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00:01:33,610\n最近我想之前也有討論就是還勞供七天假這個議題那最近大家也在討論說是不是這個假期能夠統一那我也想請教就是說如果我們在這個整個制度上面譬如說我們這個工時是不是有可能再做一個調整或者是我們目前的這個特休\n\n5\n00:01:35,004 --> 00:01:55,958\n特休是不是也有可能再做一個調整那如果說這個未來可能我們國民黨的委員可能會針對這個勞工七天假的這個議題可能會再修法那如果說是我們的話有沒有可能如果說不去修法的話那有沒有可能在我們這個特休這方面去做一個調整\n\n6\n00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:15,572\n跟黃委員說明其實因為今天也很多委員在討論國定假日是否有調整我說從勞動部的角度來說我們還是要表達這個法規的主管機關是在內政部那我們很願意參與這個部分的討論\n\n7\n00:02:16,713 --> 00:02:34,826\n那這當然從勞動部的角度來說我們認為國定假日的調整那我們很願意正向的來做相關的討論但是剛剛黃委員講到一個就是說關於要不要修法的問題這個要不要到立法院裡面用修法的形式或立法的形式\n\n8\n00:02:36,195 --> 00:02:50,961\n在國會裡面立法行事的部分的話因為勞動部是整個大的也是我們是大整個大的執政團隊的議員但就這個法規要用什麼形式來處理要不要進到立法院修法這部分當然我們會尊重內政部\n\n9\n00:02:51,601 --> 00:03:18,861\n我們會尊重內政部但國定假日需不需要調整或者是說要不要調整我們覺得是有討論的空間那這是不一樣的層次一個是要不要立法一個是一個要不要調整這是不太一樣的事情但要不要立法的部分這部分當然我們會尊重內政部因為內政部是法規的主管機關那部長我剛剛也有提到一個問題就是說那我們這個特休的部分有沒有可能也去做一個調整\n\n10\n00:03:19,561 --> 00:03:44,309\n我認為因為確實最近大家針對特休有一些討論但因為特休如果要調整的話也是要涉及到修法所以要涉及到修法都會需要這個需要社會上面有更多的共識或者是更多的討論是部分要涉及修法但我們願意來聽社會各界的想法因為我們也看到就是說可能我們整個\n\n11\n00:03:45,289 --> 00:04:01,937\n公時可能跟其他國家比起來可能也許是比較高一點那再來就是說我們台灣是以中小企業為多數很多如果說你要修到特休要修到這個15年可能15年以上可能就有這個15天5年\n\n12\n00:04:04,838 --> 00:04:23,386\n就是5到9年差不多15天嘛那10年後是每一年再加一天最高到30天嘛那我們知道就是說台灣的這個中小企業平均平均的這個就是一間中小企業的公司的平均收益差不多是13年\n\n13\n00:04:24,786 --> 00:04:52,224\n所以他如果說要到這個特休如果要到那個30天的話其實還是有他的困難所以我們是不是有可能就是說在這個特休方面可能也許可以再去做一個調整我記得在2016年那時候有去做一個調整那是不是可以再做一個也許在這方面是不是可以再做一些調整或是可以再做一些討論\n\n14\n00:04:53,982 --> 00:05:03,033\n我覺得這些相關的制度因為我剛才說確實工時的台灣工時的狀況是有改善所以我覺得我想我們都會聆聽各界的意見\n\n15\n00:05:04,482 --> 00:05:33,333\n好那就是還需要就是大家討論然後聽各界的聲音那我剛剛有特別提到就是說這個特休的部分那當然就是也是需要聽各界的這個聲音那我另外一個就是說我想請教就是說我們以前如果我們在那個人力銀行上面可能就是說這個求財那也許薪資方面可能就會寫免疫\n\n16\n00:05:34,373 --> 00:06:01,146\n可能就是薪資他沒有特定這樣去寫那後來有去做一個就做一個這個修正就是說如果是這個最低薪資或是三萬多的話也許你就是要去這個寫名薪資多少那也許是四萬以上就可以就是用免疫嘛那我覺得說這個部分我覺得應該揭露的話可能也許對勞工來講會是比較好的\n\n17\n00:06:05,823 --> 00:06:27,714\n確實就像剛剛黃媛說其實工時長也有一個原因是因為其實如果對很多比較低薪的勞工的話他就有部分低薪勞工他就覺得他可能會需要透過加班來提高收入那這當然是我們我們不會鼓勵不樂見看到這個狀況所以我們覺得其實有時候拉高薪資也會是一個降低工時的一個做法\n\n18\n00:06:28,214 --> 00:06:54,756\n那拉高薪資的做法第一個我們現在是透過最低工資的持續的提升這是一個第二個就是關於薪資透明化所以接下來關於薪資透明化我們也希望能夠把這個從4萬以下要揭露變成是拉高是5萬以下就要揭露那這個會來修訂就業服務法那目前這也是在行政院的經濟發展委員會裡面其實有確認那我們現在也在準備這個法規修訂相關的準備\n\n19\n00:06:55,737 --> 00:07:22,589\n所以目前也是在行政院這邊我們現在正在法官修訂的準備就是希望把4萬要揭露提高到5萬要揭露我想請教就是說其實我們以前中央政府部門如果是約聘僱或者是約聘約用人員可能勞務承攬的有的都是用最低薪資\n\n20\n00:07:23,709 --> 00:07:39,549\n那現在就是說對於我們公務單位的這個月聘僱承攬承攬人員他的薪資現在已經這個月薪最低薪資就是月薪的用最低薪資的1.1倍那大約是3萬3萬1千\n\n21\n00:07:42,552 --> 00:07:58,387\n449元那這個是用公務單位這邊來算就是說不是用最低薪資是用最低薪資的1.1倍那就差不多3萬1千多那我想請教就是說這個有沒有可能就是勞動部去對於一些企業\n\n22\n00:07:59,548 --> 00:08:12,900\n是不是你們也可以去鼓勵或者是擴及到全國的企業就是說用最低薪資來聘用是不是我覺得說這方面應該勞動部也可以去鼓勵\n\n23\n00:08:15,441 --> 00:08:41,699\n陳蘭只要是你適用勞基法的勞工的話一定都是要用最低薪資以上的那我們現在當然我們很希望去鼓勵企業不只是給最低薪資甚至該給更高所以可能比方說我們最近其實也會有一些工會他用團體協約的方式或者是我們也在想用其他的方式來協助或刺激企業其實可以更大的加薪我覺得部長你應該從\n\n24\n00:08:44,200 --> 00:09:11,018\n現在已經從我們自己的這個公部門開始那我覺得國營事業我覺得應該也可以去要求或者是鼓勵他們希望能夠用最低薪資的這樣的1.1倍來聘用我覺得這個也是一方面就是從政府做起啦是當然我們來跟相關的事業單位來討論一下這個事情我們希望是這樣子來做那這個最後一根就是說\n\n25\n00:09:12,760 --> 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當然我們來跟相關的事業單位來討論一下這個事情我們希望是這樣子來做那這個最後一根就是說\n552760\t580200\t最近大家希望就是說我剛剛講的這個國定假日也好那或者是那個國定假日能夠一致啦那其實我有一個想法就是說如果未來我們如果不透過這個修法的話那又可以讓所有勞工或者是公務人員大家休假又比較一致的話我覺得在春節方面的這個休假會不會是一致會更好\n580740\t601327\t因為我們如果以今年的這個春節來講的話其實我們今年的春節有九天嘛那到明年2026年的這個春節也許只剩下六天如果沒有彈性放假的話可能就剩下六天那如果說要讓我們所有的國人放假是一致的\n602227\t625974\t我覺得可以朝著這個春節然後又讓勞工勞工的這個工時又不會那麼長然後大家春節全國一致放假而且未來就是如果是一致放假的話就是都有九天我覺得這個也是皆大歡喜我相信請部長如果說跟行政單位大家在討論的話我覺得可以朝著這個方向去思考\n626494\t649729\t我還是要說因為這個國家的主管單位在法規主管單位內政部但是就像這些相關的提案相關的想法的討論其實我們都是正面看待然後我們也願意一起參與這些討論我們正面看待也願意參與討論但是確實就是針對最後法規要用什麼形式要不要進到立法院立法這部分我們當然還是尊重內政部是好謝謝\n","txt":"現在請黃熊委員來做懸檔謝謝主席 我們請部長來 有請部長嘿\n部長好部長我最近看到就是說我們勞動部也揭露就是這個國際工時的比較那這個從這個比較當中我們也看到台灣的這個2023年的這個人均工時達到2020個小時那在全球主要國家當中是排第五\n第五高那亞洲的話是第二高那我不知道說部長你看到這個調查之後你的感想是怎樣你有看到這個我當然認為就台灣的工時的問題的話我們當然有可以改善的空間是有改善的空間嗎我們當然覺得是好那部長我想請教因為之前\n最近我想之前也有討論就是還勞供七天假這個議題那最近大家也在討論說是不是這個假期能夠統一那我也想請教就是說如果我們在這個整個制度上面譬如說我們這個工時是不是有可能再做一個調整或者是我們目前的這個特休\n特休是不是也有可能再做一個調整那如果說這個未來可能我們國民黨的委員可能會針對這個勞工七天假的這個議題可能會再修法那如果說是我們的話有沒有可能如果說不去修法的話那有沒有可能在我們這個特休這方面去做一個調整\n跟黃委員說明其實因為今天也很多委員在討論國定假日是否有調整我說從勞動部的角度來說我們還是要表達這個法規的主管機關是在內政部那我們很願意參與這個部分的討論\n那這當然從勞動部的角度來說我們認為國定假日的調整那我們很願意正向的來做相關的討論但是剛剛黃委員講到一個就是說關於要不要修法的問題這個要不要到立法院裡面用修法的形式或立法的形式\n在國會裡面立法行事的部分的話因為勞動部是整個大的也是我們是大整個大的執政團隊的議員但就這個法規要用什麼形式來處理要不要進到立法院修法這部分當然我們會尊重內政部\n我們會尊重內政部但國定假日需不需要調整或者是說要不要調整我們覺得是有討論的空間那這是不一樣的層次一個是要不要立法一個是一個要不要調整這是不太一樣的事情但要不要立法的部分這部分當然我們會尊重內政部因為內政部是法規的主管機關那部長我剛剛也有提到一個問題就是說那我們這個特休的部分有沒有可能也去做一個調整\n我認為因為確實最近大家針對特休有一些討論但因為特休如果要調整的話也是要涉及到修法所以要涉及到修法都會需要這個需要社會上面有更多的共識或者是更多的討論是部分要涉及修法但我們願意來聽社會各界的想法因為我們也看到就是說可能我們整個\n公時可能跟其他國家比起來可能也許是比較高一點那再來就是說我們台灣是以中小企業為多數很多如果說你要修到特休要修到這個15年可能15年以上可能就有這個15天5年\n就是5到9年差不多15天嘛那10年後是每一年再加一天最高到30天嘛那我們知道就是說台灣的這個中小企業平均平均的這個就是一間中小企業的公司的平均收益差不多是13年\n所以他如果說要到這個特休如果要到那個30天的話其實還是有他的困難所以我們是不是有可能就是說在這個特休方面可能也許可以再去做一個調整我記得在2016年那時候有去做一個調整那是不是可以再做一個也許在這方面是不是可以再做一些調整或是可以再做一些討論\n我覺得這些相關的制度因為我剛才說確實工時的台灣工時的狀況是有改善所以我覺得我想我們都會聆聽各界的意見\n好 那就是還需要就是大家討論然後聽各界的聲音那我剛剛有特別提到就是說這個特休的部分那當然就是也是需要聽各界的這個聲音那我另外一個就是說我想請教就是說我們以前如果我們在那個人力銀行上面可能就是說這個求財那也許薪資方面可能就會寫免疫\n可能就是薪資他沒有特定這樣去寫那後來有去做一個就做一個這個修正就是說如果是這個最低薪資或是三萬多的話也許你就是要去這個寫名薪資多少那也許是四萬以上就可以就是用免疫嘛那我覺得說這個部分我覺得應該揭露的話可能也許對勞工來講會是比較好的\n確實就像剛剛黃媛說其實工時長也有一個原因是因為其實如果對很多比較低薪的勞工的話他就有部分低薪勞工他就覺得他可能會需要透過加班來提高收入那這當然是我們我們不會鼓勵不樂見看到這個狀況所以我們覺得其實有時候拉高薪資也會是一個降低工時的一個做法\n那拉高薪資的做法第一個我們現在是透過最低工資的持續的提升這是一個第二個就是關於薪資透明化所以接下來關於薪資透明化我們也希望能夠把這個從4萬以下要揭露變成是拉高是5萬以下就要揭露那這個會來修訂就業服務法那目前這也是在行政院的經濟發展委員會裡面其實有確認那我們現在也在準備這個法規修訂相關的準備\n所以目前也是在行政院這邊我們現在正在法官修訂的準備就是希望把4萬要揭露提高到5萬要揭露我想請教就是說其實我們以前中央政府部門如果是約聘僱或者是約聘約用人員可能勞務承攬的有的都是用最低薪資\n那現在就是說對於我們公務單位的這個月聘僱承攬承攬人員他的薪資現在已經這個月薪最低薪資就是月薪的用最低薪資的1.1倍那大約是3萬3萬1千\n449元那這個是用公務單位這邊來算就是說不是用最低薪資是用最低薪資的1.1倍那就差不多3萬1千多那我想請教就是說這個有沒有可能就是勞動部去對於一些企業\n是不是你們也可以去鼓勵或者是擴及到全國的企業就是說用最低薪資來聘用是不是我覺得說這方面應該勞動部也可以去鼓勵\n陳蘭只要是你適用勞基法的勞工的話一定都是要用最低薪資以上的那我們現在當然我們很希望去鼓勵企業不只是給最低薪資甚至該給更高所以可能比方說我們最近其實也會有一些工會他用團體協約的方式或者是我們也在想用其他的方式來協助或刺激企業其實可以更大的加薪我覺得部長你應該從\n現在已經從我們自己的這個公部門開始那我覺得國營事業我覺得應該也可以去要求或者是鼓勵他們希望能夠用最低薪資的這樣的1.1倍來聘用我覺得這個也是一方面就是從政府做起啦是 當然我們來跟相關的事業單位來討論一下這個事情我們希望是這樣子來做那這個最後一根就是說\n最近大家希望就是說我剛剛講的這個國定假日也好那或者是那個國定假日能夠一致啦那其實我有一個想法就是說如果未來我們如果不透過這個修法的話那又可以讓所有勞工或者是公務人員大家休假又比較一致的話我覺得在春節方面的這個休假會不會是一致會更好\n因為我們如果以今年的這個春節來講的話其實我們今年的春節有九天嘛那到明年2026年的這個春節也許只剩下六天如果沒有彈性放假的話可能就剩下六天那如果說要讓我們所有的國人放假是一致的\n我覺得可以朝著這個春節然後又讓勞工勞工的這個工時又不會那麼長然後大家春節全國一致放假而且未來就是如果是一致放假的話就是都有九天我覺得這個也是皆大歡喜我相信請部長如果說跟行政單位大家在討論的話我覺得可以朝著這個方向去思考\n我還是要說因為這個國家的主管單位在法規主管單位內政部但是就像這些相關的提案相關的想法的討論其實我們都是正面看待然後我們也願意一起參與這些討論我們正面看待也願意參與討論但是確實就是針對最後法規要用什麼形式要不要進到立法院立法這部分我們當然還是尊重內政部是好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:09.680\n現在請黃熊委員來做懸檔謝謝主席我們請部長來有請部長嘿\n\n00:18.871 --> 00:41.077\n部長好部長我最近看到就是說我們勞動部也揭露就是這個國際工時的比較那這個從這個比較當中我們也看到台灣的這個2023年的這個人均工時達到2020個小時那在全球主要國家當中是排第五\n\n00:41.637 --> 01:06.947\n第五高那亞洲的話是第二高那我不知道說部長你看到這個調查之後你的感想是怎樣你有看到這個我當然認為就台灣的工時的問題的話我們當然有可以改善的空間是有改善的空間嗎我們當然覺得是好那部長我想請教因為之前\n\n01:08.267 --> 01:33.610\n最近我想之前也有討論就是還勞供七天假這個議題那最近大家也在討論說是不是這個假期能夠統一那我也想請教就是說如果我們在這個整個制度上面譬如說我們這個工時是不是有可能再做一個調整或者是我們目前的這個特休\n\n01:35.004 --> 01:55.958\n特休是不是也有可能再做一個調整那如果說這個未來可能我們國民黨的委員可能會針對這個勞工七天假的這個議題可能會再修法那如果說是我們的話有沒有可能如果說不去修法的話那有沒有可能在我們這個特休這方面去做一個調整\n\n01:58.720 --> 02:15.572\n跟黃委員說明其實因為今天也很多委員在討論國定假日是否有調整我說從勞動部的角度來說我們還是要表達這個法規的主管機關是在內政部那我們很願意參與這個部分的討論\n\n02:16.713 --> 02:34.826\n那這當然從勞動部的角度來說我們認為國定假日的調整那我們很願意正向的來做相關的討論但是剛剛黃委員講到一個就是說關於要不要修法的問題這個要不要到立法院裡面用修法的形式或立法的形式\n\n02:36.195 --> 02:50.961\n在國會裡面立法行事的部分的話因為勞動部是整個大的也是我們是大整個大的執政團隊的議員但就這個法規要用什麼形式來處理要不要進到立法院修法這部分當然我們會尊重內政部\n\n02:51.601 --> 03:18.861\n我們會尊重內政部但國定假日需不需要調整或者是說要不要調整我們覺得是有討論的空間那這是不一樣的層次一個是要不要立法一個是一個要不要調整這是不太一樣的事情但要不要立法的部分這部分當然我們會尊重內政部因為內政部是法規的主管機關那部長我剛剛也有提到一個問題就是說那我們這個特休的部分有沒有可能也去做一個調整\n\n03:19.561 --> 03:44.309\n我認為因為確實最近大家針對特休有一些討論但因為特休如果要調整的話也是要涉及到修法所以要涉及到修法都會需要這個需要社會上面有更多的共識或者是更多的討論是部分要涉及修法但我們願意來聽社會各界的想法因為我們也看到就是說可能我們整個\n\n03:45.289 --> 04:01.937\n公時可能跟其他國家比起來可能也許是比較高一點那再來就是說我們台灣是以中小企業為多數很多如果說你要修到特休要修到這個15年可能15年以上可能就有這個15天5年\n\n04:04.838 --> 04:23.386\n就是5到9年差不多15天嘛那10年後是每一年再加一天最高到30天嘛那我們知道就是說台灣的這個中小企業平均平均的這個就是一間中小企業的公司的平均收益差不多是13年\n\n04:24.786 --> 04:52.224\n所以他如果說要到這個特休如果要到那個30天的話其實還是有他的困難所以我們是不是有可能就是說在這個特休方面可能也許可以再去做一個調整我記得在2016年那時候有去做一個調整那是不是可以再做一個也許在這方面是不是可以再做一些調整或是可以再做一些討論\n\n04:53.982 --> 05:03.033\n我覺得這些相關的制度因為我剛才說確實工時的台灣工時的狀況是有改善所以我覺得我想我們都會聆聽各界的意見\n\n05:04.482 --> 05:33.333\n好那就是還需要就是大家討論然後聽各界的聲音那我剛剛有特別提到就是說這個特休的部分那當然就是也是需要聽各界的這個聲音那我另外一個就是說我想請教就是說我們以前如果我們在那個人力銀行上面可能就是說這個求財那也許薪資方面可能就會寫免疫\n\n05:34.373 --> 06:01.146\n可能就是薪資他沒有特定這樣去寫那後來有去做一個就做一個這個修正就是說如果是這個最低薪資或是三萬多的話也許你就是要去這個寫名薪資多少那也許是四萬以上就可以就是用免疫嘛那我覺得說這個部分我覺得應該揭露的話可能也許對勞工來講會是比較好的\n\n06:05.823 --> 06:27.714\n確實就像剛剛黃媛說其實工時長也有一個原因是因為其實如果對很多比較低薪的勞工的話他就有部分低薪勞工他就覺得他可能會需要透過加班來提高收入那這當然是我們我們不會鼓勵不樂見看到這個狀況所以我們覺得其實有時候拉高薪資也會是一個降低工時的一個做法\n\n06:28.214 --> 06:54.756\n那拉高薪資的做法第一個我們現在是透過最低工資的持續的提升這是一個第二個就是關於薪資透明化所以接下來關於薪資透明化我們也希望能夠把這個從4萬以下要揭露變成是拉高是5萬以下就要揭露那這個會來修訂就業服務法那目前這也是在行政院的經濟發展委員會裡面其實有確認那我們現在也在準備這個法規修訂相關的準備\n\n06:55.737 --> 07:22.589\n所以目前也是在行政院這邊我們現在正在法官修訂的準備就是希望把4萬要揭露提高到5萬要揭露我想請教就是說其實我們以前中央政府部門如果是約聘僱或者是約聘約用人員可能勞務承攬的有的都是用最低薪資\n\n07:23.709 --> 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