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00:03:15,612\n但是我們的編制只有36位同仁所以表示說我們的場地的訓練是夠但是我們的這個包括行政教官的人力我們還需要大幅度的一個增加那這部分可能也需要大院跟行政院一起來支持那關於剛剛委員所垂詢的消防學校那他的未來我們在訓練中心是不是能夠轉型那他的細節我是不是可以請署長來做回應\n\n10\n00:03:16,192 --> 00:03:43,567\n好的次長我先跟你報告因為我們的消防消防他們都寄託在我們的警察學校還有我們的警官學校但是因為他們的專業性質跟我們又不一樣因為我們要面臨的有水庫車化學車一些大型的演練場所所以說這真的是急迫性來請書長來\n\n11\n00:03:46,537 --> 00:04:05,315\n感謝委員一直關心我們消防學校的進度那給委員報告說某些年訓練就是正級班特考班那某些年正級班的學生本來理論上是兩年在警專事實上現在今年開始已經在一年在訓練中心所以幾乎有一大半的時間在訓練中心做這方面的培訓\n\n12\n00:04:06,316 --> 00:04:28,938\n這些能量跟特卡班的能量已經達到一次所以首先要為我們做報告警大的學生大概也會朝這個方向來做努力要不成立消防學校之前在學校養成教育這些學生讓他的能量事實上已經達到我們要成為消防人員的基本救災能量這個首先跟委員報告這是第一個階段\n\n13\n00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:53,952\n那第二階段就是這樣一個配合以後因為警專有消防安全科不是說警專就沒有消防安全科有消防安全科警大有消防系那系跟科這邊我們怎麼樣跟他做合作後面是不是能夠朝向整個制度朝向消防學校的發展這個就是我們正在規劃就怎麼一步一步達到\n\n14\n00:04:55,672 --> 00:05:22,186\n委員期待的這個目標當然最終的目標是達到一個專責的消防學校那在消防署訓練中心的目前規模設備包括今年6月的時候我們要擴大第二階段完工業再啟用到時候我們特別邀請召委跟委員能夠歷年到訓練中心來跟我們知道那時候的規模跟訓練跟教室跟訓練場這又不一樣的一個情形大概已經朝向這個委員期待的目標來進行謝謝\n\n15\n00:05:23,857 --> 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化學車一些大型的演練場所所以說這真的是急迫性來請書長來\n感謝委員一直關心我們消防學校的進度那給委員報告說某些年訓練就是正級班特考班那某些年正級班的學生本來理論上是兩年在警專事實上現在今年開始已經在一年在訓練中心所以幾乎有一大半的時間在訓練中心做這方面的培訓\n這些能量跟特卡班的能量已經達到一次所以首先要為我們做報告警大的學生大概也會朝這個方向來做努力要不成立消防學校之前在學校養成教育這些學生讓他的能量事實上已經達到我們要成為消防人員的基本救災能量這個首先跟委員報告這是第一個階段\n那第二階段就是這樣一個配合以後因為警專有消防安全科不是說警專就沒有消防安全科有消防安全科警大有消防系那系跟科這邊我們怎麼樣跟他做合作後面是不是能夠朝向整個制度朝向消防學校的發展這個就是我們正在規劃就怎麼一步一步達到\n委員期待的這個目標當然最終的目標是達到一個專責的消防學校那在消防署訓練中心的目前規模設備包括今年6月的時候我們要擴大第二階段完工業再啟用到時候我們特別邀請召委跟委員能夠歷年到訓練中心來跟我們知道那時候的規模跟訓練跟教室跟訓練場這又不一樣的一個情形大概已經朝向這個委員期待的目標來進行謝謝\n署長剛剛我們的次長所講我們是全世界第三大我們的人員才三十幾個那你說你在警專學校也好警大學校也好在那邊培訓你人員行政人員那麼少專業人員你一些教官教官也那麼少你要怎樣去培育我們這些優秀的消防人員然後我們還有義消\n還有我們黃仙還有我們的志光所以你看現在連那個搜救隊\n會歸類在我們消防署裡面在各縣市的消防局你看這麼多的民間團體他們要有一個非常適合的場地來做訓練你一個你消防學校你一成立當然你人員經費你才會充裕啊不然你三十幾個你光是世界第三大那沒有用啊對不對\n是感謝委員在還沒到位之前其實縣市真的很幫忙就縣市我們訓練縣市的教官來當成我們訓練中心的教官這個目前已經在做所以目前這麼多的訓練量就是縣市的在此同仁我們培養成教官以後一方面他來訓練中心支援一方面他回到縣市以後也可以把這個技術在縣市來擴大來作業\n真的一個學校出來然後整個有憲政人力教官教授這方面人力因為如果說真的要成立消防學校絕對跟警專的消防科跟警大的消防系這個絕對要一起考量這個變成機關間的互動跟組織編制的一個重新調整我們大概有初步的一個構想跟規劃我們再找時間跟委員報告一下我們再來朝這個方向來努力好的 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