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--> 00:00:54,178\n人事長早安剛才吼吳世耀委員有特別講到就說現在呢有做這個所謂的忠誠查核那人事長也說應該要做那請問一下我們現在在公務人員相關的法規裡面哪一條有規定公務人員必須去來填登錄這個有關於現在包含陸委會行政院要求的不能夠有大陸這個\n\n3\n00:00:56,212 --> 00:01:01,734\n居住證還什麼這個證那個證的這個登記現在哪一條有相關規定我跟委員報告經我們恰拉陸委會這是屬於內部管理事項所以是內部管理事項我們公務人員這個本來就有所謂的中程相關的規定那裡面包含就是公務人員也要恪守誓言中心\n\n4\n00:01:23,789 --> 00:01:33,114\n努力依法律命令所定執行其職務依法律命令所定所以我要講的是其實我必須說中華民國是一個法治的國家我們對公務人員要求的忠誠的要求這是正確的但是我覺得我們還是要有這個法律的精神\n\n5\n00:01:49,002 --> 00:01:53,924\n如果法律沒有明定這個公務人員本來我們就有很多相關的法律他不能夠違法違法就要去判違法就要處罰但是呢以所謂的內部的這個什麼準則啦或者陸委會的要求我覺得在這個部分我覺得是有商榷的餘地\n\n6\n00:02:11,511 --> 00:02:21,320\n那也就是說如果公務人員他願意去做登錄這是他的自由嘛那如果他不願意登錄說實在你願意登錄的他就不會叛國嗎他就不會當間諜嗎未必吧對不對所以我覺得在這一部分我覺得不要這樣的一個對公務人員如此的肅殺\n\n7\n00:02:34,651 --> 00:02:43,413\n好另外一個也是剛才的問題到目前為止我們軍公教今年加薪還沒有領到嘛沒有領到真正的原因啊過去呢在今年的年初因為當時的林楚韻委員說說這個軍公教加薪啊沒有入帳都是因為我們卡總預算但是我當時也提到了因為呢歷年\n\n8\n00:03:02,656 --> 00:03:27,156\n軍公教加薪不是今年才開始對不對歷年都有加薪但是呢歷年在立法院的總預算他可能都沒有辦法在12月31號就把它全部的通過所以呢過去好幾年的這個實施日期有的時候呢是1月多1月中有的時候會延遲到2月中當然今年今年應該創紀錄了今年應該是最晚領到\n\n9\n00:03:31,141 --> 00:03:57,980\n但是人事總署當時說得非常好因為不要引起我們很多軍公教不必要的恐慌人事總署當時就說啊軍公教加薪要等待總預算通過後回溯發放對不對這個應該沒有講錯好那立法院的總預算已經通過了但是呢因為行政院提出復議案\n\n10\n00:04:00,262 --> 00:04:10,485\n那麼立法院在復議案也處理完成了所以在上個星期3月13號立法院已經再次的送出復議案的結果我剛才要講的是總預算在2月19號就送出去了\n\n11\n00:04:22,449 --> 00:04:38,615\n但是呢為什麼沒有辦法這個正式就是為什麼到現在軍公教仍然拿不到他的調薪的部分呢是因為行政院遲遲沒有送行政那個總統府來公告行政院反而送回給立法院來做複議好來來回回你看\n\n12\n00:04:41,756 --> 00:05:04,549\n又快一個月了但是我們趕快加緊在法定的期限之內在3月13號把附議案送出送出到應該現在是總統府要公告所以基本上要等總統府公告之後這個軍公教才可以拿到他的條新的部分\n\n13\n00:05:06,095 --> 00:05:27,689\n有沒有問題我剛講的都沒有問題吧沒有啦本來就要總統府公告的時候我們才能夠繼續往下算每一個人要補多少這是法定的過程嘛法定的程序啦所以我要講的是軍公教今年出現歷年來最晚一次才拿到條薪它當然是回溯\n\n14\n00:05:29,033 --> 00:05:37,584\n是因為總預算變成一個政治性的操作過去總預算從來沒有拿來付益過\n\n15\n00:05:39,431 --> 00:05:51,417\n從未拿來附議過那你拿來附議我們立法院也必須依法去做處理所以現在也送出了我現在算一下時間我剛才去了解最晚最晚總統府應該在這個星期六應該在這個星期六要公告如果不公告的話呢\n\n16\n00:06:03,484 --> 00:06:24,441\n就違反法定程序所以在這邊人事長是不是很確定的說只要總統府公告軍公教立刻可以拿到這個就從1我們可以補發回溯發放從1月份開始發放讓軍公教安心啊\n\n17\n00:06:25,949 --> 00:06:38,957\n我這裡要跟委員報告一下整個預算案的這一次的預算案事實上對很多機關有造成一些自愛燃省的地方啦你們已經講了半天還有造謠的咧我現在在問你軍公教因為我知道廣大的軍公教很關心這個事情啊在流程上是不是總統府公告之後\n\n18\n00:06:48,963 --> 00:06:55,506\n總統府公告之後我們會發函給各個機關然後各個機關會去試算要補發多少錢就要開始補發了嘛對不對這都法定程序啊所以我知道因為星期六就是假日啊我不曉得總統府會不會在明天公告啦\n\n19\n00:07:07,411 --> 00:07:21,961\n所以我要讓所有軍公教安心因為在立法院裡面的大家的政治攻防事實上這次總預算已經變成了一個不是攻防是政治的鬥爭我剛剛講裡面還有很多的謠言太多的部會首長都謠言昨天洪森漢這個勞動部長自己都說我口誤他說什麼育兒今天根本都是錯誤的所以我們要讓所有的軍公教來安心\n\n20\n00:07:37,171 --> 00:07:39,693\n好那任市長剩下一點時間請問一下因為現在立法院我們還有就是有關於國定假日的修法那當然這個有問內政部長啦因為這個是在內政委員會在審查中\n\n21\n00:07:54,344 --> 00:08:09,206\n那我們都知道現在台灣的勞工價比別人少薪水比別人低我們可以看到我們鄰近的各個國家日本韓國香港中國台灣國定假日台灣最少\n\n22\n00:08:10,127 --> 00:08:14,351\n最少只有12天最多的是香港17天萊茲辛斯的排序我們是第44位只高於中國大陸也比韓國日本香港都低\n\n23\n00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:46,852\n可是人家日本韓國香港他們的國定假日都比我們多所以現在呢我們說還假於民好下一頁而且還假於民呢也得到很多很多的民眾的支持可以看到將近六成民眾支持所以任市長\n\n24\n00:08:48,314 --> 00:09:07,174\n請問您知不支持我們有更多的在這次檢討裡面有提出更多的國定假日不要讓台灣變成嫁比其他國家少這麼多的一個勞工血汗勞工\n\n25\n00:09:08,095 --> 00:09:29,537\n您支持嗎?我跟委員報告一下,事實上目前國定假日我們是11天,跟新加坡一樣那在立法院在2000年,也就是89年6月30號有做成一個公務人員的每一年休假的天數,大概115到116那116是因為論年的問題\n\n26\n00:09:31,138 --> 00:09:46,557\n所以基本上115的這一個每一年的休假的天數這個在全世界來講相當合理啦事實上哪一天我來說其實很重要的就是放假的部分大家都希望多放幾天啦\n\n27\n00:09:48,518 --> 00:10:03,486\n然後要考慮到各個營業人因為台灣有很多的中小企業的業主他本身的經營的負擔會不會增加很多的面向要同時考量當大家的那一種共識度高的時候我更具體一點問任市長因為這一次修訂裡面當然有很多的假期比如說有教師節\n\n28\n00:10:10,149 --> 00:10:29,024\n那個五一那個勞動節啊還有習近平紀念日還有823很多好但是我請問一下因為很多人覺得不要一國兩制所以五一勞動節能夠變成全國性的法定國定假日您同意嗎\n\n29\n00:10:30,825 --> 00:10:44,232\n呃報告委員我不反對這個議題啦嗯為什麼給我一點時間為什麼不反對就是我今天很精確的問你是五一勞動節變成大家全民放假的國定假日因為每次一個家庭啊\n\n30\n00:10:45,313 --> 00:11:13,386\n那個什麼媽媽是老師爸爸是那個什麼勞工然後有公務員哇一個家庭亂七八糟的假這樣子我跟委員報告我沒反對的原因就是因為節日實施方法在內政部在訂嘛這個禮拜一還有下個禮拜三內政委員會都會開會討論事實上基本上我們會尊重整個內政部的一個放假日的一個規劃\n\n31\n00:11:15,167 --> 00:11:25,015\n所以五一勞動節成為法定的假日國定假日您同意教師節也變成全國性的國定法定假日您同意嗎\n\n32\n00:11:36,943 --> 00:11:52,851\n委員你現在提到的就是各個族群的問題必須要去綜合考量本來是勞工現在又有教師有九月三號金人節還有各個不同族群的九三金人節沒有放我現在跟你講確實在放假的\n\n33\n00:11:54,219 --> 00:12:19,392\n確實在放假的酒吧教師姐姨也有放假所以這個問題為什麼大家要一起討論有一個共識再來推因為大家的看法都不太一樣沒關係我至少知道你這個勞動節變成全體放假你不反對非常好我予以高度肯定好不好謝謝王威委員這個議題他特別聽得很清楚你知道嗎\n\n34\n00:12:23,035 --> 00:12:23,439\n每一年都要討論\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9496\t22465\t首先謝謝主席我第一次到488自委會有喝到咖啡知道妳要來所以喘咖啡好謝謝主席請我們的人事總長請人事長委員早安\n27628\t54178\t人事長早安剛才吼吳世耀委員有特別講到就說現在呢有做這個所謂的忠誠查核那人事長也說應該要做那請問一下我們現在在公務人員相關的法規裡面哪一條有規定公務人員必須去來填登錄這個有關於現在包含陸委會行政院要求的不能夠有大陸這個\n56212\t61734\t居住證還什麼這個證那個證的這個登記現在哪一條有相關規定我跟委員報告 經我們恰拉陸委會這是屬於內部管理事項所以是內部管理事項我們公務人員這個本來就有所謂的中程相關的規定那裡面包含就是公務人員也要恪守誓言中心\n83789\t93114\t努力依法律命令所定執行其職務 依法律命令所定所以我要講的是 其實我必須說中華民國是一個法治的國家我們對公務人員要求的忠誠的要求 這是正確的但是我覺得我們還是要有這個法律的精神\n109002\t113924\t如果法律沒有明定 這個公務人員本來我們就有很多相關的法律他不能夠違法 違法就要去判 違法就要處罰但是呢 以所謂的內部的這個什麼準則啦 或者陸委會的要求我覺得在這個部分 我覺得是有商榷的餘地\n131511\t141320\t那也就是說如果公務人員他願意去做登錄這是他的自由嘛那如果他不願意登錄說實在你願意登錄的他就不會叛國嗎他就不會當間諜嗎未必吧 對不對所以我覺得在這一部分我覺得不要這樣的一個對公務人員如此的肅殺\n154651\t163413\t好 另外一個 也是剛才的問題到目前為止 我們軍公教今年加薪還沒有領到嘛沒有領到真正的原因啊過去呢 在今年的年初因為當時的林楚韻委員說說這個軍公教加薪啊 沒有入帳都是因為我們卡總預算但是我當時也提到了因為呢 歷年\n182656\t207156\t軍公教加薪不是今年才開始對不對歷年都有加薪但是呢歷年在立法院的總預算他可能都沒有辦法在12月31號就把它全部的通過所以呢過去好幾年的這個實施日期有的時候呢是1月多1月中有的時候會延遲到2月中當然今年今年應該創紀錄了今年應該是最晚領到\n211141\t237980\t但是人事總署當時說得非常好因為不要引起我們很多軍公教不必要的恐慌人事總署當時就說啊軍公教加薪要等待總預算通過後回溯發放對不對 這個應該沒有講錯好 那立法院的總預算已經通過了但是呢 因為行政院提出復議案\n240262\t250485\t那麼立法院在復議案也處理完成了所以在上個星期3月13號立法院已經再次的送出復議案的結果我剛才要講的是總預算在2月19號就送出去了\n262449\t278615\t但是呢為什麼沒有辦法這個正式就是為什麼到現在軍公教仍然拿不到他的調薪的部分呢是因為行政院遲遲沒有送行政那個總統府來公告行政院反而送回給立法院來做複議好來來回回你看\n281756\t304549\t又快一個月了但是我們趕快加緊在法定的期限之內在3月13號把附議案送出送出到應該現在是總統府要公告所以基本上要等總統府公告之後這個軍公教才可以拿到他的條新的部分\n306095\t327689\t有沒有問題 我剛講的都沒有問題吧沒有啦 本來就要總統府公告的時候我們才能夠繼續往下算每一個人要補多少這是法定的過程嘛 法定的程序啦所以我要講的是 軍公教今年出現歷年來最晚一次才拿到條薪 它當然是回溯\n329033\t337584\t是因為總預算變成一個政治性的操作過去總預算從來沒有拿來付益過\n339431\t351417\t從未拿來附議過那你拿來附議我們立法院也必須依法去做處理所以現在也送出了我現在算一下時間我剛才去了解最晚最晚總統府應該在這個星期六應該在這個星期六要公告如果不公告的話呢\n363484\t384441\t就違反法定程序所以在這邊人事長是不是很確定的說只要總統府公告軍公教立刻可以拿到這個就從1我們可以補發回溯發放從1月份開始發放讓軍公教安心啊\n385949\t398957\t我這裡要跟委員報告一下整個預算案的這一次的預算案事實上對很多機關有造成一些自愛燃省的地方啦你們已經講了半天還有造謠的咧我現在在問你軍公教因為我知道廣大的軍公教很關心這個事情啊在流程上是不是總統府公告之後\n408963\t415506\t總統府公告之後 我們會發函給各個機關然後各個機關會去試算要補發多少錢就要開始補發了嘛對不對 這都法定程序啊所以我知道 因為星期六就是假日啊我不曉得總統府會不會在明天公告啦\n427411\t441961\t所以我要讓所有軍公教安心因為在立法院裡面的大家的政治攻防事實上這次總預算已經變成了一個不是攻防是政治的鬥爭我剛剛講裡面還有很多的謠言太多的部會首長都謠言昨天洪森漢這個勞動部長自己都說我口誤他說什麼育兒今天根本都是錯誤的所以我們要讓所有的軍公教來安心\n457171\t459693\t好 那任市長剩下一點時間 請問一下因為現在立法院 我們還有就是有關於國定假日的修法那當然這個 有問內政部長啦 因為這個是在內政委員會在審查中\n474344\t489206\t那我們都知道 現在台灣的勞工 價比別人少 薪水比別人低我們可以看到 我們鄰近的各個國家日本 韓國 香港 中國 台灣 國定假日 台灣最少\n490127\t494351\t最少只有12天最多的是香港17天萊茲辛斯的排序我們是第44位 只高於中國大陸也比韓國 日本 香港都低\n509042\t526852\t可是人家日本 韓國 香港 他們的國定假日都比我們多所以現在呢 我們說還假於民 好 下一頁而且還假於民呢 也得到很多很多的民眾的支持可以看到將近六成民眾支持所以 任市長\n528314\t547174\t請問您知不支持我們有更多的在這次檢討裡面有提出更多的國定假日不要讓台灣變成嫁比其他國家少這麼多的一個勞工血汗勞工\n548095\t569537\t您支持嗎?我跟委員報告一下,事實上目前國定假日我們是11天,跟新加坡一樣那在立法院在2000年,也就是89年6月30號有做成一個公務人員的每一年休假的天數,大概115到116那116是因為論年的問題\n571138\t586557\t所以基本上115的這一個每一年的休假的天數這個在全世界來講相當合理啦事實上哪一天我來說其實很重要的就是放假的部分大家都希望多放幾天啦\n588518\t603486\t然後要考慮到各個營業人因為台灣有很多的中小企業的業主他本身的經營的負擔會不會增加很多的面向要同時考量當大家的那一種共識度高的時候我更具體一點問任市長因為這一次修訂裡面當然有很多的假期比如說有教師節\n610149\t629024\t那個五一那個勞動節啊還有習近平紀念日還有823很多好但是我請問一下因為很多人覺得不要一國兩制所以五一勞動節能夠變成全國性的法定國定假日您同意嗎\n630825\t644232\t呃 報告委員我不反對這個議題啦嗯 為什麼給我一點時間為什麼不反對就是我今天很精確的問你是五一勞動節變成大家全民放假的國定假日因為每次一個家庭啊\n645313\t673386\t那個什麼媽媽是老師 爸爸是那個什麼勞工然後有公務員 哇一個家庭亂七八糟的假這樣子我跟委員報告 我沒反對的原因就是因為節日實施方法在內政部在訂嘛這個禮拜一還有下個禮拜三內政委員會都會開會討論事實上基本上我們會尊重整個內政部的一個放假日的一個規劃\n675167\t685015\t所以五一勞動節成為法定的假日 國定假日 您同意教師節也變成全國性的國定法定假日 您同意嗎\n696943\t712851\t委員你現在提到的就是各個族群的問題必須要去綜合考量本來是勞工現在又有教師有九月三號金人節還有各個不同族群的九三金人節沒有放我現在跟你講確實在放假的\n714219\t739392\t確實在放假的 酒吧教師姐姨也有放假所以這個問題為什麼大家要一起討論有一個共識再來推因為大家的看法都不太一樣沒關係 我至少知道你這個勞動節變成全體放假你不反對 非常好我予以高度肯定 好不好謝謝王威委員這個議題他特別聽得很清楚你知道嗎\n743035\t743439\t每一年都要討論\n","txt":"首先謝謝主席我第一次到488自委會有喝到咖啡知道妳要來所以喘咖啡好謝謝主席請我們的人事總長請人事長委員早安\n人事長早安剛才吼吳世耀委員有特別講到就說現在呢有做這個所謂的忠誠查核那人事長也說應該要做那請問一下我們現在在公務人員相關的法規裡面哪一條有規定公務人員必須去來填登錄這個有關於現在包含陸委會行政院要求的不能夠有大陸這個\n居住證還什麼這個證那個證的這個登記現在哪一條有相關規定我跟委員報告 經我們恰拉陸委會這是屬於內部管理事項所以是內部管理事項我們公務人員這個本來就有所謂的中程相關的規定那裡面包含就是公務人員也要恪守誓言中心\n努力依法律命令所定執行其職務 依法律命令所定所以我要講的是 其實我必須說中華民國是一個法治的國家我們對公務人員要求的忠誠的要求 這是正確的但是我覺得我們還是要有這個法律的精神\n如果法律沒有明定 這個公務人員本來我們就有很多相關的法律他不能夠違法 違法就要去判 違法就要處罰但是呢 以所謂的內部的這個什麼準則啦 或者陸委會的要求我覺得在這個部分 我覺得是有商榷的餘地\n那也就是說如果公務人員他願意去做登錄這是他的自由嘛那如果他不願意登錄說實在你願意登錄的他就不會叛國嗎他就不會當間諜嗎未必吧 對不對所以我覺得在這一部分我覺得不要這樣的一個對公務人員如此的肅殺\n好 另外一個 也是剛才的問題到目前為止 我們軍公教今年加薪還沒有領到嘛沒有領到真正的原因啊過去呢 在今年的年初因為當時的林楚韻委員說說這個軍公教加薪啊 沒有入帳都是因為我們卡總預算但是我當時也提到了因為呢 歷年\n軍公教加薪不是今年才開始對不對歷年都有加薪但是呢歷年在立法院的總預算他可能都沒有辦法在12月31號就把它全部的通過所以呢過去好幾年的這個實施日期有的時候呢是1月多1月中有的時候會延遲到2月中當然今年今年應該創紀錄了今年應該是最晚領到\n但是人事總署當時說得非常好因為不要引起我們很多軍公教不必要的恐慌人事總署當時就說啊軍公教加薪要等待總預算通過後回溯發放對不對 這個應該沒有講錯好 那立法院的總預算已經通過了但是呢 因為行政院提出復議案\n那麼立法院在復議案也處理完成了所以在上個星期3月13號立法院已經再次的送出復議案的結果我剛才要講的是總預算在2月19號就送出去了\n但是呢為什麼沒有辦法這個正式就是為什麼到現在軍公教仍然拿不到他的調薪的部分呢是因為行政院遲遲沒有送行政那個總統府來公告行政院反而送回給立法院來做複議好來來回回你看\n又快一個月了但是我們趕快加緊在法定的期限之內在3月13號把附議案送出送出到應該現在是總統府要公告所以基本上要等總統府公告之後這個軍公教才可以拿到他的條新的部分\n有沒有問題 我剛講的都沒有問題吧沒有啦 本來就要總統府公告的時候我們才能夠繼續往下算每一個人要補多少這是法定的過程嘛 法定的程序啦所以我要講的是 軍公教今年出現歷年來最晚一次才拿到條薪 它當然是回溯\n是因為總預算變成一個政治性的操作過去總預算從來沒有拿來付益過\n從未拿來附議過那你拿來附議我們立法院也必須依法去做處理所以現在也送出了我現在算一下時間我剛才去了解最晚最晚總統府應該在這個星期六應該在這個星期六要公告如果不公告的話呢\n就違反法定程序所以在這邊人事長是不是很確定的說只要總統府公告軍公教立刻可以拿到這個就從1我們可以補發回溯發放從1月份開始發放讓軍公教安心啊\n我這裡要跟委員報告一下整個預算案的這一次的預算案事實上對很多機關有造成一些自愛燃省的地方啦你們已經講了半天還有造謠的咧我現在在問你軍公教因為我知道廣大的軍公教很關心這個事情啊在流程上是不是總統府公告之後\n總統府公告之後 我們會發函給各個機關然後各個機關會去試算要補發多少錢就要開始補發了嘛對不對 這都法定程序啊所以我知道 因為星期六就是假日啊我不曉得總統府會不會在明天公告啦\n所以我要讓所有軍公教安心因為在立法院裡面的大家的政治攻防事實上這次總預算已經變成了一個不是攻防是政治的鬥爭我剛剛講裡面還有很多的謠言太多的部會首長都謠言昨天洪森漢這個勞動部長自己都說我口誤他說什麼育兒今天根本都是錯誤的所以我們要讓所有的軍公教來安心\n好 那任市長剩下一點時間 請問一下因為現在立法院 我們還有就是有關於國定假日的修法那當然這個 有問內政部長啦 因為這個是在內政委員會在審查中\n那我們都知道 現在台灣的勞工 價比別人少 薪水比別人低我們可以看到 我們鄰近的各個國家日本 韓國 香港 中國 台灣 國定假日 台灣最少\n最少只有12天最多的是香港17天萊茲辛斯的排序我們是第44位 只高於中國大陸也比韓國 日本 香港都低\n可是人家日本 韓國 香港 他們的國定假日都比我們多所以現在呢 我們說還假於民 好 下一頁而且還假於民呢 也得到很多很多的民眾的支持可以看到將近六成民眾支持所以 任市長\n請問您知不支持我們有更多的在這次檢討裡面有提出更多的國定假日不要讓台灣變成嫁比其他國家少這麼多的一個勞工血汗勞工\n您支持嗎?我跟委員報告一下,事實上目前國定假日我們是11天,跟新加坡一樣那在立法院在2000年,也就是89年6月30號有做成一個公務人員的每一年休假的天數,大概115到116那116是因為論年的問題\n所以基本上115的這一個每一年的休假的天數這個在全世界來講相當合理啦事實上哪一天我來說其實很重要的就是放假的部分大家都希望多放幾天啦\n然後要考慮到各個營業人因為台灣有很多的中小企業的業主他本身的經營的負擔會不會增加很多的面向要同時考量當大家的那一種共識度高的時候我更具體一點問任市長因為這一次修訂裡面當然有很多的假期比如說有教師節\n那個五一那個勞動節啊還有習近平紀念日還有823很多好但是我請問一下因為很多人覺得不要一國兩制所以五一勞動節能夠變成全國性的法定國定假日您同意嗎\n呃 報告委員我不反對這個議題啦嗯 為什麼給我一點時間為什麼不反對就是我今天很精確的問你是五一勞動節變成大家全民放假的國定假日因為每次一個家庭啊\n那個什麼媽媽是老師 爸爸是那個什麼勞工然後有公務員 哇一個家庭亂七八糟的假這樣子我跟委員報告 我沒反對的原因就是因為節日實施方法在內政部在訂嘛這個禮拜一還有下個禮拜三內政委員會都會開會討論事實上基本上我們會尊重整個內政部的一個放假日的一個規劃\n所以五一勞動節成為法定的假日 國定假日 您同意教師節也變成全國性的國定法定假日 您同意嗎\n委員你現在提到的就是各個族群的問題必須要去綜合考量本來是勞工現在又有教師有九月三號金人節還有各個不同族群的九三金人節沒有放我現在跟你講確實在放假的\n確實在放假的 酒吧教師姐姨也有放假所以這個問題為什麼大家要一起討論有一個共識再來推因為大家的看法都不太一樣沒關係 我至少知道你這個勞動節變成全體放假你不反對 非常好我予以高度肯定 好不好謝謝王威委員這個議題他特別聽得很清楚你知道嗎\n每一年都要討論\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.496 --> 00:22.465\n首先謝謝主席我第一次到488自委會有喝到咖啡知道妳要來所以喘咖啡好謝謝主席請我們的人事總長請人事長委員早安\n\n00:27.628 --> 00:54.178\n人事長早安剛才吼吳世耀委員有特別講到就說現在呢有做這個所謂的忠誠查核那人事長也說應該要做那請問一下我們現在在公務人員相關的法規裡面哪一條有規定公務人員必須去來填登錄這個有關於現在包含陸委會行政院要求的不能夠有大陸這個\n\n00:56.212 --> 01:01.734\n居住證還什麼這個證那個證的這個登記現在哪一條有相關規定我跟委員報告經我們恰拉陸委會這是屬於內部管理事項所以是內部管理事項我們公務人員這個本來就有所謂的中程相關的規定那裡面包含就是公務人員也要恪守誓言中心\n\n01:23.789 --> 01:33.114\n努力依法律命令所定執行其職務依法律命令所定所以我要講的是其實我必須說中華民國是一個法治的國家我們對公務人員要求的忠誠的要求這是正確的但是我覺得我們還是要有這個法律的精神\n\n01:49.002 --> 01:53.924\n如果法律沒有明定這個公務人員本來我們就有很多相關的法律他不能夠違法違法就要去判違法就要處罰但是呢以所謂的內部的這個什麼準則啦或者陸委會的要求我覺得在這個部分我覺得是有商榷的餘地\n\n02:11.511 --> 02:21.320\n那也就是說如果公務人員他願意去做登錄這是他的自由嘛那如果他不願意登錄說實在你願意登錄的他就不會叛國嗎他就不會當間諜嗎未必吧對不對所以我覺得在這一部分我覺得不要這樣的一個對公務人員如此的肅殺\n\n02:34.651 --> 02:43.413\n好另外一個也是剛才的問題到目前為止我們軍公教今年加薪還沒有領到嘛沒有領到真正的原因啊過去呢在今年的年初因為當時的林楚韻委員說說這個軍公教加薪啊沒有入帳都是因為我們卡總預算但是我當時也提到了因為呢歷年\n\n03:02.656 --> 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台灣最少"},{"start":490.127,"end":494.351,"text":"最少只有12天最多的是香港17天萊茲辛斯的排序我們是第44位 只高於中國大陸也比韓國 日本 香港都低"},{"start":509.042,"end":526.852,"text":"可是人家日本 韓國 香港 他們的國定假日都比我們多所以現在呢 我們說還假於民 好 下一頁而且還假於民呢 也得到很多很多的民眾的支持可以看到將近六成民眾支持所以 任市長"},{"start":528.314,"end":547.174,"text":"請問您知不支持我們有更多的在這次檢討裡面有提出更多的國定假日不要讓台灣變成嫁比其他國家少這麼多的一個勞工血汗勞工"},{"start":548.095,"end":569.537,"text":"您支持嗎?我跟委員報告一下,事實上目前國定假日我們是11天,跟新加坡一樣那在立法院在2000年,也就是89年6月30號有做成一個公務人員的每一年休假的天數,大概115到116那116是因為論年的問題"},{"start":571.138,"end":586.557,"text":"所以基本上115的這一個每一年的休假的天數這個在全世界來講相當合理啦事實上哪一天我來說其實很重要的就是放假的部分大家都希望多放幾天啦"},{"start":588.518,"end":603.486,"text":"然後要考慮到各個營業人因為台灣有很多的中小企業的業主他本身的經營的負擔會不會增加很多的面向要同時考量當大家的那一種共識度高的時候我更具體一點問任市長因為這一次修訂裡面當然有很多的假期比如說有教師節"},{"start":610.149,"end":629.024,"text":"那個五一那個勞動節啊還有習近平紀念日還有823很多好但是我請問一下因為很多人覺得不要一國兩制所以五一勞動節能夠變成全國性的法定國定假日您同意嗎"},{"start":630.825,"end":644.232,"text":"呃 報告委員我不反對這個議題啦嗯 為什麼給我一點時間為什麼不反對就是我今天很精確的問你是五一勞動節變成大家全民放假的國定假日因為每次一個家庭啊"},{"start":645.313,"end":673.386,"text":"那個什麼媽媽是老師 爸爸是那個什麼勞工然後有公務員 哇一個家庭亂七八糟的假這樣子我跟委員報告 我沒反對的原因就是因為節日實施方法在內政部在訂嘛這個禮拜一還有下個禮拜三內政委員會都會開會討論事實上基本上我們會尊重整個內政部的一個放假日的一個規劃"},{"start":675.167,"end":685.015,"text":"所以五一勞動節成為法定的假日 國定假日 您同意教師節也變成全國性的國定法定假日 您同意嗎"},{"start":696.943,"end":712.851,"text":"委員你現在提到的就是各個族群的問題必須要去綜合考量本來是勞工現在又有教師有九月三號金人節還有各個不同族群的九三金人節沒有放我現在跟你講確實在放假的"},{"start":714.219,"end":739.392,"text":"確實在放假的 酒吧教師姐姨也有放假所以這個問題為什麼大家要一起討論有一個共識再來推因為大家的看法都不太一樣沒關係 我至少知道你這個勞動節變成全體放假你不反對 非常好我予以高度肯定 好不好謝謝王威委員這個議題他特別聽得很清楚你知道嗎"},{"start":743.035,"end":743.439,"text":"每一年都要討論"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":300,"blocks":[["王委員鴻薇：（9時47分）首先謝謝主席，我第一次到司法及法制委員會有喝到咖啡。"],["主席：知道你要來，所以準備咖啡。"],["王委員鴻薇：這樣喔，謝謝。謝謝主席，請人事長。"],["主席：請人事長。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：委員早安。"],["王委員鴻薇：人事長早安。剛才吳思瑤委員有特別講到，現在有做所謂的忠誠查核，人事長也說應該要做。請問一下，我們現在公務人員相關的法規裡面，哪一條有規定公務人員必須去登錄有關於現在包含陸委會、行政院要求的不能夠有大陸居住證、這個證那個證的登記？現在哪一條有相關規定？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：跟委員報告，經我們洽陸委會，這是屬於內部管理事項。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，所以是內部管理事項。我們公務人員本來就有所謂忠誠的相關規定，包含「公務員應恪守誓言，忠心努力，依法律、命令所定執行其職務」，是要依法律命令所定。所以我必須要講的是，中華民國是一個法治國家，我們對公務人員的忠誠要求，這是正確的，但是我覺得我們還是要有法律的精神，如果法律沒有明定，公務人員本來就有很多相關的法律，他不能夠違法，違法就要被處罰，但是以所謂的內部準則或者是陸委會的要求，我覺得這個部分是有商榷的餘地。也就是說，如果公務人員願意去做登錄，這是他的自由，如果他不願意登錄，說實在的，願意登錄的人就不會叛國嗎？就不會當間諜嗎？未必吧，對不對？所以在這個部分，我覺得不要這樣對公務人員如此地肅殺。","另外一個也是剛才吳思瑤委員提到的，到目前為止，我們軍公教今年加薪還沒有領到嘛！"],["蘇人事長俊榮：還沒有領到。"],["王委員鴻薇：沒有領到真正的原因，過去，在今年年初，當時林楚茵委員說，軍公教加薪沒有入帳都是因為我們卡總預算，但是我當時也提到了，因為軍公教加薪不是今年才開始，對不對？歷年都有加薪，但是歷年立法院審總預算可能都沒有辦法在12月31號就全部通過，所以過去好幾年的實施日期，有的時候是1月中，有的時候會延遲到2月中，當然今年，今年應該創紀錄了啦！今年應該是最晚領到的。但是人事總處當時說得非常好，為了不要引起很多軍公教人員不必要的恐慌，人事總處當時就說，軍公教加薪要等待總預算通過後回溯發放，對不對？這個應該沒有講錯。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：是。"],["王委員鴻薇：好。立法院已經通過總預算了，但是因為行政院提出覆議案，覆議案立法院也處理完成了，在上個星期3月13號，立法院已經再次送出覆議案的結果。我剛才要講的是，總預算在2月19號就送出去了，但是為什麼沒有辦法正式……就是為什麼到現在軍公教仍然拿不到他調薪的部分呢？是因為行政院遲遲沒有送總統府來公告，行政院反而送回給立法院來做覆議，來來回回，你看，又快一個月了，但是我們趕快加緊要在法定期限之內，在3月13號把覆議案送出，現在應該是總統府要公告。所以，基本上要等總統府公告之後，軍公教才可以拿到他的調薪的部分，我剛剛講的都沒有問題吧？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：本來就要總統府公告以後，我們才能夠繼續往下去算他每一個人要補的。"],["王委員鴻薇：對，這是法定的過程，法定的程序啦！所以，我要講的是，今年出現歷年來軍公教最晚一次拿到調薪，當然會回溯，是因為總預算變成一個政治性的操作。過去總預算從來沒有拿來覆議過，從未拿來覆議過，那你拿來覆議，我們立法院也必須依法去做處理，現在也送出了。算一下時間，我剛才去了解，最晚、最晚總統府應該在這個星期六，應該在這個星期六要公告，如果不公告的話，就違反法定程序。所以在這邊，蘇人事長是不是很確定地說，只要總統府公告，軍公教立刻可以拿到，我們可以補發回溯從1月份開始發放，讓軍公教安心？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：我這裡要跟委員報告一下，整個預算案的，這一次的預算案事實上對很多機關有造成一些窒礙難行的地方，因為……"],["王委員鴻薇：你們已經講了半天，還有造謠的咧。我現在是在問你軍公教，因為我知道廣大的軍公教人員很關心這個事情，在流程上，是不是總統府公告之後……"],["蘇人事長俊榮：總統府公告之後，我們會發函給各個機關，然後各個機關會去試算要補發多少錢，它是有一個固定的程序……"],["王委員鴻薇：就要開始補發了嘛，對不對？這個都是法定程序。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：它有一個固定的程序。"],["王委員鴻薇：我知道，因為星期六是假日，我不曉得總統府會不會在明天公告，我要讓所有的軍公教安心，因為在立法院裡面大家的政治攻防，事實上這次總預算已經變成了不是攻防喔，是政治的鬥爭，我剛剛講，裡面還有很多的謠言，太多的部會首長都在散播謠言，昨天勞動部長洪申翰自己都說「啊！我口誤」，他說什麼育兒津貼，那個都是錯誤的，所以我們要讓所有的軍公教安心。","人事長，剩下一點時間，請問一下，現在立法院內還有關於國定假日的修法，當然這有問過內政部長，因為法案是在內政委員會審查中。我們都知道，臺灣勞工的假比別人少、薪水比別人低，我們可以看到鄰近的各個國家，日本、韓國、香港、中國相較於臺灣，國定假日臺灣最少，只有12天，最多的是香港有17天；薪資的排序我們是第44位，只高於中國大陸，也比韓國、日本、香港都低，可是人家日本、韓國、香港，他們的國定假日都比我們多，所以現在我們要還假於民，而且還假於民也得到很多、很多民眾的支持，可以看到有將近六成民眾支持。所以，人事長，請問您支不支持在這次的檢討裡面，我們提出更多的國定假日，不要讓臺灣民眾變成假比其他國家少這麼多的血汗勞工，您支持嗎？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：我跟委員報告一下，事實上目前我們的國定假日是11天，跟新加坡一樣。立法院在西元2000年，也就民國89年6月30號，有做成一個公務人員每一年的休假天數大概在115到116日，116日是因為閏年之故，所以基本上每一年的休假天數為115日，這個在全世界來講相當合理啦……"],["王委員鴻薇：合理喔？你看我們的假比別人少那麼多耶。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：我跟你講，其實很重要的就是，放假的部分大家都希望多放幾天啦！"],["王委員鴻薇：了解啊，當然，但是我們不能那麼低嘛，對不對？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：然後又要考慮到各個營業人，因為臺灣有很多中小企業的業主，他本身經營的負擔會不會增加，要同時考量很多的面向，當大家的共識度高的時候，我們再來推動。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，我更具體一點問人事長，這一次修訂的草案裡面當然有很多的假期，比如說有教師節，有五一勞動節，還有行憲紀念日，還有八二三，很多，但是我請問一下，因為很多人覺得不要一國兩制，所以將五一勞動節變成全國性的法定國定假日，您同意嗎？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：報告委員，我不反對這個議題啦！"],["王委員鴻薇：為什麼不反對？我今天很精確地問你，五一勞動節是否應該變成全民放假的國定假日，否則每次一個家庭，媽媽是老師，爸爸是勞工，然後還有公務員，哇！一個家庭的假就亂七八糟。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：我跟委員報告，我沒有反對是因為紀念日及節日實施辦法內政部正在修訂，這個禮拜一還有下個禮拜三，內政委員會都會開會討論，基本上我們會尊重整個內政部對放假日的規劃，基本上我們會……"],["王委員鴻薇：好，所以五一勞動節成為法定的國定假日您同意，那麼教師節……"],["蘇人事長俊榮：不是，我不反對啦！我沒有說同意。"],["王委員鴻薇：你不反對，很好啊！這點我很高興，大家都聽到，很高興。來，教師節也變成全國性的法定國定假日，您同意嗎？"],["蘇人事長俊榮：委員，你現在提到的就是各個族群的問題，必須要去綜合考量啦！"],["王委員鴻薇：是。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：本來是勞工嘛，現在又有教師嘛，有9月3號軍人節嘛，還有各個不同族群的也都希望……"],["王委員鴻薇：九三軍人節沒有放，我現在在跟你講確實在放假的。"],["蘇人事長俊榮：確實在放假的，九二八教師節他也希望放假，為什麼這個問題要大家一起討論有一個共識再來推，因為大家的看法都不太一樣啦。"],["王委員鴻薇：沒關係，我至少知道，你對於勞動節變成全體放假，你不反對，非常好，我予以高度肯定，好不好？"],["主席：謝謝王鴻薇委員。這個議題我從第8屆聽到現在了，你知道嗎？每一年都會討論這個議題。好，謝謝，謝謝王委員。","接下來我們請沈發惠委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":62,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-36-3","speakers":["莊瑞雄","黃國昌","林倩綺","吳思瑤","王鴻薇","沈發惠","羅智強","王義川","翁曉玲","陳培瑜","鍾佳濱","楊瓊瓔","林月琴","吳宗憲","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","洪孟楷","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-03-20"],"gazette_id":"1143002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143002_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143002_00001"}}}