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00:01:15,516\n就是會發現一些比較遺憾的事件所以我們政府必須要再重申對這個國家的一個忠誠本來這個不是議題的議題啦現在就變成議題就代表他不是議題他應當是前提嘛\n\n5\n00:01:22,345 --> 00:01:24,268\n吳思瑤身為中華民國的國會議員、立法委員我必須對國家忠誠我必須克尊憲法對憲法忠誠我必須福音民意對人民忠誠當然我也要對我們的法治忠誠\n\n6\n00:01:38,946 --> 00:01:51,580\n所以當我們在參選的時候都填了很多的竊解書拒解書我沒有具雙重國籍的身份我也沒有任何犯罪的前科等等瑞雄大哥在這裡我們這個參選民選的每一次去審查我們登記要\n\n7\n00:01:59,527 --> 00:02:24,175\n參選厚厚一疊的文件一份一份一字一字讀一頁一頁的簽我拒絕就代表我負責我對於國家有效忠的義務所以剛剛您已經點到了當台灣面對中國這所謂的境外敵對勢力對台灣的步步進逼滲透從軍公教下手已經是\n\n8\n00:02:25,896 --> 00:02:42,496\n這個境外敵對勢力最容易侵入也是被高度鎖定的一個族群跟對象所以軍公教本來就是前提它不是新生議題喔對於國家的忠誠義務本來就存在我們國籍法20條怎麼規定的\n\n9\n00:02:44,918 --> 00:03:11,983\n身為中華民國的公務員不得具有雙重國籍雖然在2022年我們有放寬修法但是不是全面開放只是針對特定國家譬如說阿根廷他本身你想有該國國籍是不得放棄的這種極特殊的狀況可以排除否則基本上中華民國的公務人員都不應具有雙重國籍這是國際法的規定嘛\n\n10\n00:03:13,004 --> 00:03:27,873\n所以說現在因為中國的滲透現在陸委會發聲你們程序部或是人事總處已經進行了公務員的拒絕畏懼中國身份希望透過誠實的申報\n\n11\n00:03:29,614 --> 00:03:49,148\n然後協助來放棄如果有人有中國身份然後現在是只揭露並不進行裁罰目前是這個三階段對不對就是為了防範國安的漏洞那你們的執行規劃現在進行到什麼樣的狀態2月才上路\n\n12\n00:03:51,375 --> 00:04:03,924\n我跟委員報告一下目前各個機關還是在持續填血中未來我們會持續在精進等於黑標僅用電子化的方式這標這麼簡單也這麼明顯\n\n13\n00:04:07,186 --> 00:04:29,561\n幾行娘本人拒絕確實無台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條之一所定的情勢並未在中國大陸設有戶籍領用中國大陸護照身份證定居證或居住證如有不實願負法律責任拒絕人然後基本的職務機關的資訊\n\n14\n00:04:38,126 --> 00:04:42,968\n誠實來申報跟登載我也相信99.9999%的公務員絕對願意對國家忠誠我們的國家是誰是中華民國是台灣台灣是我們的國家\n\n15\n00:04:54,966 --> 00:05:02,712\n台灣是一個國家所以現有的法規公務人員依法守法更是我們的天職本分現在除了我剛剛講國際法20條兩岸人民關係條例國防法規範軍人\n\n16\n00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:38,887\n公務人員任用法第4條第28條都是規範我們的公務同仁以及教育人員任用條例規範的是教育人員法制都有軍公教依法守法這也是天經地義下頁但是很遺憾有人帶頭不拒絕還要去擴散不拒絕是他的權利\n\n17\n00:05:39,887 --> 00:06:04,559\n的這種作為人事總署應當以主管機關來表達你們清楚的立場吧如果對於不簽拒絕你們當然目前沒有裁罰啦沒有懲處但是你們如何去鼓勵正向鼓勵或者是你可以有信心百分之九十九點高高高高大家都願意拒絕\n\n18\n00:06:05,961 --> 00:06:23,481\n其實這個問題就像委員在說的那樣,大部分、百分之九、九點、九九、九,那些都沒問題啦!極少數的這些人,我們還是會請同仁,問了解他有什麼困難,我們會到三天,因為可能他會有其他的一些想法\n\n19\n00:06:24,282 --> 00:06:36,347\n保通嘛正向溝通嘛那人事總署目前自己因為你要以身作則啊我們人事總署目前的拒絕的狀況會有同仁拒簽嗎\n\n20\n00:06:37,469 --> 00:06:41,332\n我們都簽好了完全百分之百真好叫你第一名就用這個進行那是基本的這樣我們就也把這樣子的正向的誠實登載的義務我們真的要落實在各個部會所有的軍公教對國家忠誠是必然的義務包括立法委員也是下一頁\n\n21\n00:07:04,724 --> 00:07:23,497\n總預算對於人事總署其實最嚴重你們是重災戶下一頁這裡有三個預算刪減的設有違憲之處我就不贅述了下一頁我們來看看人事總署新年度的業務費刪減了3261萬佔21.69%對不對這數字正不正確正確\n\n22\n00:07:33,465 --> 00:07:41,171\n刪減了兩成二另外還凍結了三千五百三十一萬凍結了三成的業務費看起來都三千多萬三千多萬沒多啦但是人事總署的業務費全部也不過一億五千零三十三萬換言之凍結了兩成\n\n23\n00:07:56,565 --> 00:08:01,550\n對不起刪減了兩成二再凍結了三成加起來你們山東合併是51.69%就是52%的業務賣丁賣黨這樣有嚴重嗎\n\n24\n00:08:12,757 --> 00:08:14,599\n我們目前有為了因應這個三節運算我們委外的駕駛還有清潔都有減人所以駕駛跟清潔\n\n25\n00:08:28,571 --> 00:08:37,693\n所以也犧牲了一些這些約聘人員的就業機會那我其實當然我們都對於軍公教童人的福利福祉很多機關沒有衛生紙很多機關現在限電連燈光都要調暗我認為對於軍公教童人的服務的環境因為扼山扼洞預算我真的非常的不忍\n\n26\n00:08:56,798 --> 00:09:09,541\n對於人事總署我甚至看到因為你們山洞合併達五成二我發現人事總署聯合辦公大樓北洞的辦公室是不是有個辦公室\n\n27\n00:09:11,203 --> 00:09:28,893\n我們那裡都有五個機關英雄剛才是外交部領務局因為大家說他搬的北棟辦公室的人事總署在今年九月恐怕就要關門沒有辦法維持正常的運作會影響到民眾的辦公這是你們回給我的資料還有呢\n\n28\n00:09:30,914 --> 00:09:35,677\n影響人事總署辦理全國人事資訊系統的正常運作恐怕因為預算惡動惡砍導致資安的破口因為人事資料系統這都是大家珍貴的服務履歷大家的個資我也發現我長期要求的我倡議催生的心理健康價正在延逸上路包括對於所有的員工的這些支持方案讓他減壓\n\n29\n00:10:01,895 --> 00:10:27,008\n讓他減少他的壓力所以所謂的員工協助方案你們的辦理活動的場次分區訪視都因此要取消或減少這是對於員工的福利受到傷害當然還包括吳斯堯一直要求文康活動不是只有吃吃喝喝我們更要透過文康活動搭配國家政策大家運動動起來\n\n30\n00:10:29,289 --> 00:10:46,364\n搭配國家政策強化參與藝文活動但是這些都因為業務費被併被刪高達五成二而都必須減降或是中止我認為最嚴重的人事總署是重災戶\n\n31\n00:10:48,615 --> 00:11:10,544\n我剛剛說這幾件是不是你們目前很頭痛的業務受到影響的?那間房子很久了啦,大家也是盡量在站在內桌站在內桌,所以本來我們有一些文康會到比較遠的地方要租車,盡量叫他們去歷史博物館那裡,一例差不多有25個,讓他們問票這樣而已\n\n32\n00:11:14,185 --> 00:11:27,190\n去北美館、歷史博物館、台灣博物館都很好但是遠程的對於一些南部的中部原本規劃長期跟我們有合作的藝文場館或是一些民生古蹟或是文化資產\n\n33\n00:11:28,170 --> 00:11:50,494\n就沒有辦法讓我們的公務同仁去透過我們的文康活動或者是心理健康支持的協助方案也都沒有辦法減壓所以我知道人事總署所有的委員問都會問怎麼減壓怎麼調薪公務人員調薪的法制化這個會期可能會省到但是現在總預算刪得這麼亂公務人員今年加薪3%還沒有辦法領到\n\n34\n00:11:56,815 --> 00:12:16,720\n人事長加薪3%入帳戶了沒?還沒嗎?希望這個總預算當然現在立法院審閉然後附議失敗了即將就進入這個公告上路但是已經讓我們軍公教同仁等了很久的3%加薪\n\n35\n00:12:17,600 --> 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三千多萬沒多啦但是人事總署的業務費全部也不過一億五千零三十三萬換言之凍結了兩成\n476565\t481550\t對不起 刪減了兩成二 再凍結了三成加起來你們山東合併是51.69%就是52%的業務 賣丁賣黨這樣有嚴重嗎\n492757\t494599\t我們目前有為了因應這個三節運算我們委外的駕駛還有清潔都有減人所以駕駛跟清潔\n508571\t517693\t所以也犧牲了一些這些約聘人員的就業機會那我其實當然我們都對於軍公教童人的福利福祉很多機關沒有衛生紙很多機關現在限電連燈光都要調暗我認為對於軍公教童人的服務的環境因為扼山扼洞預算我真的非常的不忍\n536798\t549541\t對於人事總署我甚至看到因為你們山洞合併達五成二我發現人事總署聯合辦公大樓北洞的辦公室是不是有個辦公室\n551203\t568893\t我們那裡都有五個機關 英雄剛才是外交部領務局 因為大家說他搬的北棟辦公室的人事總署在今年九月恐怕就要關門 沒有辦法維持正常的運作會影響到民眾的辦公 這是你們回給我的資料還有呢\n570914\t575677\t影響人事總署辦理全國人事資訊系統的正常運作恐怕因為預算惡動惡砍導致資安的破口因為人事資料系統這都是大家珍貴的服務履歷大家的個資我也發現我長期要求的我倡議催生的心理健康價正在延逸上路包括對於所有的員工的這些支持方案讓他減壓\n601895\t627008\t讓他減少他的壓力所以所謂的員工協助方案你們的辦理活動的場次分區訪視都因此要取消或減少這是對於員工的福利受到傷害當然還包括吳斯堯一直要求文康活動不是只有吃吃喝喝我們更要透過文康活動搭配國家政策大家運動 動起來\n629289\t646364\t搭配國家政策強化參與藝文活動但是這些都因為業務費被併被刪高達五成二而都必須減降或是中止我認為最嚴重的人事總署是重災戶\n648615\t670544\t我剛剛說這幾件是不是你們目前很頭痛的業務受到影響的?那間房子很久了啦,大家也是盡量在站在內桌站在內桌,所以本來我們有一些文康會到比較遠的地方要租車,盡量叫他們去歷史博物館那裡,一例差不多有25個,讓他們問票這樣而已\n674185\t687190\t去北美館、歷史博物館、台灣博物館都很好但是遠程的對於一些南部的中部原本規劃長期跟我們有合作的藝文場館或是一些民生古蹟或是文化資產\n688170\t710494\t就沒有辦法讓我們的公務同仁去透過我們的文康活動或者是心理健康支持的協助方案也都沒有辦法減壓所以我知道人事總署所有的委員問都會問怎麼減壓怎麼調薪公務人員調薪的法制化這個會期可能會省到但是現在總預算刪得這麼亂公務人員今年加薪3%還沒有辦法領到\n716815\t736720\t人事長 加薪3%入帳戶了沒?還沒嗎?希望這個總預算 當然現在立法院審閉然後附議失敗了即將就進入這個公告上路但是已經讓我們軍公教同仁等了很久的3%加薪\n737600\t755430\t已經延遲了,現在3月快4月了所以這就是這個國家面對總預算造成的衝擊跟災難大家就辛苦,這是辛苦的一年但是服務國家的熱忱不減我們富有的國家忠誠義務也不會改變大家加油,謝謝\n","txt":"臺灣是一個獨立偉大的國家臺灣是一個獨立偉大的國家臺灣是一個獨立偉大的國家\n大家早安辛苦了我就以剛剛我說的西班牙文台灣是一個獨立的國家所以軍公教服務國家他負有忠誠義務下一頁那請問一下那個任市長您認為軍公教的忠誠義務是什麼\n我這裡跟委員報告一下,我們在西安訓練的,對家庭是大人要友好,對國家要尊重,那是我們西安訓練到盡的,這是核心價值,但是不知道兩岸關係緊張\n就是會發現一些比較遺憾的事件所以我們政府必須要再重申對這個國家的一個忠誠本來這個不是議題的議題啦現在就變成議題就代表他不是議題他應當是前提嘛\n吳思瑤身為中華民國的國會議員、立法委員我必須對國家忠誠我必須克尊憲法對憲法忠誠我必須福音民意對人民忠誠當然我也要對我們的法治忠誠\n所以當我們在參選的時候都填了很多的竊解書拒解書我沒有具雙重國籍的身份我也沒有任何犯罪的前科等等瑞雄大哥在這裡我們這個參選民選的每一次去審查我們登記要\n參選厚厚一疊的文件一份一份一字一字讀一頁一頁的簽我拒絕就代表我負責我對於國家有效忠的義務所以剛剛您已經點到了當台灣面對中國這所謂的境外敵對勢力對台灣的步步進逼滲透從軍公教下手已經是\n這個境外敵對勢力最容易侵入也是被高度鎖定的一個族群跟對象所以軍公教本來就是前提它不是新生議題喔對於國家的忠誠義務本來就存在我們國籍法20條怎麼規定的\n身為中華民國的公務員不得具有雙重國籍雖然在2022年我們有放寬修法但是不是全面開放只是針對特定國家譬如說阿根廷他本身你想有該國國籍是不得放棄的這種極特殊的狀況可以排除否則基本上中華民國的公務人員都不應具有雙重國籍這是國際法的規定嘛\n所以說現在因為中國的滲透現在陸委會發聲你們程序部或是人事總處已經進行了公務員的拒絕畏懼中國身份希望透過誠實的申報\n然後協助來放棄如果有人有中國身份然後現在是只揭露並不進行裁罰目前是這個三階段對不對就是為了防範國安的漏洞那你們的執行規劃現在進行到什麼樣的狀態2月才上路\n我跟委員報告一下 目前各個機關還是在持續填血中未來我們會持續在精進等於黑標 僅用電子化的方式這標這麼簡單 也這麼明顯\n幾行娘本人拒絕確實無台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條之一所定的情勢並未在中國大陸設有戶籍領用中國大陸護照身份證定居證或居住證如有不實願負法律責任拒絕人然後基本的職務機關的資訊\n誠實來申報跟登載我也相信99.9999%的公務員絕對願意對國家忠誠我們的國家是誰是中華民國是台灣台灣是我們的國家\n台灣是一個國家所以現有的法規公務人員依法守法更是我們的天職本分現在除了我剛剛講國際法20條兩岸人民關係條例國防法規範軍人\n公務人員任用法第4條第28條都是規範我們的公務同仁以及教育人員任用條例規範的是教育人員法制都有軍公教依法守法這也是天經地義下頁但是很遺憾有人帶頭不拒絕還要去擴散不拒絕是他的權利\n的這種作為人事總署應當以主管機關來表達你們清楚的立場吧如果對於不簽拒絕你們當然目前沒有裁罰啦沒有懲處但是你們如何去鼓勵正向鼓勵或者是你可以有信心百分之九十九點高高高高大家都願意拒絕\n其實這個問題就像委員在說的那樣,大部分、百分之九、九點、九九、九,那些都沒問題啦!極少數的這些人,我們還是會請同仁,問了解他有什麼困難,我們會到三天,因為可能他會有其他的一些想法\n保通嘛 正向溝通嘛那人事總署目前自己因為你要以身作則啊我們人事總署目前的拒絕的狀況會有同仁拒簽嗎\n我們都簽好了 完全 百分之百真好 叫你第一名 就用這個進行那是基本的這樣我們就也把這樣子的正向的誠實登載的義務我們真的要落實在各個部會所有的軍公教對國家忠誠是必然的義務包括立法委員也是下一頁\n總預算對於人事總署其實最嚴重你們是重災戶 下一頁這裡有三個預算刪減的設有違憲之處我就不贅述了 下一頁我們來看看人事總署新年度的業務費刪減了3261萬佔21.69%對不對 這數字正不正確正確\n刪減了兩成二另外還凍結了三千五百三十一萬凍結了三成的業務費看起來都三千多萬 三千多萬沒多啦但是人事總署的業務費全部也不過一億五千零三十三萬換言之凍結了兩成\n對不起 刪減了兩成二 再凍結了三成加起來你們山東合併是51.69%就是52%的業務 賣丁賣黨這樣有嚴重嗎\n我們目前有為了因應這個三節運算我們委外的駕駛還有清潔都有減人所以駕駛跟清潔\n所以也犧牲了一些這些約聘人員的就業機會那我其實當然我們都對於軍公教童人的福利福祉很多機關沒有衛生紙很多機關現在限電連燈光都要調暗我認為對於軍公教童人的服務的環境因為扼山扼洞預算我真的非常的不忍\n對於人事總署我甚至看到因為你們山洞合併達五成二我發現人事總署聯合辦公大樓北洞的辦公室是不是有個辦公室\n我們那裡都有五個機關 英雄剛才是外交部領務局 因為大家說他搬的北棟辦公室的人事總署在今年九月恐怕就要關門 沒有辦法維持正常的運作會影響到民眾的辦公 這是你們回給我的資料還有呢\n影響人事總署辦理全國人事資訊系統的正常運作恐怕因為預算惡動惡砍導致資安的破口因為人事資料系統這都是大家珍貴的服務履歷大家的個資我也發現我長期要求的我倡議催生的心理健康價正在延逸上路包括對於所有的員工的這些支持方案讓他減壓\n讓他減少他的壓力所以所謂的員工協助方案你們的辦理活動的場次分區訪視都因此要取消或減少這是對於員工的福利受到傷害當然還包括吳斯堯一直要求文康活動不是只有吃吃喝喝我們更要透過文康活動搭配國家政策大家運動 動起來\n搭配國家政策強化參與藝文活動但是這些都因為業務費被併被刪高達五成二而都必須減降或是中止我認為最嚴重的人事總署是重災戶\n我剛剛說這幾件是不是你們目前很頭痛的業務受到影響的?那間房子很久了啦,大家也是盡量在站在內桌站在內桌,所以本來我們有一些文康會到比較遠的地方要租車,盡量叫他們去歷史博物館那裡,一例差不多有25個,讓他們問票這樣而已\n去北美館、歷史博物館、台灣博物館都很好但是遠程的對於一些南部的中部原本規劃長期跟我們有合作的藝文場館或是一些民生古蹟或是文化資產\n就沒有辦法讓我們的公務同仁去透過我們的文康活動或者是心理健康支持的協助方案也都沒有辦法減壓所以我知道人事總署所有的委員問都會問怎麼減壓怎麼調薪公務人員調薪的法制化這個會期可能會省到但是現在總預算刪得這麼亂公務人員今年加薪3%還沒有辦法領到\n人事長 加薪3%入帳戶了沒?還沒嗎?希望這個總預算 當然現在立法院審閉然後附議失敗了即將就進入這個公告上路但是已經讓我們軍公教同仁等了很久的3%加薪\n已經延遲了,現在3月快4月了所以這就是這個國家面對總預算造成的衝擊跟災難大家就辛苦,這是辛苦的一年但是服務國家的熱忱不減我們富有的國家忠誠義務也不會改變大家加油,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.149 --> 00:02.831\n臺灣是一個獨立偉大的國家臺灣是一個獨立偉大的國家臺灣是一個獨立偉大的國家\n\n00:23.113 --> 00:42.759\n大家早安辛苦了我就以剛剛我說的西班牙文台灣是一個獨立的國家所以軍公教服務國家他負有忠誠義務下一頁那請問一下那個任市長您認為軍公教的忠誠義務是什麼\n\n00:47.284 --> 01:01.394\n我這裡跟委員報告一下,我們在西安訓練的,對家庭是大人要友好,對國家要尊重,那是我們西安訓練到盡的,這是核心價值,但是不知道兩岸關係緊張\n\n01:05.782 --> 01:15.516\n就是會發現一些比較遺憾的事件所以我們政府必須要再重申對這個國家的一個忠誠本來這個不是議題的議題啦現在就變成議題就代表他不是議題他應當是前提嘛\n\n01:22.345 --> 01:24.268\n吳思瑤身為中華民國的國會議員、立法委員我必須對國家忠誠我必須克尊憲法對憲法忠誠我必須福音民意對人民忠誠當然我也要對我們的法治忠誠\n\n01:38.946 --> 01:51.580\n所以當我們在參選的時候都填了很多的竊解書拒解書我沒有具雙重國籍的身份我也沒有任何犯罪的前科等等瑞雄大哥在這裡我們這個參選民選的每一次去審查我們登記要\n\n01:59.527 --> 02:24.175\n參選厚厚一疊的文件一份一份一字一字讀一頁一頁的簽我拒絕就代表我負責我對於國家有效忠的義務所以剛剛您已經點到了當台灣面對中國這所謂的境外敵對勢力對台灣的步步進逼滲透從軍公教下手已經是\n\n02:25.896 --> 02:42.496\n這個境外敵對勢力最容易侵入也是被高度鎖定的一個族群跟對象所以軍公教本來就是前提它不是新生議題喔對於國家的忠誠義務本來就存在我們國籍法20條怎麼規定的\n\n02:44.918 --> 03:11.983\n身為中華民國的公務員不得具有雙重國籍雖然在2022年我們有放寬修法但是不是全面開放只是針對特定國家譬如說阿根廷他本身你想有該國國籍是不得放棄的這種極特殊的狀況可以排除否則基本上中華民國的公務人員都不應具有雙重國籍這是國際法的規定嘛\n\n03:13.004 --> 03:27.873\n所以說現在因為中國的滲透現在陸委會發聲你們程序部或是人事總處已經進行了公務員的拒絕畏懼中國身份希望透過誠實的申報\n\n03:29.614 --> 03:49.148\n然後協助來放棄如果有人有中國身份然後現在是只揭露並不進行裁罰目前是這個三階段對不對就是為了防範國安的漏洞那你們的執行規劃現在進行到什麼樣的狀態2月才上路\n\n03:51.375 --> 04:03.924\n我跟委員報告一下目前各個機關還是在持續填血中未來我們會持續在精進等於黑標僅用電子化的方式這標這麼簡單也這麼明顯\n\n04:07.186 --> 04:29.561\n幾行娘本人拒絕確實無台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條之一所定的情勢並未在中國大陸設有戶籍領用中國大陸護照身份證定居證或居住證如有不實願負法律責任拒絕人然後基本的職務機關的資訊\n\n04:38.126 --> 04:42.968\n誠實來申報跟登載我也相信99.9999%的公務員絕對願意對國家忠誠我們的國家是誰是中華民國是台灣台灣是我們的國家\n\n04:54.966 --> 05:02.712\n台灣是一個國家所以現有的法規公務人員依法守法更是我們的天職本分現在除了我剛剛講國際法20條兩岸人民關係條例國防法規範軍人\n\n05:11.019 --> 05:38.887\n公務人員任用法第4條第28條都是規範我們的公務同仁以及教育人員任用條例規範的是教育人員法制都有軍公教依法守法這也是天經地義下頁但是很遺憾有人帶頭不拒絕還要去擴散不拒絕是他的權利\n\n05:39.887 --> 06:04.559\n的這種作為人事總署應當以主管機關來表達你們清楚的立場吧如果對於不簽拒絕你們當然目前沒有裁罰啦沒有懲處但是你們如何去鼓勵正向鼓勵或者是你可以有信心百分之九十九點高高高高大家都願意拒絕\n\n06:05.961 --> 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