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00:02:04,630\n那他要不斷的去追這個進度然後張貼到底是紅單或黃單那災禍補助的部分目前全國是有一個統一的標準只是說居民被張貼了這個紅黃單之後他後續的這個處理的方式是不一樣的所以在這個部分我們可能會有一些同仁他們如果需要委員需要細部的回答的話我們是不是可以請同仁來做補充好委員好\n\n7\n00:02:08,956 --> 00:02:33,356\n那就是說我們針對這個這兩次地震我們在租金補貼或是這個耐震落成補強補貼的方面我們基本上那個金額跟機制都是一致的都是統一的統一的標準以上謝謝所以我們全國都一致不是因為專案來去補助所以說如果是這樣子的話關於就是你的回復是說\n\n8\n00:02:34,316 --> 00:02:58,219\n建議先應用善款處理不足的部分再向行政院爭取贈災基金的提供所以目前的機制範圍監督是這些善款流向還有細部的使用的情形如何我們善款流向是我們請贈災基金會因為他們是主管善款的部分\n\n9\n00:02:59,616 --> 00:03:10,963\n所以说都会达到因为时间有限所以都是达到我们是及时紧急的补助嘛这个部分就是上款的部分\n\n10\n00:03:11,801 --> 00:03:33,102\n還有申請的流程有就是說各個區因為一個地方有很多區不同剛才你說就是不同的就是一直後續的去產生所以說這樣的災民你覺得是補助是就是一致性的有公平嗎有滿足說這個災民的需要嗎\n\n11\n00:03:37,281 --> 00:03:57,557\n我們目前的作業程序這都是由村里長跟公所來合作那民眾他本身在受災的這個第一時間我們會有所謂的救助那救助的部分就是由公所跟村里長去做調查之後認定然後來發放這樣的一個救助的金額\n\n12\n00:03:58,377 --> 00:04:19,635\n是,但是我看到剛才你說因為勘查的時候是由我們的技術工會來辦理那個是針對房屋對,針對房屋還有補助,所以你剛才有講說但是說紅單跟黃單的影響居住補助的差別\n\n13\n00:04:20,515 --> 00:04:44,313\n所以請教我們市長現在的你勘察的除了就是統一表格以外會不會因為不同的機制就是認定就是有差別所以如何鎮定這種差異以免我們在乎無法是實際可以去領這個補助我們是關心的是說因為你看的是黃單跟\n\n14\n00:04:47,970 --> 00:05:01,907\n紅單但是有的黃單他們是低收或者是說有及時需要的時候你們有沒有其他的就是一個規定還有就是幫忙這個才是我們最關心的\n\n15\n00:05:03,573 --> 00:05:22,244\n我們所有的這個紅黃單的張貼他在七十天之內他會由這個所謂的三大祭祀公會來做緊急扶貧那緊急扶貧緊急評估完之後民眾還是可以跟當地政府申請扶貧\n\n16\n00:05:23,084 --> 00:05:50,712\n那目前我們在0121的這個地震都是由地方政府他現在在受理扶貧所以以這個委員所提到的就是我們的祭祀公會在對紅黃單的認定他是有一致的標準他有一致的規定那民眾如果對於這個認定他認為有疑義的話他會申請扶貧但是基本上我們都會從寬去做認定去協助民眾在災後能夠獲得最大的一個支持\n\n17\n00:05:51,392 --> 00:06:06,068\n很好所以讓我們的民眾才了解說你是用一致的標準來去勘察還有就是說我們花蓮跟我們嘉義的地震是補助也是同樣都是同一個標準這樣的話對我們在地震的地區的民眾\n\n18\n00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:15,057\n他們才會覺得是說公平是謝謝委員關係還有第二個想要去問我們就是消防署的署長關於我們就是台中新冠三月就發生七爆造成很多人死亡\n\n19\n00:06:28,249 --> 00:06:34,372\n但是除了事後追查原因責任外我們更應該重視我們公共場所的措施安全還有就是實施還有預防因為初步報告我們看到的氣爆現場不排除因為切除瓦斯管線時就是瓦斯外洩導致施工產生的氣爆但是因為瓦斯氣爆我們火災的自動警報設備\n\n20\n00:06:56,985 --> 00:06:57,588\n依據各類場所消防安全設備的\n\n21\n00:07:02,855 --> 00:07:29,402\n設置標準規定使用瓦斯是地下地下層的建築屋才需要安裝但是經過這次的七報案有沒有重新研議增加需要裝設就是偵測的場所還有是否考量我們公共建設密閉式的時候強化建設就是瓦斯外洩偵測的設備\n\n22\n00:07:31,583 --> 00:07:36,060\n有沒有這樣的一個計畫或者行政做措施\n\n23\n00:07:36,544 --> 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我們現在只要是地震發生之後我們第一個最重要的工作就是我們會請結構技師的這個工會來支援我們那去做建築物的一個災損的勘查那就是我們所謂的紅單跟黃單\n那這一次的這個嘉義大埔震災它比較特別一點是因為它不是一次地震它是很多次地震一直累積起來所以它是一個有一點慢的災害那所以在每一次的這個不斷的這樣的一個地震的過程裡面它的這個紅黃單就會變化\n那他要不斷的去追這個進度然後張貼到底是紅單或黃單那災禍補助的部分目前全國是有一個統一的標準只是說居民被張貼了這個紅黃單之後他後續的這個處理的方式是不一樣的所以在這個部分我們可能會有一些同仁他們如果需要委員需要細部的回答的話我們是不是可以請同仁來做補充好委員好\n那就是說我們針對這個這兩次地震我們在租金補貼或是這個耐震落成補強補貼的方面我們基本上那個金額跟機制都是一致的都是統一的統一的標準以上謝謝所以我們全國都一致不是因為專案來去補助所以說如果是這樣子的話關於就是你的回復是說\n建議先應用善款處理不足的部分再向行政院爭取贈災基金的提供所以目前的機制範圍監督是這些善款流向還有細部的使用的情形如何我們善款流向是我們請贈災基金會因為他們是主管善款的部分\n所以说都会达到因为时间有限所以都是达到我们是及时紧急的补助嘛这个部分就是上款的部分\n還有申請的流程有就是說各個區因為一個地方有很多區不同剛才你說就是不同的就是一直後續的去產生所以說這樣的災民你覺得是補助是就是一致性的有公平嗎有滿足說這個災民的需要嗎\n我們目前的作業程序這都是由村里長跟公所來合作那民眾他本身在受災的這個第一時間我們會有所謂的救助那救助的部分就是由公所跟村里長去做調查之後認定然後來發放這樣的一個救助的金額\n是,但是我看到剛才你說因為勘查的時候是由我們的技術工會來辦理那個是針對房屋對,針對房屋還有補助,所以你剛才有講說但是說紅單跟黃單的影響居住補助的差別\n所以請教我們市長現在的你勘察的除了就是統一表格以外會不會因為不同的機制就是認定就是有差別所以如何鎮定這種差異以免我們在乎無法是實際可以去領這個補助我們是關心的是說因為你看的是黃單跟\n紅單但是有的黃單他們是低收或者是說有及時需要的時候你們有沒有其他的就是一個規定還有就是幫忙這個才是我們最關心的\n我們所有的這個紅黃單的張貼他在七十天之內他會由這個所謂的三大祭祀公會來做緊急扶貧那緊急扶貧 緊急評估完之後民眾還是可以跟當地政府申請扶貧\n那目前我們在0121的這個地震都是由地方政府他現在在受理扶貧所以以這個委員所提到的就是我們的祭祀公會在對紅黃單的認定他是有一致的標準他有一致的規定那民眾如果對於這個認定他認為有疑義的話他會申請扶貧但是基本上我們都會從寬去做認定去協助民眾在災後能夠獲得最大的一個支持\n很好所以讓我們的民眾才了解說你是用一致的標準來去勘察還有就是說我們花蓮跟我們嘉義的地震是補助也是同樣都是同一個標準這樣的話對我們在地震的地區的民眾\n他們才會覺得是說公平是 謝謝委員關係還有第二個想要去問我們就是消防署的署長關於我們就是台中新冠三月就發生七爆造成很多人死亡\n但是除了事後追查原因責任外我們更應該重視我們公共場所的措施安全還有就是實施還有預防因為初步報告我們看到的氣爆現場不排除因為切除瓦斯管線時就是瓦斯外洩導致施工產生的氣爆但是因為瓦斯氣爆我們火災的自動警報設備\n依據各類場所消防安全設備的\n設置標準規定使用瓦斯是地下地下層的建築屋才需要安裝但是經過這次的七報案有沒有重新研議增加需要裝設就是偵測的場所還有是否考量我們公共建設密閉式的時候強化建設就是瓦斯外洩偵測的設備\n有沒有這樣的一個計畫或者行政做措施\n好感謝委員垂詢新光三越這個場所因為是屬於賣場所以它本身就有天然氣使用也有裝置設備偵測設備那只不過說因為施工過程當中它沒有把這個設備維護正常使用功能造成天然氣漏氣沒辦法偵測到這個簡報的一個問題所以針對這個設備不能使用台中市也針對不能使用的狀況開放\n那對於施工中的防火管理沒有施作也有做開發的動作跟委員做報告所以針對這樣的規定我們是說要求是地下設的建物現在的話我們的建築都有這樣的設備的要求\n所以這樣的話我們是因為在過程中我們要如何讓說嚴格再去把關因為現在跟以前不一樣以前這是我們是樓層現在都是高樓所以說這些的建設或者是說我們要遵守就安全的標準還有我們的承包商我們的罰款也是要這個也是行我們的署長\n這邊要去把關希望我們就是就是在關於這個危險物還有高風險這個部分我們要多多用心所以說希望我們的安全的部分和我們的署長這邊希望大家共同來去達到最更好的所以剛才你回答這個部分我希望說我們的高樓還有我們地方都要去\n把這樣子的標準來去做好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.737 --> 00:03.678\n請教一下我們處在地震就是常常地震的我們的台灣在從90\n\n00:23.066 --> 00:31.775\n921地震之後我們開始特別注重災後重建還有建築的安全針對目前0121嘉義大埔的地震災後的補助請教次長不同的類型的災險護研就像說拆除重建\n\n00:45.435 --> 00:46.817\n補強啊修善還有合法補助時依據標準是緊急性的重建性還是會考量說我們的災民的經濟狀況呢\n\n00:58.632 --> 01:17.791\n要如何去補助的如何去修繕報委我們現在只要是地震發生之後我們第一個最重要的工作就是我們會請結構技師的這個工會來支援我們那去做建築物的一個災損的勘查那就是我們所謂的紅單跟黃單\n\n01:19.412 --> 01:36.818\n那這一次的這個嘉義大埔震災它比較特別一點是因為它不是一次地震它是很多次地震一直累積起來所以它是一個有一點慢的災害那所以在每一次的這個不斷的這樣的一個地震的過程裡面它的這個紅黃單就會變化\n\n01:38.999 --> 02:04.630\n那他要不斷的去追這個進度然後張貼到底是紅單或黃單那災禍補助的部分目前全國是有一個統一的標準只是說居民被張貼了這個紅黃單之後他後續的這個處理的方式是不一樣的所以在這個部分我們可能會有一些同仁他們如果需要委員需要細部的回答的話我們是不是可以請同仁來做補充好委員好\n\n02:08.956 --> 02:33.356\n那就是說我們針對這個這兩次地震我們在租金補貼或是這個耐震落成補強補貼的方面我們基本上那個金額跟機制都是一致的都是統一的統一的標準以上謝謝所以我們全國都一致不是因為專案來去補助所以說如果是這樣子的話關於就是你的回復是說\n\n02:34.316 --> 02:58.219\n建議先應用善款處理不足的部分再向行政院爭取贈災基金的提供所以目前的機制範圍監督是這些善款流向還有細部的使用的情形如何我們善款流向是我們請贈災基金會因為他們是主管善款的部分\n\n02:59.616 --> 03:10.963\n所以说都会达到因为时间有限所以都是达到我们是及时紧急的补助嘛这个部分就是上款的部分\n\n03:11.801 --> 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