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00:00:10,185\n謝謝主席我想請來劉靜慶劉主委好劉主委\n\n2\n00:00:21,626 --> 00:00:41,516\n因為國家發展計畫每四年都會推一次從您上來之後您去年8月推出一個新的版本就是114年到117年的一個國家計畫我發現你這裡面用了一個比較特別的字眼你講到一個後全球化的新冷戰時代\n\n3\n00:00:43,158 --> 00:00:57,335\n那我想問一下就從主委的角度來看的時候全球化的示威大概在什麼時候那碰到這個新冷戰時代的時候台灣應該要怎麼做才能夠跟上這樣的腳步全球化開始\n\n4\n00:00:58,985 --> 00:01:21,744\n受到比較大的挑戰事實上從2017年就開始逐步到了疫情期間各國也紛紛發現他必須擁有自己比較安全的供應鏈去穩固自己國家的安全所以呢以美國為首開始推動這個法案14017的法案去進行這個安全供應鏈的推動\n\n5\n00:01:22,284 --> 00:01:39,837\n那這個熱性供應鏈的推動其實在各個國家都有類似的現象開始發生所以你在這邊講到全球化是你覺得是從COVID-19之後的時候開始做一些調整你定義是這樣子啦OK那這沒問題喔而且從美中貿易開始在2017開始從美中貿易這個部分就出現了\n\n6\n00:01:40,598 --> 00:02:06,447\nOK那我在想說針對這個部分因為你特別提到了一個針對大陸的一個和平崛起大家覺得夢想幻滅那你這邊是不是有特別的訊息覺得說會進入到一個武力崛起的一個過程還是一個對兩岸的衝突你這邊是不是有特別的一個訊息我這邊倒是我們比較從經濟的角度去看整個產業的發展到比較沒有從\n\n7\n00:02:07,492 --> 00:02:18,304\n所以如果從經濟的角度來看的時候那怎麼會因為經濟就是一個和平崛起的一個動作為什麼會覺得經濟的角度來看的時候你們也不覺得說它是一個和平崛起的過程\n\n8\n00:02:20,134 --> 00:02:40,300\n你如果以從中國經濟過去而言他他也是一個和平的崛起他並沒有沒有任何的軍事的崛起那如果是這個部分的時候面臨的壓力應該是說在高高速發展之後所產生的一些效應包括全球化造成他的產業也開始在外移嗎\n\n9\n00:02:41,441 --> 00:02:57,801\n所以基本上因為是整個產業化的外移或者他們你基本上因為他是經濟上的崛起你覺得他其實還是一個和平崛起的一個過程啦是不是對他是和平的但他遇到兩個問題第一個成本變高了第二個事情是2017開始美國關稅之後他的產業開始進行外移\n\n10\n00:02:59,422 --> 00:03:27,467\n對可是成本變高跟產業壞壞基本上都還是一個和平的動作因為我只是針對這部分有一個定義上的一個聊因為我本來想說你這邊也許會有一些國發會也許會有一些特別的一個訊息會覺得更敏感覺得說兩岸搞不好會有一些爭端或者是怎麼樣子那如果沒有的時候我就進入下面一個部分因為在109年就是蔡總統第二屆任期她提出一個六大核心戰略那去年的時候我們提出五大信賴產業那麼今天你在\n\n11\n00:03:28,187 --> 00:03:55,701\n又報告到你也把這個五大信貸產業當作一個很重要的部分在第一段就特別去講那我就很認真的去看了一個六大核心戰略跟五大信貸產業當中的一個差別那五大信貸產業當中包括半導體AI軍工安控跟世代通訊這些部分的時候呢大概在六大核心戰略產業當中大概可以用字當然不一樣可是用字基本上來說大概就是在整個資訊及數位國防及戰略還有\n\n12\n00:03:57,542 --> 00:04:20,995\n資産卓越這三個部分大概就涵蓋了就是五大信貸產業所以我比較好奇的是在六大核心戰略當中的時候呢台灣精準醫療民生及戰備還有綠電及再生能源的部分就在整個五大信貸產業當中其實感覺是消失的那對於這個部分的時候主委這邊有沒有什麼要特別補充覺得說這樣的一個調整主要是在哪裡\n\n13\n00:04:22,881 --> 00:04:50,254\n基本上我們目前我們的看法是這樣六大核心戰略是要必須被延續的那五大信任產業是在這個延續的過程中我們要更大強化的區域那所以舉個例子在精準醫療的部分現在總統在推動健康台灣那他就有更大的包容性在這裡面所以他基本上他本身是一個持續性的政策推動\n\n14\n00:04:50,974 --> 00:05:05,446\n所以你認為六大核心災害還是整個持續的只是這個當中的時候把五個產業當中特別挑出來去做重點的一個強化是這個意思嗎因為我們必須建立於過去的基礎上繼續發展\n\n15\n00:05:07,247 --> 00:05:22,259\n那我想問一下針對那個目前其實在整個費用產業鏈當中的時候其實我們知道無人機大聯盟在台灣開始也非常的蓬勃針對這個部分的時候我們是不是有特別的一個政策傾斜要如何去做這無人機大聯盟\n\n16\n00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:36,328\n無人機的部分是我們現在是委由經濟部在主導成立了一個大聯盟那也成立了嘉義的無人機專區也有一些研究基地那我們現在從國科會也開始在輔導資助這個關鍵晶片的研發所以我們從整個晶片到它的陀螺儀也好到雲台也好整個\n\n17\n00:05:50,936 --> 00:06:10,211\n整個產業鏈我們都做了一個精密的分析因為無人機它真的很特殊因為目前也許台灣在發展的是一個商用無人機可是因為商用無人機跟軍用無人機來說坦白說在一線之隔那我在想說這個部分的時候我想無人機其實某一個部分其實是台灣有條件去發展\n\n18\n00:06:11,132 --> 00:06:27,860\n所以本席對這個部分其實也有一些相當的期待因為我覺得這個部分對台灣來說不管是從經濟角度或從安全的角度來看都會有一些注意所以我們希望這部分能夠特別的去加強好謝謝那接下來是我想問一下其實因為就是\n\n19\n00:06:29,962 --> 00:06:45,083\n國發會這邊影響了很多跨單位的一個政策那107年的時候國發會出面主導的時候經濟部就公告了一個企業級法人申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習要點那這個實習要點當中的時候呢目前來看它就是\n\n20\n00:06:47,014 --> 00:07:15,503\n國外學生到台灣來實習那用的是停留簽證可以停留六個月六個月之後要再出去一次再進來六個月目前的機制是不是這樣子主委就我了解的是是這樣子我們也有接到業者的澄清跟反應我們也把這個意見反映到這個經濟部希望這個部分能夠有一些考慮目前我想他們還在政府的意見之間的整合\n\n21\n00:07:16,823 --> 00:07:29,749\n所以國發會這邊已經有把這個意見就是轉給了經濟部對不對因為時間太短尤其是李學業的反應比較多所以我們就把這個反應意見也給到了\n\n22\n00:07:30,592 --> 00:07:55,478\nOK那因為那個旅館業其實從今年今年可以改成兩年了旅屬業已經開放了對旅館業已經改成兩年了對這個就是我要問的接下來的點因為旅館業改成兩年非旅館業的部分都還是六個月而且他們用的簽證也都不一樣所以來台灣實習的學生所操作的對待也都不一樣所以本席在這邊是希望說能夠一體試用\n\n23\n00:07:57,058 --> 00:08:15,114\n也許都能夠比照旅宿業都讓他們來的時間長一點讓他們學習能夠完整一點然後針對這個部分您剛剛說您已經轉交給經濟部指的就是這個部分是不是我之前反映的是旅宿業我想您這邊有其他行業的話我也會會後會會找\n\n24\n00:08:17,436 --> 00:08:35,414\n我們希望所有的產業先能夠一體化不要一國兩制同樣一個外國學生到台灣來實習的狀態還有兩種不同的標準兩種被對待的方式好那接下來的時候我再請教一個部分就是\n\n25\n00:08:38,713 --> 00:09:01,749\n我問一個啦,N-1的部分,剛剛很多委員都特別提到,我想問一下主委,N-1的部分,我們的法源依據是來自於哪裡,你知道嗎?N-1主要就我了解,原來只是對中國的部分,但是這個在審核技術上面,因為我們從國家安全的角度,我們會在這個,將來在這個投審的部分,我們也會特別關注這個領域。\n\n26\n00:09:03,595 --> 00:09:24,186\n因為你剛剛提到一個點就是因為N-1的原則是在大陸地區投資晶圓鑄造廠相關的部分的一個要點當中的一個部分因為N-1的法源依據在這裡那我們現在如果說要一體適用的時候那我在想說也許我們在法規面的部分也許要盡量讓它更完善一點\n\n27\n00:09:25,086 --> 00:09:35,958\n好不好好的那原來是可以引用國家安全但是我想委員的建議也很有道理我會找經濟部我們針對這一點來來做強化OK好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8458\t10185\t謝謝主席 我想請來劉靜慶劉主委好 劉主委\n21626\t41516\t因為國家發展計畫每四年都會推一次從您上來之後 您去年8月推出一個新的版本就是114年到117年的一個國家計畫我發現你這裡面用了一個比較特別的字眼你講到一個後全球化的新冷戰時代\n43158\t57335\t那我想問一下就從主委的角度來看的時候全球化的示威大概在什麼時候那碰到這個新冷戰時代的時候台灣應該要怎麼做才能夠跟上這樣的腳步全球化開始\n58985\t81744\t受到比較大的挑戰事實上從2017年就開始逐步到了疫情期間各國也紛紛發現他必須擁有自己比較安全的供應鏈去穩固自己國家的安全所以呢以美國為首開始推動這個法案14017的法案去進行這個安全供應鏈的推動\n82284\t99837\t那這個熱性供應鏈的推動其實在各個國家都有類似的現象開始發生所以你在這邊講到全球化是你覺得是從COVID-19之後的時候開始做一些調整你定義是這樣子啦OK那這沒問題喔而且從美中貿易開始在2017開始從美中貿易這個部分就出現了\n100598\t126447\tOK那我在想說針對這個部分因為你特別提到了一個針對大陸的一個和平崛起大家覺得夢想幻滅那你這邊是不是有特別的訊息覺得說會進入到一個武力崛起的一個過程還是一個對兩岸的衝突你這邊是不是有特別的一個訊息我這邊倒是我們比較從經濟的角度去看整個產業的發展到比較沒有從\n127492\t138304\t所以如果從經濟的角度來看的時候那怎麼會因為經濟就是一個和平崛起的一個動作為什麼會覺得經濟的角度來看的時候你們也不覺得說它是一個和平崛起的過程\n140134\t160300\t你如果以從中國經濟過去而言他他也是一個和平的崛起他並沒有沒有任何的軍事的崛起那如果是這個部分的時候面臨的壓力應該是說在高高速發展之後所產生的一些效應包括全球化造成他的產業也開始在外移嗎\n161441\t177801\t所以基本上因為是整個產業化的外移或者他們你基本上因為他是經濟上的崛起你覺得他其實還是一個和平崛起的一個過程啦是不是對他是和平的但他遇到兩個問題第一個成本變高了第二個事情是2017開始美國關稅之後他的產業開始進行外移\n179422\t207467\t對 可是成本變高跟產業壞壞基本上都還是一個和平的動作因為我只是針對這部分有一個定義上的一個聊因為我本來想說你這邊也許會有一些國發會也許會有一些特別的一個訊息會覺得更敏感覺得說兩岸搞不好會有一些爭端或者是怎麼樣子那如果沒有的時候我就進入下面一個部分因為在109年就是蔡總統第二屆任期她提出一個六大核心戰略那去年的時候我們提出五大信賴產業那麼今天你在\n208187\t235701\t又報告到你也把這個五大信貸產業當作一個很重要的部分在第一段就特別去講那我就很認真的去看了一個六大核心戰略跟五大信貸產業當中的一個差別那五大信貸產業當中包括半導體 AI 軍工 安控跟世代通訊這些部分的時候呢大概在六大核心戰略產業當中大概可以用字當然不一樣可是用字基本上來說大概就是在整個資訊及數位 國防及戰略還有\n237542\t260995\t資産卓越這三個部分大概就涵蓋了就是五大信貸產業所以我比較好奇的是在六大核心戰略當中的時候呢台灣精準醫療民生及戰備還有綠電及再生能源的部分就在整個五大信貸產業當中其實感覺是消失的那對於這個部分的時候主委這邊有沒有什麼要特別補充覺得說這樣的一個調整主要是在哪裡\n262881\t290254\t基本上我們目前我們的看法是這樣六大核心戰略是要必須被延續的那五大信任產業是在這個延續的過程中我們要更大強化的區域那所以舉個例子在精準醫療的部分現在總統在推動健康台灣那他就有更大的包容性在這裡面所以他基本上他本身是一個持續性的政策推動\n290974\t305446\t所以你認為六大核心災害還是整個持續的只是這個當中的時候把五個產業當中特別挑出來去做重點的一個強化是這個意思嗎因為我們必須建立於過去的基礎上繼續發展\n307247\t322259\t那我想問一下針對那個目前其實在整個費用產業鏈當中的時候其實我們知道無人機大聯盟在台灣開始也非常的蓬勃針對這個部分的時候我們是不是有特別的一個政策傾斜要如何去做這無人機大聯盟\n323320\t336328\t無人機的部分是我們現在是委由經濟部在主導成立了一個大聯盟那也成立了嘉義的無人機專區也有一些研究基地那我們現在從國科會也開始在輔導資助這個關鍵晶片的研發所以我們從整個晶片到它的陀螺儀也好到雲台也好整個\n350936\t370211\t整個產業鏈我們都做了一個精密的分析因為無人機它真的很特殊因為目前也許台灣在發展的是一個商用無人機可是因為商用無人機跟軍用無人機來說坦白說在一線之隔那我在想說這個部分的時候我想無人機其實某一個部分其實是台灣有條件去發展\n371132\t387860\t所以本席對這個部分其實也有一些相當的期待因為我覺得這個部分對台灣來說不管是從經濟角度或從安全的角度來看都會有一些注意所以我們希望這部分能夠特別的去加強好 謝謝那接下來是我想問一下其實因為就是\n389962\t405083\t國發會這邊影響了很多跨單位的一個政策那107年的時候國發會出面主導的時候經濟部就公告了一個企業級法人申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習要點那這個實習要點當中的時候呢目前來看它就是\n407014\t435503\t國外學生到台灣來實習那用的是停留簽證可以停留六個月六個月之後要再出去一次再進來六個月目前的機制是不是這樣子主委就我了解的是是這樣子我們也有接到業者的澄清跟反應我們也把這個意見反映到這個經濟部希望這個部分能夠有一些考慮目前我想他們還在政府的意見之間的整合\n436823\t449749\t所以國發會這邊已經有把這個意見就是轉給了經濟部對不對因為時間太短尤其是李學業的反應比較多所以我們就把這個反應意見也給到了\n450592\t475478\tOK那因為那個旅館業其實從今年今年可以改成兩年了旅屬業已經開放了對旅館業已經改成兩年了對這個就是我要問的接下來的點因為旅館業改成兩年非旅館業的部分都還是六個月而且他們用的簽證也都不一樣所以來台灣實習的學生所操作的對待也都不一樣所以本席在這邊是希望說能夠一體試用\n477058\t495114\t也許都能夠比照旅宿業都讓他們來的時間長一點讓他們學習能夠完整一點然後針對這個部分您剛剛說您已經轉交給經濟部指的就是這個部分是不是我之前反映的是旅宿業我想您這邊有其他行業的話我也會會後會會找\n497436\t515414\t我們希望所有的產業先能夠一體化不要一國兩制同樣一個外國學生到台灣來實習的狀態還有兩種不同的標準兩種被對待的方式好 那接下來的時候我再請教一個部分就是\n518713\t541749\t我問一個啦,N-1的部分,剛剛很多委員都特別提到,我想問一下主委,N-1的部分,我們的法源依據是來自於哪裡,你知道嗎?N-1主要就我了解,原來只是對中國的部分,但是這個在審核技術上面,因為我們從國家安全的角度,我們會在這個,將來在這個投審的部分,我們也會特別關注這個領域。\n543595\t564186\t因為你剛剛提到一個點就是因為N-1的原則是在大陸地區投資晶圓鑄造廠相關的部分的一個要點當中的一個部分因為N-1的法源依據在這裡那我們現在如果說要一體適用的時候那我在想說也許我們在法規面的部分也許要盡量讓它更完善一點\n565086\t575958\t好不好好的那原來是可以引用國家安全但是我想委員的建議也很有道理我會找經濟部我們針對這一點來來做強化OK好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我想請來劉靜慶劉主委好 劉主委\n因為國家發展計畫每四年都會推一次從您上來之後 您去年8月推出一個新的版本就是114年到117年的一個國家計畫我發現你這裡面用了一個比較特別的字眼你講到一個後全球化的新冷戰時代\n那我想問一下就從主委的角度來看的時候全球化的示威大概在什麼時候那碰到這個新冷戰時代的時候台灣應該要怎麼做才能夠跟上這樣的腳步全球化開始\n受到比較大的挑戰事實上從2017年就開始逐步到了疫情期間各國也紛紛發現他必須擁有自己比較安全的供應鏈去穩固自己國家的安全所以呢以美國為首開始推動這個法案14017的法案去進行這個安全供應鏈的推動\n那這個熱性供應鏈的推動其實在各個國家都有類似的現象開始發生所以你在這邊講到全球化是你覺得是從COVID-19之後的時候開始做一些調整你定義是這樣子啦OK那這沒問題喔而且從美中貿易開始在2017開始從美中貿易這個部分就出現了\nOK那我在想說針對這個部分因為你特別提到了一個針對大陸的一個和平崛起大家覺得夢想幻滅那你這邊是不是有特別的訊息覺得說會進入到一個武力崛起的一個過程還是一個對兩岸的衝突你這邊是不是有特別的一個訊息我這邊倒是我們比較從經濟的角度去看整個產業的發展到比較沒有從\n所以如果從經濟的角度來看的時候那怎麼會因為經濟就是一個和平崛起的一個動作為什麼會覺得經濟的角度來看的時候你們也不覺得說它是一個和平崛起的過程\n你如果以從中國經濟過去而言他他也是一個和平的崛起他並沒有沒有任何的軍事的崛起那如果是這個部分的時候面臨的壓力應該是說在高高速發展之後所產生的一些效應包括全球化造成他的產業也開始在外移嗎\n所以基本上因為是整個產業化的外移或者他們你基本上因為他是經濟上的崛起你覺得他其實還是一個和平崛起的一個過程啦是不是對他是和平的但他遇到兩個問題第一個成本變高了第二個事情是2017開始美國關稅之後他的產業開始進行外移\n對 可是成本變高跟產業壞壞基本上都還是一個和平的動作因為我只是針對這部分有一個定義上的一個聊因為我本來想說你這邊也許會有一些國發會也許會有一些特別的一個訊息會覺得更敏感覺得說兩岸搞不好會有一些爭端或者是怎麼樣子那如果沒有的時候我就進入下面一個部分因為在109年就是蔡總統第二屆任期她提出一個六大核心戰略那去年的時候我們提出五大信賴產業那麼今天你在\n又報告到你也把這個五大信貸產業當作一個很重要的部分在第一段就特別去講那我就很認真的去看了一個六大核心戰略跟五大信貸產業當中的一個差別那五大信貸產業當中包括半導體 AI 軍工 安控跟世代通訊這些部分的時候呢大概在六大核心戰略產業當中大概可以用字當然不一樣可是用字基本上來說大概就是在整個資訊及數位 國防及戰略還有\n資産卓越這三個部分大概就涵蓋了就是五大信貸產業所以我比較好奇的是在六大核心戰略當中的時候呢台灣精準醫療民生及戰備還有綠電及再生能源的部分就在整個五大信貸產業當中其實感覺是消失的那對於這個部分的時候主委這邊有沒有什麼要特別補充覺得說這樣的一個調整主要是在哪裡\n基本上我們目前我們的看法是這樣六大核心戰略是要必須被延續的那五大信任產業是在這個延續的過程中我們要更大強化的區域那所以舉個例子在精準醫療的部分現在總統在推動健康台灣那他就有更大的包容性在這裡面所以他基本上他本身是一個持續性的政策推動\n所以你認為六大核心災害還是整個持續的只是這個當中的時候把五個產業當中特別挑出來去做重點的一個強化是這個意思嗎因為我們必須建立於過去的基礎上繼續發展\n那我想問一下針對那個目前其實在整個費用產業鏈當中的時候其實我們知道無人機大聯盟在台灣開始也非常的蓬勃針對這個部分的時候我們是不是有特別的一個政策傾斜要如何去做這無人機大聯盟\n無人機的部分是我們現在是委由經濟部在主導成立了一個大聯盟那也成立了嘉義的無人機專區也有一些研究基地那我們現在從國科會也開始在輔導資助這個關鍵晶片的研發所以我們從整個晶片到它的陀螺儀也好到雲台也好整個\n整個產業鏈我們都做了一個精密的分析因為無人機它真的很特殊因為目前也許台灣在發展的是一個商用無人機可是因為商用無人機跟軍用無人機來說坦白說在一線之隔那我在想說這個部分的時候我想無人機其實某一個部分其實是台灣有條件去發展\n所以本席對這個部分其實也有一些相當的期待因為我覺得這個部分對台灣來說不管是從經濟角度或從安全的角度來看都會有一些注意所以我們希望這部分能夠特別的去加強好 謝謝那接下來是我想問一下其實因為就是\n國發會這邊影響了很多跨單位的一個政策那107年的時候國發會出面主導的時候經濟部就公告了一個企業級法人申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習要點那這個實習要點當中的時候呢目前來看它就是\n國外學生到台灣來實習那用的是停留簽證可以停留六個月六個月之後要再出去一次再進來六個月目前的機制是不是這樣子主委就我了解的是是這樣子我們也有接到業者的澄清跟反應我們也把這個意見反映到這個經濟部希望這個部分能夠有一些考慮目前我想他們還在政府的意見之間的整合\n所以國發會這邊已經有把這個意見就是轉給了經濟部對不對因為時間太短尤其是李學業的反應比較多所以我們就把這個反應意見也給到了\nOK那因為那個旅館業其實從今年今年可以改成兩年了旅屬業已經開放了對旅館業已經改成兩年了對這個就是我要問的接下來的點因為旅館業改成兩年非旅館業的部分都還是六個月而且他們用的簽證也都不一樣所以來台灣實習的學生所操作的對待也都不一樣所以本席在這邊是希望說能夠一體試用\n也許都能夠比照旅宿業都讓他們來的時間長一點讓他們學習能夠完整一點然後針對這個部分您剛剛說您已經轉交給經濟部指的就是這個部分是不是我之前反映的是旅宿業我想您這邊有其他行業的話我也會會後會會找\n我們希望所有的產業先能夠一體化不要一國兩制同樣一個外國學生到台灣來實習的狀態還有兩種不同的標準兩種被對待的方式好 那接下來的時候我再請教一個部分就是\n我問一個啦,N-1的部分,剛剛很多委員都特別提到,我想問一下主委,N-1的部分,我們的法源依據是來自於哪裡,你知道嗎?N-1主要就我了解,原來只是對中國的部分,但是這個在審核技術上面,因為我們從國家安全的角度,我們會在這個,將來在這個投審的部分,我們也會特別關注這個領域。\n因為你剛剛提到一個點就是因為N-1的原則是在大陸地區投資晶圓鑄造廠相關的部分的一個要點當中的一個部分因為N-1的法源依據在這裡那我們現在如果說要一體適用的時候那我在想說也許我們在法規面的部分也許要盡量讓它更完善一點\n好不好好的那原來是可以引用國家安全但是我想委員的建議也很有道理我會找經濟部我們針對這一點來來做強化OK好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.458 --> 00:10.185\n謝謝主席我想請來劉靜慶劉主委好劉主委\n\n00:21.626 --> 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國防及戰略還有"},{"start":237.542,"end":260.995,"text":"資産卓越這三個部分大概就涵蓋了就是五大信貸產業所以我比較好奇的是在六大核心戰略當中的時候呢台灣精準醫療民生及戰備還有綠電及再生能源的部分就在整個五大信貸產業當中其實感覺是消失的那對於這個部分的時候主委這邊有沒有什麼要特別補充覺得說這樣的一個調整主要是在哪裡"},{"start":262.881,"end":290.254,"text":"基本上我們目前我們的看法是這樣六大核心戰略是要必須被延續的那五大信任產業是在這個延續的過程中我們要更大強化的區域那所以舉個例子在精準醫療的部分現在總統在推動健康台灣那他就有更大的包容性在這裡面所以他基本上他本身是一個持續性的政策推動"},{"start":290.974,"end":305.446,"text":"所以你認為六大核心災害還是整個持續的只是這個當中的時候把五個產業當中特別挑出來去做重點的一個強化是這個意思嗎因為我們必須建立於過去的基礎上繼續發展"},{"start":307.247,"end":322.259,"text":"那我想問一下針對那個目前其實在整個費用產業鏈當中的時候其實我們知道無人機大聯盟在台灣開始也非常的蓬勃針對這個部分的時候我們是不是有特別的一個政策傾斜要如何去做這無人機大聯盟"},{"start":323.32,"end":336.328,"text":"無人機的部分是我們現在是委由經濟部在主導成立了一個大聯盟那也成立了嘉義的無人機專區也有一些研究基地那我們現在從國科會也開始在輔導資助這個關鍵晶片的研發所以我們從整個晶片到它的陀螺儀也好到雲台也好整個"},{"start":350.936,"end":370.211,"text":"整個產業鏈我們都做了一個精密的分析因為無人機它真的很特殊因為目前也許台灣在發展的是一個商用無人機可是因為商用無人機跟軍用無人機來說坦白說在一線之隔那我在想說這個部分的時候我想無人機其實某一個部分其實是台灣有條件去發展"},{"start":371.132,"end":387.86,"text":"所以本席對這個部分其實也有一些相當的期待因為我覺得這個部分對台灣來說不管是從經濟角度或從安全的角度來看都會有一些注意所以我們希望這部分能夠特別的去加強好 謝謝那接下來是我想問一下其實因為就是"},{"start":389.962,"end":405.083,"text":"國發會這邊影響了很多跨單位的一個政策那107年的時候國發會出面主導的時候經濟部就公告了一個企業級法人申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習要點那這個實習要點當中的時候呢目前來看它就是"},{"start":407.014,"end":435.503,"text":"國外學生到台灣來實習那用的是停留簽證可以停留六個月六個月之後要再出去一次再進來六個月目前的機制是不是這樣子主委就我了解的是是這樣子我們也有接到業者的澄清跟反應我們也把這個意見反映到這個經濟部希望這個部分能夠有一些考慮目前我想他們還在政府的意見之間的整合"},{"start":436.823,"end":449.749,"text":"所以國發會這邊已經有把這個意見就是轉給了經濟部對不對因為時間太短尤其是李學業的反應比較多所以我們就把這個反應意見也給到了"},{"start":450.592,"end":475.478,"text":"OK那因為那個旅館業其實從今年今年可以改成兩年了旅屬業已經開放了對旅館業已經改成兩年了對這個就是我要問的接下來的點因為旅館業改成兩年非旅館業的部分都還是六個月而且他們用的簽證也都不一樣所以來台灣實習的學生所操作的對待也都不一樣所以本席在這邊是希望說能夠一體試用"},{"start":477.058,"end":495.114,"text":"也許都能夠比照旅宿業都讓他們來的時間長一點讓他們學習能夠完整一點然後針對這個部分您剛剛說您已經轉交給經濟部指的就是這個部分是不是我之前反映的是旅宿業我想您這邊有其他行業的話我也會會後會會找"},{"start":497.436,"end":515.414,"text":"我們希望所有的產業先能夠一體化不要一國兩制同樣一個外國學生到台灣來實習的狀態還有兩種不同的標準兩種被對待的方式好 那接下來的時候我再請教一個部分就是"},{"start":518.713,"end":541.749,"text":"我問一個啦,N-1的部分,剛剛很多委員都特別提到,我想問一下主委,N-1的部分,我們的法源依據是來自於哪裡,你知道嗎?N-1主要就我了解,原來只是對中國的部分,但是這個在審核技術上面,因為我們從國家安全的角度,我們會在這個,將來在這個投審的部分,我們也會特別關注這個領域。"},{"start":543.595,"end":564.186,"text":"因為你剛剛提到一個點就是因為N-1的原則是在大陸地區投資晶圓鑄造廠相關的部分的一個要點當中的一個部分因為N-1的法源依據在這裡那我們現在如果說要一體適用的時候那我在想說也許我們在法規面的部分也許要盡量讓它更完善一點"},{"start":565.086,"end":575.958,"text":"好不好好的那原來是可以引用國家安全但是我想委員的建議也很有道理我會找經濟部我們針對這一點來來做強化OK好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":420,"blocks":[["鄭委員正鈐：（10時54分）謝謝主席，我想請一下劉鏡清劉主委。"],["主席：好，劉主委。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：鄭委員早。"],["鄭委員正鈐：主委好。因為國家發展計畫每四年都會推一次，從您上來之後，您在去年8月推出一個新的版本，就是114年到117年的國家計畫。我發現你用了一個比較特別的字眼，你講到「後全球化的新冷戰時代」。我想問一下，從主委的角度來看，全球化的式微大概在什麼時候？碰到新冷戰時代的時候，臺灣應該要怎麼做才能夠跟上這樣的腳步？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：事實上全球化開始受到比較大的挑戰是從2017年就逐步開始；到了疫情期間，各國也紛紛發現必須擁有自己比較安全的供應鏈去穩固自己國家的安全，所以就開始以美國為首推動14017號法案進行安全供應鏈的推動，其實韌性供應鏈的推動在各個國家都有類似的現象開始發生。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以你講到全球化的時候，你覺得是從COVID-19之後開始做一些調整，你的定義是這樣子啦！OK，這沒問題……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：而且是從美中貿易開始、從2017年開始。"],["鄭委員正鈐：從美中貿易這個部分……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對，就出現了。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。針對這個部分，因為你特別提到針對大陸的和平崛起，大家覺得夢想幻滅，你這邊是不是有特別的訊息覺得說會進入武力崛起的過程？還是兩岸的衝突？你這邊是不是有得到特別的訊息？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們比較是從經濟的角度去看整個產業的發展，比較沒有從……"],["鄭委員正鈐：如果從經濟的角度來看，怎麼會……因為經濟就是一個和平崛起的動作，為什麼會覺得從經濟這個角度來看的時候，你們也不覺得它是一個和平崛起的過程？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：從過去中國的經濟而言，它也是一個和平的崛起，並沒有任何軍事的崛起。但現在它所面臨的壓力應該是在高速發展之後所產生的一些效應，包括全球化造成它的產業也開始在外移……"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，所以基本上因為是整個產業化的外移或者他們……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：它是從2017年開始進行外移……"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為它是經濟上的崛起，你覺得它其實還是一個和平崛起的過程，是不是？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對，它是和平的，但它遇到兩個問題：第一個是成本變高了；第二個是2017年美國加徵關稅之後，它的產業就開始進行外移。"],["鄭委員正鈐：對，可是成本變高跟產業外移基本上都還是一個和平的動作，因為我只是想針對這部分有一個定義上的瞭解。我本來想說你是國發會，也許會有一些特別的訊息，或更敏感覺得兩岸搞不好會有一些爭端或者是怎麼樣，如果沒有的話，我就進入下一個部分。","在109年蔡總統第二任期的時候，他提出了一個六大核心戰略，然後去年政府提出五大信賴產業，今天你在業務報告當中，也把五大信賴產業當作一個很重要的部分，在第一部分就特別去講，所以我就很認真的去看了六大核心戰略跟五大信賴產業當中的差別。五大信賴產業當中包括半導體、AI、軍工、安控跟次世代通訊等部分；而六大核心戰略產業當中，用字當然不一樣，可是基本上在資訊及數位、國防及戰略、資安卓越這三個部分大概就涵蓋了五大信賴產業。我比較好奇的是，六大核心戰略當中的臺灣精準醫療、民生及戰備、綠電及再生能源等部分卻感覺在五大信賴產業中消失了！對於這個部分，主委有沒有什麼要特別補充的？你覺得這樣的調整主要是差在哪裡？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：基本上目前我們的看法是，六大核心戰略是必須要被延續的，而五大信賴產業則是在這個延續的過程中，我們要更強化的區域。舉個例子，在精準醫療的部分，現在總統在推動健康臺灣，它就有更大的包容性在裡面，所以基本上它本身是一個持續性的政策推動。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以你認為六大核心戰略還是整個持續的，只是在這個當中把五個產業特別挑出來做重點的強化，是這個意思嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：是的，因為我們必須建立在過去的基礎上繼續發展，才不會浪費資源。"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。我想問一下，目前在整個非紅產業鏈當中，我們知道無人機大聯盟在臺灣也開始非常的蓬勃，針對這個部分，我們是不是有特別的政策傾斜，要如何去做無人機大聯盟？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：無人機的部分，我們現在是委由經濟部主導，成立了一個大聯盟，也成立了嘉義的無人機專區，也有一些研究基地，現在國科會也開始在輔導、資助關鍵晶片的研發，所以我們從整個晶片到它的陀螺儀也好，到雲台也好，整個產業鏈我們都做了一個精密的分析。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，因為無人機真的很特殊，目前也許臺灣在發展的是商用無人機，可是商用無人機跟軍用無人機，坦白說是一線之隔，我想無人機其實某一個部分臺灣有條件去發展，所以本席對這個部分其實也有一些相當的期待，因為我覺得這個部分對臺灣來說，不管是從經濟角度或從安全的角度來看，都會有一些助益，所以我們希望這部分能夠特別去加強。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好，謝謝。"],["鄭委員正鈐：接下來我想問一下，國發會影響了很多跨單位的政策，107年國發會出面主導的時候，經濟部就公告了企業及法人申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習要點，在這個實習要點當中，目前來看就是國外的學生到臺灣來實習，用的是停留簽證，可以停留6個月，6個月之後要再出去一次，再進來6個月，目前的機制是不是這樣子，主委？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：就我的了解是。"],["鄭委員正鈐：是這樣子喔。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們也有接到業者的陳情跟反映，也有把這個意見反映到經濟部，希望這個部分能夠有一些考慮，我想他們目前還在正負意見之間的整合。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以國發會這邊已經有把這個意見轉給經濟部，對不對？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為時間太短，然後還要再出國……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：尤其是旅宿業者反映的比較多，所以我們就把這個反映意見也給到。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，因為旅館業其實從今年……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：抱歉，今年可以改成2年了，旅宿業已經開放了。"],["鄭委員正鈐：對，旅館業已經改成2年了，這個就是我接下來要問的點，因為旅館業改成2年，非旅館業的部分都還是6個月，而且他們用的簽證也都不一樣，所以來臺灣實習的學生所遭受的對待也都不一樣，本席在這邊是希望能夠一體適用，也許都能夠比照旅宿業，讓他們來的時間長一點，讓他們的學習能夠完整一點。針對這個部分，您剛剛說已經轉交給經濟部，指的就是這個部分，是不是？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我之前反映的是旅宿業，我想您這邊有其他行業的話，會後我也會找……"],["鄭委員正鈐：我們希望所有的產業能夠一體化，不要一國兩制，同樣一個外國學生到臺灣來實習的狀態，還有兩種不同的標準、兩種被對待的方式。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好，謝謝委員。"],["鄭委員正鈐：接下來我再請教一下N-1的部分，剛剛很多委員都特別提到，我想問一下主委，N-1的部分，我們的法源依據是來自於哪裡，你知道嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：N-1就我的了解，原來只是對中國的部分，但是這個在審核技術上面，我們從國家安全的角度來看，將來在投審的部分也會特別關注這個領域。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，因為你剛剛提到一個點，就是N-1原則其實是在大陸地區投資晶圓鑄造廠相關部分的作業要點當中的一部分，N-1的法源依據在這裡，我們現在如果要一體適用，我想也許在法規面的部分要儘量讓它更完善一點，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好的，原來是可以引用國家安全，但是我想委員的建議也很有道理，我會找經濟部針對這一點來做強化。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，謝謝主委。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席（呂委員玉玲代）：請謝衣鳯召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":192,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-3","speakers":["謝衣鳯","林岱樺","邱議瑩","張啓楷","陳超明","楊瓊瓔","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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