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00:02:29,055\n講坦白一點就是說他一直說他在訓練或者他一直說他在演習可是他也許隱藏著他真正的企圖烏俄戰爭就是一個明顯的例子所以我們這個的時候要提高我們的立即備戰的一個所以我們要操演\n\n8\n00:02:29,696 --> 00:02:54,646\n那我們也要它是它低中高強度我們可能就是說那到了某個強度我們就升級為二級加強戒備那我們到某個強度我們升為一級加強戒備那這個時候是在我們軍中本身依照我們的常備部隊我們就做立即這樣的應對以防以防它掩飾它的真正企圖以後讓我們觸然不及反應這是我們現在\n\n9\n00:02:56,873 --> 00:03:06,461\n國軍要面對這樣子的一種很隱蔽的這樣的一個可能的然後隱藏他的真正企圖說應該要要立即的快速的應對的一個\n\n10\n00:03:09,004 --> 00:03:36,133\n我們認為應該要做的事情謝謝部長因為我覺得這個是有必要跟國人解釋那剛剛下一頁這邊的部分本來就想說請國防部講一下這整個預期的效益那我相信剛剛的講法應該對國人來講算是很清楚那但是有一個小的點就是說我們在去年的時候其實也很強調這些官兵的權益等等之類的那我不知道這一次因為這一次的這個操演那不知道這一個有沒有相關的一些補駕什麼等等的措施呢補駕\n\n11\n00:03:39,414 --> 00:04:07,564\n有我們立即備戰操演就休假的這個部分我們當然會有一定的兵力要求那事後應該會進行相關的補加有關剛剛補充報告我是作業室次長那有關官兵的休假權益我們這次演習的目的主要是能夠強化立即備戰部署那因此它是依據演習狀況來提升並沒有全面性的管制休假\n\n12\n00:04:08,185 --> 00:04:19,203\n那另外官兵如果有特殊的事故他可以依照我們請休假的規範像所屬單位長官提出請休假核准之後還是一樣依照他的室友來去實施請休假\n\n13\n00:04:20,739 --> 00:04:39,719\n因為從現在開始就是說一些演訓等等之類的那我知道最近也在做一些驗收那我那一天有去這一個相關的地方然後去看這個驗收的這個狀況那我在驗收狀況的時候呢我在聽這一個海軍在講的時候他們也有提到說因為現在要驗的數量也多然後常常會有加班的情形\n\n14\n00:04:40,679 --> 00:05:09,016\n所以呢就是說就這方面而言不只是這一次這個相關的這個為期五天的這個演訓還包含在驗收的團隊等等之類的因為我們現在對無人機的需求真的是增加那所以呢我們要驗收的人不一定有那麼多那個團隊其實會常常加班所以相關的這個權益啊有沒有過勞的情形啊什麼再拜託就多請注意啦拜託多請注意是我們有聽到一些反應那我想我們會注意是\n\n15\n00:05:10,356 --> 00:05:29,508\n那這個上次我是看到副部長在這個視察的時候有提到這幾個什麼名利、信用、資通、金融、社福、醫療、資源、CI跟物資配送這五個面向有幾個地方是因為過去有質詢過我想追一下一個就是關於這個第一個這個名利、信用的部分無人機的這個非操守目前的這個訓練我放一下這個\n\n16\n00:05:31,969 --> 00:05:51,028\n下一個這一個我問兩個事情第一個是非操守是這一個另外一個是空域跟時段的管理因為目前來講五輪機的這個測試變得多那問題是需要跟民航局協調那現在能夠用使用的空域又少那現在針對這件事情目前應對因為這個之前有問過那目前這個應對的方案是什麼\n\n17\n00:05:55,896 --> 00:06:20,833\n確實我們現在在入境的五輪級飛行訓練中心的應該是在三軍聯測基地南側中心事實上空域還是不夠所以現在應該是在應該要在跟委員報告另外在營區上空400尺以下這個我們平常的例行的訓練那這個是不需要跟民航局申請\n\n18\n00:06:26,837 --> 00:06:47,365\n委員好我是秦次事次長我們前一個職務在空作部擔任副責任官的時候也針對無人機的空域管理的這個部分跟民航局做過協調那這個部分剛剛如同陸軍參謀長所講400尺以下這個部分是在民航局的無人機\n\n19\n00:06:49,526 --> 00:07:15,934\n專章裡面它有綠定的那在特定的區域裡面這樣子的這個操作是許可那超越這個區域的話也有一定的這個管理程序那這個在這個108年的時候我們國防部也另頒了這個管理的作業程序那現在定期工作部呢會依照這個各使用操作單位的需求跟民防局定期來開會針對他們新增的需求來做研討以上好\n\n20\n00:07:17,515 --> 00:07:34,536\n謝謝因為剩一點時間我就再問一下這個上次我們有在辦公室討論過了這個我就不多問就是針對國防期值的部分軍省今天非常多人問所以我覺得我不要去重複一些前面的問題不然就是一樣的問題一直重複我相信部長也很累\n\n21\n00:07:35,197 --> 00:07:55,518\n那大家都有提到一些共犯或什麼等等的問題我比較想問的反而是因為過去軍法官他在隸屬在國防部之下被遭受到質疑嘛那現在我記得部長有提到就是說不管是之後要人審會啊仿照法官法啊什麼等等之類的會確保他的獨立性那剛剛部長有提到多元這件事情\n\n22\n00:07:56,158 --> 00:08:15,155\n我想問一下就是說目前來講如果說從多元來禁用這件事情目前的規劃到底是什麼因為我覺得多元這件事情大概會跟獨立性會息息相關就是有可能是律師然後轉任那有可能我們現在有辦的法務官考試我們會從中選拔優秀人才\n\n23\n00:08:15,755 --> 00:08:30,681\n那另外當然也不排除由居法官考試那但是考試完之後我們還是也來選來由人審會來把握所以透過這樣子一個多元的一個甄選的一個程序\n\n24\n00:08:31,301 --> 00:08:51,393\n主要是讓這個,讓他們都,我們現在想的是說他們還要進入部隊去進行這個對食物的理解,那所以讓他一方面就是說養成讓他對法律的專業之外,然後對部隊管理的食物也有一定的認知,那這樣的話\n\n25\n00:08:52,473 --> 00:09:13,875\n在這個軍事審判上面應該會更視切然後能夠比較的來合於我們對於這個軍人在職務上他應該有的作為的一個認知這樣子好謝謝部長那我覺得如果說真的是一個全新的軍事法庭這個小建議啦乾脆既然這麼新可以把它叫做一個新的名詞比如說\n\n26\n00:09:14,555 --> 00:09:34,605\n國防法庭啊什麼等等之類的或許也是一個考慮的方向那這個之後我們可能在因為我看這是一個長期的規劃啦組織法法官法檢察官相關的大概會是一個長期的規劃那希望之後呢看有多時間我們再來討論往這個的方向前進所以我們會盡快因為事實上是一個工程所以我們會盡快來努力\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n236\t3599\t好 謝謝主席 那有請顧部長 謝謝好 我們請顧部長是 省委部長好 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我們立即備戰操演就休假的這個部分我們當然會有一定的兵力要求那事後應該會進行相關的補加有關剛剛補充報告 我是作業室次長那有關官兵的休假權益我們這次演習的目的主要是能夠強化立即備戰部署那因此它是依據演習狀況來提升並沒有全面性的管制休假\n248185\t259203\t那另外官兵如果有特殊的事故他可以依照我們請休假的規範像所屬單位長官提出請休假核准之後還是一樣依照他的室友來去實施請休假\n260739\t279719\t因為從現在開始就是說一些演訓等等之類的那我知道最近也在做一些驗收那我那一天有去這一個相關的地方然後去看這個驗收的這個狀況那我在驗收狀況的時候呢我在聽這一個海軍在講的時候他們也有提到說因為現在要驗的數量也多然後常常會有加班的情形\n280679\t309016\t所以呢就是說就這方面而言不只是這一次這個相關的這個為期五天的這個演訓還包含在驗收的團隊等等之類的因為我們現在對無人機的需求真的是增加那所以呢我們要驗收的人不一定有那麼多那個團隊其實會常常加班所以相關的這個權益啊有沒有過勞的情形啊什麼再拜託就多請注意啦拜託多請注意是我們有聽到一些反應那我想我們會注意是\n310356\t329508\t那這個上次我是看到副部長在這個視察的時候有提到這幾個什麼名利、信用、資通、金融、社福、醫療、資源、CI跟物資配送這五個面向有幾個地方是因為過去有質詢過我想追一下一個就是關於這個第一個這個名利、信用的部分無人機的這個非操守目前的這個訓練我放一下這個\n331969\t351028\t下一個這一個我問兩個事情第一個是非操守是這一個另外一個是空域跟時段的管理因為目前來講五輪機的這個測試變得多那問題是需要跟民航局協調那現在能夠用使用的空域又少那現在針對這件事情目前應對因為這個之前有問過那目前這個應對的方案是什麼\n355896\t380833\t確實我們現在在入境的五輪級飛行訓練中心的應該是在三軍聯測基地南側中心事實上空域還是不夠所以現在應該是在應該要在跟委員報告另外在營區上空400尺以下這個我們平常的例行的訓練那這個是不需要跟民航局申請\n386837\t407365\t委員好 我是秦次事次長我們前一個職務在空作部擔任副責任官的時候也針對無人機的空域管理的這個部分跟民航局做過協調那這個部分剛剛如同陸軍參謀長所講400尺以下這個部分是在民航局的無人機\n409526\t435934\t專章裡面它有綠定的那在特定的區域裡面這樣子的這個操作是許可那超越這個區域的話也有一定的這個管理程序那這個在這個108年的時候我們國防部也另頒了這個管理的作業程序那現在定期工作部呢會依照這個各使用操作單位的需求跟民防局定期來開會針對他們新增的需求來做研討以上好\n437515\t454536\t謝謝 因為剩一點時間 我就再問一下這個上次我們有在辦公室討論過了 這個我就不多問就是針對國防期值的部分 軍省今天非常多人問所以我覺得我不要去重複一些前面的問題不然就是一樣的問題一直重複 我相信部長也很累\n455197\t475518\t那大家都有提到一些共犯或什麼等等的問題我比較想問的反而是因為過去軍法官他在隸屬在國防部之下被遭受到質疑嘛那現在我記得部長有提到就是說不管是之後要人審會啊仿照法官法啊什麼等等之類的會確保他的獨立性那剛剛部長有提到多元這件事情\n476158\t495155\t我想問一下就是說目前來講如果說從多元來禁用這件事情目前的規劃到底是什麼因為我覺得多元這件事情大概會跟獨立性會息息相關就是有可能是律師然後轉任那有可能我們現在有辦的法務官考試我們會從中選拔優秀人才\n495755\t510681\t那另外當然也不排除由居法官考試那但是考試完之後我們還是也來選來由人審會來把握所以透過這樣子一個多元的一個甄選的一個程序\n511301\t531393\t主要是讓這個,讓他們都,我們現在想的是說他們還要進入部隊去進行這個對食物的理解,那所以讓他一方面就是說養成讓他對法律的專業之外,然後對部隊管理的食物也有一定的認知,那這樣的話\n532473\t553875\t在這個軍事審判上面應該會更視切然後能夠比較的來合於我們對於這個軍人在職務上他應該有的作為的一個認知這樣子好 謝謝部長那我覺得如果說真的是一個全新的軍事法庭這個小建議啦乾脆既然這麼新可以把它叫做一個新的名詞比如說\n554555\t574605\t國防法庭啊什麼等等之類的或許也是一個考慮的方向那這個之後我們可能在因為我看這是一個長期的規劃啦組織法法官法檢察官相關的大概會是一個長期的規劃那希望之後呢看有多時間我們再來討論往這個的方向前進所以我們會盡快因為事實上是一個工程所以我們會盡快來努力\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 那有請顧部長 謝謝好 我們請顧部長是 省委部長好 那這個辛苦了 那這個呢 這一個我們這兩天 這一個我們的質詢的時間可能有時候會拉得比較長民眾黨的委員這一個問的問題 問的時間通常都會比本委都還要來得更久我不知道為什麼\n那我現在想問一下因為剛剛地域委員其實也有提到就是這一個游訓轉戰這一個部分那因為這一次在三月我記得是在對三月的時候新聞有講到這個立即備戰操演那立即備戰操演當然看起來可能跟漢光演習有一些應對那我這次看到夜報裡面有特別提到這個海底電纜的問題那因為前面呢我看到這個部長有提到說這個低中高強度的分級研判灰色地帶那我想問一下就是說因為\n國人現在對於灰色地帶的這個定義當然並不是那麼的清楚然後呢現在大家又很關心海底電纜那我知道海底電纜哥大概也不會進入到第一這一個部分的一個分級那現在關於這些不管是分級啦灰色地帶的一個解釋啦國防部有沒有一個比較精簡的說法可以跟國人講一下\n我們認為中共會以隱蔽性的方式來掩蓋它真正的企圖這是我們現在的判斷\n所以我們會現在就各項的這個這個漢光的部分我們一開始就是灰色地帶的映出因為我們認為灰色地帶的映出來導致最後有可能轉成全面作戰的這個階段\n那灰色地帶的這個硬處我們就必須要有充分的這個掌握判斷它的徵喉判斷它的威脅程度然後我們現在已經有一個低中高強度的一個關鍵預警徵喉的一個判斷表然後根據這些判斷我們來研判那所以我們今天\n講坦白一點就是說他一直說他在訓練或者他一直說他在演習可是他也許隱藏著他真正的企圖烏俄戰爭就是一個明顯的例子所以我們這個的時候要提高我們的立即備戰的一個所以我們要操演\n那我們也要它是它低中高強度我們可能就是說那到了某個強度我們就升級為二級加強戒備那我們到某個強度我們升為一級加強戒備那這個時候是在我們軍中本身依照我們的常備部隊我們就做立即這樣的應對以防以防它掩飾它的真正企圖以後讓我們觸然不及反應這是我們現在\n國軍要面對這樣子的一種很隱蔽的這樣的一個可能的然後隱藏他的真正企圖說應該要要立即的快速的應對的一個\n我們認為應該要做的事情謝謝部長因為我覺得這個是有必要跟國人解釋那剛剛下一頁這邊的部分本來就想說請國防部講一下這整個預期的效益那我相信剛剛的講法應該對國人來講算是很清楚那但是有一個小的點就是說我們在去年的時候其實也很強調這些官兵的權益等等之類的那我不知道這一次因為這一次的這個操演那不知道這一個有沒有相關的一些補駕什麼等等的措施呢補駕\n有 我們立即備戰操演就休假的這個部分我們當然會有一定的兵力要求那事後應該會進行相關的補加有關剛剛補充報告 我是作業室次長那有關官兵的休假權益我們這次演習的目的主要是能夠強化立即備戰部署那因此它是依據演習狀況來提升並沒有全面性的管制休假\n那另外官兵如果有特殊的事故他可以依照我們請休假的規範像所屬單位長官提出請休假核准之後還是一樣依照他的室友來去實施請休假\n因為從現在開始就是說一些演訓等等之類的那我知道最近也在做一些驗收那我那一天有去這一個相關的地方然後去看這個驗收的這個狀況那我在驗收狀況的時候呢我在聽這一個海軍在講的時候他們也有提到說因為現在要驗的數量也多然後常常會有加班的情形\n所以呢就是說就這方面而言不只是這一次這個相關的這個為期五天的這個演訓還包含在驗收的團隊等等之類的因為我們現在對無人機的需求真的是增加那所以呢我們要驗收的人不一定有那麼多那個團隊其實會常常加班所以相關的這個權益啊有沒有過勞的情形啊什麼再拜託就多請注意啦拜託多請注意是我們有聽到一些反應那我想我們會注意是\n那這個上次我是看到副部長在這個視察的時候有提到這幾個什麼名利、信用、資通、金融、社福、醫療、資源、CI跟物資配送這五個面向有幾個地方是因為過去有質詢過我想追一下一個就是關於這個第一個這個名利、信用的部分無人機的這個非操守目前的這個訓練我放一下這個\n下一個這一個我問兩個事情第一個是非操守是這一個另外一個是空域跟時段的管理因為目前來講五輪機的這個測試變得多那問題是需要跟民航局協調那現在能夠用使用的空域又少那現在針對這件事情目前應對因為這個之前有問過那目前這個應對的方案是什麼\n確實我們現在在入境的五輪級飛行訓練中心的應該是在三軍聯測基地南側中心事實上空域還是不夠所以現在應該是在應該要在跟委員報告另外在營區上空400尺以下這個我們平常的例行的訓練那這個是不需要跟民航局申請\n委員好 我是秦次事次長我們前一個職務在空作部擔任副責任官的時候也針對無人機的空域管理的這個部分跟民航局做過協調那這個部分剛剛如同陸軍參謀長所講400尺以下這個部分是在民航局的無人機\n專章裡面它有綠定的那在特定的區域裡面這樣子的這個操作是許可那超越這個區域的話也有一定的這個管理程序那這個在這個108年的時候我們國防部也另頒了這個管理的作業程序那現在定期工作部呢會依照這個各使用操作單位的需求跟民防局定期來開會針對他們新增的需求來做研討以上好\n謝謝 因為剩一點時間 我就再問一下這個上次我們有在辦公室討論過了 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00:56.436\n那我現在想問一下因為剛剛地域委員其實也有提到就是這一個游訓轉戰這一個部分那因為這一次在三月我記得是在對三月的時候新聞有講到這個立即備戰操演那立即備戰操演當然看起來可能跟漢光演習有一些應對那我這次看到夜報裡面有特別提到這個海底電纜的問題那因為前面呢我看到這個部長有提到說這個低中高強度的分級研判灰色地帶那我想問一下就是說因為\n\n00:57.516 --> 01:16.304\n國人現在對於灰色地帶的這個定義當然並不是那麼的清楚然後呢現在大家又很關心海底電纜那我知道海底電纜哥大概也不會進入到第一這一個部分的一個分級那現在關於這些不管是分級啦灰色地帶的一個解釋啦國防部有沒有一個比較精簡的說法可以跟國人講一下\n\n01:19.121 --> 01:21.402\n我們認為中共會以隱蔽性的方式來掩蓋它真正的企圖這是我們現在的判斷\n\n01:33.630 --> 01:48.192\n所以我們會現在就各項的這個這個漢光的部分我們一開始就是灰色地帶的映出因為我們認為灰色地帶的映出來導致最後有可能轉成全面作戰的這個階段\n\n01:49.574 --> 02:10.808\n那灰色地帶的這個硬處我們就必須要有充分的這個掌握判斷它的徵喉判斷它的威脅程度然後我們現在已經有一個低中高強度的一個關鍵預警徵喉的一個判斷表然後根據這些判斷我們來研判那所以我們今天\n\n02:12.378 --> 02:29.055\n講坦白一點就是說他一直說他在訓練或者他一直說他在演習可是他也許隱藏著他真正的企圖烏俄戰爭就是一個明顯的例子所以我們這個的時候要提高我們的立即備戰的一個所以我們要操演\n\n02:29.696 --> 02:54.646\n那我們也要它是它低中高強度我們可能就是說那到了某個強度我們就升級為二級加強戒備那我們到某個強度我們升為一級加強戒備那這個時候是在我們軍中本身依照我們的常備部隊我們就做立即這樣的應對以防以防它掩飾它的真正企圖以後讓我們觸然不及反應這是我們現在\n\n02:56.873 --> 03:06.461\n國軍要面對這樣子的一種很隱蔽的這樣的一個可能的然後隱藏他的真正企圖說應該要要立即的快速的應對的一個\n\n03:09.004 --> 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