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00:00:44,607\n那其實我也知道說這幾年內政部非常努力在推防災事的培訓嘛還有另外一個是任性社區的標章所以我還是先想要請教一下目前內政部的進度我知道說目前這個任性社區你們推的標章啊我們高雄總共有拿到19個\n\n3\n00:00:45,828 --> 00:00:51,835\n那當然我也認為說還要不斷的努力推廣才行因為這個對於高雄來說非常重要尤其是我剛剛講的工業管線的部分那我也要講啊其實過去幾年我在高雄也不斷的倡議說這個大社工業區的降編案到現在都還卡關當中\n\n4\n00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:16,815\n那卡關到現在廠區還沒有遷走會造成什麼影響呢就是其實我們還是有非常多的工業管線是經過市區的也經過我的選區那甚至我盤點了一下這些工業管線經過市區總共會經過160個里\n\n5\n00:01:21,397 --> 00:01:27,507\n也就是說這一些工業管線經過的里周遭的里就有160個那這160個里我去對了一下跟目前19個拿到任性社區的標章的總共只有兩個\n\n6\n00:01:35,788 --> 00:01:49,375\n周邊的里拿到任性社區的標章什麼意思呢就是我們認為任性社區很重要就是你們要有很有很了解這個防災相關的一些基本的知識那也在面對這些風險的時候基本上可以作為一個任性社區來應對這樣的災害可是當我去比對之後發現說160個裡面拿到任性社區的標章的竟然只有兩個\n\n7\n00:01:59,801 --> 00:02:13,275\n那是不是應該要努力的在讓這一些周邊的離別不管是防災的演練然後努力的多培育這一些防災市然後最後可以多拿到這些韌性社區呢各位報告我們推動韌性社區是從2023年開始\n\n8\n00:02:20,144 --> 00:02:47,551\n因為它有一個過程每一個過程大概都要花兩年的時間從一星到三星讓它能夠建構一個自主尾運的能力以目前委員剛剛所提到的的確是一個我們要去檢討的問題就是說以大社工業區做例子這樣的一個具有高度的危險性的一個空間我們在它周遭的社區應該要去做比較多的輔導跟任性社區一個推動這部分我們去做檢討\n\n9\n00:02:48,373 --> 00:03:03,565\n好謝謝次長的承諾因為我相信次長也非常關心過去我們高雄的這些災害風險的情形那再來要繼續請教這個其實工業管線是不是今天經濟部也有請我們產業管理局的副局長\n\n10\n00:03:05,356 --> 00:03:12,781\n因為這個我剛剛想要延續這個工業管線的部分跟經濟部就非常有關係因為我知道說其實經濟部也有在做工業管線的社區防災演練嘛那可是就我所知就是每次參加的人員就其實是很難傳承跟維繫的也就是說目前這個社區的演練的成效到底如何其實不得而知然後強度跟次數我也認為非常不夠\n\n11\n00:03:31,913 --> 00:03:55,424\n因為我認為高雄是非常需要作為一個韌性城市的一個地方那在這樣的基礎之下我不知道說經濟部對於高雄的這些照顧到底到哪裡了那目前就我所知啦尤其是這些防災演練是你們辦的嘛但其實你們也跟地方的防災是沒有任何的連結也就是說你們防災演練沒有邀他們參與然後你們在處理工業管線的問題的時候其實我們地方的防災是\n\n12\n00:04:01,607 --> 00:04:26,838\n跟你們沒有任何的關係耶是這樣子嗎謝謝委員的詮詢跟委員報告其實針對我們目前相關的工業管線部分的工業區其實我們都有所謂的區域聯防的概念那實際上來講我們都會要求業者他必須要去提供相關的維管的計畫還有他一些演練那當然我們也會會同地方政府做一些查核還有就是配合地方來做所謂的緊急應變的這些相關的演練\n\n13\n00:04:29,219 --> 00:04:46,618\n那我想委員剛剛您所垂詢關心的那我們確實都有在努力在做那如果說委員希望我們有更進一步的一個資訊我們再提供給委員讓您做一些我們的指導好謝謝這個副局長喔這就是我想要講的因為就我所知目前房災市比較算是內政部底下隸屬的那\n\n14\n00:04:48,340 --> 00:05:07,748\n那變得說在我們在防防裡面就只有風災火災然後爆炸然後火山災害是屬於內政部管理的那可是裡面零零種種22種的災害類型是不是其他的類型就沒有辦法讓我們去由這個防災市來做第一線社區的聯防跟協助呢\n\n15\n00:05:08,996 --> 00:05:22,974\n我想有關於整個防災是後續的整個規劃可能我們就會來遵循就是未來內政部他所奠定相關的規範那如果有需要我們要納入我們的整個工業管線的防災計畫的話我們也會來做配合來做辦理\n\n16\n00:05:23,675 --> 00:05:44,652\n好這就是我希望因為今天既然兩個部會都在這裡就是其實啊在我們這裡面有隸屬7個部會22種災害類型那也就是說部會很多災害類型很多種但是最後防災是能夠協助到的社區的部分都只有我剛剛說的這幾種災害類型那我會覺得很可惜就以高雄來說如果就是這些工業管線一時之間有一些氣體的洩漏\n\n17\n00:05:48,735 --> 00:06:10,587\n那一時之間社區遇到災害類型是這邊說的例如說包括說如果是森林火災或是動植物的災難或是路上交通的事故化學物質或者是任何像是防疫這個生物病人的災害這些其他類型的災害發生的時候防災是到底可以起什麼作用這是我好奇的那是不是這部分也請次長來補充\n\n18\n00:06:14,322 --> 00:06:34,780\n好謝謝委員的問題我想防災式的訓練我們基本上是採取一個全災型的訓練並沒有針對特定的災害然後只訓練某些災害類型那麼我們在22種災害裡面其實防災式的訓練是希望他們能夠自救跟互助所以它不是一個非常的\n\n19\n00:06:35,501 --> 00:07:00,539\n高度專業的這樣的一個培訓那剛剛委員所提到的內政部主管的災害之外比如說我們的經濟部主管的水災跟農業部所主管的土石流我們都有防災室的參與他們也會在社區的層級去參與這些活動那這些委員所垂詢的關於工業管線災害的部分我們在社區的培訓裡面我們會培訓防災室對於察覺危險\n\n20\n00:07:02,140 --> 00:07:26,622\n這件事情還有疏散這件事情我們會培訓他們但如果要提到實際上去救災的話那就變成是專業部門的事所以我們會對這個事情會去做一個區隔好謝謝次長的補充那其實我也很肯定內政部啦因為其實這兩年推動這個防災式啊我們地方上反應也蠻好的那包括里長都帶頭找里民去上課然後取得這個訓練然後現在我們高雄就已經有3664位了\n\n21\n00:07:28,684 --> 00:07:32,091\n那我也希望持續的努力推廣然後擴大到社區讓社區成為韌性的社區好謝謝次長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1596\t4517\t好 謝謝主席 我們請馬次長好 請馬次長委員早安好 次長早 今天其實大家在討論這個災防法那我認為高雄其實在扮演非常重要的角色是因為高雄的11年前的氣爆案之後整個高雄都不斷地在討論說這個工業管線的問題到底要怎麼解決\n28226\t44607\t那其實我也知道說這幾年內政部非常努力在推防災事的培訓嘛還有另外一個是任性社區的標章所以我還是先想要請教一下目前內政部的進度我知道說目前這個任性社區你們推的標章啊我們高雄總共有拿到19個\n45828\t51835\t那當然我也認為說還要不斷的努力推廣才行因為這個對於高雄來說非常重要尤其是我剛剛講的工業管線的部分那我也要講啊其實過去幾年我在高雄也不斷的倡議說這個大社工業區的降編案到現在都還卡關當中\n64250\t76815\t那卡關到現在廠區還沒有遷走會造成什麼影響呢就是其實我們還是有非常多的工業管線是經過市區的也經過我的選區那甚至我盤點了一下這些工業管線經過市區總共會經過160個里\n81397\t87507\t也就是說這一些工業管線經過的里周遭的里就有160個那這160個里我去對了一下跟目前19個拿到任性社區的標章的總共只有兩個\n95788\t109375\t周邊的里拿到任性社區的標章什麼意思呢就是我們認為任性社區很重要就是你們要有很有很了解這個防災相關的一些基本的知識那也在面對這些風險的時候基本上可以作為一個任性社區來應對這樣的災害可是當我去比對之後發現說160個裡面拿到任性社區的標章的竟然只有兩個\n119801\t133275\t那是不是應該要努力的在讓這一些周邊的離別不管是防災的演練然後努力的多培育這一些防災市然後最後可以多拿到這些韌性社區呢各位報告我們推動韌性社區是從2023年開始\n140144\t167551\t因為它有一個過程每一個過程大概都要花兩年的時間從一星到三星讓它能夠建構一個自主尾運的能力以目前委員剛剛所提到的的確是一個我們要去檢討的問題就是說以大社工業區做例子這樣的一個具有高度的危險性的一個空間我們在它周遭的社區應該要去做比較多的輔導跟任性社區一個推動這部分我們去做檢討\n168373\t183565\t好 謝謝次長的承諾因為我相信次長也非常關心過去我們高雄的這些災害風險的情形那再來要繼續請教這個其實工業管線是不是今天經濟部也有請我們產業管理局的副局長\n185356\t192781\t因為這個我剛剛想要延續這個工業管線的部分跟經濟部就非常有關係因為我知道說其實經濟部也有在做工業管線的社區防災演練嘛那可是就我所知就是每次參加的人員就其實是很難傳承跟維繫的也就是說目前這個社區的演練的成效到底如何其實不得而知然後強度跟次數我也認為非常不夠\n211913\t235424\t因為我認為高雄是非常需要作為一個韌性城市的一個地方那在這樣的基礎之下我不知道說經濟部對於高雄的這些照顧到底到哪裡了那目前就我所知啦尤其是這些防災演練是你們辦的嘛但其實你們也跟地方的防災是沒有任何的連結也就是說你們防災演練沒有邀他們參與然後你們在處理工業管線的問題的時候其實我們地方的防災是\n241607\t266838\t跟你們沒有任何的關係耶是這樣子嗎謝謝委員的詮詢跟委員報告其實針對我們目前相關的工業管線部分的工業區其實我們都有所謂的區域聯防的概念那實際上來講我們都會要求業者他必須要去提供相關的維管的計畫還有他一些演練那當然我們也會會同地方政府做一些查核還有就是配合地方來做所謂的緊急應變的這些相關的演練\n269219\t286618\t那我想委員剛剛您所垂詢關心的那我們確實都有在努力在做那如果說委員希望我們有更進一步的一個資訊我們再提供給委員讓您做一些我們的指導好謝謝這個副局長喔這就是我想要講的因為就我所知目前房災市比較算是內政部底下隸屬的那\n288340\t307748\t那變得說在我們在防防裡面就只有風災火災然後爆炸然後火山災害是屬於內政部管理的那可是裡面零零種種22種的災害類型是不是其他的類型就沒有辦法讓我們去由這個防災市來做第一線社區的聯防跟協助呢\n308996\t322974\t我想有關於整個防災是後續的整個規劃可能我們就會來遵循就是未來內政部他所奠定相關的規範那如果有需要我們要納入我們的整個工業管線的防災計畫的話我們也會來做配合來做辦理\n323675\t344652\t好這就是我希望因為今天既然兩個部會都在這裡就是其實啊在我們這裡面有隸屬7個部會22種災害類型那也就是說部會很多災害類型很多種但是最後防災是能夠協助到的社區的部分都只有我剛剛說的這幾種災害類型那我會覺得很可惜就以高雄來說如果就是這些工業管線一時之間有一些氣體的洩漏\n348735\t370587\t那一時之間社區遇到災害類型是這邊說的例如說包括說如果是森林火災或是動植物的災難或是路上交通的事故化學物質或者是任何像是防疫這個生物病人的災害這些其他類型的災害發生的時候防災是到底可以起什麼作用這是我好奇的那是不是這部分也請次長來補充\n374322\t394780\t好謝謝委員的問題我想防災式的訓練我們基本上是採取一個全災型的訓練並沒有針對特定的災害然後只訓練某些災害類型那麼我們在22種災害裡面其實防災式的訓練是希望他們能夠自救跟互助所以它不是一個非常的\n395501\t420539\t高度專業的這樣的一個培訓那剛剛委員所提到的內政部主管的災害之外比如說我們的經濟部主管的水災跟農業部所主管的土石流我們都有防災室的參與他們也會在社區的層級去參與這些活動那這些委員所垂詢的關於工業管線災害的部分我們在社區的培訓裡面我們會培訓防災室對於察覺危險\n422140\t446622\t這件事情還有疏散這件事情我們會培訓他們但如果要提到實際上去救災的話那就變成是專業部門的事所以我們會對這個事情會去做一個區隔好 謝謝次長的補充那其實我也很肯定內政部啦因為其實這兩年推動這個防災式啊我們地方上反應也蠻好的那包括里長都帶頭找里民去上課然後取得這個訓練然後現在我們高雄就已經有3664位了\n448684\t452091\t那我也希望持續的努力推廣然後擴大到社區讓社區成為韌性的社區好 謝謝次長\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請馬次長好 請馬次長委員早安好 次長早 今天其實大家在討論這個災防法那我認為高雄其實在扮演非常重要的角色是因為高雄的11年前的氣爆案之後整個高雄都不斷地在討論說這個工業管線的問題到底要怎麼解決\n那其實我也知道說這幾年內政部非常努力在推防災事的培訓嘛還有另外一個是任性社區的標章所以我還是先想要請教一下目前內政部的進度我知道說目前這個任性社區你們推的標章啊我們高雄總共有拿到19個\n那當然我也認為說還要不斷的努力推廣才行因為這個對於高雄來說非常重要尤其是我剛剛講的工業管線的部分那我也要講啊其實過去幾年我在高雄也不斷的倡議說這個大社工業區的降編案到現在都還卡關當中\n那卡關到現在廠區還沒有遷走會造成什麼影響呢就是其實我們還是有非常多的工業管線是經過市區的也經過我的選區那甚至我盤點了一下這些工業管線經過市區總共會經過160個里\n也就是說這一些工業管線經過的里周遭的里就有160個那這160個里我去對了一下跟目前19個拿到任性社區的標章的總共只有兩個\n周邊的里拿到任性社區的標章什麼意思呢就是我們認為任性社區很重要就是你們要有很有很了解這個防災相關的一些基本的知識那也在面對這些風險的時候基本上可以作為一個任性社區來應對這樣的災害可是當我去比對之後發現說160個裡面拿到任性社區的標章的竟然只有兩個\n那是不是應該要努力的在讓這一些周邊的離別不管是防災的演練然後努力的多培育這一些防災市然後最後可以多拿到這些韌性社區呢各位報告我們推動韌性社區是從2023年開始\n因為它有一個過程每一個過程大概都要花兩年的時間從一星到三星讓它能夠建構一個自主尾運的能力以目前委員剛剛所提到的的確是一個我們要去檢討的問題就是說以大社工業區做例子這樣的一個具有高度的危險性的一個空間我們在它周遭的社區應該要去做比較多的輔導跟任性社區一個推動這部分我們去做檢討\n好 謝謝次長的承諾因為我相信次長也非常關心過去我們高雄的這些災害風險的情形那再來要繼續請教這個其實工業管線是不是今天經濟部也有請我們產業管理局的副局長\n因為這個我剛剛想要延續這個工業管線的部分跟經濟部就非常有關係因為我知道說其實經濟部也有在做工業管線的社區防災演練嘛那可是就我所知就是每次參加的人員就其實是很難傳承跟維繫的也就是說目前這個社區的演練的成效到底如何其實不得而知然後強度跟次數我也認為非常不夠\n因為我認為高雄是非常需要作為一個韌性城市的一個地方那在這樣的基礎之下我不知道說經濟部對於高雄的這些照顧到底到哪裡了那目前就我所知啦尤其是這些防災演練是你們辦的嘛但其實你們也跟地方的防災是沒有任何的連結也就是說你們防災演練沒有邀他們參與然後你們在處理工業管線的問題的時候其實我們地方的防災是\n跟你們沒有任何的關係耶是這樣子嗎謝謝委員的詮詢跟委員報告其實針對我們目前相關的工業管線部分的工業區其實我們都有所謂的區域聯防的概念那實際上來講我們都會要求業者他必須要去提供相關的維管的計畫還有他一些演練那當然我們也會會同地方政府做一些查核還有就是配合地方來做所謂的緊急應變的這些相關的演練\n那我想委員剛剛您所垂詢關心的那我們確實都有在努力在做那如果說委員希望我們有更進一步的一個資訊我們再提供給委員讓您做一些我們的指導好謝謝這個副局長喔這就是我想要講的因為就我所知目前房災市比較算是內政部底下隸屬的那\n那變得說在我們在防防裡面就只有風災火災然後爆炸然後火山災害是屬於內政部管理的那可是裡面零零種種22種的災害類型是不是其他的類型就沒有辦法讓我們去由這個防災市來做第一線社區的聯防跟協助呢\n我想有關於整個防災是後續的整個規劃可能我們就會來遵循就是未來內政部他所奠定相關的規範那如果有需要我們要納入我們的整個工業管線的防災計畫的話我們也會來做配合來做辦理\n好這就是我希望因為今天既然兩個部會都在這裡就是其實啊在我們這裡面有隸屬7個部會22種災害類型那也就是說部會很多災害類型很多種但是最後防災是能夠協助到的社區的部分都只有我剛剛說的這幾種災害類型那我會覺得很可惜就以高雄來說如果就是這些工業管線一時之間有一些氣體的洩漏\n那一時之間社區遇到災害類型是這邊說的例如說包括說如果是森林火災或是動植物的災難或是路上交通的事故化學物質或者是任何像是防疫這個生物病人的災害這些其他類型的災害發生的時候防災是到底可以起什麼作用這是我好奇的那是不是這部分也請次長來補充\n好謝謝委員的問題我想防災式的訓練我們基本上是採取一個全災型的訓練並沒有針對特定的災害然後只訓練某些災害類型那麼我們在22種災害裡面其實防災式的訓練是希望他們能夠自救跟互助所以它不是一個非常的\n高度專業的這樣的一個培訓那剛剛委員所提到的內政部主管的災害之外比如說我們的經濟部主管的水災跟農業部所主管的土石流我們都有防災室的參與他們也會在社區的層級去參與這些活動那這些委員所垂詢的關於工業管線災害的部分我們在社區的培訓裡面我們會培訓防災室對於察覺危險\n這件事情還有疏散這件事情我們會培訓他們但如果要提到實際上去救災的話那就變成是專業部門的事所以我們會對這個事情會去做一個區隔好 謝謝次長的補充那其實我也很肯定內政部啦因為其實這兩年推動這個防災式啊我們地方上反應也蠻好的那包括里長都帶頭找里民去上課然後取得這個訓練然後現在我們高雄就已經有3664位了\n那我也希望持續的努力推廣然後擴大到社區讓社區成為韌性的社區好 謝謝次長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.596 --> 00:04.517\n好謝謝主席我們請馬次長好請馬次長委員早安好次長早今天其實大家在討論這個災防法那我認為高雄其實在扮演非常重要的角色是因為高雄的11年前的氣爆案之後整個高雄都不斷地在討論說這個工業管線的問題到底要怎麼解決\n\n00:28.226 --> 00:44.607\n那其實我也知道說這幾年內政部非常努力在推防災事的培訓嘛還有另外一個是任性社區的標章所以我還是先想要請教一下目前內政部的進度我知道說目前這個任性社區你們推的標章啊我們高雄總共有拿到19個\n\n00:45.828 --> 00:51.835\n那當然我也認為說還要不斷的努力推廣才行因為這個對於高雄來說非常重要尤其是我剛剛講的工業管線的部分那我也要講啊其實過去幾年我在高雄也不斷的倡議說這個大社工業區的降編案到現在都還卡關當中\n\n01:04.250 --> 01:16.815\n那卡關到現在廠區還沒有遷走會造成什麼影響呢就是其實我們還是有非常多的工業管線是經過市區的也經過我的選區那甚至我盤點了一下這些工業管線經過市區總共會經過160個里\n\n01:21.397 --> 01:27.507\n也就是說這一些工業管線經過的里周遭的里就有160個那這160個里我去對了一下跟目前19個拿到任性社區的標章的總共只有兩個\n\n01:35.788 --> 01:49.375\n周邊的里拿到任性社區的標章什麼意思呢就是我們認為任性社區很重要就是你們要有很有很了解這個防災相關的一些基本的知識那也在面對這些風險的時候基本上可以作為一個任性社區來應對這樣的災害可是當我去比對之後發現說160個裡面拿到任性社區的標章的竟然只有兩個\n\n01:59.801 --> 02:13.275\n那是不是應該要努力的在讓這一些周邊的離別不管是防災的演練然後努力的多培育這一些防災市然後最後可以多拿到這些韌性社區呢各位報告我們推動韌性社區是從2023年開始\n\n02:20.144 --> 02:47.551\n因為它有一個過程每一個過程大概都要花兩年的時間從一星到三星讓它能夠建構一個自主尾運的能力以目前委員剛剛所提到的的確是一個我們要去檢討的問題就是說以大社工業區做例子這樣的一個具有高度的危險性的一個空間我們在它周遭的社區應該要去做比較多的輔導跟任性社區一個推動這部分我們去做檢討\n\n02:48.373 --> 03:03.565\n好謝謝次長的承諾因為我相信次長也非常關心過去我們高雄的這些災害風險的情形那再來要繼續請教這個其實工業管線是不是今天經濟部也有請我們產業管理局的副局長\n\n03:05.356 --> 03:12.781\n因為這個我剛剛想要延續這個工業管線的部分跟經濟部就非常有關係因為我知道說其實經濟部也有在做工業管線的社區防災演練嘛那可是就我所知就是每次參加的人員就其實是很難傳承跟維繫的也就是說目前這個社區的演練的成效到底如何其實不得而知然後強度跟次數我也認為非常不夠\n\n03:31.913 --> 03:55.424\n因為我認為高雄是非常需要作為一個韌性城市的一個地方那在這樣的基礎之下我不知道說經濟部對於高雄的這些照顧到底到哪裡了那目前就我所知啦尤其是這些防災演練是你們辦的嘛但其實你們也跟地方的防災是沒有任何的連結也就是說你們防災演練沒有邀他們參與然後你們在處理工業管線的問題的時候其實我們地方的防災是\n\n04:01.607 --> 04:26.838\n跟你們沒有任何的關係耶是這樣子嗎謝謝委員的詮詢跟委員報告其實針對我們目前相關的工業管線部分的工業區其實我們都有所謂的區域聯防的概念那實際上來講我們都會要求業者他必須要去提供相關的維管的計畫還有他一些演練那當然我們也會會同地方政府做一些查核還有就是配合地方來做所謂的緊急應變的這些相關的演練\n\n04:29.219 --> 04:46.618\n那我想委員剛剛您所垂詢關心的那我們確實都有在努力在做那如果說委員希望我們有更進一步的一個資訊我們再提供給委員讓您做一些我們的指導好謝謝這個副局長喔這就是我想要講的因為就我所知目前房災市比較算是內政部底下隸屬的那\n\n04:48.340 --> 05:07.748\n那變得說在我們在防防裡面就只有風災火災然後爆炸然後火山災害是屬於內政部管理的那可是裡面零零種種22種的災害類型是不是其他的類型就沒有辦法讓我們去由這個防災市來做第一線社區的聯防跟協助呢\n\n05:08.996 --> 05:22.974\n我想有關於整個防災是後續的整個規劃可能我們就會來遵循就是未來內政部他所奠定相關的規範那如果有需要我們要納入我們的整個工業管線的防災計畫的話我們也會來做配合來做辦理\n\n05:23.675 --> 05:44.652\n好這就是我希望因為今天既然兩個部會都在這裡就是其實啊在我們這裡面有隸屬7個部會22種災害類型那也就是說部會很多災害類型很多種但是最後防災是能夠協助到的社區的部分都只有我剛剛說的這幾種災害類型那我會覺得很可惜就以高雄來說如果就是這些工業管線一時之間有一些氣體的洩漏\n\n05:48.735 --> 06:10.587\n那一時之間社區遇到災害類型是這邊說的例如說包括說如果是森林火災或是動植物的災難或是路上交通的事故化學物質或者是任何像是防疫這個生物病人的災害這些其他類型的災害發生的時候防災是到底可以起什麼作用這是我好奇的那是不是這部分也請次長來補充\n\n06:14.322 --> 06:34.780\n好謝謝委員的問題我想防災式的訓練我們基本上是採取一個全災型的訓練並沒有針對特定的災害然後只訓練某些災害類型那麼我們在22種災害裡面其實防災式的訓練是希望他們能夠自救跟互助所以它不是一個非常的\n\n06:35.501 --> 07:00.539\n高度專業的這樣的一個培訓那剛剛委員所提到的內政部主管的災害之外比如說我們的經濟部主管的水災跟農業部所主管的土石流我們都有防災室的參與他們也會在社區的層級去參與這些活動那這些委員所垂詢的關於工業管線災害的部分我們在社區的培訓裡面我們會培訓防災室對於察覺危險\n\n07:02.140 --> 07:26.622\n這件事情還有疏散這件事情我們會培訓他們但如果要提到實際上去救災的話那就變成是專業部門的事所以我們會對這個事情會去做一個區隔好謝謝次長的補充那其實我也很肯定內政部啦因為其實這兩年推動這個防災式啊我們地方上反應也蠻好的那包括里長都帶頭找里民去上課然後取得這個訓練然後現在我們高雄就已經有3664位了\n\n07:28.684 --> 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謝謝次長的補充那其實我也很肯定內政部啦因為其實這兩年推動這個防災式啊我們地方上反應也蠻好的那包括里長都帶頭找里民去上課然後取得這個訓練然後現在我們高雄就已經有3664位了"},{"start":448.684,"end":452.091,"text":"那我也希望持續的努力推廣然後擴大到社區讓社區成為韌性的社區好 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