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00:02:44,998\n卓院長馬上表示將會研議合法合憲的救濟方式但是他現在他會研議他可能會做這目前看到的就是開始政策的宣講會所以我要請問部長財政部是否有派員參與行政院所辦的地方政策的宣講會財政部有派員參加嗎\n\n9\n00:02:46,600 --> 00:03:09,010\n您是說比如說週六週日那樣的一個宣講財政部沒有參加沒有參與我想財政部在業務報告中提到你後續將配合行政院的政策辦理這個是否意味說行政院在政策宣講會結束後就會提出我們行政院的版本\n\n10\n00:03:11,958 --> 00:03:18,142\n這個基本上跟宣講會基本上是沒有什麼相關連也就是對於財化法這個部分我們在去年的12月20號三讀通過那對於相關的內容我們和主席總處詳細的研議以後認為有許多至愛難行的部分那因此就提出了覆議\n\n11\n00:03:34,555 --> 00:04:03,624\n在富裕理由裡面我們也想強烈了這個治安難行的部分不管像是垂直分配的部分因為大量的把中央的財源割出去那會造成這個中央施政的一些去推動跟延續以及包含水平分配的部分許多公視裡面不明確以及有些不合理的地方比如說會有剩下的沒有分出去或者是說在人口還有那個營業營利事業的營業額裡面占比過高\n\n12\n00:04:05,284 --> 00:04:25,672\n會讓原來財政優勢這個是我們一直在提出來的你那個復議的內容當然我都了解我們在這邊重複了我比較想去了解就是說3月6號你也召開了這個各縣市的協商會議嘛就3月6號的會議後財政部也表示說多數縣市支持財政部統籌稅款的分配規劃\n\n13\n00:04:27,253 --> 00:04:56,554\n所以陳儒財政部長您所說的就紙紗將文字這個落入所以財政部的財務法的版本依照您當時的說法應該有了嘛就有了嘛跟委員報告我們那天3月6號的開會第一個就是在方向上就是我們會擴大中央統籌分配稅款的一個規模然後把那個滿足這個基本財政需求就是那個基本財政差額都會把它放進去這個部分都會考量\n\n14\n00:04:57,034 --> 00:05:24,497\n同時我們那一天提出來更大一個重點就是在水平分配的裡面有關財政努力跟基本建設的需求裡面有關指標還有權重我們是很明確的把它列舉出來那表示說我們這個部分我們已經有一個初步的這樣的一個成果讓各縣市政府以及三家學者一起來做討論部長我知道你的努力但是我最後還是想了解在這個會期財政部會不會提出版本出來\n\n15\n00:05:26,121 --> 00:05:42,817\n跟委員報告我覺得財化法這個部分第一個12月20號通過這個部分在治安難行的部分我們很可惜就是說復印沒有能夠通過我現在問妳是說妳這個會期會不會提出版本出來因為妳現在很明確告訴我們只差這個文字落入嘛\n\n16\n00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:46,099\n那一天我們在開會的時候3月6號我們的紀錄很快也會出來我覺得已經看完了那你也知道還有一些專家學者們以及建制政府也有提出一些意見這些意見我們都必須要把它納入考量\n\n17\n00:06:02,609 --> 00:06:27,057\n我認為這個部分我們需要再加強的溝通我覺得不需要這麼急迫的一直用就是說急迫因為財務法這個事情部長給你一年的時間了你現在跟我講沒有那麼急迫中央對地方的財政挹注都已經通過了立法院都刪除通過版本了如果行政院認為自愛難行我們也一直告訴行政院財政部儘速提出你們的版本送到立法院來審議\n\n18\n00:06:28,581 --> 00:06:38,792\n我想這個才是討論事情的一個方向而不是我們一直問你說什麼時候可以提出來阿部長一直不願意去很明白的告訴我們國人告訴立法院\n\n19\n00:06:39,935 --> 00:07:05,752\n所以這個會期到底可不可以提出來你說可不可以就好了我想這個部分就我認為還是要充分的交流跟溝通然後有更大的共識那個部長我看你今天有沒有看到聯合報委會陳國良教授就政大責任系的教授兼主任他提到有關於這個新版的朝要法要這樣上路這邊你今天有沒有看到\n\n20\n00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:34,853\n因為我今天還沒有看到我覺得他的建議我簡單跟部長講一下部長他講我覺得他講的很有道理他說新法的有序導入就是有序導入就是希望能夠訂定日出條款讓法案從115年度或11年度來生效他建議財政部要趕快提出新的一個修法的版本\n\n21\n00:07:35,774 --> 00:07:58,077\n第二個他建議要建立日落條款的評估與檢討機制例如徵定本次修正條文生效三年後需檢討施行成效的規定具以進一步修正第三個他說校正復議案所提出的文字遺漏定義不明與比例計算分母不正確等明顯的立法的問題所以部長\n\n22\n00:08:00,685 --> 00:08:03,556\n妳看了妳瞭解了瞭解瞭解謝謝妳贊不贊成她這樣的一個建議\n\n23\n00:08:07,251 --> 00:08:27,015\n陳教授其實那天3月6號我們有邀請他但是他因為有其他事情沒有來但他有提書面的意見大致上也是這樣的意見那也就是說我們當時是提復议是希望還有機會再來討論但是因為現在復议也過了這個部分他提了幾項的事情確實也是當初所提到就是因為預算年度以及時間關係我還是建議你盡速的參考各界的意見盡速提出\n\n24\n00:08:36,577 --> 00:08:40,301\n以免你們一直說自然男性現在一直提不出版本謝謝部長現在請101的董事長賈董事長\n\n25\n00:09:03,072 --> 00:09:20,842\n賴總統他在3月13日開國安會議之後特別提到說國人赴大陸旅遊要落實登錄的一個制度但是我們看到許多的旅遊業者與協會團體都紛紛表示這將影響到開放台灣旅行社組團赴中國大陸的禁團令\n\n26\n00:09:22,003 --> 00:09:39,117\n解除更加困難中國大陸的旅客來台觀光開放更是遙遙無期我想請教賈董事長您曾對外表示就台北101而言就是業績不靠入客所以不用擔心會有任何的影響\n\n27\n00:09:40,518 --> 00:10:07,870\n但本席想請問你的是畢竟台北101是我們台灣的觀光的指標也就是說你也算是重要的觀光業者之一無論你的業績是否會受影響以一位觀光產業經營者的一個角度你對賴總統所宣示的新措施你覺得對整體觀光產業的影響它的層面會不會有負面的影響\n\n28\n00:10:09,661 --> 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謝謝那書長請回\n111530\t121876\t那個部長我想我在總諮詢的時候一直對財化法的行政院版本何時能夠提到我們這個立法院來我很關心這個議題那這個\n125526\t142299\t部長你當時回覆本席說財政部修法方向已經確定了包含水平與垂直的分配方式也非常具體也就只差落入文字的呈現但在上週行政院的復議遭到我們立法院否決後\n143240\t164998\t卓院長馬上表示將會研議合法合憲的救濟方式但是他現在他會研議他可能會做這目前看到的就是開始政策的宣講會所以我要請問部長財政部是否有派員參與行政院所辦的地方政策的宣講會財政部有派員參加嗎\n166600\t189010\t您是說比如說週六週日那樣的一個宣講財政部沒有參加沒有參與我想財政部在業務報告中提到你後續將配合行政院的政策辦理這個是否意味說行政院在政策宣講會結束後就會提出我們行政院的版本\n191958\t198142\t這個基本上跟宣講會基本上是沒有什麼相關連也就是對於財化法這個部分我們在去年的12月20號三讀通過那對於相關的內容我們和主席總處詳細的研議以後認為有許多至愛難行的部分那因此就提出了覆議\n214555\t243624\t在富裕理由裡面我們也想強烈了這個治安難行的部分不管像是垂直分配的部分因為大量的把中央的財源割出去那會造成這個中央施政的一些去推動跟延續以及包含水平分配的部分許多公視裡面不明確以及有些不合理的地方比如說會有剩下的沒有分出去或者是說在人口還有那個營業營利事業的營業額裡面占比過高\n245284\t265672\t會讓原來財政優勢 這個是我們一直在提出來的你那個復議的內容當然我都了解 我們在這邊重複了我比較想去了解就是說3月6號你也召開了這個各縣市的協商會議嘛就3月6號的會議後財政部也表示說多數縣市支持財政部統籌稅款的分配規劃\n267253\t296554\t所以陳儒財政部長您所說的就紙紗將文字這個落入所以財政部的財務法的版本依照您當時的說法應該有了嘛就有了嘛跟委員報告我們那天3月6號的開會第一個就是在方向上就是我們會擴大中央統籌分配稅款的一個規模然後把那個滿足這個基本財政需求就是那個基本財政差額都會把它放進去這個部分都會考量\n297034\t324497\t同時我們那一天提出來更大一個重點就是在水平分配的裡面有關財政努力跟基本建設的需求裡面有關指標還有權重我們是很明確的把它列舉出來那表示說我們這個部分我們已經有一個初步的這樣的一個成果讓各縣市政府以及三家學者一起來做討論部長我知道你的努力但是我最後還是想了解在這個會期財政部會不會提出版本出來\n326121\t342817\t跟委員報告我覺得財化法這個部分第一個12月20號通過這個部分在治安難行的部分我們很可惜就是說復印沒有能夠通過我現在問妳是說妳這個會期會不會提出版本出來因為妳現在很明確告訴我們只差這個文字落入嘛\n343877\t346099\t那一天我們在開會的時候3月6號我們的紀錄很快也會出來我覺得已經看完了那你也知道還有一些專家學者們以及建制政府也有提出一些意見這些意見我們都必須要把它納入考量\n362609\t387057\t我認為這個部分我們需要再加強的溝通我覺得不需要這麼急迫的一直用就是說急迫因為財務法這個事情部長給你一年的時間了你現在跟我講沒有那麼急迫中央對地方的財政挹注都已經通過了立法院都刪除通過版本了如果行政院認為自愛難行我們也一直告訴行政院財政部儘速提出你們的版本送到立法院來審議\n388581\t398792\t我想這個才是討論事情的一個方向而不是我們一直問你說什麼時候可以提出來阿部長一直不願意去很明白的告訴我們國人告訴立法院\n399935\t425752\t所以這個會期到底可不可以提出來你說可不可以就好了我想這個部分就我認為還是要充分的交流跟溝通然後有更大的共識那個部長我看你今天有沒有看到聯合報委會陳國良教授就政大責任系的教授兼主任他提到有關於這個新版的朝要法要這樣上路這邊你今天有沒有看到\n427093\t454853\t因為我今天還沒有看到我覺得他的建議我簡單跟部長講一下部長他講我覺得他講的很有道理他說新法的有序導入就是有序導入就是希望能夠訂定日出條款讓法案從115年度或11年度來生效他建議財政部要趕快提出新的一個修法的版本\n455774\t478077\t第二個他建議要建立日落條款的評估與檢討機制例如徵定本次修正條文生效三年後需檢討施行成效的規定具以進一步修正第三個他說校正復議案所提出的文字遺漏定義不明與比例計算分母不正確等明顯的立法的問題所以部長\n480685\t483556\t妳看了 妳瞭解了瞭解瞭解 謝謝妳贊不贊成她這樣的一個建議\n487251\t507015\t陳教授其實那天3月6號我們有邀請他但是他因為有其他事情沒有來但他有提書面的意見大致上也是這樣的意見那也就是說我們當時是提復议是希望還有機會再來討論但是因為現在復议也過了這個部分他提了幾項的事情確實也是當初所提到就是因為預算年度以及時間關係我還是建議你盡速的參考各界的意見盡速提出\n516577\t520301\t以免你們一直說自然男性現在一直提不出版本謝謝部長 現在請101的董事長 賈董事長\n543072\t560842\t賴總統他在3月13日開國安會議之後特別提到說國人赴大陸旅遊要落實登錄的一個制度但是我們看到許多的旅遊業者與協會團體都紛紛表示這將影響到開放台灣旅行社組團赴中國大陸的禁團令\n562003\t579117\t解除更加困難中國大陸的旅客來台觀光開放更是遙遙無期我想請教賈董事長您曾對外表示就台北101而言就是業績不靠入客所以不用擔心會有任何的影響\n580518\t607870\t但本席想請問你的是畢竟台北101是我們台灣的觀光的指標也就是說你也算是重要的觀光業者之一無論你的業績是否會受影響以一位觀光產業經營者的一個角度你對賴總統所宣示的新措施你覺得對整體觀光產業的影響它的層面會不會有負面的影響\n609661\t630817\t如果是以業績 以人流而言的話是一定會有影響的所以說我們在接受到了這樣子的一個指令的時候我們自己其實我覺得觀光業者可能自己要有一些對應的措施你認為這是正面的影響還是負面的影響\n631806\t655010\t我認為如果對於業績而言當然是負面的但是就是因為這樣子所以我們才要自己能有更多的對應要有更多的對應所以你的看法反正你站在你經營台北101的角度你就認為我的業績不受影響但是對於其他的觀光業或者旅行團體因為我能夠掌控的就是101\n659491\t673319\t我能夠掌控的就是我們101如何要在這樣子對於這個台灣這樣子的時期我們應該要如何能夠對應如何能夠生存甚至把業績做到更好那我想這是我的責任\n","txt":"好 謝謝趙偉 請我們財政部莊部長請莊部長部長早 部長先請教你那個香菇攜帶的問題目前我們攜帶農蓄水產品或食品類的入境關於乾香菇的限量規定是否還是規定就是每次只能1公斤\n這個細節的部分,我是不是請我們關護署署長說,謝謝報告委員,剛剛薑菇的部分,現在應該是一公斤,就是如果說攜帶入境,不能超過,就免申報,就直接入境免申請查驗,最多就是一公斤\n但是我最近收到沽農的陳情他說從金門海關可以放行攜帶三公斤進來所以目前關務署這邊的查緝作業是如何執行\n包委員我們的規定一公斤就是一公斤我們都是依照法定的但是最近好像就是說他們陳情都是三公斤就沒有再查緝他們期待三公斤也可以進來所以我才問你對農業執行的情形如何我們會確實要求農業執行所以這部分要加強查緝那我想我要求關務署是不是把今年一到三月\n或者在未來每一季你們茶器的不僅只有香菇我想很多的農特產品你們都把茶器的結果做成報告提供給本席還有我們茶友會的委員來做一個了解OK 好 謝謝那書長請回\n那個部長我想我在總諮詢的時候一直對財化法的行政院版本何時能夠提到我們這個立法院來我很關心這個議題那這個\n部長你當時回覆本席說財政部修法方向已經確定了包含水平與垂直的分配方式也非常具體也就只差落入文字的呈現但在上週行政院的復議遭到我們立法院否決後\n卓院長馬上表示將會研議合法合憲的救濟方式但是他現在他會研議他可能會做這目前看到的就是開始政策的宣講會所以我要請問部長財政部是否有派員參與行政院所辦的地方政策的宣講會財政部有派員參加嗎\n您是說比如說週六週日那樣的一個宣講財政部沒有參加沒有參與我想財政部在業務報告中提到你後續將配合行政院的政策辦理這個是否意味說行政院在政策宣講會結束後就會提出我們行政院的版本\n這個基本上跟宣講會基本上是沒有什麼相關連也就是對於財化法這個部分我們在去年的12月20號三讀通過那對於相關的內容我們和主席總處詳細的研議以後認為有許多至愛難行的部分那因此就提出了覆議\n在富裕理由裡面我們也想強烈了這個治安難行的部分不管像是垂直分配的部分因為大量的把中央的財源割出去那會造成這個中央施政的一些去推動跟延續以及包含水平分配的部分許多公視裡面不明確以及有些不合理的地方比如說會有剩下的沒有分出去或者是說在人口還有那個營業營利事業的營業額裡面占比過高\n會讓原來財政優勢 這個是我們一直在提出來的你那個復議的內容當然我都了解 我們在這邊重複了我比較想去了解就是說3月6號你也召開了這個各縣市的協商會議嘛就3月6號的會議後財政部也表示說多數縣市支持財政部統籌稅款的分配規劃\n所以陳儒財政部長您所說的就紙紗將文字這個落入所以財政部的財務法的版本依照您當時的說法應該有了嘛就有了嘛跟委員報告我們那天3月6號的開會第一個就是在方向上就是我們會擴大中央統籌分配稅款的一個規模然後把那個滿足這個基本財政需求就是那個基本財政差額都會把它放進去這個部分都會考量\n同時我們那一天提出來更大一個重點就是在水平分配的裡面有關財政努力跟基本建設的需求裡面有關指標還有權重我們是很明確的把它列舉出來那表示說我們這個部分我們已經有一個初步的這樣的一個成果讓各縣市政府以及三家學者一起來做討論部長我知道你的努力但是我最後還是想了解在這個會期財政部會不會提出版本出來\n跟委員報告我覺得財化法這個部分第一個12月20號通過這個部分在治安難行的部分我們很可惜就是說復印沒有能夠通過我現在問妳是說妳這個會期會不會提出版本出來因為妳現在很明確告訴我們只差這個文字落入嘛\n那一天我們在開會的時候3月6號我們的紀錄很快也會出來我覺得已經看完了那你也知道還有一些專家學者們以及建制政府也有提出一些意見這些意見我們都必須要把它納入考量\n我認為這個部分我們需要再加強的溝通我覺得不需要這麼急迫的一直用就是說急迫因為財務法這個事情部長給你一年的時間了你現在跟我講沒有那麼急迫中央對地方的財政挹注都已經通過了立法院都刪除通過版本了如果行政院認為自愛難行我們也一直告訴行政院財政部儘速提出你們的版本送到立法院來審議\n我想這個才是討論事情的一個方向而不是我們一直問你說什麼時候可以提出來阿部長一直不願意去很明白的告訴我們國人告訴立法院\n所以這個會期到底可不可以提出來你說可不可以就好了我想這個部分就我認為還是要充分的交流跟溝通然後有更大的共識那個部長我看你今天有沒有看到聯合報委會陳國良教授就政大責任系的教授兼主任他提到有關於這個新版的朝要法要這樣上路這邊你今天有沒有看到\n因為我今天還沒有看到我覺得他的建議我簡單跟部長講一下部長他講我覺得他講的很有道理他說新法的有序導入就是有序導入就是希望能夠訂定日出條款讓法案從115年度或11年度來生效他建議財政部要趕快提出新的一個修法的版本\n第二個他建議要建立日落條款的評估與檢討機制例如徵定本次修正條文生效三年後需檢討施行成效的規定具以進一步修正第三個他說校正復議案所提出的文字遺漏定義不明與比例計算分母不正確等明顯的立法的問題所以部長\n妳看了 妳瞭解了瞭解瞭解 謝謝妳贊不贊成她這樣的一個建議\n陳教授其實那天3月6號我們有邀請他但是他因為有其他事情沒有來但他有提書面的意見大致上也是這樣的意見那也就是說我們當時是提復议是希望還有機會再來討論但是因為現在復议也過了這個部分他提了幾項的事情確實也是當初所提到就是因為預算年度以及時間關係我還是建議你盡速的參考各界的意見盡速提出\n以免你們一直說自然男性現在一直提不出版本謝謝部長 現在請101的董事長 賈董事長\n賴總統他在3月13日開國安會議之後特別提到說國人赴大陸旅遊要落實登錄的一個制度但是我們看到許多的旅遊業者與協會團體都紛紛表示這將影響到開放台灣旅行社組團赴中國大陸的禁團令\n解除更加困難中國大陸的旅客來台觀光開放更是遙遙無期我想請教賈董事長您曾對外表示就台北101而言就是業績不靠入客所以不用擔心會有任何的影響\n但本席想請問你的是畢竟台北101是我們台灣的觀光的指標也就是說你也算是重要的觀光業者之一無論你的業績是否會受影響以一位觀光產業經營者的一個角度你對賴總統所宣示的新措施你覺得對整體觀光產業的影響它的層面會不會有負面的影響\n如果是以業績 以人流而言的話是一定會有影響的所以說我們在接受到了這樣子的一個指令的時候我們自己其實我覺得觀光業者可能自己要有一些對應的措施你認為這是正面的影響還是負面的影響\n我認為如果對於業績而言當然是負面的但是就是因為這樣子所以我們才要自己能有更多的對應要有更多的對應所以你的看法反正你站在你經營台北101的角度你就認為我的業績不受影響但是對於其他的觀光業或者旅行團體因為我能夠掌控的就是101\n我能夠掌控的就是我們101如何要在這樣子對於這個台灣這樣子的時期我們應該要如何能夠對應如何能夠生存甚至把業績做到更好那我想這是我的責任\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.643 --> 00:10.426\n好謝謝趙偉請我們財政部莊部長請莊部長部長早部長先請教你那個香菇攜帶的問題目前我們攜帶農蓄水產品或食品類的入境關於乾香菇的限量規定是否還是規定就是每次只能1公斤\n\n00:34.568 --> 00:52.596\n這個細節的部分,我是不是請我們關護署署長說,謝謝報告委員,剛剛薑菇的部分,現在應該是一公斤,就是如果說攜帶入境,不能超過,就免申報,就直接入境免申請查驗,最多就是一公斤\n\n00:53.797 --> 01:05.723\n但是我最近收到沽農的陳情他說從金門海關可以放行攜帶三公斤進來所以目前關務署這邊的查緝作業是如何執行\n\n01:06.997 --> 01:31.013\n包委員我們的規定一公斤就是一公斤我們都是依照法定的但是最近好像就是說他們陳情都是三公斤就沒有再查緝他們期待三公斤也可以進來所以我才問你對農業執行的情形如何我們會確實要求農業執行所以這部分要加強查緝那我想我要求關務署是不是把今年一到三月\n\n01:32.099 --> 01:45.951\n或者在未來每一季你們茶器的不僅只有香菇我想很多的農特產品你們都把茶器的結果做成報告提供給本席還有我們茶友會的委員來做一個了解OK好謝謝那書長請回\n\n01:51.530 --> 02:01.876\n那個部長我想我在總諮詢的時候一直對財化法的行政院版本何時能夠提到我們這個立法院來我很關心這個議題那這個\n\n02:05.526 --> 02:22.299\n部長你當時回覆本席說財政部修法方向已經確定了包含水平與垂直的分配方式也非常具體也就只差落入文字的呈現但在上週行政院的復議遭到我們立法院否決後\n\n02:23.240 --> 02:44.998\n卓院長馬上表示將會研議合法合憲的救濟方式但是他現在他會研議他可能會做這目前看到的就是開始政策的宣講會所以我要請問部長財政部是否有派員參與行政院所辦的地方政策的宣講會財政部有派員參加嗎\n\n02:46.600 --> 03:09.010\n您是說比如說週六週日那樣的一個宣講財政部沒有參加沒有參與我想財政部在業務報告中提到你後續將配合行政院的政策辦理這個是否意味說行政院在政策宣講會結束後就會提出我們行政院的版本\n\n03:11.958 --> 03:18.142\n這個基本上跟宣講會基本上是沒有什麼相關連也就是對於財化法這個部分我們在去年的12月20號三讀通過那對於相關的內容我們和主席總處詳細的研議以後認為有許多至愛難行的部分那因此就提出了覆議\n\n03:34.555 --> 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