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00:02:47,299\n综合各部会的合作另外就会提到我们的基金管理委员会来做最后的审议所以这个流程就是说假设我今天提的这个案子我们就依循档案局下面的一个申请窗口把我的企划我的想法送到档案局那档案局不会做任何的审查就直接会看他觉得哪个部会比较适合就把这个案子分到那个部会吗是这样吗还是我们会看这个案子的性质还有它的额度\n\n8\n00:02:47,799 --> 00:03:10,172\n好那因为会涉及到那个各部会的专业的判断因此假设是单一的部会我们会直接请这个部会来评估这个案子有没有重复以及是不是放进我们的未来的计划如果是跨部会的话我们会尽情会审之后初步归纳一些初审的意见然后再提报到我们的基金管理会这边来做最后的意见\n\n9\n00:03:10,832 --> 00:03:36,941\n這兩件事情我這樣聽起來有兩如果說今天他非常明確是單一部會的話就是你們收到案子後就直接派發到那個部會嘛確認沒有重複之後就會進到後面的這些審查的部會自己送到促短基金的委員會來做審查嘛對不對好但是如果今天是跨部會像以這個例子來說他跨了這麼多部會那你們要如何的去判斷這到底要做分到哪一個單位呢會不會每個單位都說這不屬於我的那這件事應該怎麼辦\n\n10\n00:03:37,701 --> 00:03:59,807\n假設是屬委員所舉這個例子您提到有相關的部會那這些部會都會是我們邀請來談同時我們會找行政院的人權處以及主計總處等等我們會來會商它的可行性已經有沒有這個重複那另外這個整個因為如果是大案子我們會最後會提報到基金管理委會這邊來做最後的審議\n\n11\n00:04:01,267 --> 00:04:13,052\n因為同時也想跟委員補充報告的就是在這個時候抱歉我先確認一下就是說在他送到基金管理委員會之前還不會確認是在哪一個部會對不對我們會建議我們會建議給委員參考所以等於是說好今天呢我們有這麼多不同部會我們會找他們一起來討論討論之後你們有檔案局這邊會建議一個單位\n\n12\n00:04:24,457 --> 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劉主委\n25714\t52052\t主委好我還是想要針對促轉基金這個問題持續的跟主委做一些釐清雖然我們昨天有做一些討論不過我想要再確認幾件事情就是說因為我們昨天在講促轉基金這個東西您有提到說會有一個平台讓大家可以直接來提案我想確認一下就是說因為過去促轉基金的運作方式都是部會去跟促轉基金申請申請那其實\n53053\t77826\t我們昨天就是講嘛就是它這些用途其實都非常的重複那我現在要提的就是當這個案子我昨天講的這個案子喔如果我們有一個台灣也要做一個類似這樣子的經驗館好了可是這裡面可能涉及的是有博物館展場是文化部如果大家覺得說我們應該要來收集兒童的聲音就像猶太博物館之前也是收集兒童的聲音嘛\n78726\t96024\t但這件事情又是主管機關又是衛福部那如果有人大家會想說我外面想要做一個遊戲場主管機關好像又是內政部那請問當民間有一個這樣子的想法的話他到底要怎麼去進行這個平台或是這個流程大概是什麼可不可以請主委詳細說明一下\n97526\t118204\t好的,就我了解了,當然也許我們局長會有再補充,就我了解,這是一個整合的案子,進來會先進我們國發會,那國發會會診之後我們會送進我們的委員會,然後委員是由政府跟民間委員所組成的,他們會來核定這個案子,就我的了解是這樣。還是請局長詳細的說明好了,謝謝。\n121131\t135100\t謝謝委員關注那目前我們規劃要建置的這個平台除了可以申請可以公告我們的聯繫傳口跟提出申請案之外我們也特別會設置一個申請的專區那如果有跨部會的話我們會透過會審機制來\n138002\t167299\t综合各部会的合作另外就会提到我们的基金管理委员会来做最后的审议所以这个流程就是说假设我今天提的这个案子我们就依循档案局下面的一个申请窗口把我的企划我的想法送到档案局那档案局不会做任何的审查就直接会看他觉得哪个部会比较适合就把这个案子分到那个部会吗是这样吗还是我们会看这个案子的性质还有它的额度\n167799\t190172\t好那因为会涉及到那个各部会的专业的判断因此假设是单一的部会我们会直接请这个部会来评估这个案子有没有重复以及是不是放进我们的未来的计划如果是跨部会的话我们会尽情会审之后初步归纳一些初审的意见然后再提报到我们的基金管理会这边来做最后的意见\n190832\t216941\t這兩件事情我這樣聽起來有兩如果說今天他非常明確是單一部會的話就是你們收到案子後就直接派發到那個部會嘛確認沒有重複之後就會進到後面的這些審查的部會自己送到促短基金的委員會來做審查嘛對不對好但是如果今天是跨部會像以這個例子來說他跨了這麼多部會那你們要如何的去判斷這到底要做分到哪一個單位呢會不會每個單位都說這不屬於我的那這件事應該怎麼辦\n217701\t239807\t假設是屬委員所舉這個例子您提到有相關的部會那這些部會都會是我們邀請來談同時我們會找行政院的人權處以及主計總處等等我們會來會商它的可行性已經有沒有這個重複那另外這個整個因為如果是大案子我們會最後會提報到基金管理委會這邊來做最後的審議\n241267\t253052\t因為同時也想跟委員補充報告的就是在這個時候抱歉我先確認一下就是說在他送到基金管理委員會之前還不會確認是在哪一個部會對不對我們會建議我們會建議給委員參考所以等於是說好今天呢我們有這麼多不同部會我們會找他們一起來討論討論之後你們有檔案局這邊會建議一個單位\n264457\t268461\t我們會建議方案給委員 提報到委員會來做討論所以這東西最後就是透過促轉基金的審查委員來決議這個案子到底要不要派到哪一個部會那到底是要多少預算對不對是在這個委員會裡面來處理那我想再確認一件事情就是說在額度的部分因為你剛有提到這個額度那這個額度原本的上限是設定多少呢\n289101\t309979\t我们目前对于各部会提报的预算并没有上限民间提案的预算目前规划上也没有打算有上限那刚刚提到额度的部分是什么额度的部分指的是它的核定的程序我们目前有一个给基金管理会的国发会议院是管理机关如果是200万以下我们在这个\n310399\t314522\t流程裡面可能這個主委這邊是召集人主委核定了之後我們就可以請部會來執行假設是高於這個額度我們就必須要經過基金管理會事先的審查那剛剛如果是200萬以下我們要事後跟基金管理會做備查\n326790\t355869\t超過兩百萬就對了好 再問最後一個問題就是如果說我想確認一下就是說在基金委員會的部分會不會遇到那個部會不願意承接的狀態我想這個要透過協調這個協調會是由誰來處理呢基金管理會就是委員會這邊是有足夠的職權來做這件事情嗎或者如果我們有需要的話也許可以透過行政協調的部分行政協調因為行政院的這個仍然是有業務單位在處理所以會透過可能到時候會請政委來協調對不對也有可能\n360371\t377899\t目前我們文化部其實有設置國家人權博物館委員提到了這個例子目前在人權博物館裡面其實它有相關的一些計畫在推動也有申請促轉基金來做推動我想這個只是我舉的一個例子其實國外的案例其實是非常非常多\n378639\t395193\t那到底他是不是可以用國家人權管的預算因為其實國家人權管的補助經費相當的少在這一次的預算砍了之後就更少了所以要他來做這件事情其實相當的困難所以才會希望土土短期進來更多的開放然後讓民間的力量可以進來謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席 我們有請國發會主委 劉主委\n主委好我還是想要針對促轉基金這個問題持續的跟主委做一些釐清雖然我們昨天有做一些討論不過我想要再確認幾件事情就是說因為我們昨天在講促轉基金這個東西您有提到說會有一個平台讓大家可以直接來提案我想確認一下就是說因為過去促轉基金的運作方式都是部會去跟促轉基金申請申請那其實\n我們昨天就是講嘛就是它這些用途其實都非常的重複那我現在要提的就是當這個案子我昨天講的這個案子喔如果我們有一個台灣也要做一個類似這樣子的經驗館好了可是這裡面可能涉及的是有博物館展場是文化部如果大家覺得說我們應該要來收集兒童的聲音就像猶太博物館之前也是收集兒童的聲音嘛\n但這件事情又是主管機關又是衛福部那如果有人大家會想說我外面想要做一個遊戲場主管機關好像又是內政部那請問當民間有一個這樣子的想法的話他到底要怎麼去進行這個平台或是這個流程大概是什麼可不可以請主委詳細說明一下\n好的,就我了解了,當然也許我們局長會有再補充,就我了解,這是一個整合的案子,進來會先進我們國發會,那國發會會診之後我們會送進我們的委員會,然後委員是由政府跟民間委員所組成的,他們會來核定這個案子,就我的了解是這樣。還是請局長詳細的說明好了,謝謝。\n謝謝委員關注那目前我們規劃要建置的這個平台除了可以申請可以公告我們的聯繫傳口跟提出申請案之外我們也特別會設置一個申請的專區那如果有跨部會的話我們會透過會審機制來\n综合各部会的合作另外就会提到我们的基金管理委员会来做最后的审议所以这个流程就是说假设我今天提的这个案子我们就依循档案局下面的一个申请窗口把我的企划我的想法送到档案局那档案局不会做任何的审查就直接会看他觉得哪个部会比较适合就把这个案子分到那个部会吗是这样吗还是我们会看这个案子的性质还有它的额度\n好那因为会涉及到那个各部会的专业的判断因此假设是单一的部会我们会直接请这个部会来评估这个案子有没有重复以及是不是放进我们的未来的计划如果是跨部会的话我们会尽情会审之后初步归纳一些初审的意见然后再提报到我们的基金管理会这边来做最后的意见\n這兩件事情我這樣聽起來有兩如果說今天他非常明確是單一部會的話就是你們收到案子後就直接派發到那個部會嘛確認沒有重複之後就會進到後面的這些審查的部會自己送到促短基金的委員會來做審查嘛對不對好但是如果今天是跨部會像以這個例子來說他跨了這麼多部會那你們要如何的去判斷這到底要做分到哪一個單位呢會不會每個單位都說這不屬於我的那這件事應該怎麼辦\n假設是屬委員所舉這個例子您提到有相關的部會那這些部會都會是我們邀請來談同時我們會找行政院的人權處以及主計總處等等我們會來會商它的可行性已經有沒有這個重複那另外這個整個因為如果是大案子我們會最後會提報到基金管理委會這邊來做最後的審議\n因為同時也想跟委員補充報告的就是在這個時候抱歉我先確認一下就是說在他送到基金管理委員會之前還不會確認是在哪一個部會對不對我們會建議我們會建議給委員參考所以等於是說好今天呢我們有這麼多不同部會我們會找他們一起來討論討論之後你們有檔案局這邊會建議一個單位\n我們會建議方案給委員 提報到委員會來做討論所以這東西最後就是透過促轉基金的審查委員來決議這個案子到底要不要派到哪一個部會那到底是要多少預算對不對是在這個委員會裡面來處理那我想再確認一件事情就是說在額度的部分因為你剛有提到這個額度那這個額度原本的上限是設定多少呢\n我们目前对于各部会提报的预算并没有上限民间提案的预算目前规划上也没有打算有上限那刚刚提到额度的部分是什么额度的部分指的是它的核定的程序我们目前有一个给基金管理会的国发会议院是管理机关如果是200万以下我们在这个\n流程裡面可能這個主委這邊是召集人主委核定了之後我們就可以請部會來執行假設是高於這個額度我們就必須要經過基金管理會事先的審查那剛剛如果是200萬以下我們要事後跟基金管理會做備查\n超過兩百萬就對了好 再問最後一個問題就是如果說我想確認一下就是說在基金委員會的部分會不會遇到那個部會不願意承接的狀態我想這個要透過協調這個協調會是由誰來處理呢基金管理會就是委員會這邊是有足夠的職權來做這件事情嗎或者如果我們有需要的話也許可以透過行政協調的部分行政協調因為行政院的這個仍然是有業務單位在處理所以會透過可能到時候會請政委來協調對不對也有可能\n目前我們文化部其實有設置國家人權博物館委員提到了這個例子目前在人權博物館裡面其實它有相關的一些計畫在推動也有申請促轉基金來做推動我想這個只是我舉的一個例子其實國外的案例其實是非常非常多\n那到底他是不是可以用國家人權管的預算因為其實國家人權管的補助經費相當的少在這一次的預算砍了之後就更少了所以要他來做這件事情其實相當的困難所以才會希望土土短期進來更多的開放然後讓民間的力量可以進來謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.293 --> 00:16.165\n謝主席我們有請國發會主委劉主委\n\n00:25.714 --> 00:52.052\n主委好我還是想要針對促轉基金這個問題持續的跟主委做一些釐清雖然我們昨天有做一些討論不過我想要再確認幾件事情就是說因為我們昨天在講促轉基金這個東西您有提到說會有一個平台讓大家可以直接來提案我想確認一下就是說因為過去促轉基金的運作方式都是部會去跟促轉基金申請申請那其實\n\n00:53.053 --> 01:17.826\n我們昨天就是講嘛就是它這些用途其實都非常的重複那我現在要提的就是當這個案子我昨天講的這個案子喔如果我們有一個台灣也要做一個類似這樣子的經驗館好了可是這裡面可能涉及的是有博物館展場是文化部如果大家覺得說我們應該要來收集兒童的聲音就像猶太博物館之前也是收集兒童的聲音嘛\n\n01:18.726 --> 01:36.024\n但這件事情又是主管機關又是衛福部那如果有人大家會想說我外面想要做一個遊戲場主管機關好像又是內政部那請問當民間有一個這樣子的想法的話他到底要怎麼去進行這個平台或是這個流程大概是什麼可不可以請主委詳細說明一下\n\n01:37.526 --> 01:58.204\n好的,就我了解了,當然也許我們局長會有再補充,就我了解,這是一個整合的案子,進來會先進我們國發會,那國發會會診之後我們會送進我們的委員會,然後委員是由政府跟民間委員所組成的,他們會來核定這個案子,就我的了解是這樣。還是請局長詳細的說明好了,謝謝。\n\n02:01.131 --> 02:15.100\n謝謝委員關注那目前我們規劃要建置的這個平台除了可以申請可以公告我們的聯繫傳口跟提出申請案之外我們也特別會設置一個申請的專區那如果有跨部會的話我們會透過會審機制來\n\n02:18.002 --> 02:47.299\n综合各部会的合作另外就会提到我们的基金管理委员会来做最后的审议所以这个流程就是说假设我今天提的这个案子我们就依循档案局下面的一个申请窗口把我的企划我的想法送到档案局那档案局不会做任何的审查就直接会看他觉得哪个部会比较适合就把这个案子分到那个部会吗是这样吗还是我们会看这个案子的性质还有它的额度\n\n02:47.799 --> 03:10.172\n好那因为会涉及到那个各部会的专业的判断因此假设是单一的部会我们会直接请这个部会来评估这个案子有没有重复以及是不是放进我们的未来的计划如果是跨部会的话我们会尽情会审之后初步归纳一些初审的意见然后再提报到我们的基金管理会这边来做最后的意见\n\n03:10.832 --> 03:36.941\n這兩件事情我這樣聽起來有兩如果說今天他非常明確是單一部會的話就是你們收到案子後就直接派發到那個部會嘛確認沒有重複之後就會進到後面的這些審查的部會自己送到促短基金的委員會來做審查嘛對不對好但是如果今天是跨部會像以這個例子來說他跨了這麼多部會那你們要如何的去判斷這到底要做分到哪一個單位呢會不會每個單位都說這不屬於我的那這件事應該怎麼辦\n\n03:37.701 --> 03:59.807\n假設是屬委員所舉這個例子您提到有相關的部會那這些部會都會是我們邀請來談同時我們會找行政院的人權處以及主計總處等等我們會來會商它的可行性已經有沒有這個重複那另外這個整個因為如果是大案子我們會最後會提報到基金管理委會這邊來做最後的審議\n\n04:01.267 --> 04:13.052\n因為同時也想跟委員補充報告的就是在這個時候抱歉我先確認一下就是說在他送到基金管理委員會之前還不會確認是在哪一個部會對不對我們會建議我們會建議給委員參考所以等於是說好今天呢我們有這麼多不同部會我們會找他們一起來討論討論之後你們有檔案局這邊會建議一個單位\n\n04:24.457 --> 04:28.461\n我們會建議方案給委員提報到委員會來做討論所以這東西最後就是透過促轉基金的審查委員來決議這個案子到底要不要派到哪一個部會那到底是要多少預算對不對是在這個委員會裡面來處理那我想再確認一件事情就是說在額度的部分因為你剛有提到這個額度那這個額度原本的上限是設定多少呢\n\n04:49.101 --> 05:09.979\n我们目前对于各部会提报的预算并没有上限民间提案的预算目前规划上也没有打算有上限那刚刚提到额度的部分是什么额度的部分指的是它的核定的程序我们目前有一个给基金管理会的国发会议院是管理机关如果是200万以下我们在这个\n\n05:10.399 --> 05:14.522\n流程裡面可能這個主委這邊是召集人主委核定了之後我們就可以請部會來執行假設是高於這個額度我們就必須要經過基金管理會事先的審查那剛剛如果是200萬以下我們要事後跟基金管理會做備查\n\n05:26.790 --> 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