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00:00:46,084\n委員長部長早部長我請教因為稅收超徵創新高那兩個禮拜前對於本黨主張全民普發現金一萬元那本席也在總質詢的時候建議行政院提出對岸送立法院來討論卓院長當時也表示會朝這個方向來走\n\n3\n00:00:47,425 --> 00:01:08,755\n但是根據上個禮拜一財委會舉辦的稅收超徵還稅移民的公聽會財政部提出三大理由反對的事態演進請問部長財政部是不是吃了襯托鐵了心不甩卓院長的看法\n\n4\n00:01:10,475 --> 00:01:20,581\n跟委員報告首先對於我們的稅客收入優於預期那我們第一個當然是要減少舉債然後增加還債剩下的會到稅計剩餘去那如果在維持我們的財政的量能而且能夠保有財政韌性我們有餘的這個稅計剩餘要怎麼樣的運用那委員那一天在總諮詢也有提到您有相關的草案提案\n\n5\n00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:50,402\n那也認為說行政院可以提出相關的對談但是你們沒有提出來啊對那這個部分呢至於怎麼樣的運用那一天院長也說了會再考量而且會研議那我想這部分的運用行政院也在考量但是他是說朝這個方向去走\n\n6\n00:01:50,862 --> 00:02:17,437\n第一個方向第一個就是我們要考量國家長遠的一個發展第二個就是說第一個我們國家真正的需要施政的優先順序譬如說增強國防的自主能力或照顧民生照顧弱勢等等各種措施可以來做考量那今年國防各方面也都有增加預算啊對那這個部分我想這個部分行政院會就國家整體的一個發展來看這個財政要怎麼樣的做合理的運用還是那個莊部長是\n\n7\n00:02:20,839 --> 00:02:44,296\n你跟卓院長是不是扮演黑白臉啊在國會殿堂對全民打假球啊會不會這種狀況沒有這樣的一個情況沒有沒有這個情況而且有關相關的稅計剩餘也就是說稅收超過預期跟財政有剩餘這個是兩件事應該要等到決算以後才真正能夠算出來一個數據來那至於怎麼樣的運用我覺得會從國家整體發展來再考量\n\n8\n00:02:47,739 --> 00:03:13,960\n好那我請教你對於在野黨提出普發現金財政部有三大理由來反對甚至於把普發現金貼上還稅於民常態化的標籤那本席有幾點疑問我來請教部長112年為了普發現金財政部當時的主張與全民共享過去經濟發展的成果整體所需的經費將以稅計勝於支應\n\n9\n00:03:17,489 --> 00:03:34,646\n不會增加舉借債務甚至於還進一步來表示財政部配合國家發展的需要妥適應用財政政策來維繫整個經濟的穩定成長\n\n10\n00:03:37,308 --> 00:03:47,993\n並利用經濟成長來帶動稅收的增長適時來增加還債所以普發現金有理那我請問部長\n\n11\n00:03:49,959 --> 00:04:06,052\n為何114年的今天明明超徵稅收比111年還要多那在野黨提出普發現金就變成破壞財政紀律就變成舉債發現金的餘力進一步來說難道112年113年政府舉債過多沒有積極來還債所以才反對普發現金你的看法呢\n\n12\n00:04:20,323 --> 00:04:44,734\n跟委員說明第一個一百一十三年的稅客收入就屬於中央的部分並沒有比一百一十一年來的高一百一十一年屬於中央部分是四千零二億但是在一百一十三年屬於中央的是三千七百五十七億所以沒有比一百一十一年高第二個普發現金不宜常態化這個部分是我們一直主張的也就是說\n\n13\n00:04:46,234 --> 00:05:10,764\n這個普發現金當時有它的社會背景也就112年的時候我們行政院訂定了一個疫後強化經濟跟社會韌性全民共享經濟成果成果的特別條例在裡面有普發現金每人6000元那個時候第一個是因為經過疫情那在疫情期間呢因為台灣的防疫工作做得非常的好所以我們的製造業沒有停工整個經濟發展經濟的成果非常的亮眼那第二\n\n14\n00:05:14,465 --> 00:05:33,022\n另外有一些產業事實上也有受到疫情的衝擊所以這個部分應該要強化整個經濟跟社會的韌性所以把經濟成長的果實也和全民來共享我想那個當時有這樣的一個背景部長濁世驚灰啦驚灰財政部對普發現金的立場會不會讓人產生這種濁世驚灰的錯覺會不會\n\n15\n00:05:41,156 --> 00:06:04,541\n不會因為我們一直認為說這個稅款超過預期是因為經濟成長以及去年來說是股市熱絡那這些這個超過預期這個稅款在相關的法制裡面不管預算法或公共債務法都有已經有明確的規定都有明確規定那至於普發現金這個部分112年有當時他的一個政策他113年是不是1213舉債過多是不是這個樣子嗎\n\n16\n00:06:09,002 --> 00:06:35,967\n沒有舉債過多我們積極的還債其實我們的債務比例已經一直在下降已經到但是過去一兆八千多億財富多少而已到113年是25.8的債務比例遠跟40.6是差距很大的是那個部長反對還稅移民常態化請問部長對於常態化的先決條件是不是要在超徵稅收的條件下才有可能是不是\n\n17\n00:06:36,647 --> 00:06:41,628\n如果監察院在110年的調查報告指出來特別預算有常態化的現象並提到特別預算有胡編破壞整個預算體制的事情\n\n18\n00:06:55,512 --> 00:07:07,365\n那請問部長行政院的特別預算有常態化的餘率難道就不會有破壞財政紀律長期影響整個政府債務的餘率嗎難道這個就不會嗎\n\n19\n00:07:11,049 --> 00:07:36,162\n一個總預算和特別預算它兩者是相輔相成那預算法裡面也有規定因應國家的一個重大特殊的事故或推動了重大的政事可以編列特別預算那這個特別預算呢它是一個長期一個比較多年期的一個不是分年來做而且它的舉債都要跟總預算一樣舉債都要納入該縣的管制它不會去突破這個債務的控管\n\n20\n00:07:36,502 --> 00:07:57,233\n像那個特別預算新竹那個棒球場原來只2億最後又撥了10億的特別預算給他這個是應該的嗎對不對部長去年本席曾經問你啦美國總統川普今年1月上任後可能將推動高關稅境內減稅等政策新\n\n21\n00:07:58,354 --> 00:08:12,112\n新政成真之後財政部要如何面對市場波動與負面的影響當時你說未來各項稅務政策何時會落實實施強度又如何\n\n22\n00:08:14,114 --> 00:08:31,087\n對應相關國家為何財政部都會密切的觀察那我請問部長川普上任到今天剛好兩個月從財政主管業務的內容來說你認為有哪些層面受影響哪些層面影響最大\n\n23\n00:08:33,157 --> 00:08:42,025\n委員報告那川普上任以後有一些相關的關稅措施比如說對等關稅對等關稅到目前為止其實也沒有相關的具體實施的內容但是呢政府部門行政部門並不會鬆懈我們持續的在關注他所發布的相關的關稅的一些\n\n24\n00:08:53,455 --> 00:08:57,939\n政策也好或者是說相關的一些記錄也好而我們會研擬相關的一些方案同時財政部內部也會去盤點有關從美國進口也好或者是我們出口到美國的相關的貨品以及我們的關稅稅率跟美方的關稅稅率是如何我們這個部分都已經清點了\n\n25\n00:09:11,809 --> 00:09:25,264\n那個部長從台美租稅協定洽簽的時程來看你認為減少雙重課稅對台的對等性公平性會不會因為川普的美國優先的論調而產生變化會不會\n\n26\n00:09:28,851 --> 00:09:44,901\n跟委員報告這個這一屆的美國的國會新就任以後他的眾議院所通過的台美ADTA的兩項法案跟之前在上一屆國會的內容是完全一致那這個完全一致的內容在1月15號已經經過眾院的通過了目前要經過參院的一個審議那參院如果過了以後過了以後那就會跟就要經過總統簽署以後我們雙方在簽國際的文書在簽雙方文書的時候一定是\n\n27\n00:09:58,129 --> 00:10:18,980\n本於互惠平等的原則來做簽署部長雖然部長你說這個租稅協定是雙方有利的不管是台灣供應鏈到美國或美國到台灣的投資都有助避免被雙重課稅但是以川普目前的態度請問部長你對租稅協定洽簽的看法你認為還樂觀嗎\n\n28\n00:10:27,011 --> 00:10:30,052\n這個台美租稅協定呢不管是到我們赴美投資或來台灣投資的相關的個人跟企業都非常重視不管美台商會或台灣商會以及相關的工業總會都非常的重視然後他們也會運用各種場合去希望盡快推動這樣的一個法案通過\n\n29\n00:10:47,280 --> 00:11:08,453\n另外美國兩黨的國會議員也都相當支持所以才會在1月15號的時候眾院就已經那麼快速的通過目前參院也會有相關的提案基本上內容都跟上一次一樣我希望財政部在這方面要去多關注會的我們也跟美方一直在持續的做工作小組的討論\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n770\t13247\t謝謝主席 是不是請財政部莊部長好 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那我請教你對於在野黨提出普發現金財政部有三大理由來反對甚至於把普發現金貼上還稅於民常態化的標籤那本席有幾點疑問我來請教部長112年為了普發現金財政部當時的主張與全民共享過去經濟發展的成果整體所需的經費將以稅計勝於支應\n197489\t214646\t不會增加舉借債務甚至於還進一步來表示財政部配合國家發展的需要妥適應用財政政策來維繫整個經濟的穩定成長\n217308\t227993\t並利用經濟成長來帶動稅收的增長適時來增加還債所以普發現金有理那我請問部長\n229959\t246052\t為何114年的今天明明超徵稅收比111年還要多那在野黨提出普發現金就變成破壞財政紀律就變成舉債發現金的餘力進一步來說難道112年113年政府舉債過多沒有積極來還債所以才反對普發現金你的看法呢\n260323\t284734\t跟委員說明第一個一百一十三年的稅客收入就屬於中央的部分並沒有比一百一十一年來的高一百一十一年屬於中央部分是四千零二億但是在一百一十三年屬於中央的是三千七百五十七億所以沒有比一百一十一年高第二個普發現金不宜常態化這個部分是我們一直主張的也就是說\n286234\t310764\t這個普發現金當時有它的社會背景也就112年的時候我們行政院訂定了一個疫後強化經濟跟社會韌性全民共享經濟成果成果的特別條例在裡面有普發現金每人6000元那個時候第一個是因為經過疫情那在疫情期間呢因為台灣的防疫工作做得非常的好所以我們的製造業沒有停工整個經濟發展經濟的成果非常的亮眼那第二\n314465\t333022\t另外有一些產業事實上也有受到疫情的衝擊所以這個部分應該要強化整個經濟跟社會的韌性所以把經濟成長的果實也和全民來共享我想那個當時有這樣的一個背景部長 濁世驚灰啦 驚灰財政部對普發現金的立場會不會讓人產生這種濁世驚灰的錯覺 會不會\n341156\t364541\t不會因為我們一直認為說這個稅款超過預期是因為經濟成長以及去年來說是股市熱絡那這些這個超過預期這個稅款在相關的法制裡面不管預算法或公共債務法都有已經有明確的規定都有明確規定那至於普發現金這個部分112年有當時他的一個政策他113年是不是1213舉債過多是不是這個樣子嗎\n369002\t395967\t沒有舉債過多我們積極的還債其實我們的債務比例已經一直在下降已經到但是過去一兆八千多億財富多少而已到113年是25.8的債務比例遠跟40.6是差距很大的是那個部長反對還稅移民常態化請問部長對於常態化的先決條件是不是要在超徵稅收的條件下才有可能是不是\n396647\t401628\t如果監察院在110年的調查報告指出來特別預算有常態化的現象並提到特別預算有胡編破壞整個預算體制的事情\n415512\t427365\t那請問部長行政院的特別預算有常態化的餘率難道就不會有破壞財政紀律長期影響整個政府債務的餘率嗎難道這個就不會嗎\n431049\t456162\t一個總預算和特別預算它兩者是相輔相成那預算法裡面也有規定因應國家的一個重大特殊的事故或推動了重大的政事可以編列特別預算那這個特別預算呢它是一個長期一個比較多年期的一個不是分年來做而且它的舉債都要跟總預算一樣舉債都要納入該縣的管制它不會去突破這個債務的控管\n456502\t477233\t像那個特別預算新竹那個棒球場原來只2億最後又撥了10億的特別預算給他這個是應該的嗎對不對部長去年本席曾經問你啦美國總統川普今年1月上任後可能將推動高關稅境內減稅等政策新\n478354\t492112\t新政成真之後財政部要如何面對市場波動與負面的影響當時你說未來各項稅務政策何時會落實實施強度又如何\n494114\t511087\t對應相關國家為何財政部都會密切的觀察那我請問部長川普上任到今天剛好兩個月從財政主管業務的內容來說你認為有哪些層面受影響哪些層面影響最大\n513157\t522025\t委員報告那川普上任以後有一些相關的關稅措施比如說對等關稅對等關稅到目前為止其實也沒有相關的具體實施的內容但是呢政府部門行政部門並不會鬆懈我們持續的在關注他所發布的相關的關稅的一些\n533455\t537939\t政策也好或者是說相關的一些記錄也好而我們會研擬相關的一些方案同時財政部內部也會去盤點有關從美國進口也好或者是我們出口到美國的相關的貨品以及我們的關稅稅率跟美方的關稅稅率是如何我們這個部分都已經清點了\n551809\t565264\t那個部長從台美租稅協定洽簽的時程來看你認為減少雙重課稅對台的對等性公平性會不會因為川普的美國優先的論調而產生變化會不會\n568851\t584901\t跟委員報告這個這一屆的美國的國會新就任以後他的眾議院所通過的台美ADTA的兩項法案跟之前在上一屆國會的內容是完全一致那這個完全一致的內容在1月15號已經經過眾院的通過了目前要經過參院的一個審議那參院如果過了以後過了以後那就會跟就要經過總統簽署以後我們雙方在簽國際的文書在簽雙方文書的時候一定是\n598129\t618980\t本於互惠平等的原則來做簽署部長雖然部長你說這個租稅協定是雙方有利的不管是台灣供應鏈到美國或美國到台灣的投資都有助避免被雙重課稅但是以川普目前的態度請問部長你對租稅協定洽簽的看法你認為還樂觀嗎\n627011\t630052\t這個台美租稅協定呢不管是到我們赴美投資或來台灣投資的相關的個人跟企業都非常重視不管美台商會或台灣商會以及相關的工業總會都非常的重視然後他們也會運用各種場合去希望盡快推動這樣的一個法案通過\n647280\t668453\t另外美國兩黨的國會議員也都相當支持所以才會在1月15號的時候眾院就已經那麼快速的通過目前參院也會有相關的提案基本上內容都跟上一次一樣我希望財政部在這方面要去多關注會的 我們也跟美方一直在持續的做工作小組的討論\n","txt":"謝謝主席 是不是請財政部莊部長好 請莊部長\n委員長部長早部長我請教因為稅收超徵創新高那兩個禮拜前對於本黨主張全民普發現金一萬元那本席也在總質詢的時候建議行政院提出對岸送立法院來討論卓院長當時也表示會朝這個方向來走\n但是根據上個禮拜一 財委會舉辦的稅收超徵 還稅移民的公聽會財政部提出三大理由 反對的事態演進請問部長 財政部是不是吃了襯托 鐵了心 不甩卓院長的看法\n跟委員報告首先對於我們的稅客收入優於預期那我們第一個當然是要減少舉債然後增加還債剩下的會到稅計剩餘去那如果在維持我們的財政的量能而且能夠保有財政韌性我們有餘的這個稅計剩餘要怎麼樣的運用那委員那一天在總諮詢也有提到您有相關的草案提案\n那也認為說行政院可以提出相關的對談但是你們沒有提出來啊對那這個部分呢至於怎麼樣的運用那一天院長也說了會再考量而且會研議那我想這部分的運用行政院也在考量但是他是說朝這個方向去走\n第一個方向第一個就是我們要考量國家長遠的一個發展第二個就是說第一個我們國家真正的需要施政的優先順序譬如說增強國防的自主能力或照顧民生照顧弱勢等等各種措施可以來做考量那今年國防各方面也都有增加預算啊對那這個部分我想這個部分行政院會就國家整體的一個發展來看這個財政要怎麼樣的做合理的運用還是那個莊部長是\n你跟卓院長是不是扮演黑白臉啊在國會殿堂對全民打假球啊會不會這種狀況沒有這樣的一個情況沒有沒有這個情況而且有關相關的稅計剩餘也就是說稅收超過預期跟財政有剩餘這個是兩件事應該要等到決算以後才真正能夠算出來一個數據來那至於怎麼樣的運用我覺得會從國家整體發展來再考量\n好 那我請教你對於在野黨提出普發現金財政部有三大理由來反對甚至於把普發現金貼上還稅於民常態化的標籤那本席有幾點疑問我來請教部長112年為了普發現金財政部當時的主張與全民共享過去經濟發展的成果整體所需的經費將以稅計勝於支應\n不會增加舉借債務甚至於還進一步來表示財政部配合國家發展的需要妥適應用財政政策來維繫整個經濟的穩定成長\n並利用經濟成長來帶動稅收的增長適時來增加還債所以普發現金有理那我請問部長\n為何114年的今天明明超徵稅收比111年還要多那在野黨提出普發現金就變成破壞財政紀律就變成舉債發現金的餘力進一步來說難道112年113年政府舉債過多沒有積極來還債所以才反對普發現金你的看法呢\n跟委員說明第一個一百一十三年的稅客收入就屬於中央的部分並沒有比一百一十一年來的高一百一十一年屬於中央部分是四千零二億但是在一百一十三年屬於中央的是三千七百五十七億所以沒有比一百一十一年高第二個普發現金不宜常態化這個部分是我們一直主張的也就是說\n這個普發現金當時有它的社會背景也就112年的時候我們行政院訂定了一個疫後強化經濟跟社會韌性全民共享經濟成果成果的特別條例在裡面有普發現金每人6000元那個時候第一個是因為經過疫情那在疫情期間呢因為台灣的防疫工作做得非常的好所以我們的製造業沒有停工整個經濟發展經濟的成果非常的亮眼那第二\n另外有一些產業事實上也有受到疫情的衝擊所以這個部分應該要強化整個經濟跟社會的韌性所以把經濟成長的果實也和全民來共享我想那個當時有這樣的一個背景部長 濁世驚灰啦 驚灰財政部對普發現金的立場會不會讓人產生這種濁世驚灰的錯覺 會不會\n不會因為我們一直認為說這個稅款超過預期是因為經濟成長以及去年來說是股市熱絡那這些這個超過預期這個稅款在相關的法制裡面不管預算法或公共債務法都有已經有明確的規定都有明確規定那至於普發現金這個部分112年有當時他的一個政策他113年是不是1213舉債過多是不是這個樣子嗎\n沒有舉債過多我們積極的還債其實我們的債務比例已經一直在下降已經到但是過去一兆八千多億財富多少而已到113年是25.8的債務比例遠跟40.6是差距很大的是那個部長反對還稅移民常態化請問部長對於常態化的先決條件是不是要在超徵稅收的條件下才有可能是不是\n如果監察院在110年的調查報告指出來特別預算有常態化的現象並提到特別預算有胡編破壞整個預算體制的事情\n那請問部長行政院的特別預算有常態化的餘率難道就不會有破壞財政紀律長期影響整個政府債務的餘率嗎難道這個就不會嗎\n一個總預算和特別預算它兩者是相輔相成那預算法裡面也有規定因應國家的一個重大特殊的事故或推動了重大的政事可以編列特別預算那這個特別預算呢它是一個長期一個比較多年期的一個不是分年來做而且它的舉債都要跟總預算一樣舉債都要納入該縣的管制它不會去突破這個債務的控管\n像那個特別預算新竹那個棒球場原來只2億最後又撥了10億的特別預算給他這個是應該的嗎對不對部長去年本席曾經問你啦美國總統川普今年1月上任後可能將推動高關稅境內減稅等政策新\n新政成真之後財政部要如何面對市場波動與負面的影響當時你說未來各項稅務政策何時會落實實施強度又如何\n對應相關國家為何財政部都會密切的觀察那我請問部長川普上任到今天剛好兩個月從財政主管業務的內容來說你認為有哪些層面受影響哪些層面影響最大\n委員報告那川普上任以後有一些相關的關稅措施比如說對等關稅對等關稅到目前為止其實也沒有相關的具體實施的內容但是呢政府部門行政部門並不會鬆懈我們持續的在關注他所發布的相關的關稅的一些\n政策也好或者是說相關的一些記錄也好而我們會研擬相關的一些方案同時財政部內部也會去盤點有關從美國進口也好或者是我們出口到美國的相關的貨品以及我們的關稅稅率跟美方的關稅稅率是如何我們這個部分都已經清點了\n那個部長從台美租稅協定洽簽的時程來看你認為減少雙重課稅對台的對等性公平性會不會因為川普的美國優先的論調而產生變化會不會\n跟委員報告這個這一屆的美國的國會新就任以後他的眾議院所通過的台美ADTA的兩項法案跟之前在上一屆國會的內容是完全一致那這個完全一致的內容在1月15號已經經過眾院的通過了目前要經過參院的一個審議那參院如果過了以後過了以後那就會跟就要經過總統簽署以後我們雙方在簽國際的文書在簽雙方文書的時候一定是\n本於互惠平等的原則來做簽署部長雖然部長你說這個租稅協定是雙方有利的不管是台灣供應鏈到美國或美國到台灣的投資都有助避免被雙重課稅但是以川普目前的態度請問部長你對租稅協定洽簽的看法你認為還樂觀嗎\n這個台美租稅協定呢不管是到我們赴美投資或來台灣投資的相關的個人跟企業都非常重視不管美台商會或台灣商會以及相關的工業總會都非常的重視然後他們也會運用各種場合去希望盡快推動這樣的一個法案通過\n另外美國兩黨的國會議員也都相當支持所以才會在1月15號的時候眾院就已經那麼快速的通過目前參院也會有相關的提案基本上內容都跟上一次一樣我希望財政部在這方面要去多關注會的 我們也跟美方一直在持續的做工作小組的討論\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.770 --> 00:13.247\n謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長好請莊部長\n\n00:21.570 --> 00:46.084\n委員長部長早部長我請教因為稅收超徵創新高那兩個禮拜前對於本黨主張全民普發現金一萬元那本席也在總質詢的時候建議行政院提出對岸送立法院來討論卓院長當時也表示會朝這個方向來走\n\n00:47.425 --> 01:08.755\n但是根據上個禮拜一財委會舉辦的稅收超徵還稅移民的公聽會財政部提出三大理由反對的事態演進請問部長財政部是不是吃了襯托鐵了心不甩卓院長的看法\n\n01:10.475 --> 01:20.581\n跟委員報告首先對於我們的稅客收入優於預期那我們第一個當然是要減少舉債然後增加還債剩下的會到稅計剩餘去那如果在維持我們的財政的量能而且能夠保有財政韌性我們有餘的這個稅計剩餘要怎麼樣的運用那委員那一天在總諮詢也有提到您有相關的草案提案\n\n01:34.969 --> 01:50.402\n那也認為說行政院可以提出相關的對談但是你們沒有提出來啊對那這個部分呢至於怎麼樣的運用那一天院長也說了會再考量而且會研議那我想這部分的運用行政院也在考量但是他是說朝這個方向去走\n\n01:50.862 --> 02:17.437\n第一個方向第一個就是我們要考量國家長遠的一個發展第二個就是說第一個我們國家真正的需要施政的優先順序譬如說增強國防的自主能力或照顧民生照顧弱勢等等各種措施可以來做考量那今年國防各方面也都有增加預算啊對那這個部分我想這個部分行政院會就國家整體的一個發展來看這個財政要怎麼樣的做合理的運用還是那個莊部長是\n\n02:20.839 --> 02:44.296\n你跟卓院長是不是扮演黑白臉啊在國會殿堂對全民打假球啊會不會這種狀況沒有這樣的一個情況沒有沒有這個情況而且有關相關的稅計剩餘也就是說稅收超過預期跟財政有剩餘這個是兩件事應該要等到決算以後才真正能夠算出來一個數據來那至於怎麼樣的運用我覺得會從國家整體發展來再考量\n\n02:47.739 --> 03:13.960\n好那我請教你對於在野黨提出普發現金財政部有三大理由來反對甚至於把普發現金貼上還稅於民常態化的標籤那本席有幾點疑問我來請教部長112年為了普發現金財政部當時的主張與全民共享過去經濟發展的成果整體所需的經費將以稅計勝於支應\n\n03:17.489 --> 03:34.646\n不會增加舉借債務甚至於還進一步來表示財政部配合國家發展的需要妥適應用財政政策來維繫整個經濟的穩定成長\n\n03:37.308 --> 03:47.993\n並利用經濟成長來帶動稅收的增長適時來增加還債所以普發現金有理那我請問部長\n\n03:49.959 --> 04:06.052\n為何114年的今天明明超徵稅收比111年還要多那在野黨提出普發現金就變成破壞財政紀律就變成舉債發現金的餘力進一步來說難道112年113年政府舉債過多沒有積極來還債所以才反對普發現金你的看法呢\n\n04:20.323 --> 04:44.734\n跟委員說明第一個一百一十三年的稅客收入就屬於中央的部分並沒有比一百一十一年來的高一百一十一年屬於中央部分是四千零二億但是在一百一十三年屬於中央的是三千七百五十七億所以沒有比一百一十一年高第二個普發現金不宜常態化這個部分是我們一直主張的也就是說\n\n04:46.234 --> 05:10.764\n這個普發現金當時有它的社會背景也就112年的時候我們行政院訂定了一個疫後強化經濟跟社會韌性全民共享經濟成果成果的特別條例在裡面有普發現金每人6000元那個時候第一個是因為經過疫情那在疫情期間呢因為台灣的防疫工作做得非常的好所以我們的製造業沒有停工整個經濟發展經濟的成果非常的亮眼那第二\n\n05:14.465 --> 05:33.022\n另外有一些產業事實上也有受到疫情的衝擊所以這個部分應該要強化整個經濟跟社會的韌性所以把經濟成長的果實也和全民來共享我想那個當時有這樣的一個背景部長濁世驚灰啦驚灰財政部對普發現金的立場會不會讓人產生這種濁世驚灰的錯覺會不會\n\n05:41.156 --> 06:04.541\n不會因為我們一直認為說這個稅款超過預期是因為經濟成長以及去年來說是股市熱絡那這些這個超過預期這個稅款在相關的法制裡面不管預算法或公共債務法都有已經有明確的規定都有明確規定那至於普發現金這個部分112年有當時他的一個政策他113年是不是1213舉債過多是不是這個樣子嗎\n\n06:09.002 --> 06:35.967\n沒有舉債過多我們積極的還債其實我們的債務比例已經一直在下降已經到但是過去一兆八千多億財富多少而已到113年是25.8的債務比例遠跟40.6是差距很大的是那個部長反對還稅移民常態化請問部長對於常態化的先決條件是不是要在超徵稅收的條件下才有可能是不是\n\n06:36.647 --> 06:41.628\n如果監察院在110年的調查報告指出來特別預算有常態化的現象並提到特別預算有胡編破壞整個預算體制的事情\n\n06:55.512 --> 07:07.365\n那請問部長行政院的特別預算有常態化的餘率難道就不會有破壞財政紀律長期影響整個政府債務的餘率嗎難道這個就不會嗎\n\n07:11.049 --> 07:36.162\n一個總預算和特別預算它兩者是相輔相成那預算法裡面也有規定因應國家的一個重大特殊的事故或推動了重大的政事可以編列特別預算那這個特別預算呢它是一個長期一個比較多年期的一個不是分年來做而且它的舉債都要跟總預算一樣舉債都要納入該縣的管制它不會去突破這個債務的控管\n\n07:36.502 --> 07:57.233\n像那個特別預算新竹那個棒球場原來只2億最後又撥了10億的特別預算給他這個是應該的嗎對不對部長去年本席曾經問你啦美國總統川普今年1月上任後可能將推動高關稅境內減稅等政策新\n\n07:58.354 --> 08:12.112\n新政成真之後財政部要如何面對市場波動與負面的影響當時你說未來各項稅務政策何時會落實實施強度又如何\n\n08:14.114 --> 08:31.087\n對應相關國家為何財政部都會密切的觀察那我請問部長川普上任到今天剛好兩個月從財政主管業務的內容來說你認為有哪些層面受影響哪些層面影響最大\n\n08:33.157 --> 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