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00:00:04,228\n謝謝主席這個馬市長有請好請馬市長委員早安市長早安這個本席一直都非常關心這個倉儲的防火這個的部分當然今天討論災害防救法當然文字上的一些修正跟微調還有一些精神的加強這本席都競表支持希望審議的過程可以順利那\n\n2\n00:00:25,204 --> 00:00:46,851\n但是討論法條我覺得不如好好去看一看我們的災害防救的白皮書並且跟本席一直都關心的倉儲的防災的部分來做一個討論這113年的災害防救的白皮書有針對工廠的安全統合管理機制有提很多的對策比如說盤查管理、查核、演練等等這都是題中應有之議\n\n3\n00:00:48,351 --> 00:01:09,086\n那這個113年的8月21日這個陳金德政委也有主持跟倉儲有關因為倉儲其實有討論了一段時間就是說要強化倉儲業者的危險物品管理延商所以說有把危險物品拉出來不管是不是存放在工廠的廠區之內但是倉庫或寄存只要是危險物品的時候它應該就要有所謂的依法\n\n4\n00:01:09,646 --> 00:01:28,351\n申報的這樣子一個一個程序但大體來講他還是附屬在工廠下面的嘛也就工廠如果有危險物品的管理原料他如果倉儲他要申報的那再加上我們去年通過的這個消防法的修正案也有把一定規模以上的倉儲納管但那個討論的是火災發生的時候這個消防救災的資訊權的確保\n\n5\n00:01:29,651 --> 00:01:54,930\n所以他其實有一點點的進度但我還是要繼續往前來追蹤這個題目因為我相信以目前這樣子的一個防守的強度大概還是很難杜絕所有倉儲的這個火災這個我就先請教一下這個次長這個倉儲跟工廠的類型是不是一樣?包圍是不同的應該是不同的對不對這我也不用問經濟部其實是非常清楚的從防災的角度來講他也是不一樣的那現在以\n\n6\n00:01:56,132 --> 00:02:22,679\n你你從防災主觀的這樣子一個角度來出發啦齁如果說倉儲只存放一般物品有沒有必要要擴大納管或者是要怎麼樣來納管有沒有討論過這樣的事情呃鮑委員倉儲基本上他還是要基本的消防安全設備對那麼如果他儲存的不是所謂的危險物品的話那麼他還是需要在呃我們的資訊介入權上面要告訴我們他裡面所儲存的內容是什麼因為他還是會有火災的風險\n\n7\n00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:36,822\n還是有火災的風險嘛但我們的消防法只能目前只能規範到就是說發生火災之後你要提供相關資訊嘛對不對可是平日的平日的防火和盤查跟檢查等等的這樣一個機制目前有沒有一個規章來做規範\n\n8\n00:02:38,978 --> 00:03:07,640\n我們目前是想要修請這個工廠輔導法裡面去處理這個問題理論上來講規範倉儲應該說規範相關防火的過去大家的重點都放在工廠所以是從工廠管理輔導法裡面來處理但剛剛我們也討論到其實工廠跟倉儲有一些本質上的差別那就造成一件事情就是工廠管理輔導法有規範很多跟防火相關的事情讓你的災害防救有辦法順利的進行可是倉儲沒有它等於是有點像漏網之魚這是第一個狀況\n\n9\n00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:32,898\n第二個狀況是即便現在的狀況是講說我工廠附屬的危險物品你是用倉儲的方式處理的時候你要納管但我那天跟基層的消防弟兄座談跟了解的時候他們提了一個問題很好我如果單純只是販賣危險物品因為產業鏈嘛我如果是進口外國進口商我進口一批化學藥劑它是屬於的危險物品但是我只是代理進口而已啊然後我進口之後我就放到了其中一個倉儲請問這樣的狀況是有沒有要申報的\n\n10\n00:03:36,419 --> 00:04:02,120\n鮑偉如果說他達到儲存管制量30倍以上那他基本上就要申報我們也要聯合稽查對但是問題是我這我就跟市長我們的認知可能就出現一點差別就我們的了解是基於工廠管理輔導法等等相關的延伸規定跟你災害防救規定所以是工廠端去處理這個事可是我剛剛講是進口喔我只是進過來然後找時間把它賣掉這個其實就我本期的了解從消防第一線的反應是他反而是找不到的\n\n11\n00:04:03,035 --> 00:04:18,913\n因為他沒有在這個守備範圍裡面所以這就是本期要提這個職權原因就從你的宅在房就白皮書裡面我希望齁這個針對倉儲的部分有進一步的進一步的討論啦我們當然一步到位就是說要全面納管或什麼當然很快然後也會造成一定的衝擊這本期完全理解\n\n12\n00:04:19,373 --> 00:04:32,211\n但是我覺得如果只做到資訊權是不夠的換言之我們要針對工廠管理輔導法要做進一步的討論現在內政部針對工廠管理輔導法如果要納緩倉儲或者是強化他的防火設備你們現在有什麼具體的規劃跟進度跟經濟部對話有沒有什麼具體的成果\n\n13\n00:04:36,308 --> 00:04:51,503\n跟委員報告因為這個部分當然剛剛委員有提到就是說行政院目前有政委在協調這件事情那如果說以消防署或是內政部的角度來看的話我們現在目前第一優先的是要去處理所謂的公共危險物品的倉庫\n\n14\n00:04:52,564 --> 00:05:10,104\n因為這個部分對於我們救災人員的威脅是最大的所以我們目前大概在地方政府回報我們總共納管了142家那這個不同的縣市政府有它的數字那這些都是我們在工廠之外的公共危險物品倉庫我們現在都已經納管\n\n15\n00:05:12,290 --> 00:05:33,354\n對有沒有包含進口的市長你可以回去了解一下啦就本期的了解是進口比如說代理我只是專門進那個是漏網之魚這個我覺得立刻要處理如果可以有一套規章可以納管來做納管那第二個我還是希望未來工廠管理輔導法要有一定的修正跟考量倉儲跟工廠當然不一樣比如說工廠我們是用防火區劃的邏輯來規劃來做災害的預防\n\n16\n00:05:37,375 --> 00:06:00,766\n那當然你用倉儲你要求他用比照工廠用防火區法可能他就有實際上的困難因為他就對於倉儲的容量等等造成一些影響因為他也沒有產線沒有人啊對不對所以他有不同的說法那你們自己建築研究所其實也做過研究嘛也就是物流倉儲建築設置防火區法的方案研究裡面其實就有提到好像沒有辦法一體適用但是他們有提一個新的概念比如說有淨空隔離帶啊我只要讓區域\n\n17\n00:06:01,886 --> 00:06:22,279\n拉的夠開那你這個隔離帶剛好可以做比如說倉儲的這個運輸的一個動線等等那我覺得這表示你們其實有在做一些研究的那既然你們已經有針對倉儲的防火相關的一些規範已經有在做研究我就希望未來可以進到下一步的討論我們消防法只是第一步嘛工廠管理輔導法它可能不見得你要嘛就有個倉儲的專法嘛\n\n18\n00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:37,553\n要嘛就是也許在工廠管理輔導法裡面有一個倉促的專章在平常的時候他就要有納管跟防災的這樣的一些配套的機制這樣子的一個想法你們內政部打算有沒有執行的一個時間表或者說你有遇到一些阻力或難題\n\n19\n00:06:38,755 --> 00:07:01,753\n跟委員報告我們目前在剛剛委員提到就是說包括建研所他們所做的這些研究我們會把這些資訊再跟經濟部去做分享那至於說對倉儲業者或者是倉儲的納管我們目前除了消防法之外那就是我們跟經濟部在公服法這塊我們會去討論但是時間表的部分跟委員報告目前我這邊所知是還沒有\n\n20\n00:07:02,504 --> 00:07:21,269\n我希望這部分稍微可以明確一點啦所以簡單就做個結論啦第一個就是說現在你針對既有危險物品的納管我希望你再進口這一端啦也就是說它非工廠生產出來的而是進口販賣的這一端它的倉儲的部分你要有一個專案的配套計畫那第二個我希望把\n\n21\n00:07:22,801 --> 00:07:41,159\n這個工廠管理服務法的修正你要提到有具體的一些做法比如說你有哪些條文要修正你至少內政部從防災的這個地方來出發你總可以有一些主張嘛那經濟部有哪些反應你如果沒有一些條文或者是沒有一些內容的話恐怕有困難這一點我希望喔我給這個次長一個月的時間啦\n\n22\n00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:52,930\n好做一下相關的一些規範比如說你們對話了幾次開了哪些會議目前遇到的狀況是怎麼樣修法預計的期程是什麼這讓本席一個月之內有書面資料可以掌握可以嗎好我們提供資料給委員好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n725\t4228\t謝謝主席這個馬市長有請好請馬市長委員早安市長早安這個本席一直都非常關心這個倉儲的防火這個的部分當然今天討論災害防救法當然文字上的一些修正跟微調還有一些精神的加強這本席都競表支持希望審議的過程可以順利那\n25204\t46851\t但是討論法條我覺得不如好好去看一看我們的災害防救的白皮書並且跟本席一直都關心的倉儲的防災的部分來做一個討論這113年的災害防救的白皮書有針對工廠的安全統合管理機制有提很多的對策比如說盤查管理、查核、演練等等這都是題中應有之議\n48351\t69086\t那這個113年的8月21日這個陳金德政委也有主持跟倉儲有關因為倉儲其實有討論了一段時間就是說要強化倉儲業者的危險物品管理延商所以說有把危險物品拉出來不管是不是存放在工廠的廠區之內但是倉庫或寄存只要是危險物品的時候它應該就要有所謂的依法\n69646\t88351\t申報的這樣子一個一個程序但大體來講他還是附屬在工廠下面的嘛也就工廠如果有危險物品的管理原料他如果倉儲他要申報的那再加上我們去年通過的這個消防法的修正案也有把一定規模以上的倉儲納管但那個討論的是火災發生的時候這個消防救災的資訊權的確保\n89651\t114930\t所以他其實有一點點的進度但我還是要繼續往前來追蹤這個題目因為我相信以目前這樣子的一個防守的強度大概還是很難杜絕所有倉儲的這個火災這個我就先請教一下這個次長這個倉儲跟工廠的類型是不是一樣?包圍是不同的應該是不同的對不對這我也不用問經濟部其實是非常清楚的從防災的角度來講他也是不一樣的那現在以\n116132\t142679\t你你從防災主觀的這樣子一個角度來出發啦齁如果說倉儲只存放一般物品有沒有必要要擴大納管或者是要怎麼樣來納管有沒有討論過這樣的事情呃 鮑委員倉儲基本上他還是要基本的消防安全設備對那麼如果他儲存的不是所謂的危險物品的話那麼他還是需要在呃 我們的資訊介入權上面要告訴我們他裡面所儲存的內容是什麼因為他還是會有火災的風險\n143479\t156822\t還是有火災的風險嘛但我們的消防法只能目前只能規範到就是說發生火災之後你要提供相關資訊嘛對不對可是平日的平日的防火和盤查跟檢查等等的這樣一個機制目前有沒有一個規章來做規範\n158978\t187640\t我們目前是想要修請這個工廠輔導法裡面去處理這個問題理論上來講規範倉儲應該說規範相關防火的過去大家的重點都放在工廠所以是從工廠管理輔導法裡面來處理但剛剛我們也討論到其實工廠跟倉儲有一些本質上的差別那就造成一件事情就是工廠管理輔導法有規範很多跟防火相關的事情讓你的災害防救有辦法順利的進行可是倉儲沒有它等於是有點像漏網之魚這是第一個狀況\n188280\t212898\t第二個狀況是即便現在的狀況是講說我工廠附屬的危險物品你是用倉儲的方式處理的時候你要納管但我那天跟基層的消防弟兄座談跟了解的時候他們提了一個問題很好我如果單純只是販賣危險物品因為產業鏈嘛我如果是進口外國進口商我進口一批化學藥劑它是屬於的危險物品但是我只是代理進口而已啊然後我進口之後我就放到了其中一個倉儲請問這樣的狀況是有沒有要申報的\n216419\t242120\t鮑偉如果說他達到儲存管制量30倍以上那他基本上就要申報我們也要聯合稽查對但是問題是我這我就跟市長我們的認知可能就出現一點差別就我們的了解是基於工廠管理輔導法等等相關的延伸規定跟你災害防救規定所以是工廠端去處理這個事可是我剛剛講是進口喔我只是進過來然後找時間把它賣掉這個其實就我本期的了解從消防第一線的反應是他反而是找不到的\n243035\t258913\t因為他沒有在這個守備範圍裡面所以這就是本期要提這個職權原因就從你的宅在房就白皮書裡面我希望齁這個針對倉儲的部分有進一步的進一步的討論啦我們當然一步到位就是說要全面納管或什麼當然很快然後也會造成一定的衝擊這本期完全理解\n259373\t272211\t但是我覺得如果只做到資訊權是不夠的換言之我們要針對工廠管理輔導法要做進一步的討論現在內政部針對工廠管理輔導法如果要納緩倉儲或者是強化他的防火設備你們現在有什麼具體的規劃跟進度跟經濟部對話有沒有什麼具體的成果\n276308\t291503\t跟委員報告因為這個部分當然剛剛委員有提到就是說行政院目前有政委在協調這件事情那如果說以消防署或是內政部的角度來看的話我們現在目前第一優先的是要去處理所謂的公共危險物品的倉庫\n292564\t310104\t因為這個部分對於我們救災人員的威脅是最大的所以我們目前大概在地方政府回報我們總共納管了142家那這個不同的縣市政府有它的數字那這些都是我們在工廠之外的公共危險物品倉庫我們現在都已經納管\n312290\t333354\t對 有沒有包含進口的市長你可以回去了解一下啦就本期的了解是進口比如說代理我只是專門進那個是漏網之魚這個我覺得立刻要處理如果可以有一套規章可以納管來做納管那第二個我還是希望未來工廠管理輔導法要有一定的修正跟考量倉儲跟工廠當然不一樣比如說工廠我們是用防火區劃的邏輯來規劃來做災害的預防\n337375\t360766\t那當然你用倉儲你要求他用比照工廠用防火區法可能他就有實際上的困難因為他就對於倉儲的容量等等造成一些影響因為他也沒有產線沒有人啊對不對所以他有不同的說法那你們自己建築研究所其實也做過研究嘛也就是物流倉儲建築設置防火區法的方案研究裡面其實就有提到好像沒有辦法一體適用但是他們有提一個新的概念比如說有淨空隔離帶啊我只要讓區域\n361886\t382279\t拉的夠開那你這個隔離帶剛好可以做比如說倉儲的這個運輸的一個動線等等那我覺得這表示你們其實有在做一些研究的那既然你們已經有針對倉儲的防火相關的一些規範已經有在做研究我就希望未來可以進到下一步的討論我們消防法只是第一步嘛工廠管理輔導法它可能不見得你要嘛就有個倉儲的專法嘛\n383280\t397553\t要嘛就是也許在工廠管理輔導法裡面有一個倉促的專章在平常的時候他就要有納管跟防災的這樣的一些配套的機制這樣子的一個想法你們內政部打算有沒有執行的一個時間表或者說你有遇到一些阻力或難題\n398755\t421753\t跟委員報告 我們目前在 剛剛委員提到就是說包括建研所他們所做的這些研究我們會把這些資訊再跟經濟部去做分享那至於說對倉儲業者 或者是倉儲的納管我們目前除了消防法之外那就是我們跟經濟部在公服法這塊 我們會去討論但是時間表的部分跟委員報告 目前我這邊所知是還沒有\n422504\t441269\t我希望這部分稍微可以明確一點啦所以簡單就做個結論啦第一個就是說現在你針對既有危險物品的納管我希望你再進口這一端啦也就是說它非工廠生產出來的而是進口販賣的這一端它的倉儲的部分你要有一個專案的配套計畫那第二個我希望把\n442801\t461159\t這個工廠管理服務法的修正你要提到有具體的一些做法比如說你有哪些條文要修正你至少內政部從防災的這個地方來出發你總可以有一些主張嘛那經濟部有哪些反應你如果沒有一些條文或者是沒有一些內容的話恐怕有困難這一點我希望喔我給這個次長一個月的時間啦\n461980\t472930\t好 做一下相關的一些規範比如說你們對話了幾次開了哪些會議目前遇到的狀況是怎麼樣修法預計的期程是什麼這讓本席一個月之內有書面資料可以掌握可以嗎好 我們提供資料給委員好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席這個馬市長有請好請馬市長委員早安市長早安這個本席一直都非常關心這個倉儲的防火這個的部分當然今天討論災害防救法當然文字上的一些修正跟微調還有一些精神的加強這本席都競表支持希望審議的過程可以順利那\n但是討論法條我覺得不如好好去看一看我們的災害防救的白皮書並且跟本席一直都關心的倉儲的防災的部分來做一個討論這113年的災害防救的白皮書有針對工廠的安全統合管理機制有提很多的對策比如說盤查管理、查核、演練等等這都是題中應有之議\n那這個113年的8月21日這個陳金德政委也有主持跟倉儲有關因為倉儲其實有討論了一段時間就是說要強化倉儲業者的危險物品管理延商所以說有把危險物品拉出來不管是不是存放在工廠的廠區之內但是倉庫或寄存只要是危險物品的時候它應該就要有所謂的依法\n申報的這樣子一個一個程序但大體來講他還是附屬在工廠下面的嘛也就工廠如果有危險物品的管理原料他如果倉儲他要申報的那再加上我們去年通過的這個消防法的修正案也有把一定規模以上的倉儲納管但那個討論的是火災發生的時候這個消防救災的資訊權的確保\n所以他其實有一點點的進度但我還是要繼續往前來追蹤這個題目因為我相信以目前這樣子的一個防守的強度大概還是很難杜絕所有倉儲的這個火災這個我就先請教一下這個次長這個倉儲跟工廠的類型是不是一樣?包圍是不同的應該是不同的對不對這我也不用問經濟部其實是非常清楚的從防災的角度來講他也是不一樣的那現在以\n你你從防災主觀的這樣子一個角度來出發啦齁如果說倉儲只存放一般物品有沒有必要要擴大納管或者是要怎麼樣來納管有沒有討論過這樣的事情呃 鮑委員倉儲基本上他還是要基本的消防安全設備對那麼如果他儲存的不是所謂的危險物品的話那麼他還是需要在呃 我們的資訊介入權上面要告訴我們他裡面所儲存的內容是什麼因為他還是會有火災的風險\n還是有火災的風險嘛但我們的消防法只能目前只能規範到就是說發生火災之後你要提供相關資訊嘛對不對可是平日的平日的防火和盤查跟檢查等等的這樣一個機制目前有沒有一個規章來做規範\n我們目前是想要修請這個工廠輔導法裡面去處理這個問題理論上來講規範倉儲應該說規範相關防火的過去大家的重點都放在工廠所以是從工廠管理輔導法裡面來處理但剛剛我們也討論到其實工廠跟倉儲有一些本質上的差別那就造成一件事情就是工廠管理輔導法有規範很多跟防火相關的事情讓你的災害防救有辦法順利的進行可是倉儲沒有它等於是有點像漏網之魚這是第一個狀況\n第二個狀況是即便現在的狀況是講說我工廠附屬的危險物品你是用倉儲的方式處理的時候你要納管但我那天跟基層的消防弟兄座談跟了解的時候他們提了一個問題很好我如果單純只是販賣危險物品因為產業鏈嘛我如果是進口外國進口商我進口一批化學藥劑它是屬於的危險物品但是我只是代理進口而已啊然後我進口之後我就放到了其中一個倉儲請問這樣的狀況是有沒有要申報的\n鮑偉如果說他達到儲存管制量30倍以上那他基本上就要申報我們也要聯合稽查對但是問題是我這我就跟市長我們的認知可能就出現一點差別就我們的了解是基於工廠管理輔導法等等相關的延伸規定跟你災害防救規定所以是工廠端去處理這個事可是我剛剛講是進口喔我只是進過來然後找時間把它賣掉這個其實就我本期的了解從消防第一線的反應是他反而是找不到的\n因為他沒有在這個守備範圍裡面所以這就是本期要提這個職權原因就從你的宅在房就白皮書裡面我希望齁這個針對倉儲的部分有進一步的進一步的討論啦我們當然一步到位就是說要全面納管或什麼當然很快然後也會造成一定的衝擊這本期完全理解\n但是我覺得如果只做到資訊權是不夠的換言之我們要針對工廠管理輔導法要做進一步的討論現在內政部針對工廠管理輔導法如果要納緩倉儲或者是強化他的防火設備你們現在有什麼具體的規劃跟進度跟經濟部對話有沒有什麼具體的成果\n跟委員報告因為這個部分當然剛剛委員有提到就是說行政院目前有政委在協調這件事情那如果說以消防署或是內政部的角度來看的話我們現在目前第一優先的是要去處理所謂的公共危險物品的倉庫\n因為這個部分對於我們救災人員的威脅是最大的所以我們目前大概在地方政府回報我們總共納管了142家那這個不同的縣市政府有它的數字那這些都是我們在工廠之外的公共危險物品倉庫我們現在都已經納管\n對 有沒有包含進口的市長你可以回去了解一下啦就本期的了解是進口比如說代理我只是專門進那個是漏網之魚這個我覺得立刻要處理如果可以有一套規章可以納管來做納管那第二個我還是希望未來工廠管理輔導法要有一定的修正跟考量倉儲跟工廠當然不一樣比如說工廠我們是用防火區劃的邏輯來規劃來做災害的預防\n那當然你用倉儲你要求他用比照工廠用防火區法可能他就有實際上的困難因為他就對於倉儲的容量等等造成一些影響因為他也沒有產線沒有人啊對不對所以他有不同的說法那你們自己建築研究所其實也做過研究嘛也就是物流倉儲建築設置防火區法的方案研究裡面其實就有提到好像沒有辦法一體適用但是他們有提一個新的概念比如說有淨空隔離帶啊我只要讓區域\n拉的夠開那你這個隔離帶剛好可以做比如說倉儲的這個運輸的一個動線等等那我覺得這表示你們其實有在做一些研究的那既然你們已經有針對倉儲的防火相關的一些規範已經有在做研究我就希望未來可以進到下一步的討論我們消防法只是第一步嘛工廠管理輔導法它可能不見得你要嘛就有個倉儲的專法嘛\n要嘛就是也許在工廠管理輔導法裡面有一個倉促的專章在平常的時候他就要有納管跟防災的這樣的一些配套的機制這樣子的一個想法你們內政部打算有沒有執行的一個時間表或者說你有遇到一些阻力或難題\n跟委員報告 我們目前在 剛剛委員提到就是說包括建研所他們所做的這些研究我們會把這些資訊再跟經濟部去做分享那至於說對倉儲業者 或者是倉儲的納管我們目前除了消防法之外那就是我們跟經濟部在公服法這塊 我們會去討論但是時間表的部分跟委員報告 目前我這邊所知是還沒有\n我希望這部分稍微可以明確一點啦所以簡單就做個結論啦第一個就是說現在你針對既有危險物品的納管我希望你再進口這一端啦也就是說它非工廠生產出來的而是進口販賣的這一端它的倉儲的部分你要有一個專案的配套計畫那第二個我希望把\n這個工廠管理服務法的修正你要提到有具體的一些做法比如說你有哪些條文要修正你至少內政部從防災的這個地方來出發你總可以有一些主張嘛那經濟部有哪些反應你如果沒有一些條文或者是沒有一些內容的話恐怕有困難這一點我希望喔我給這個次長一個月的時間啦\n好 做一下相關的一些規範比如說你們對話了幾次開了哪些會議目前遇到的狀況是怎麼樣修法預計的期程是什麼這讓本席一個月之內有書面資料可以掌握可以嗎好 我們提供資料給委員好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.725 --> 00:04.228\n謝謝主席這個馬市長有請好請馬市長委員早安市長早安這個本席一直都非常關心這個倉儲的防火這個的部分當然今天討論災害防救法當然文字上的一些修正跟微調還有一些精神的加強這本席都競表支持希望審議的過程可以順利那\n\n00:25.204 --> 00:46.851\n但是討論法條我覺得不如好好去看一看我們的災害防救的白皮書並且跟本席一直都關心的倉儲的防災的部分來做一個討論這113年的災害防救的白皮書有針對工廠的安全統合管理機制有提很多的對策比如說盤查管理、查核、演練等等這都是題中應有之議\n\n00:48.351 --> 01:09.086\n那這個113年的8月21日這個陳金德政委也有主持跟倉儲有關因為倉儲其實有討論了一段時間就是說要強化倉儲業者的危險物品管理延商所以說有把危險物品拉出來不管是不是存放在工廠的廠區之內但是倉庫或寄存只要是危險物品的時候它應該就要有所謂的依法\n\n01:09.646 --> 01:28.351\n申報的這樣子一個一個程序但大體來講他還是附屬在工廠下面的嘛也就工廠如果有危險物品的管理原料他如果倉儲他要申報的那再加上我們去年通過的這個消防法的修正案也有把一定規模以上的倉儲納管但那個討論的是火災發生的時候這個消防救災的資訊權的確保\n\n01:29.651 --> 01:54.930\n所以他其實有一點點的進度但我還是要繼續往前來追蹤這個題目因為我相信以目前這樣子的一個防守的強度大概還是很難杜絕所有倉儲的這個火災這個我就先請教一下這個次長這個倉儲跟工廠的類型是不是一樣?包圍是不同的應該是不同的對不對這我也不用問經濟部其實是非常清楚的從防災的角度來講他也是不一樣的那現在以\n\n01:56.132 --> 02:22.679\n你你從防災主觀的這樣子一個角度來出發啦齁如果說倉儲只存放一般物品有沒有必要要擴大納管或者是要怎麼樣來納管有沒有討論過這樣的事情呃鮑委員倉儲基本上他還是要基本的消防安全設備對那麼如果他儲存的不是所謂的危險物品的話那麼他還是需要在呃我們的資訊介入權上面要告訴我們他裡面所儲存的內容是什麼因為他還是會有火災的風險\n\n02:23.479 --> 02:36.822\n還是有火災的風險嘛但我們的消防法只能目前只能規範到就是說發生火災之後你要提供相關資訊嘛對不對可是平日的平日的防火和盤查跟檢查等等的這樣一個機制目前有沒有一個規章來做規範\n\n02:38.978 --> 03:07.640\n我們目前是想要修請這個工廠輔導法裡面去處理這個問題理論上來講規範倉儲應該說規範相關防火的過去大家的重點都放在工廠所以是從工廠管理輔導法裡面來處理但剛剛我們也討論到其實工廠跟倉儲有一些本質上的差別那就造成一件事情就是工廠管理輔導法有規範很多跟防火相關的事情讓你的災害防救有辦法順利的進行可是倉儲沒有它等於是有點像漏網之魚這是第一個狀況\n\n03:08.280 --> 03:32.898\n第二個狀況是即便現在的狀況是講說我工廠附屬的危險物品你是用倉儲的方式處理的時候你要納管但我那天跟基層的消防弟兄座談跟了解的時候他們提了一個問題很好我如果單純只是販賣危險物品因為產業鏈嘛我如果是進口外國進口商我進口一批化學藥劑它是屬於的危險物品但是我只是代理進口而已啊然後我進口之後我就放到了其中一個倉儲請問這樣的狀況是有沒有要申報的\n\n03:36.419 --> 04:02.120\n鮑偉如果說他達到儲存管制量30倍以上那他基本上就要申報我們也要聯合稽查對但是問題是我這我就跟市長我們的認知可能就出現一點差別就我們的了解是基於工廠管理輔導法等等相關的延伸規定跟你災害防救規定所以是工廠端去處理這個事可是我剛剛講是進口喔我只是進過來然後找時間把它賣掉這個其實就我本期的了解從消防第一線的反應是他反而是找不到的\n\n04:03.035 --> 04:18.913\n因為他沒有在這個守備範圍裡面所以這就是本期要提這個職權原因就從你的宅在房就白皮書裡面我希望齁這個針對倉儲的部分有進一步的進一步的討論啦我們當然一步到位就是說要全面納管或什麼當然很快然後也會造成一定的衝擊這本期完全理解\n\n04:19.373 --> 04:32.211\n但是我覺得如果只做到資訊權是不夠的換言之我們要針對工廠管理輔導法要做進一步的討論現在內政部針對工廠管理輔導法如果要納緩倉儲或者是強化他的防火設備你們現在有什麼具體的規劃跟進度跟經濟部對話有沒有什麼具體的成果\n\n04:36.308 --> 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