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00:01:43,458\n那另外再進一步就是再進一步的分析那分析以後怎麼得到這個資訊這個有計畫正在執行當中那對於國土署這邊建築圖的平面圖這個區塊呢我們後續是有個五連中程計畫對119派遣系統在做一個精進那兩個系統就微型物品跟建築物的平面圖這個區塊我們也同步在做這方面的計畫\n\n5\n00:01:44,759 --> 00:02:04,197\n跟知情當中跟委員會吧但這個中間如果他有私自挪移你在圖上是看不到的啊這個是比較所以我們在很感謝委員上個會期有通過消防法修正案就是危險物品場所的人員專人\n\n6\n00:02:05,638 --> 00:02:22,644\n在發生事故以後在現場做一個提報讓我們就在於了解說這個現場到底有什麼原因關係有沒有變化那這個區塊他沒有做的話我們在去年處罰的額度相當重那在上個月我們特別學習到日本有Kohoma的經驗\n\n7\n00:02:23,664 --> 00:02:47,322\n就是要報告跟我們報告消防機關報告什麼東西那個區塊我們也把它具體化就是讓專責人員要做什麼事怎麼讓他跟我們消防救災人員做一個溝通這個目前正在進行當中很感謝委員關心沒有齁其實有一個觀念都要改市長你知不知道現在啊自動倉儲化設備他們都怎麼做\n\n8\n00:02:50,834 --> 00:03:09,222\n他們連一個東西擺在哪裡然後怎麼移動什麼的其實都AI化都電腦化了你任何移動一個像你的那種東西如果你要出貨其實在鍵盤上打一打自動都輸送了都直接出來了倉儲都做得到這個做不到嗎\n\n9\n00:03:15,282 --> 00:03:41,517\n這個一定規模的業者對倉儲的管理他的那個自動化跟AI化這個沒有問題我們現在有很多的業者他可能都比較小型的或是家庭式我只問你做不做得到以現在的科技做不做得到你只回答我一句就好了科技做得到好對嘛啊做得到是啊那你針對大型的你為什麼不去要求\n\n10\n00:03:43,427 --> 00:04:08,582\n你沒有那麼多藉口啦真正發生嚴重事情就是大型嘛你的中小型也不可能發生多大的爆炸也不可能說齁有多大的危險啊它還是有啊但你對於這種大型的業者倉儲都做得到了這個做不到這就看出有沒有魄力要做而已啊對不對是不是啊市長\n\n11\n00:04:10,467 --> 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