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00:00:27,604\n好謝謝主席本席有請消防署蕭署長好請署長署長好署長本席請教政府應該作為我們全國消防地修的後盾這句話您認同嗎我們現在努力對認同嗎我們現在努力是\n\n2\n00:00:28,652 --> 00:00:32,075\n政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾這句話您認同嗎主席可不可以停一下時間\n\n3\n00:00:54,572 --> 00:01:15,359\n這個很誇張耶我是請教您您認同嗎認同認同而且要繼續努力啊對啊很好啊那你從頭到尾不講認同兩個字我說我再問一次我針對問題好不好政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾這句話您認同嗎認同好那這個我們\n\n4\n00:01:20,205 --> 00:01:39,193\n有看到有些地方的消防局它可能有為了整合整個消防員長時間救災照護它可能有所謂的後勤照護車或者是生命真相監測系統\n\n5\n00:01:40,994 --> 00:02:07,230\n像這類的後勤照顧系統對於消防人員的執勤品質請問您認為是不是更有保障潘委員我們的後勤照顧已經列入預算就問題問嘛我的問題是您是不是覺得這樣子對我們消防弟兄救災的弟兄們更有保障當然更有保障當然更有保障你認同嗎然後接著你可以講你剛剛想要講的\n\n6\n00:02:08,251 --> 00:02:32,576\n好感謝我們對於關切委員關心的後勤照顧車事實上已經在桃園市有先試辦過那效果不錯那現在已經在各縣市在後續的總統計劃就院裡面計劃核定以後那我們經費核定以後我們就是全國應該會每個縣市至少會有一部後勤照顧車對所以你們有在規劃已經在列入計劃了是\n\n7\n00:02:34,037 --> 00:02:44,486\n對所以像去年我們好像看到整個消防署我們中央政府也很重視嘛消防弟兄的安危還有各方面的需求編了兩百六十幾億對不對\n\n8\n00:02:46,096 --> 00:03:05,063\n這是未來五年的經費對去年編然後有200億所以我們有為消防弟兄在規劃這個部分我們繼續努力所以在去年預算我們在討論預算的時候本席有提案這一塊那我們本來提案是凍結2000萬但是後來我們在預算審查的時候11位委員針對我們消防署的預算43億我們統統700萬\n\n9\n00:03:14,067 --> 00:03:31,407\n這個大概是千分之1.6%凍結千分之1.6%這點您應該認同吧我們等於凍結如果大家好好的做為我們消防弟兄努力我們是不是您這個規劃好提來是不是就可以解凍\n\n10\n00:03:32,548 --> 00:03:37,831\n我們主要非常肯定我們消防署跟各地消防局對我們消防弟兄的安危各方面我們都在努力\n\n11\n00:03:55,318 --> 00:04:06,069\n對署長這邊我們也肯定所以剛剛本席的問題其實只是這個問題您只要就問題回答就可以好謝謝請你回座主席本席想請馬次長好請馬次長\n\n12\n00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:35,757\n委員好市長請問您認不認同防災勝於救災認同對嘛所以我們防災的這個作為很多是我們政府要去推動的沒有錯吧沒錯那現在我們很多老舊住宅的更新跟維護非常的重要但是我們整個的進度是非常緩慢的您知道這一塊嗎\n\n13\n00:04:37,078 --> 00:05:04,198\n報委我們了解目前在危老案的一個重建進度那的確有一部分是需要再努力是不是很落後報委因為它有很多的社會條件跟環境條件要配合譬如什麼社會條件因為我們在推動危老耐震能力的評估的時候這個包括屋主還有我們在這個地方政府的部分都要一起來努力不然的話只有中央來推動是不夠的\n\n14\n00:05:05,584 --> 00:05:22,457\n對所以要帶動嘛那請問你們有掌握全國建築物耐震安檢暨輔導重建補強計畫它整個這個計畫中央提出來但是你們都沒有了解都沒有逐年的統計現在你有統計數字嗎\n\n15\n00:05:23,939 --> 00:05:36,197\n包委員我手上的數字是到2月底我們危老的耐震人力評估案件我們是完成了19755件不是危老的耐震是全國建築物耐震安檢輔導重建計畫整個的進度\n\n16\n00:05:40,732 --> 00:06:02,488\n年度目標值跟你完成的進度你們完全沒有而且統計數字只到110年那本席跟這個相關單位所知的時候跟我們說這個要再去問地方政府你看現在114年了你中央只掌握到110年\n\n17\n00:06:03,909 --> 00:06:19,484\n所以財政收支劃分法很多錢給地方是對的嘛你中央都沒有作為沒有做事好再來因為時間的關係我們希望你們盡快的去把這一些進度你們要掌握好\n\n18\n00:06:23,187 --> 00:06:47,232\n領導者不要只有下令在做政治的對立真正要做率領所有的公務員真的要去實際的為我們民眾的需求來做剛剛您有講到不管是耐震或者是我們做一些防護可是更重要的有很多的老舊住宅他需要更新這一塊您了解吧\n\n19\n00:06:48,174 --> 00:07:14,345\n我們這邊超過30年屋齡的戶數全國有多少戶您知道嗎500萬戶那全台住宅老化情況越來越嚴峻每兩戶就有一戶超過30年的屋齡所以全台屋齡超過50年的有100萬戶所以中央有沒有考慮剛剛您有講有很多的條件那我們就我們所知其實\n\n20\n00:07:16,266 --> 00:07:40,960\n可能要願意來做的不管是民間或者是當事者就是住戶那有一些誘因所以政府有沒有在研擬譬如說讓建商他有這個誘因來幫這些50年以上汙齡的來幫他們來更新就可能在容積率上的獎勵各方面這一塊有沒有\n\n21\n00:07:42,170 --> 00:08:05,781\n我們除了重建以外我們目前有一個方案是在協助這些比較老的建築物去做所謂的整修那整修之後它不會去動到它原來的容積率我剛剛有講整修也好給它檢測各方面檢測完就知道要怎麼整修但是有一些它整修已經不足以負荷了它可能\n\n22\n00:08:06,901 --> 00:08:35,620\n現在我們的地震啊次數越來越頻繁您不否認吧還有強度也越來越大其實這種天災地變不是我們能夠預期或是我們能夠制止的但是我們能做好的就是防災那所以有50年以上的房子有100萬戶所以我們還是得要有一些相關的法規這些法規那來讓它能夠盡快的50年以上的屋齡的\n\n23\n00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:55,470\n如果該更新的就要更新所以本席問的是那你這個更新最大就沒有誘因那你如果能夠有一些這個規範出來那有誘因是不是可以讓建商他也願意去去負荷然後當事人他覺得OK我租金補貼有人而且\n\n24\n00:08:56,050 --> 00:09:21,836\n我們這個更新了以後譬如說我去哪裡租房子兩三年接著我就可以有一個新的新的這個住家這個是政府要來做要來推動的啊這一塊到底目前有沒有我們每個縣市的進度我們是不是容後我們跟委員報告進度剛剛委員提到數字我們有數字現在全國現在中央在帶領我的重點是中央在帶領你這個誘因出來了沒\n\n25\n00:09:23,976 --> 00:09:31,387\n我們有這個整個配套的措施因為講起來蠻複雜的那我現在就問你你的獎勵措施是什麼你有鼓勵民間來參與嗎這個部分都有惟老跟\n\n26\n00:09:38,112 --> 00:09:56,513\n不會啦部分都有都有對容積獎率稅都有但是你的容積獎率讓民間願意做嗎他覺得這也沒有誘因啊所以這一塊我要你有沒有瞭解這個現況這個我們要去分析民間可不可以做這才是重點有沒有\n\n27\n00:09:57,256 --> 00:10:17,987\n民間一定可以做但是不是所有的民間都可以做有些他有他不同的條件所以我們要看他的位置就這個東西我們訂出來的是全國性的規範今天你不能這樣講因為危險的他沒有分他的位置他危險之稱以來就倒了然後就很慘所以這一塊你們要去想啊\n\n28\n00:10:19,088 --> 00:10:41,975\n那有些地方他民間不能做那一定是有困難在那政府不介入我跟你講民眾就是在那裡真的天災地變來他們就很辛苦了解甚至很痛苦我們全臺全臺灣大家都不忍看到這個情況是不是可以加速進行好沒問題我們內政部很努力一個月內讓本席了解一下你們的進度好不好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4972\t27604\t好 謝謝主席本席有請消防署蕭署長好 請署長署長好署長本席請教政府應該作為我們全國消防地修的後盾這句話您認同嗎我們現在努力對 認同嗎我們現在努力 是\n28652\t32075\t政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾這句話您認同嗎主席可不可以停一下時間\n54572\t75359\t這個很誇張耶 我是請教您 您認同嗎認同 認同 而且要繼續努力啊對啊很好啊 那你從頭到尾不講認同兩個字我說我再問一次 我針對問題好不好政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾 這句話您認同嗎認同好 那這個我們\n80205\t99193\t有看到有些地方的消防局 它可能有為了整合整個消防員長時間救災照護它可能有所謂的後勤照護車 或者是生命真相監測系統\n100994\t127230\t像這類的後勤照顧系統對於消防人員的執勤品質請問您認為是不是更有保障潘委員我們的後勤照顧已經列入預算就問題問嘛我的問題是您是不是覺得這樣子對我們消防弟兄救災的弟兄們更有保障當然更有保障當然更有保障你認同嗎然後接著你可以講你剛剛想要講的\n128251\t152576\t好感謝我們對於關切委員關心的後勤照顧車事實上已經在桃園市有先試辦過那效果不錯那現在已經在各縣市在後續的總統計劃就院裡面計劃核定以後那我們經費核定以後我們就是全國應該會每個縣市至少會有一部後勤照顧車對所以你們有在規劃已經在列入計劃了是\n154037\t164486\t對 所以像去年我們好像看到整個消防署我們中央政府也很重視嘛消防弟兄的安危還有各方面的需求編了兩百六十幾億 對不對\n166096\t185063\t這是未來五年的經費對 去年編然後有200億所以我們有為消防弟兄在規劃這個部分我們繼續努力所以在去年預算我們在討論預算的時候本席有提案這一塊那我們本來提案是凍結2000萬但是後來我們在預算審查的時候11位委員針對我們消防署的預算43億我們統統700萬\n194067\t211407\t這個大概是千分之1.6%凍結千分之1.6%這點您應該認同吧我們等於凍結如果大家好好的做為我們消防弟兄努力我們是不是您這個規劃好提來是不是就可以解凍\n212548\t217831\t我們主要非常肯定我們消防署跟各地消防局對我們消防弟兄的安危各方面我們都在努力\n235318\t246069\t對署長這邊我們也肯定所以剛剛本席的問題其實只是這個問題您只要就問題回答就可以好謝謝請你回座主席本席想請馬次長好請馬次長\n252759\t275757\t委員好市長請問您認不認同防災勝於救災認同對嘛所以我們防災的這個作為很多是我們政府要去推動的沒有錯吧沒錯那現在我們很多老舊住宅的更新跟維護非常的重要但是我們整個的進度是非常緩慢的您知道這一塊嗎\n277078\t304198\t報委我們了解目前在危老案的一個重建進度那的確有一部分是需要再努力是不是很落後報委因為它有很多的社會條件跟環境條件要配合譬如什麼社會條件因為我們在推動危老耐震能力的評估的時候這個包括屋主還有我們在這個地方政府的部分都要一起來努力不然的話只有中央來推動是不夠的\n305584\t322457\t對 所以要帶動嘛那請問你們有掌握全國建築物耐震安檢暨輔導重建補強計畫它整個 這個計畫中央提出來但是你們都沒有了解 都沒有逐年的統計現在你有統計數字嗎\n323939\t336197\t包委員我手上的數字是到2月底我們危老的耐震人力評估案件我們是完成了19755件不是危老的耐震是全國建築物耐震安檢輔導重建計畫整個的進度\n340732\t362488\t年度目標值跟你完成的進度你們完全沒有而且統計數字只到110年那本席跟這個相關單位所知的時候跟我們說這個要再去問地方政府你看現在114年了你中央只掌握到110年\n363909\t379484\t所以財政收支劃分法很多錢給地方是對的嘛你中央都沒有作為沒有做事好再來因為時間的關係我們希望你們盡快的去把這一些進度你們要掌握好\n383187\t407232\t領導者不要只有下令在做政治的對立真正要做率領所有的公務員真的要去實際的為我們民眾的需求來做剛剛您有講到不管是耐震或者是我們做一些防護可是更重要的有很多的老舊住宅他需要更新這一塊您了解吧\n408174\t434345\t我們這邊超過30年屋齡的戶數全國有多少戶您知道嗎500萬戶那全台住宅老化情況越來越嚴峻每兩戶就有一戶超過30年的屋齡所以全台屋齡超過50年的有100萬戶所以中央有沒有考慮剛剛您有講有很多的條件那我們就我們所知其實\n436266\t460960\t可能要願意來做的不管是民間或者是當事者就是住戶那有一些誘因所以政府有沒有在研擬譬如說讓建商他有這個誘因來幫這些50年以上汙齡的來幫他們來更新就可能在容積率上的獎勵各方面這一塊有沒有\n462170\t485781\t我們除了重建以外我們目前有一個方案是在協助這些比較老的建築物去做所謂的整修那整修之後它不會去動到它原來的容積率我剛剛有講整修也好給它檢測各方面檢測完就知道要怎麼整修但是有一些它整修已經不足以負荷了它可能\n486901\t515620\t現在我們的地震啊次數越來越頻繁您不否認吧還有強度也越來越大其實這種天災地變不是我們能夠預期或是我們能夠制止的但是我們能做好的就是防災那所以有50年以上的房子有100萬戶所以我們還是得要有一些相關的法規這些法規那來讓它能夠盡快的50年以上的屋齡的\n516440\t535470\t如果該更新的就要更新所以本席問的是那你這個更新最大就沒有誘因那你如果能夠有一些這個規範出來那有誘因是不是可以讓建商他也願意去去負荷然後當事人他覺得OK我租金補貼有人而且\n536050\t561836\t我們這個更新了以後譬如說我去哪裡租房子兩三年接著我就可以有一個新的新的這個住家這個是政府要來做要來推動的啊這一塊到底目前有沒有我們每個縣市的進度我們是不是容後我們跟委員報告進度剛剛委員提到數字我們有數字現在全國現在中央在帶領我的重點是中央在帶領你這個誘因出來了沒\n563976\t571387\t我們有這個整個配套的措施因為講起來蠻複雜的那我現在就問你 你的獎勵措施是什麼你有鼓勵民間來參與嗎這個部分都有 惟老跟\n578112\t596513\t不會啦 部分都有都有對 容積獎率稅都有但是你的容積獎率讓民間願意做嗎他覺得這也沒有誘因啊所以這一塊我要你有沒有瞭解這個現況這個我們要去分析民間可不可以做這才是重點有沒有\n597256\t617987\t民間一定可以做但是不是所有的民間都可以做有些他有他不同的條件所以我們要看他的位置就這個東西我們訂出來的是全國性的規範今天你不能這樣講因為危險的他沒有分他的位置他危險之稱以來就倒了然後就很慘所以這一塊你們要去想啊\n619088\t641975\t那有些地方他民間不能做那一定是有困難在那政府不介入我跟你講民眾就是在那裡真的天災地變來他們就很辛苦了解甚至很痛苦我們全臺全臺灣大家都不忍看到這個情況是不是可以加速進行好沒問題我們內政部很努力一個月內讓本席了解一下你們的進度好不好謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席本席有請消防署蕭署長好 請署長署長好署長本席請教政府應該作為我們全國消防地修的後盾這句話您認同嗎我們現在努力對 認同嗎我們現在努力 是\n政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾這句話您認同嗎主席可不可以停一下時間\n這個很誇張耶 我是請教您 您認同嗎認同 認同 而且要繼續努力啊對啊很好啊 那你從頭到尾不講認同兩個字我說我再問一次 我針對問題好不好政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾 這句話您認同嗎認同好 那這個我們\n有看到有些地方的消防局 它可能有為了整合整個消防員長時間救災照護它可能有所謂的後勤照護車 或者是生命真相監測系統\n像這類的後勤照顧系統對於消防人員的執勤品質請問您認為是不是更有保障潘委員我們的後勤照顧已經列入預算就問題問嘛我的問題是您是不是覺得這樣子對我們消防弟兄救災的弟兄們更有保障當然更有保障當然更有保障你認同嗎然後接著你可以講你剛剛想要講的\n好感謝我們對於關切委員關心的後勤照顧車事實上已經在桃園市有先試辦過那效果不錯那現在已經在各縣市在後續的總統計劃就院裡面計劃核定以後那我們經費核定以後我們就是全國應該會每個縣市至少會有一部後勤照顧車對所以你們有在規劃已經在列入計劃了是\n對 所以像去年我們好像看到整個消防署我們中央政府也很重視嘛消防弟兄的安危還有各方面的需求編了兩百六十幾億 對不對\n這是未來五年的經費對 去年編然後有200億所以我們有為消防弟兄在規劃這個部分我們繼續努力所以在去年預算我們在討論預算的時候本席有提案這一塊那我們本來提案是凍結2000萬但是後來我們在預算審查的時候11位委員針對我們消防署的預算43億我們統統700萬\n這個大概是千分之1.6%凍結千分之1.6%這點您應該認同吧我們等於凍結如果大家好好的做為我們消防弟兄努力我們是不是您這個規劃好提來是不是就可以解凍\n我們主要非常肯定我們消防署跟各地消防局對我們消防弟兄的安危各方面我們都在努力\n對署長這邊我們也肯定所以剛剛本席的問題其實只是這個問題您只要就問題回答就可以好謝謝請你回座主席本席想請馬次長好請馬次長\n委員好市長請問您認不認同防災勝於救災認同對嘛所以我們防災的這個作為很多是我們政府要去推動的沒有錯吧沒錯那現在我們很多老舊住宅的更新跟維護非常的重要但是我們整個的進度是非常緩慢的您知道這一塊嗎\n報委我們了解目前在危老案的一個重建進度那的確有一部分是需要再努力是不是很落後報委因為它有很多的社會條件跟環境條件要配合譬如什麼社會條件因為我們在推動危老耐震能力的評估的時候這個包括屋主還有我們在這個地方政府的部分都要一起來努力不然的話只有中央來推動是不夠的\n對 所以要帶動嘛那請問你們有掌握全國建築物耐震安檢暨輔導重建補強計畫它整個 這個計畫中央提出來但是你們都沒有了解 都沒有逐年的統計現在你有統計數字嗎\n包委員我手上的數字是到2月底我們危老的耐震人力評估案件我們是完成了19755件不是危老的耐震是全國建築物耐震安檢輔導重建計畫整個的進度\n年度目標值跟你完成的進度你們完全沒有而且統計數字只到110年那本席跟這個相關單位所知的時候跟我們說這個要再去問地方政府你看現在114年了你中央只掌握到110年\n所以財政收支劃分法很多錢給地方是對的嘛你中央都沒有作為沒有做事好再來因為時間的關係我們希望你們盡快的去把這一些進度你們要掌握好\n領導者不要只有下令在做政治的對立真正要做率領所有的公務員真的要去實際的為我們民眾的需求來做剛剛您有講到不管是耐震或者是我們做一些防護可是更重要的有很多的老舊住宅他需要更新這一塊您了解吧\n我們這邊超過30年屋齡的戶數全國有多少戶您知道嗎500萬戶那全台住宅老化情況越來越嚴峻每兩戶就有一戶超過30年的屋齡所以全台屋齡超過50年的有100萬戶所以中央有沒有考慮剛剛您有講有很多的條件那我們就我們所知其實\n可能要願意來做的不管是民間或者是當事者就是住戶那有一些誘因所以政府有沒有在研擬譬如說讓建商他有這個誘因來幫這些50年以上汙齡的來幫他們來更新就可能在容積率上的獎勵各方面這一塊有沒有\n我們除了重建以外我們目前有一個方案是在協助這些比較老的建築物去做所謂的整修那整修之後它不會去動到它原來的容積率我剛剛有講整修也好給它檢測各方面檢測完就知道要怎麼整修但是有一些它整修已經不足以負荷了它可能\n現在我們的地震啊次數越來越頻繁您不否認吧還有強度也越來越大其實這種天災地變不是我們能夠預期或是我們能夠制止的但是我們能做好的就是防災那所以有50年以上的房子有100萬戶所以我們還是得要有一些相關的法規這些法規那來讓它能夠盡快的50年以上的屋齡的\n如果該更新的就要更新所以本席問的是那你這個更新最大就沒有誘因那你如果能夠有一些這個規範出來那有誘因是不是可以讓建商他也願意去去負荷然後當事人他覺得OK我租金補貼有人而且\n我們這個更新了以後譬如說我去哪裡租房子兩三年接著我就可以有一個新的新的這個住家這個是政府要來做要來推動的啊這一塊到底目前有沒有我們每個縣市的進度我們是不是容後我們跟委員報告進度剛剛委員提到數字我們有數字現在全國現在中央在帶領我的重點是中央在帶領你這個誘因出來了沒\n我們有這個整個配套的措施因為講起來蠻複雜的那我現在就問你 你的獎勵措施是什麼你有鼓勵民間來參與嗎這個部分都有 惟老跟\n不會啦 部分都有都有對 容積獎率稅都有但是你的容積獎率讓民間願意做嗎他覺得這也沒有誘因啊所以這一塊我要你有沒有瞭解這個現況這個我們要去分析民間可不可以做這才是重點有沒有\n民間一定可以做但是不是所有的民間都可以做有些他有他不同的條件所以我們要看他的位置就這個東西我們訂出來的是全國性的規範今天你不能這樣講因為危險的他沒有分他的位置他危險之稱以來就倒了然後就很慘所以這一塊你們要去想啊\n那有些地方他民間不能做那一定是有困難在那政府不介入我跟你講民眾就是在那裡真的天災地變來他們就很辛苦了解甚至很痛苦我們全臺全臺灣大家都不忍看到這個情況是不是可以加速進行好沒問題我們內政部很努力一個月內讓本席了解一下你們的進度好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.972 --> 00:27.604\n好謝謝主席本席有請消防署蕭署長好請署長署長好署長本席請教政府應該作為我們全國消防地修的後盾這句話您認同嗎我們現在努力對認同嗎我們現在努力是\n\n00:28.652 --> 00:32.075\n政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾這句話您認同嗎主席可不可以停一下時間\n\n00:54.572 --> 01:15.359\n這個很誇張耶我是請教您您認同嗎認同認同而且要繼續努力啊對啊很好啊那你從頭到尾不講認同兩個字我說我再問一次我針對問題好不好政府應該作為消防弟兄的後盾這句話您認同嗎認同好那這個我們\n\n01:20.205 --> 01:39.193\n有看到有些地方的消防局它可能有為了整合整個消防員長時間救災照護它可能有所謂的後勤照護車或者是生命真相監測系統\n\n01:40.994 --> 02:07.230\n像這類的後勤照顧系統對於消防人員的執勤品質請問您認為是不是更有保障潘委員我們的後勤照顧已經列入預算就問題問嘛我的問題是您是不是覺得這樣子對我們消防弟兄救災的弟兄們更有保障當然更有保障當然更有保障你認同嗎然後接著你可以講你剛剛想要講的\n\n02:08.251 --> 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