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00:00:51,485\n光是一個雷達站呢你需要考慮到的就是有氣象的部分嘛然後還有其他種種的資訊甚至是連去這個地方的交通等等都需要去討論那我想知道就是其實在法令之外您能不能夠借用這個這個備詢的時間喔告訴我們一下說\n\n4\n00:00:55,126 --> 00:01:08,443\n法令如何來整備跨部會的協助又或者是在法令之餘你們已經又做了什麼樣的精進作為讓我們可以更知道說其實現在政府對於災害防救已經到什麼樣的程度\n\n5\n00:01:09,312 --> 00:01:28,064\n好謝謝委員我想因為我們現在的災防法的架構是把災害類別分給部會那但是我們有很多的災害必須是由目的事業主管機關來合作比如說剛剛委員提到像氣象站氣象站是由交通部來負責\n\n6\n00:01:29,405 --> 00:01:45,612\n氣象的資訊在分享到各個部會尤其是經濟部有關於降雨、水利的部分還有交通部有關於公路的通阻的部分在平時事實上我們有建構EMIC的資訊系統在做情資分享\n\n7\n00:01:46,252 --> 00:02:04,104\n那如果是在應變中心開設的期間的話各部會的同仁都會到應變中心來做報告所以這個部分的資訊分享目前跟委員報告在國內我們算是國際上很有效率而且在執行這個所謂的災害情勢分享上面很有\n\n8\n00:02:06,015 --> 00:02:32,794\n那現在比較需要強化的部分主要就是在目的世界主管機關對於特定災害的防護那必須要再去做大幅度的一個精進比如說我們最近在關注海嘯的問題我想委員應該也有在媒體上看到所以沿海所有的設施的主管機關應該要針對海嘯來對這個部分去做一些準備跟防護\n\n9\n00:02:33,474 --> 00:02:59,046\n那雖然海嘯目前在災防法的主管機關是由內政部來做主導但是內政部在海邊的設施大概只有警消的部分的設施那牽涉到漁港牽涉到海巡牽涉到其他單位這可能就要來通力合作好那我完全了解啦也藉著這個次長你現在的回答讓更多人可以理解說我們光是一個氣象站這樣子的一個維運\n\n10\n00:03:00,166 --> 00:03:13,915\n其實就牽涉到了非常多的面向那我是認為從我現在能夠得到的資料來看的話其實我們目前對他的維護主要是還是在這個資訊的部分多著重於對於這個\n\n11\n00:03:15,777 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00:05:55,643\n因為這個氣象的變化他很快那我們當時傳達到新北市的災因變中心他們也了解到有這樣的一個情形那到區公所的時候呢因為這個氣象條件的變化區公所他的因應能力是有限的所以當時在降雨的這個過程裡面區公所其實最主要他要通知民眾就是說在撤離的部分在這個疏散的部分那其他有關於比如說財務的部分你們就沒有辦法\n\n18\n00:05:57,584 --> 00:06:20,442\n因為跟委報災後的部分也牽涉到包括經濟部在水利單位的一個復舊還有就是我們在道路的部分還包括農業部跟我們國土署所以它是一個跨部會的工作那目前那也是災害的復舊的部分期前的這個災害防治的部分是內政部可以統籌嘛跨部會但內政部統籌那防舊的部分呢防治的不是防治就是後面復舊的部分呢\n\n19\n00:06:24,646 --> 00:06:42,364\n復舊部分目前我們在行政院是交給公共工程委員會去做災後重建的總體的一個統籌的工作那內政部我們是對特定的災害類別我們有做災害類別的整個災害防救業務計畫的一個統籌那法令是我們主管所以分工上是有這樣的一個架構\n\n20\n00:06:42,884 --> 00:07:02,024\n所以我也是覺得今天雖然我們是在討論法律的建構啦但是我個人比較在意的還是怎麼把事情做出來不管是事前的防治還是事後的復舊的部分那這中間牽涉到真的是太多跨部會的部分我希望在討論的時候呢其實這個內政部可以把實務的案件就像我們今天這樣討論出來你剛剛其實點到了一個點喔我們就是\n\n21\n00:07:05,187 --> 00:07:26,875\n區公所的能力可能略嫌不足我們現在不是要苛責區公所反而是那以內政部這樣子的體系下去你有沒有能夠再賦權給區公所更多的量能去協助處理才可以下一次災害發生的時候你不用講出這句話嘛啊我什麼什麼都通知了但也許區公所量能不足那我覺得這個就是一個很可以改進的地方嘛\n\n22\n00:07:27,472 --> 00:07:56,522\n市長區公所目前在消防署我們有一個專案的計畫在協助區公所建立防災協作中心那也協助區公所在強化他們在志工這方面的工作那事實上過去我們是既有計畫還是新增計畫是既有計畫所以預算不會受到影響預算目前應該是應該是沒有對應該是沒有預算是因為他是既有的如果我要再加重更多的新技能也許就會受到影響了\n\n23\n00:07:57,837 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災後的部分也牽涉到包括經濟部在水利單位的一個復舊還有就是我們在道路的部分還包括農業部跟我們國土署所以它是一個跨部會的工作那目前 那也是災害的復舊的部分期前的這個災害防治的部分是內政部可以統籌嘛跨部會 但內政部統籌那防舊的部分呢 防治的 不是防治就是後面復舊的部分呢\n384646\t402364\t復舊部分目前我們在行政院是交給公共工程委員會去做災後重建的總體的一個統籌的工作那內政部我們是對特定的災害類別我們有做災害類別的整個災害防救業務計畫的一個統籌那法令是我們主管所以分工上是有這樣的一個架構\n402884\t422024\t所以我也是覺得今天雖然我們是在討論法律的建構啦但是我個人比較在意的還是怎麼把事情做出來不管是事前的防治還是事後的復舊的部分那這中間牽涉到真的是太多跨部會的部分我希望在討論的時候呢其實這個內政部可以把實務的案件就像我們今天這樣討論出來你剛剛其實點到了一個點喔我們就是\n425187\t446875\t區公所的能力可能略嫌不足我們現在不是要苛責區公所反而是那以內政部這樣子的體系下去你有沒有能夠再賦權給區公所更多的量能去協助處理才可以下一次災害發生的時候你不用講出這句話嘛啊我什麼什麼都通知了但也許區公所量能不足那我覺得這個就是一個很可以改進的地方嘛\n447472\t476522\t市長區公所目前在消防署我們有一個專案的計畫在協助區公所建立防災協作中心那也協助區公所在強化他們在志工這方面的工作那事實上過去我們是既有計畫還是新增計畫是既有計畫所以預算不會受到影響預算目前應該是應該是沒有對應該是沒有預算是因為他是既有的如果我要再加重更多的新技能也許就會受到影響了\n477837\t483068\t對 如果是要訓練的話可能預算的部分就要去做追加好吧 那我就問到這裡了話就說到這裡\n","txt":"謝謝主席喔 不好意思那我們請馬次長好 請馬次長\n好 市長好那我們今天其實要處理的這個是災害防救法那我是認為啦其實法令在怎麼完備它其實還是有非常多的執行細節需要來討論那比如說我自己啊我們在這個新北市當中其實就有很多的地方它就是有設有這種在勘測災害的這種雷達像我們上次有去看的這個是五分山的雷達站\n光是一個雷達站呢你需要考慮到的就是有氣象的部分嘛然後還有其他種種的資訊甚至是連去這個地方的交通等等都需要去討論那我想知道就是其實在法令之外您能不能夠借用這個這個備詢的時間喔告訴我們一下說\n法令如何來整備跨部會的協助又或者是在法令之餘你們已經又做了什麼樣的精進作為讓我們可以更知道說其實現在政府對於災害防救已經到什麼樣的程度\n好謝謝委員我想因為我們現在的災防法的架構是把災害類別分給部會那但是我們有很多的災害必須是由目的事業主管機關來合作比如說剛剛委員提到像氣象站氣象站是由交通部來負責\n氣象的資訊在分享到各個部會尤其是經濟部有關於降雨、水利的部分還有交通部有關於公路的通阻的部分在平時事實上我們有建構EMIC的資訊系統在做情資分享\n那如果是在應變中心開設的期間的話各部會的同仁都會到應變中心來做報告所以這個部分的資訊分享目前跟委員報告在國內我們算是國際上很有效率而且在執行這個所謂的災害情勢分享上面很有\n那現在比較需要強化的部分主要就是在目的世界主管機關對於特定災害的防護那必須要再去做大幅度的一個精進比如說我們最近在關注海嘯的問題我想委員應該也有在媒體上看到所以沿海所有的設施的主管機關應該要針對海嘯來對這個部分去做一些準備跟防護\n那雖然海嘯目前在災防法的主管機關是由內政部來做主導但是內政部在海邊的設施大概只有警消的部分的設施那牽涉到漁港牽涉到海巡牽涉到其他單位這可能就要來通力合作好那我完全了解啦也藉著這個次長你現在的回答讓更多人可以理解說我們光是一個氣象站這樣子的一個維運\n其實就牽涉到了非常多的面向那我是認為從我現在能夠得到的資料來看的話其實我們目前對他的維護主要是還是在這個資訊的部分多著重於對於這個\n氣象觀測網的妥善維護多著重於雷達本身和監測資料的品質通訊軟體的暢通這個部分就是您剛剛說的部分那我現在想要強調的部分其實就是我自己在日常的這種會刊經驗當中也可以很清楚\n氣象站是一件事情嘛這是剛剛我們說的那聯外道路這就是剛剛需要交通的部分也希望可以到時候提出更多的你們怎麼去維護這個部分以至於讓氣象站的被使用率維護不是只有那個站體的本身而是包括整個區域範圍這是一個\n不過我現在想類似的例子但跳開氣象戰的這個部分我是覺得比如說像我們那個去年山陀兒颱風啦山陀兒颱風其實造成了像新北市的金山地區就損害非常非常的嚴重那我不曉得這個當時在氣象戰的\n使用資訊上面第一有沒有能夠直接到達該地地區對它的災害市井能夠有更多的提示這是第一個我的問題因為我們金山已經很久沒有淹水了而那一天在最低窪處的老街甚至是超過腰部的淹水而且是商業範圍所以非常的損害嚴重這第一個第二個那地方雖然它快速的復舊了之後其實你去看金山\n外區外圍地方的連外道路也就是山間的農作道路產業道路等等其實到現在是還沒有修復完成我知道國土署這邊也有盡力去修復了但事實上還沒有完成所以對於大家的產業其實危害也很大這部分就是我剛剛一開始提的跨部會的部分那不曉得你們這邊對於時程對這個案件有瞭解嗎對於時程有掌握嗎還沒有可以更快更精進的做法\n因為金山當時的那個灘災我也有跟委員一起到現場那當天我們可以看得到就是說因為颱風過境之後它的那個氣象條件忽然變得很惡劣所以這個資訊我們是有透過應變中心的系統傳達到因為你剛剛講的其實是蠻好的就是說我們系統都很好可是事實上大概就是來不及啊\n因為這個氣象的變化他很快那我們當時傳達到新北市的災因變中心他們也了解到有這樣的一個情形那到區公所的時候呢因為這個氣象條件的變化區公所他的因應能力是有限的所以當時在降雨的這個過程裡面區公所其實最主要他要通知民眾就是說在撤離的部分在這個疏散的部分那其他有關於比如說財務的部分你們就沒有辦法\n因為跟委報 災後的部分也牽涉到包括經濟部在水利單位的一個復舊還有就是我們在道路的部分還包括農業部跟我們國土署所以它是一個跨部會的工作那目前 那也是災害的復舊的部分期前的這個災害防治的部分是內政部可以統籌嘛跨部會 但內政部統籌那防舊的部分呢 防治的 不是防治就是後面復舊的部分呢\n復舊部分目前我們在行政院是交給公共工程委員會去做災後重建的總體的一個統籌的工作那內政部我們是對特定的災害類別我們有做災害類別的整個災害防救業務計畫的一個統籌那法令是我們主管所以分工上是有這樣的一個架構\n所以我也是覺得今天雖然我們是在討論法律的建構啦但是我個人比較在意的還是怎麼把事情做出來不管是事前的防治還是事後的復舊的部分那這中間牽涉到真的是太多跨部會的部分我希望在討論的時候呢其實這個內政部可以把實務的案件就像我們今天這樣討論出來你剛剛其實點到了一個點喔我們就是\n區公所的能力可能略嫌不足我們現在不是要苛責區公所反而是那以內政部這樣子的體系下去你有沒有能夠再賦權給區公所更多的量能去協助處理才可以下一次災害發生的時候你不用講出這句話嘛啊我什麼什麼都通知了但也許區公所量能不足那我覺得這個就是一個很可以改進的地方嘛\n市長區公所目前在消防署我們有一個專案的計畫在協助區公所建立防災協作中心那也協助區公所在強化他們在志工這方面的工作那事實上過去我們是既有計畫還是新增計畫是既有計畫所以預算不會受到影響預算目前應該是應該是沒有對應該是沒有預算是因為他是既有的如果我要再加重更多的新技能也許就會受到影響了\n對 如果是要訓練的話可能預算的部分就要去做追加好吧 那我就問到這裡了話就說到這裡\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.551 --> 00:03.039\n謝謝主席喔不好意思那我們請馬次長好請馬次長\n\n00:11.436 --> 00:35.161\n好市長好那我們今天其實要處理的這個是災害防救法那我是認為啦其實法令在怎麼完備它其實還是有非常多的執行細節需要來討論那比如說我自己啊我們在這個新北市當中其實就有很多的地方它就是有設有這種在勘測災害的這種雷達像我們上次有去看的這個是五分山的雷達站\n\n00:36.081 --> 00:51.485\n光是一個雷達站呢你需要考慮到的就是有氣象的部分嘛然後還有其他種種的資訊甚至是連去這個地方的交通等等都需要去討論那我想知道就是其實在法令之外您能不能夠借用這個這個備詢的時間喔告訴我們一下說\n\n00:55.126 --> 01:08.443\n法令如何來整備跨部會的協助又或者是在法令之餘你們已經又做了什麼樣的精進作為讓我們可以更知道說其實現在政府對於災害防救已經到什麼樣的程度\n\n01:09.312 --> 01:28.064\n好謝謝委員我想因為我們現在的災防法的架構是把災害類別分給部會那但是我們有很多的災害必須是由目的事業主管機關來合作比如說剛剛委員提到像氣象站氣象站是由交通部來負責\n\n01:29.405 --> 01:45.612\n氣象的資訊在分享到各個部會尤其是經濟部有關於降雨、水利的部分還有交通部有關於公路的通阻的部分在平時事實上我們有建構EMIC的資訊系統在做情資分享\n\n01:46.252 --> 02:04.104\n那如果是在應變中心開設的期間的話各部會的同仁都會到應變中心來做報告所以這個部分的資訊分享目前跟委員報告在國內我們算是國際上很有效率而且在執行這個所謂的災害情勢分享上面很有\n\n02:06.015 --> 02:32.794\n那現在比較需要強化的部分主要就是在目的世界主管機關對於特定災害的防護那必須要再去做大幅度的一個精進比如說我們最近在關注海嘯的問題我想委員應該也有在媒體上看到所以沿海所有的設施的主管機關應該要針對海嘯來對這個部分去做一些準備跟防護\n\n02:33.474 --> 02:59.046\n那雖然海嘯目前在災防法的主管機關是由內政部來做主導但是內政部在海邊的設施大概只有警消的部分的設施那牽涉到漁港牽涉到海巡牽涉到其他單位這可能就要來通力合作好那我完全了解啦也藉著這個次長你現在的回答讓更多人可以理解說我們光是一個氣象站這樣子的一個維運\n\n03:00.166 --> 03:13.915\n其實就牽涉到了非常多的面向那我是認為從我現在能夠得到的資料來看的話其實我們目前對他的維護主要是還是在這個資訊的部分多著重於對於這個\n\n03:15.777 --> 03:22.405\n氣象觀測網的妥善維護多著重於雷達本身和監測資料的品質通訊軟體的暢通這個部分就是您剛剛說的部分那我現在想要強調的部分其實就是我自己在日常的這種會刊經驗當中也可以很清楚\n\n03:34.100 --> 03:49.553\n氣象站是一件事情嘛這是剛剛我們說的那聯外道路這就是剛剛需要交通的部分也希望可以到時候提出更多的你們怎麼去維護這個部分以至於讓氣象站的被使用率維護不是只有那個站體的本身而是包括整個區域範圍這是一個\n\n03:51.394 --> 04:07.063\n不過我現在想類似的例子但跳開氣象戰的這個部分我是覺得比如說像我們那個去年山陀兒颱風啦山陀兒颱風其實造成了像新北市的金山地區就損害非常非常的嚴重那我不曉得這個當時在氣象戰的\n\n04:09.204 --> 04:36.187\n使用資訊上面第一有沒有能夠直接到達該地地區對它的災害市井能夠有更多的提示這是第一個我的問題因為我們金山已經很久沒有淹水了而那一天在最低窪處的老街甚至是超過腰部的淹水而且是商業範圍所以非常的損害嚴重這第一個第二個那地方雖然它快速的復舊了之後其實你去看金山\n\n04:37.168 --> 05:04.338\n外區外圍地方的連外道路也就是山間的農作道路產業道路等等其實到現在是還沒有修復完成我知道國土署這邊也有盡力去修復了但事實上還沒有完成所以對於大家的產業其實危害也很大這部分就是我剛剛一開始提的跨部會的部分那不曉得你們這邊對於時程對這個案件有瞭解嗎對於時程有掌握嗎還沒有可以更快更精進的做法\n\n05:05.577 --> 05:26.924\n因為金山當時的那個灘災我也有跟委員一起到現場那當天我們可以看得到就是說因為颱風過境之後它的那個氣象條件忽然變得很惡劣所以這個資訊我們是有透過應變中心的系統傳達到因為你剛剛講的其實是蠻好的就是說我們系統都很好可是事實上大概就是來不及啊\n\n05:27.744 --> 05:55.643\n因為這個氣象的變化他很快那我們當時傳達到新北市的災因變中心他們也了解到有這樣的一個情形那到區公所的時候呢因為這個氣象條件的變化區公所他的因應能力是有限的所以當時在降雨的這個過程裡面區公所其實最主要他要通知民眾就是說在撤離的部分在這個疏散的部分那其他有關於比如說財務的部分你們就沒有辦法\n\n05:57.584 --> 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