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00:01:38,825\n跟委員報告因為這個負責處理的不在我這個層級但是就我的了解我們一直有持續的溝通那另外一個事情是說我們也有也有這個相關部會也在釐定這個萬一的因應措施那所以會在如果因為現在不知道結果是什麼所以所以等到有結果會有一些一系列的措施出現\n\n5\n00:01:39,585 --> 00:02:04,371\n所以目前我們還不了解這關稅編號的內容我們目前是有劇本然後有在溝通就是有scenario就是有一些就是我們演練的那個情境但是我們沒有辦法完全的掌握美國那邊也還沒有完全的確認嗎是不是應該是各國都在溝通但是各國都在準備劇本\n\n6\n00:02:05,532 --> 00:02:29,507\n所以各國都還不知道就是說他們所要面臨的這個問題是多少因為他是整個統籌在商務部到4月2號他才會正式的公佈因為他還會往上層到白宮嘛我們看到了其實現在就是他開針的這個對象裡面像加拿大墨西哥都是美國最第一第二名的這樣子前三名的這個進口國那\n\n7\n00:02:31,548 --> 00:02:56,691\n我們是我們是第八名喔對是不是對我們第八名但是對我們已經這邊有課徵到的是那個鋼鐵鋁的關稅對那如果未來他如果課徵對等關稅的時候我們台灣對有哪一些就是美國進口的產品那要課徵進口稅那如果\n\n8\n00:02:57,532 --> 00:03:19,866\n我們未來出口到美國的產品有哪一些會被美國科稅你的情境裡面按照美國的說法它有對等關稅的概念那其實稅則拿出來大概就可以看到了那我現在是有比較高層在負責這個部分的規劃我大概沒有辦法來回答這個問題\n\n9\n00:03:21,107 --> 00:03:24,872\n那這個規劃是有在進行中是我們副院長現在領導這個所以有多少進口關稅會被課對等關稅我們是相較是少的\n\n10\n00:03:36,670 --> 00:04:02,023\n它只有兩個原則一個就是降稅一個就是提稅只有兩個可能所以變因都存在但是因為每一個耗折都會不一樣舉個例子鋼鐵鋁增25%的稅因為台灣原來就是25%其實幾乎是沒有影響反而我們的競爭對手反而稅負提高了所以還是要看每一個不同產品的狀態有些產業我個人也去問過了\n\n11\n00:04:05,345 --> 00:04:29,945\n那有些產業像有些產業他認為如果全球一起爭他的競爭力不會改變那最主要一個點我也跟委員說明台灣一般來講這種貿易的交易都是採用FOB的報價就是離岸價格然後由進口商負責報稅報關稅然後付關稅進口所以在2017川普那一波的時候多數的稅金是由美國廠商\n\n12\n00:04:30,726 --> 00:04:51,791\n自行吸收但是也有部分廠商也有部分廠商他們覺得吸收不了就要求台灣的廠商搭配但是那要看每個廠商的bargainpower那bargainpower強的廠商是是就在上一波來講是沒有付關稅那有一些就會協助負擔這是他是一個協商的結果所以他整個的變動還是要看產業各個產業的情境\n\n13\n00:04:54,790 --> 00:05:12,749\n那但是因應這一波的關稅上漲調漲那也會造成了美國的物價上漲那美國物價上漲本來跟台灣是沒有相關性的但是如果我們有相關的產品出口到美國的時候那如果\n\n14\n00:05:13,910 --> 00:05:38,281\n在美國的廠商不下定那有可能他們預期就是說物價上漲導致於他們的銷量不好的情況下對於我們就會影響到我們國內的這樣子的製造業者那這一波就是大家非常擔心的也就是未來這個關稅的這個調整會不會影響到我們的出口的那個量\n\n15\n00:05:41,632 --> 00:05:57,581\n這個以2017、2018那個時候來看它的影響並沒有那麼大但這一波就比較要小心了因為這一波在原來2017、2018並沒有COVID-19造成的通膨跟戰爭造成通膨的因素但這一波是有\n\n16\n00:05:58,141 --> 00:06:23,312\n所以其实我们一直有在密切看每个月的美国零售指数跟这个就业的状态以及它的整个CPI的变动其实大家都在watch我们现在几乎是定期都在查这个数字这个数字会推估出来未来您提到这些情形存不存在因为我为什么会跟你说因为我已经有一些中小企业传产业者跟我说了\n\n17\n00:06:23,792 --> 00:06:43,803\n他們已經就是他們的訂單都縮減了那在這個情況下如果就是美國的消費的情況數字不清楚的情況下就會影響到台灣的相關的產業那如果這樣子的時候我們要如何因應那怎麼樣子協助台灣的產業度過這個我認為這也是非常重大的問題\n\n18\n00:06:44,563 --> 00:07:12,218\n這個大概實際要等負責單位提出來了我這邊講一下我們大概有幾個方向第一個就是出口的部分我們怎麼去降低成本包括在運費包括在保險這些地方另外在稅賦上面或是其他地方也沒有什麼可以補助的部分我們大概會依據產業別會有一些因應的措施等到出來以後我們就會依據那個狀況拿出我們的劇本\n\n19\n00:07:12,998 --> 00:07:28,337\n我們希望說行政部門真的要嚴加以待畢竟這個問題是非常嚴重的會影響到國內的這些傳產的業者那當然半導體也不用說了現在大家就在談半導體的問題嘛是不是那還有\n\n20\n00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:54,097\n那AI就是你這個就是你主摺了就是說我們AI我們說的是說到2028年我們AI的人才缺口會到達35萬人這是你們估計的那所以你有提出三個解方就是說高教人才產學共育還有延染外國人才這三方面那未來你如何\n\n21\n00:07:55,458 --> 00:08:23,135\n就是這三個部分你做的如何而且你在2025的階段性目標你能夠解決多少的AI人才的缺口我們目前有幾個在做的第一個是從校園校園我們推STAND的計畫就是讓一些非資訊科系的人可以去上資訊科系的課程那我們在去年這個部分已經達到了9萬多人了那第二個事情是我們從校外\n\n22\n00:08:24,676 --> 00:08:39,843\n輔導這個非資訊科技的在參加像從速發部這個經濟部輔導的民間包括甚至貢源院那國科會輔導的民間然後包括勞動部都有提供相關的畢業生的一些職業訓練\n\n23\n00:08:41,164 --> 00:09:08,033\n那這個訓練也會增加人數我們上次估了一下我們可以一年可以有大概12萬這樣的人數那另外一部分我們現在也會也會有橋外生的部分也會加入到這個領域來那另外我們最近如果我們的這個懶財專法這個公告之後我們也希望這個送去院來如果能過的話我們也希望利用這個懶財專法再吸引更多的人進來那你預計懶財專法可以吸引多少人\n\n24\n00:09:09,094 --> 00:09:30,615\n懶人尊法我們現在分兩階段第一個我們這邊做的是法令開放讓業者更容易進來那唯一比較能夠吸引到的會是稅賦的部分那稅賦的部分我們最近也會在利用那個時間去跟財政部去做溝通我們希望在稅賦上面能夠參考新加坡為標準來吸引\n\n25\n00:09:31,721 --> 00:09:42,852\n那這樣的話就會讓我們的稅負我們目前是這樣他的年薪超過300萬以上的部分我們給他打對折五年那我們希望把這個標準再往下降讓更多的人才肯進來\n\n26\n00:09:43,683 --> 00:10:08,130\n那雙重課稅呢?雙重課稅的部分雙重課稅是國與國之間那要看我們跟那些國家啦那目前我們比較有在進行中的是美國的部分那美國的部分在上一個會期是在眾議院那現在要等參議院那參議院現在是之前在拜登的時候在眾議院現在要等參議院的結果\n\n27\n00:10:08,971 --> 00:10:25,518\n那還有就是說我們根據GoogleCloud跟人工智慧科技基金會的那個發布的報告裡面說明其實台灣的企業當中有69.3%的多數員工對於AI的知識了解都非常的\n\n28\n00:10:26,403 --> 00:10:46,792\n都偏低那這個部分怎麼樣協調各部會因為如果我們對於AI的知識了解的偏低的情況下未來要推動整個AI的整體發展以及我們國家的就是AI產業的相關的這個競爭力的時候就評比各方面就會相當的低那這個部分我們要怎麼加強\n\n29\n00:10:48,438 --> 00:11:08,742\n對這個部分應該我會找這個速發部來討論我們怎麼去協助兩個部分一個是企業資訊的部分一個是我們怎麼去提供更多的資資庫讓企業在訓練上面可以引用這些資資庫的教師來幫忙那另外我們也會試著在\n\n30\n00:11:11,463 --> 00:11:23,847\n這個上市櫃協會這邊去這個公司相關的公司這邊去推動這樣的一個實質指導庫那另外就是我們現在有政府提供的一些教育訓練我們會更加的宣導去讓這個產業能夠派人來參加這樣的訓練好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7258\t9222\t好 謝謝主席 我想要請劉主委請劉主委\n18249\t46891\t早安主委我想要請問一下其實在昨天有一個非常重大的消息就是美國的財政部長貝森特他說4月2號的時候那各國都會收到一個關稅編號那這個關稅編號就代表了各國要進口到美國商品的這個關稅水準\n48683\t69211\t我想要請問主委的是我們到底有沒有跟美國預先有做任何的談判然後已經了解了這個關稅編號的內容以及我們即將要面對到的這樣子的一個關稅水準\n71343\t98825\t跟委員報告因為這個負責處理的不在我這個層級但是就我的了解我們一直有持續的溝通那另外一個事情是說我們也有也有這個相關部會也在釐定這個萬一的因應措施那所以會在如果因為現在不知道結果是什麼所以所以等到有結果會有一些一系列的措施出現\n99585\t124371\t所以目前我們還不了解這關稅編號的內容我們目前是有劇本然後有在溝通就是有scenario就是有一些就是我們演練的那個情境但是我們沒有辦法完全的掌握美國那邊也還沒有完全的確認嗎是不是應該是各國都在溝通但是各國都在準備劇本\n125532\t149507\t所以各國都還不知道就是說他們所要面臨的這個問題是多少因為他是整個統籌在商務部到4月2號他才會正式的公佈因為他還會往上層到白宮嘛我們看到了其實現在就是他開針的這個對象裡面像加拿大墨西哥都是美國最第一第二名的這樣子前三名的這個進口國那\n151548\t176691\t我們是我們是第八名喔對是不是對我們第八名但是對我們已經這邊有課徵到的是那個鋼鐵鋁的關稅對那如果未來他如果課徵對等關稅的時候我們台灣對有哪一些就是美國進口的產品那要課徵進口稅那如果\n177532\t199866\t我們未來出口到美國的產品有哪一些會被美國科稅你的情境裡面按照美國的說法它有對等關稅的概念那其實稅則拿出來大概就可以看到了那我現在是有比較高層在負責這個部分的規劃我大概沒有辦法來回答這個問題\n201107\t204872\t那這個規劃是有在進行中是我們副院長現在領導這個所以有多少進口關稅會被課對等關稅我們是相較是少的\n216670\t242023\t它只有兩個原則一個就是降稅一個就是提稅只有兩個可能所以變因都存在但是因為每一個耗折都會不一樣舉個例子鋼鐵鋁增25%的稅因為台灣原來就是25%其實幾乎是沒有影響反而我們的競爭對手反而稅負提高了所以還是要看每一個不同產品的狀態有些產業我個人也去問過了\n245345\t269945\t那有些產業像有些產業他認為如果全球一起爭他的競爭力不會改變那最主要一個點我也跟委員說明台灣一般來講這種貿易的交易都是採用FOB的報價就是離岸價格然後由進口商負責報稅報關稅然後付關稅進口所以在2017川普那一波的時候多數的稅金是由美國廠商\n270726\t291791\t自行吸收但是也有部分廠商也有部分廠商他們覺得吸收不了就要求台灣的廠商搭配但是那要看每個廠商的bargain 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power強的廠商是是就在上一波來講是沒有付關稅那有一些就會協助負擔這是他是一個協商的結果所以他整個的變動還是要看產業各個產業的情境\n294790\t312749\t那但是因應這一波的關稅上漲調漲那也會造成了美國的物價上漲那美國物價上漲本來跟台灣是沒有相關性的但是如果我們有相關的產品出口到美國的時候那如果\n313910\t338281\t在美國的廠商不下定那有可能他們預期就是說物價上漲導致於他們的銷量不好的情況下對於我們就會影響到我們國內的這樣子的製造業者那這一波就是大家非常擔心的也就是未來這個關稅的這個調整會不會影響到我們的出口的那個量\n341632\t357581\t這個以2017、2018那個時候來看它的影響並沒有那麼大但這一波就比較要小心了因為這一波在原來2017、2018並沒有COVID-19造成的通膨跟戰爭造成通膨的因素但這一波是有\n358141\t383312\t所以其实我们一直有在密切看每个月的美国零售指数跟这个就业的状态以及它的整个CPI的变动其实大家都在watch我们现在几乎是定期都在查这个数字这个数字会推估出来未来您提到这些情形存不存在因为我为什么会跟你说因为我已经有一些中小企业传产业者跟我说了\n383792\t403803\t他們已經就是他們的訂單都縮減了那在這個情況下如果就是美國的消費的情況數字不清楚的情況下就會影響到台灣的相關的產業那如果這樣子的時候我們要如何因應那怎麼樣子協助台灣的產業度過這個我認為這也是非常重大的問題\n404563\t432218\t這個大概實際要等負責單位提出來了我這邊講一下我們大概有幾個方向第一個就是出口的部分我們怎麼去降低成本包括在運費包括在保險這些地方另外在稅賦上面或是其他地方也沒有什麼可以補助的部分我們大概會依據產業別會有一些因應的措施等到出來以後我們就會依據那個狀況拿出我們的劇本\n432998\t448337\t我們希望說行政部門真的要嚴加以待畢竟這個問題是非常嚴重的會影響到國內的這些傳產的業者那當然半導體也不用說了現在大家就在談半導體的問題嘛是不是那還有\n450399\t474097\t那AI就是你這個就是你主摺了就是說我們AI我們說的是說到2028年我們AI的人才缺口會到達35萬人這是你們估計的那所以你有提出三個解方就是說高教人才產學共育還有延染外國人才這三方面那未來你如何\n475458\t503135\t就是這三個部分你做的如何而且你在2025的階段性目標你能夠解決多少的AI人才的缺口我們目前有幾個在做的第一個是從校園校園我們推STAND的計畫就是讓一些非資訊科系的人可以去上資訊科系的課程那我們在去年這個部分已經達到了9萬多人了那第二個事情是我們從校外\n504676\t519843\t輔導這個非資訊科技的在參加像從速發部這個經濟部輔導的民間包括甚至貢源院那國科會輔導的民間然後包括勞動部都有提供相關的畢業生的一些職業訓練\n521164\t548033\t那這個訓練也會增加人數我們上次估了一下我們可以一年可以有大概12萬這樣的人數那另外一部分我們現在也會也會有橋外生的部分也會加入到這個領域來那另外我們最近如果我們的這個懶財專法這個公告之後我們也希望這個送去院來如果能過的話我們也希望利用這個懶財專法再吸引更多的人進來那你預計懶財專法可以吸引多少人\n549094\t570615\t懶人尊法我們現在分兩階段第一個我們這邊做的是法令開放讓業者更容易進來那唯一比較能夠吸引到的會是稅賦的部分那稅賦的部分我們最近也會在利用那個時間去跟財政部去做溝通我們希望在稅賦上面能夠參考新加坡為標準來吸引\n571721\t582852\t那這樣的話就會讓我們的稅負我們目前是這樣他的年薪超過300萬以上的部分我們給他打對折五年那我們希望把這個標準再往下降讓更多的人才肯進來\n583683\t608130\t那雙重課稅呢?雙重課稅的部分雙重課稅是國與國之間那要看我們跟那些國家啦那目前我們比較有在進行中的是美國的部分那美國的部分在上一個會期是在眾議院那現在要等參議院那參議院現在是之前在拜登的時候在眾議院現在要等參議院的結果\n608971\t625518\t那還有就是說我們根據Google Cloud跟人工智慧科技基金會的那個發布的報告裡面說明其實台灣的企業當中有69.3%的多數員工對於AI的知識了解都非常的\n626403\t646792\t都偏低那這個部分怎麼樣協調各部會因為如果我們對於AI的知識了解的偏低的情況下未來要推動整個AI的整體發展以及我們國家的就是AI產業的相關的這個競爭力的時候就評比各方面就會相當的低那這個部分我們要怎麼加強\n648438\t668742\t對 這個部分應該我會找這個速發部來討論我們怎麼去協助兩個部分一個是企業資訊的部分一個是我們怎麼去提供更多的資資庫讓企業在訓練上面可以引用這些資資庫的教師來幫忙那另外我們也會試著在\n671463\t683847\t這個上市櫃協會這邊去這個公司相關的公司這邊去推動這樣的一個實質指導庫那另外就是我們現在有政府提供的一些教育訓練我們會更加的宣導去讓這個產業能夠派人來參加這樣的訓練好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我想要請劉主委請劉主委\n早安主委我想要請問一下其實在昨天有一個非常重大的消息就是美國的財政部長貝森特他說4月2號的時候那各國都會收到一個關稅編號那這個關稅編號就代表了各國要進口到美國商品的這個關稅水準\n我想要請問主委的是我們到底有沒有跟美國預先有做任何的談判然後已經了解了這個關稅編號的內容以及我們即將要面對到的這樣子的一個關稅水準\n跟委員報告因為這個負責處理的不在我這個層級但是就我的了解我們一直有持續的溝通那另外一個事情是說我們也有也有這個相關部會也在釐定這個萬一的因應措施那所以會在如果因為現在不知道結果是什麼所以所以等到有結果會有一些一系列的措施出現\n所以目前我們還不了解這關稅編號的內容我們目前是有劇本然後有在溝通就是有scenario就是有一些就是我們演練的那個情境但是我們沒有辦法完全的掌握美國那邊也還沒有完全的確認嗎是不是應該是各國都在溝通但是各國都在準備劇本\n所以各國都還不知道就是說他們所要面臨的這個問題是多少因為他是整個統籌在商務部到4月2號他才會正式的公佈因為他還會往上層到白宮嘛我們看到了其實現在就是他開針的這個對象裡面像加拿大墨西哥都是美國最第一第二名的這樣子前三名的這個進口國那\n我們是我們是第八名喔對是不是對我們第八名但是對我們已經這邊有課徵到的是那個鋼鐵鋁的關稅對那如果未來他如果課徵對等關稅的時候我們台灣對有哪一些就是美國進口的產品那要課徵進口稅那如果\n我們未來出口到美國的產品有哪一些會被美國科稅你的情境裡面按照美國的說法它有對等關稅的概念那其實稅則拿出來大概就可以看到了那我現在是有比較高層在負責這個部分的規劃我大概沒有辦法來回答這個問題\n那這個規劃是有在進行中是我們副院長現在領導這個所以有多少進口關稅會被課對等關稅我們是相較是少的\n它只有兩個原則一個就是降稅一個就是提稅只有兩個可能所以變因都存在但是因為每一個耗折都會不一樣舉個例子鋼鐵鋁增25%的稅因為台灣原來就是25%其實幾乎是沒有影響反而我們的競爭對手反而稅負提高了所以還是要看每一個不同產品的狀態有些產業我個人也去問過了\n那有些產業像有些產業他認為如果全球一起爭他的競爭力不會改變那最主要一個點我也跟委員說明台灣一般來講這種貿易的交易都是採用FOB的報價就是離岸價格然後由進口商負責報稅報關稅然後付關稅進口所以在2017川普那一波的時候多數的稅金是由美國廠商\n自行吸收但是也有部分廠商也有部分廠商他們覺得吸收不了就要求台灣的廠商搭配但是那要看每個廠商的bargain power那bargain power強的廠商是是就在上一波來講是沒有付關稅那有一些就會協助負擔這是他是一個協商的結果所以他整個的變動還是要看產業各個產業的情境\n那但是因應這一波的關稅上漲調漲那也會造成了美國的物價上漲那美國物價上漲本來跟台灣是沒有相關性的但是如果我們有相關的產品出口到美國的時候那如果\n在美國的廠商不下定那有可能他們預期就是說物價上漲導致於他們的銷量不好的情況下對於我們就會影響到我們國內的這樣子的製造業者那這一波就是大家非常擔心的也就是未來這個關稅的這個調整會不會影響到我們的出口的那個量\n這個以2017、2018那個時候來看它的影響並沒有那麼大但這一波就比較要小心了因為這一波在原來2017、2018並沒有COVID-19造成的通膨跟戰爭造成通膨的因素但這一波是有\n所以其实我们一直有在密切看每个月的美国零售指数跟这个就业的状态以及它的整个CPI的变动其实大家都在watch我们现在几乎是定期都在查这个数字这个数字会推估出来未来您提到这些情形存不存在因为我为什么会跟你说因为我已经有一些中小企业传产业者跟我说了\n他們已經就是他們的訂單都縮減了那在這個情況下如果就是美國的消費的情況數字不清楚的情況下就會影響到台灣的相關的產業那如果這樣子的時候我們要如何因應那怎麼樣子協助台灣的產業度過這個我認為這也是非常重大的問題\n這個大概實際要等負責單位提出來了我這邊講一下我們大概有幾個方向第一個就是出口的部分我們怎麼去降低成本包括在運費包括在保險這些地方另外在稅賦上面或是其他地方也沒有什麼可以補助的部分我們大概會依據產業別會有一些因應的措施等到出來以後我們就會依據那個狀況拿出我們的劇本\n我們希望說行政部門真的要嚴加以待畢竟這個問題是非常嚴重的會影響到國內的這些傳產的業者那當然半導體也不用說了現在大家就在談半導體的問題嘛是不是那還有\n那AI就是你這個就是你主摺了就是說我們AI我們說的是說到2028年我們AI的人才缺口會到達35萬人這是你們估計的那所以你有提出三個解方就是說高教人才產學共育還有延染外國人才這三方面那未來你如何\n就是這三個部分你做的如何而且你在2025的階段性目標你能夠解決多少的AI人才的缺口我們目前有幾個在做的第一個是從校園校園我們推STAND的計畫就是讓一些非資訊科系的人可以去上資訊科系的課程那我們在去年這個部分已經達到了9萬多人了那第二個事情是我們從校外\n輔導這個非資訊科技的在參加像從速發部這個經濟部輔導的民間包括甚至貢源院那國科會輔導的民間然後包括勞動部都有提供相關的畢業生的一些職業訓練\n那這個訓練也會增加人數我們上次估了一下我們可以一年可以有大概12萬這樣的人數那另外一部分我們現在也會也會有橋外生的部分也會加入到這個領域來那另外我們最近如果我們的這個懶財專法這個公告之後我們也希望這個送去院來如果能過的話我們也希望利用這個懶財專法再吸引更多的人進來那你預計懶財專法可以吸引多少人\n懶人尊法我們現在分兩階段第一個我們這邊做的是法令開放讓業者更容易進來那唯一比較能夠吸引到的會是稅賦的部分那稅賦的部分我們最近也會在利用那個時間去跟財政部去做溝通我們希望在稅賦上面能夠參考新加坡為標準來吸引\n那這樣的話就會讓我們的稅負我們目前是這樣他的年薪超過300萬以上的部分我們給他打對折五年那我們希望把這個標準再往下降讓更多的人才肯進來\n那雙重課稅呢?雙重課稅的部分雙重課稅是國與國之間那要看我們跟那些國家啦那目前我們比較有在進行中的是美國的部分那美國的部分在上一個會期是在眾議院那現在要等參議院那參議院現在是之前在拜登的時候在眾議院現在要等參議院的結果\n那還有就是說我們根據Google Cloud跟人工智慧科技基金會的那個發布的報告裡面說明其實台灣的企業當中有69.3%的多數員工對於AI的知識了解都非常的\n都偏低那這個部分怎麼樣協調各部會因為如果我們對於AI的知識了解的偏低的情況下未來要推動整個AI的整體發展以及我們國家的就是AI產業的相關的這個競爭力的時候就評比各方面就會相當的低那這個部分我們要怎麼加強\n對 這個部分應該我會找這個速發部來討論我們怎麼去協助兩個部分一個是企業資訊的部分一個是我們怎麼去提供更多的資資庫讓企業在訓練上面可以引用這些資資庫的教師來幫忙那另外我們也會試著在\n這個上市櫃協會這邊去這個公司相關的公司這邊去推動這樣的一個實質指導庫那另外就是我們現在有政府提供的一些教育訓練我們會更加的宣導去讓這個產業能夠派人來參加這樣的訓練好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.258 --> 00:09.222\n好謝謝主席我想要請劉主委請劉主委\n\n00:18.249 --> 00:46.891\n早安主委我想要請問一下其實在昨天有一個非常重大的消息就是美國的財政部長貝森特他說4月2號的時候那各國都會收到一個關稅編號那這個關稅編號就代表了各國要進口到美國商品的這個關稅水準\n\n00:48.683 --> 01:09.211\n我想要請問主委的是我們到底有沒有跟美國預先有做任何的談判然後已經了解了這個關稅編號的內容以及我們即將要面對到的這樣子的一個關稅水準\n\n01:11.343 --> 01:38.825\n跟委員報告因為這個負責處理的不在我這個層級但是就我的了解我們一直有持續的溝通那另外一個事情是說我們也有也有這個相關部會也在釐定這個萬一的因應措施那所以會在如果因為現在不知道結果是什麼所以所以等到有結果會有一些一系列的措施出現\n\n01:39.585 --> 02:04.371\n所以目前我們還不了解這關稅編號的內容我們目前是有劇本然後有在溝通就是有scenario就是有一些就是我們演練的那個情境但是我們沒有辦法完全的掌握美國那邊也還沒有完全的確認嗎是不是應該是各國都在溝通但是各國都在準備劇本\n\n02:05.532 --> 02:29.507\n所以各國都還不知道就是說他們所要面臨的這個問題是多少因為他是整個統籌在商務部到4月2號他才會正式的公佈因為他還會往上層到白宮嘛我們看到了其實現在就是他開針的這個對象裡面像加拿大墨西哥都是美國最第一第二名的這樣子前三名的這個進口國那\n\n02:31.548 --> 02:56.691\n我們是我們是第八名喔對是不是對我們第八名但是對我們已經這邊有課徵到的是那個鋼鐵鋁的關稅對那如果未來他如果課徵對等關稅的時候我們台灣對有哪一些就是美國進口的產品那要課徵進口稅那如果\n\n02:57.532 --> 03:19.866\n我們未來出口到美國的產品有哪一些會被美國科稅你的情境裡面按照美國的說法它有對等關稅的概念那其實稅則拿出來大概就可以看到了那我現在是有比較高層在負責這個部分的規劃我大概沒有辦法來回答這個問題\n\n03:21.107 --> 03:24.872\n那這個規劃是有在進行中是我們副院長現在領導這個所以有多少進口關稅會被課對等關稅我們是相較是少的\n\n03:36.670 --> 04:02.023\n它只有兩個原則一個就是降稅一個就是提稅只有兩個可能所以變因都存在但是因為每一個耗折都會不一樣舉個例子鋼鐵鋁增25%的稅因為台灣原來就是25%其實幾乎是沒有影響反而我們的競爭對手反而稅負提高了所以還是要看每一個不同產品的狀態有些產業我個人也去問過了\n\n04:05.345 --> 04:29.945\n那有些產業像有些產業他認為如果全球一起爭他的競爭力不會改變那最主要一個點我也跟委員說明台灣一般來講這種貿易的交易都是採用FOB的報價就是離岸價格然後由進口商負責報稅報關稅然後付關稅進口所以在2017川普那一波的時候多數的稅金是由美國廠商\n\n04:30.726 --> 04:51.791\n自行吸收但是也有部分廠商也有部分廠商他們覺得吸收不了就要求台灣的廠商搭配但是那要看每個廠商的bargainpower那bargainpower強的廠商是是就在上一波來講是沒有付關稅那有一些就會協助負擔這是他是一個協商的結果所以他整個的變動還是要看產業各個產業的情境\n\n04:54.790 --> 05:12.749\n那但是因應這一波的關稅上漲調漲那也會造成了美國的物價上漲那美國物價上漲本來跟台灣是沒有相關性的但是如果我們有相關的產品出口到美國的時候那如果\n\n05:13.910 --> 05:38.281\n在美國的廠商不下定那有可能他們預期就是說物價上漲導致於他們的銷量不好的情況下對於我們就會影響到我們國內的這樣子的製造業者那這一波就是大家非常擔心的也就是未來這個關稅的這個調整會不會影響到我們的出口的那個量\n\n05:41.632 --> 05:57.581\n這個以2017、2018那個時候來看它的影響並沒有那麼大但這一波就比較要小心了因為這一波在原來2017、2018並沒有COVID-19造成的通膨跟戰爭造成通膨的因素但這一波是有\n\n05:58.141 --> 06:23.312\n所以其实我们一直有在密切看每个月的美国零售指数跟这个就业的状态以及它的整个CPI的变动其实大家都在watch我们现在几乎是定期都在查这个数字这个数字会推估出来未来您提到这些情形存不存在因为我为什么会跟你说因为我已经有一些中小企业传产业者跟我说了\n\n06:23.792 --> 06:43.803\n他們已經就是他們的訂單都縮減了那在這個情況下如果就是美國的消費的情況數字不清楚的情況下就會影響到台灣的相關的產業那如果這樣子的時候我們要如何因應那怎麼樣子協助台灣的產業度過這個我認為這也是非常重大的問題\n\n06:44.563 --> 07:12.218\n這個大概實際要等負責單位提出來了我這邊講一下我們大概有幾個方向第一個就是出口的部分我們怎麼去降低成本包括在運費包括在保險這些地方另外在稅賦上面或是其他地方也沒有什麼可以補助的部分我們大概會依據產業別會有一些因應的措施等到出來以後我們就會依據那個狀況拿出我們的劇本\n\n07:12.998 --> 07:28.337\n我們希望說行政部門真的要嚴加以待畢竟這個問題是非常嚴重的會影響到國內的這些傳產的業者那當然半導體也不用說了現在大家就在談半導體的問題嘛是不是那還有\n\n07:30.399 --> 07:54.097\n那AI就是你這個就是你主摺了就是說我們AI我們說的是說到2028年我們AI的人才缺口會到達35萬人這是你們估計的那所以你有提出三個解方就是說高教人才產學共育還有延染外國人才這三方面那未來你如何\n\n07:55.458 --> 08:23.135\n就是這三個部分你做的如何而且你在2025的階段性目標你能夠解決多少的AI人才的缺口我們目前有幾個在做的第一個是從校園校園我們推STAND的計畫就是讓一些非資訊科系的人可以去上資訊科系的課程那我們在去年這個部分已經達到了9萬多人了那第二個事情是我們從校外\n\n08:24.676 --> 08:39.843\n輔導這個非資訊科技的在參加像從速發部這個經濟部輔導的民間包括甚至貢源院那國科會輔導的民間然後包括勞動部都有提供相關的畢業生的一些職業訓練\n\n08:41.164 --> 09:08.033\n那這個訓練也會增加人數我們上次估了一下我們可以一年可以有大概12萬這樣的人數那另外一部分我們現在也會也會有橋外生的部分也會加入到這個領域來那另外我們最近如果我們的這個懶財專法這個公告之後我們也希望這個送去院來如果能過的話我們也希望利用這個懶財專法再吸引更多的人進來那你預計懶財專法可以吸引多少人\n\n09:09.094 --> 09:30.615\n懶人尊法我們現在分兩階段第一個我們這邊做的是法令開放讓業者更容易進來那唯一比較能夠吸引到的會是稅賦的部分那稅賦的部分我們最近也會在利用那個時間去跟財政部去做溝通我們希望在稅賦上面能夠參考新加坡為標準來吸引\n\n09:31.721 --> 09:42.852\n那這樣的話就會讓我們的稅負我們目前是這樣他的年薪超過300萬以上的部分我們給他打對折五年那我們希望把這個標準再往下降讓更多的人才肯進來\n\n09:43.683 --> 10:08.130\n那雙重課稅呢?雙重課稅的部分雙重課稅是國與國之間那要看我們跟那些國家啦那目前我們比較有在進行中的是美國的部分那美國的部分在上一個會期是在眾議院那現在要等參議院那參議院現在是之前在拜登的時候在眾議院現在要等參議院的結果\n\n10:08.971 --> 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