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00:02:15,995\n嗯當然如果衛福部要找我們討論我們很樂意跟他們討論好因為我們其實之前有開過兒少全法的公聽會在公聽會上已經有很多學者專家還有很多機構的老師們說其實孩子們在現場打工所遇到的狀況可能不是只有勞動部可以協助的很多相關的權益其實還是跟衛福部有關所以我們辦公室之後會想要拜託勞動部跟衛福部跟我們一起來討論如果要刪那勞動部這邊怎麼幫忙或者是不刪我們怎麼樣加強一起協助兒少好不好\n\n7\n00:02:25,677 --> 00:02:52,776\n我想最終的目的還是希望兒少在打工相關的權益上面能夠得到確保所以當然衛福部會怎麼在他們的法案在他們主管的法案裡面去做修訂這部分當然全都是在衛福部可是我們當然很願意跟委員辦公室這邊來去做配合針對達成剛才講那個最終目的的事情那看我們勞發署在相關的這個業務裡面可以來怎麼來協助\n\n8\n00:02:53,997 --> 00:02:59,822\n謝謝部長那我們之後再來召開會議喔其實我必須要說勞動部現在的對於年輕人的協助其實是有的我們有相關的就業輔導那不過呢這個就業輔導計畫比較是針對就業前的媒合還有技能訓練這當然是非常重要的一環那不過務實的是在進入職場之後就是如同我剛剛說的因為權益受損或者是不知道去哪裡尋求支持還有協助\n\n9\n00:03:18,797 --> 00:03:42,574\n所以呢這個部分我們也要拜託衛福部不好意思勞動部之後如何協助小孩好我們來看另外一個其實在勞動部的跨部會喔勞動部跟教育部在衛福部其實從109年就開始成立一個跨部會的兒少職場安全衛生權益小組我們調了相關的會議記錄不過這個會議記錄是公開上網的一般人都查得到\n\n10\n00:03:43,274 --> 00:03:46,558\n會議記錄裡面呢從109年開始到目前為止一年只開兩次會而且那個會議記錄寫得越來越簡單因為都只是各個部會跨部會開會的時候把各自已經有做的事情丟出來說我們有做A我們做了B我們做了C\n\n11\n00:04:00,672 --> 00:04:11,762\n各自說完之後就結束了其實比較沒有看到針對相關的個案進行討論或者是對那半年之中可能社會上發生了什麼樣的事情我們進行檢討我們覺得很可惜部長你知道這個會議嗎\n\n12\n00:04:17,213 --> 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下一張我們本來期望在兒少法期將修法的時候我們可以把相關的權益寫得更清楚\n可是我們遺憾的看到衛福部目前給我們的版本是說在兒少法裡面34、35、36跟兒少就業權益有關的他們決定刪除因為他們認為這個在勞動部的就業服務法還有職業訓練法裡面內容都是一致的因為服務的都是15到18歲的特定對象\n認為勞動部已經提供相關服務所以衛福部說兒少法要刪掉可是我看到很多擔心的現象是除了這個我認為衛福部應該要積極找你們討論不知道部長你覺得怎麼樣你怎麼看這個狀態他們現在預告可能會是往這個方向走\n嗯 當然 如果衛福部要找我們討論 我們很樂意跟他們討論好 因為我們其實之前有開過兒少全法的公聽會在公聽會上 已經有很多學者專家還有很多機構的老師們說其實孩子們在現場打工所遇到的狀況可能不是只有勞動部可以協助的很多相關的權益其實還是跟衛福部有關所以我們辦公室之後會想要拜託勞動部跟衛福部跟我們一起來討論如果要刪 那勞動部這邊怎麼幫忙或者是不刪 我們怎麼樣加強一起協助兒少 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