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00:03:03,818\n我們從公務人員退伍基金管理局來看第一層強制性的社會安全保險像勞保國民年金保險第二層強制的員工退休制度由雇主提撥還有第三層自願性的商業保險儲蓄制度請問我們所說的TISA是不是就是這個第三層就是你去購買投資對你的未來的退休產生一種儲蓄保障是不是這樣\n\n9\n00:03:05,882 --> 00:03:27,976\n應該除此之外還有其他的對我說TISA是屬於第三層嘛TISA對對對是這樣嘛它可以去投資循序投資的概念好這三大指標當中充足性永續性跟完整性當中全眾最高充足性台灣只得到46分表示台灣在第三層的部分有很大的成長空間你認為是不是認為TISA可以有助於國民退休的第三層保障\n\n10\n00:03:30,409 --> 00:03:58,749\n我想這個部分對於這樣的規劃運用是有幫助的對於民眾未來退休生活的一個...是的那往下看那國人對於退休儲備不足感到憂慮他說我們的壓力來源是生活成本增加退休儲蓄不足最高擔心生活成本不斷提高的六成擔心退休儲備不足的是七成跟六成然後呢把退休儲蓄視為首要的財務目標佔九成還不是財富自由喔那麼\n\n11\n00:03:59,861 --> 00:04:24,506\n民眾就必須透過長期投資跟及早規劃退休那剛剛你也同意了TESA跟這個目前呢息息相關它可以幫助民眾來達成它的首要財務目標可是呢目前金管會檢視啊沒有額外新增個人投資的扣除額在TESA的部分那有沒有考慮財政部來新增投資稅制的優惠來幫助TESA推動\n\n12\n00:04:29,209 --> 00:04:39,971\n我再講一次現在TESA這麼重要能夠有助於國人解決他的財務目標那財政部願不願意新增個人的投資額來協助TESA的推動\n\n13\n00:04:43,432 --> 00:05:04,491\n剛剛委員也羅列了很多我們現有的一些租稅優惠我們也對照過日本也好還有其他國家的租稅優惠其實我們更優於他們所以這個部分事實上是目前來說我們應該是讓民眾知道我們已經有現在有這麼多優惠而民眾不清楚的部分我們可以加強來說明部長因為你這道說詞我聽過宋蘇長講過但我不認同\n\n14\n00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:33,255\n我這樣講好了我們去住那些高級飯店他們有健身中心裡面有蒸汽室有游泳池有重量訓練結果我們問說旅客為什麼不去使用健身中心旅客很想要什麼超慢跑要跑步機啊你說我們這些都可以涵蓋在內你知道健身中心什麼都有啊可是實況上就是什麼我們國人使用這些租稅優惠的意願跟強度不高\n\n15\n00:05:34,226 --> 00:05:42,893\n那我先問你那如果有人說好因為現在超慢跑很流行我們的健身中心飯店增加一個專區就是跑步機專區你會反對嗎會增加成本嗎\n\n16\n00:05:47,128 --> 00:06:04,688\n本來你說你的健身中心什麼都有就像你說的不管是你的股息你的利息我健身中心的這些項目通通都要來享受可是旅客使用的率不高啊他得到的好處也不多啊但是你說現在旅客喜歡超慢跑我增設一個慢跑機專區可以嗎\n\n17\n00:06:09,093 --> 00:06:36,187\n我幫你們理解到這個比喻我想這個租稅的部分必須涉及的層面比較廣我覺得跟一個飯店裡面去偵測一個跑步機應該是不太一樣我用比喻你用比喻回答來我就直接知道你會這樣回答請你們現期內把目前國民使用現期投資稅制當中優惠當中各個項目的比例使用率還有金額的區間分布告訴我譬如說27萬國人有多少人在使用這27萬\n\n18\n00:06:37,648 --> 00:06:58,356\n第二他從不到一萬的到使用滿27萬的分布是多少第三他使用哪些項目是鼓勵鼓息是鼓勵還是利息這些把它調查出來我們就知道是不是像財政部說的我什麼都有我有27萬讓你用我不需要再設一個專區專門來針對TESA來提供租稅優惠\n\n19\n00:07:01,935 --> 00:07:14,119\n請你把它調查出來我們再來個輸贏好的我們可以把這個資料可以做統計好我們來看一看現在日本的NISA對照於台灣的TISA日本的舊置它從40萬120萬提高到120萬240萬投資總額從800萬600萬提高到1800萬\n\n20\n00:07:19,361 --> 00:07:46,677\n而我們台灣呢完全沒有增額外的稅務優惠然而日本從舊製到新製他把他的投資的商品從共同基金都弄出來了我們還特定基金喔所以你看日本的結果怎麼樣日本一炮而紅所以從NISA一開始呢他創新高啊是上年同期的3.2倍新開戶超買的就是說我們如果能夠新增額外的稅務優惠來推動TISA\n\n21\n00:07:47,197 --> 00:07:57,882\n就可以充足我們國民退休的第三層保障而且國家也沒有增加額外支出這是我的結論您回去研究一下剛剛保障的那三點要求把它統計出來可以嗎\n\n22\n00:08:00,143 --> 00:08:18,420\n好我們來看一下2024年金控員工的平均年薪排行榜我注意到這14家大型金控只有第三名的兆豐第五名的第一金還有第八名的和庫金還有第九名的華南金我們的飯宮股只有這四家入榜是不是這樣\n\n23\n00:08:24,605 --> 00:08:45,973\n這些都是金飯碗民間的金控員工薪資是比較高的但是國營的我們怎麼樣跟飯工股跟民營徵財這裡面有沒有國營的沒有飯工股的有4家是不是這樣子請問一下怎麼樣來讓我們的飯工股或者我們的國營金融機構可以跟民股來徵財\n\n24\n00:08:48,619 --> 00:09:14,102\n我想這個泛公股的部分因為它是泛公股算是一個泛民營化那它可以用公司治理以及自己按自己他們自己的內規定來做處理薪水最直接嘛對薪水最直接待遇最明顯嘛為什麼人家連排行榜出來我是一個大學出來的畢業生我看一看我會選擇泛公股嗎我會選擇國營的金融機構嗎榜上無名啊那我們往下看\n\n25\n00:09:15,393 --> 00:09:32,449\n為什麼會這樣子我們立法院也是始終的之一第八屆第四會期那時候立法委員包括李桂民翁崇勳費鴻泰提議要求限制我們這些財政部所屬的國營事業金融機構的績效獎金最多只能到4.4\n\n26\n00:09:34,298 --> 00:09:53,232\n是不是目前的限制沒錯這是誰的限制立法院立法院而且很清楚是第八屆國民黨幾位委員所提的我個人認為要調整要思考一下你限制這些就限制了我們飯工股跟我們的國營金融機構去跟民營的來競爭人才你同不同意\n\n27\n00:09:54,873 --> 00:09:57,858\n是的我就跟委員報告為了這個有關我們的國營金融事業能夠更有一個更強的競爭力能夠\n\n28\n00:10:06,278 --> 00:10:27,692\n攬財留財能夠做得更好我們已經有了五個方案謝謝委員對我們國營金融事業的一個關心那五個方案也可以跟委員報告你要報告之前我先問一下我們來看看現有的方案譬如說一個很簡單的伙食費三千元你看看目前我們金控的資產台銀金是排名第一\n\n29\n00:10:28,773 --> 00:10:45,619\n結果後面的趙鋒鑫第一金何庫鑫華南鑫他的薪資在14名之內台銀金控是沒有欸他們目前台土輸啊對不起喔這樣講有點不好聽喔台灣金控土銀跟輸銀簡稱台土輸這國營事業輸添添嘛是不是這樣子好同時我們再往下看還有什麼生育補助是不是也是一樣相較之下台土輸也是輸添添再往下看下一個\n\n30\n00:10:58,858 --> 00:11:24,010\n我們的就是說不管是伙食費還是生育補助都是不如人家那請問你說有哪五大方案很快的簡單講一下第一個就是生育補助費的我們五大方案已經抱怨第一個就是生育補助費每一胎十萬塊然後不管是他自己或者是他的配偶十萬塊跟第一金差不多每一胎十萬好不錯跟第一金變沒有了那第二項就是伙食費您剛才列出來我們希望以外加伙食費的話是每個月三千塊\n\n31\n00:11:24,830 --> 00:11:50,429\n第三個是經營績效獎金從4.4個月我們希望恢復到4.6個月這個部分那第二個對於激勵員工的部分我們認為應該在決算稅前營運裡面要提撥1%到8%按照員工的一些績效他的一個KPI達成等等給予做一些激勵的效果另外一個就是員工福利信託也就是剛剛委員提到就是讓他的退休生活更優化所以我們認為可以\n\n32\n00:11:51,670 --> 00:12:13,389\n他每個月從薪水出一千銀行相對出一千然後讓他做信託那未來退休可以有一個好的收穫既然你對台土書對我們國營金融事業都這麼好TESA也可以對我們一般國民好吧TESA也是退休儲蓄的一種啊回去研究一下好很好這些我都樂見與財政部跟國庫總統來推動目前推動上有沒有障礙\n\n33\n00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:43,067\n有沒有立法院在反對目前來說是我們報行政院由仁總在邀請相關機關延伤當中仁總的態度是支持還反對仁總第一個先就生育補助所我倒帶回去問仁總好您可以再跟仁總我幫忙你問仁總請他支持可以嗎謝謝委員最後主席站起來了我三個結論請第一請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分期成效一個月內提出公民報告可以嗎\n\n34\n00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:54,114\n請評估新增額外的稅務優惠推動TISA以充足國民退休的第三層保障的可行應\n\n35\n00:13:14,808 --> 00:13:27,019\n行政院能不能在一個月內完成我們不敢把握但是一個月內我們一定提書面報告我反過來你希望我多久幫你推動成那我當然希望委員越快越好啊我都給你兩個月要不然給我兩個月你希望委員立法委員兩個月幫你推動成功好不好好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10509\t34395\t主席在場委員先進列席政府機關社長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請財政部莊部長和國庫署陳署長以及負稅署的宋署長好財政部部長還有陳署長還有宋委員好部長好兩位署長好部長我們賴總統要推亞洲資產管理中心你支持不支持\n35936\t65402\t支持這當中的主責是金管會金管會說他希望能夠亞太資產管理中心當中優先要來一個公司協辦的TISATISA制度 你知道吧我知道那麼他也要由當時發肌膚通的吉寶公司來協助那請問要推動TISA跟亞洲資產管理中心有相關您願意在全程範圍內來幫忙推動TISA增加國民的推銷保障嗎\n67016\t83994\t這個是國家狀況政策當然財政部會跟金管會都會一起努力好那麼在這財政部可以提供的優惠我也私下先請教過宋署長了說現行的所得稅法對於投資稅制優惠這跟TISA息息相關因為TISA就是一種投資除了所得稅法當中\n84875\t107720\t我們8萬元個人直接買股票或存款的利息可以抵減之外在特別扣除的部分我們如果投資基金這些利息信託基金的利息或股利呢是有27萬元的那麼署長跟我說這些呢是足夠提供民眾投資的誘因優惠請問你所知道國人使用這27萬或這8萬用的多不多普普普遍\n110093\t121700\t應該不少不少的所以老闆告訴大家不少啊你說現行的報稅系統直接變名就直接帶入所以民眾不曉得他有投資抵稅優惠不知是這樣子的嗎\n123595\t140930\t委員報告有的時候您剛剛講就是說我們這些相關的租稅優惠可是民眾不見得都知道那他又想說不知道對但是在TISA的時候我們也跟金管會說我們會跟你合作對於現行有關的租稅優惠我們會陳列出來而且協助去做說明讓民眾可以知道\n143672\t161003\t對 協助 我們甚至可以有同仁去協助說明說我們現有的租稅優惠有這麼多那我們來看看這個DISA下一頁好 我們來先看一下台灣的退休金指數排名不如越南和中國很可怕喔倒數第十 不如新加入平等的越南 為什麼\n161923\t183818\t我們從公務人員退伍基金管理局來看第一層強制性的社會安全保險像勞保國民年金保險第二層強制的員工退休制度由雇主提撥還有第三層自願性的商業保險儲蓄制度請問我們所說的TISA是不是就是這個第三層就是你去購買投資對你的未來的退休產生一種儲蓄保障是不是這樣\n185882\t207976\t應該 除此之外還有其他的對 我說TISA是屬於第三層嘛TISA對對對 是這樣嘛它可以去投資 循序投資的概念好 這三大指標當中充足性 永續性跟完整性當中全眾最高充足性台灣只得到46分表示台灣在第三層的部分有很大的成長空間你認為 是不是認為TISA可以有助於國民退休的第三層保障\n210409\t238749\t我想這個部分對於這樣的規劃運用是有幫助的對於民眾未來退休生活的一個...是的那往下看那國人對於退休儲備不足感到憂慮他說我們的壓力來源是生活成本增加退休儲蓄不足最高擔心生活成本不斷提高的六成擔心退休儲備不足的是七成跟六成然後呢把退休儲蓄視為首要的財務目標佔九成還不是財富自由喔那麼\n239861\t264506\t民眾就必須透過長期投資跟及早規劃退休那剛剛你也同意了TESA跟這個目前呢息息相關它可以幫助民眾來達成它的首要財務目標可是呢目前金管會檢視啊沒有額外新增個人投資的扣除額在TESA的部分那有沒有考慮財政部來新增投資稅制的優惠來幫助TESA推動\n269209\t279971\t我再講一次現在TESA這麼重要能夠有助於國人解決他的財務目標那財政部願不願意新增個人的投資額來協助TESA的推動\n283432\t304491\t剛剛委員也羅列了很多我們現有的一些租稅優惠我們也對照過日本也好還有其他國家的租稅優惠其實我們更優於他們所以這個部分事實上是目前來說我們應該是讓民眾知道我們已經有現在有這麼多優惠而民眾不清楚的部分我們可以加強來說明部長因為你這道說詞我聽過宋蘇長講過但我不認同\n307045\t333255\t我這樣講好了 我們去住那些高級飯店他們有健身中心 裡面有蒸汽室 有游泳池 有重量訓練結果我們問說 旅客為什麼不去使用健身中心旅客很想要什麼 超慢跑要跑步機啊你說我們這些都可以涵蓋在內 你知道健身中心什麼都有啊可是實況上就是什麼我們國人使用這些租稅優惠的意願跟強度不高\n334226\t342893\t那我先問你那如果有人說好因為現在超慢跑很流行我們的健身中心飯店增加一個專區就是跑步機專區你會反對嗎會增加成本嗎\n347128\t364688\t本來你說你的健身中心什麼都有就像你說的不管是你的股息你的利息我健身中心的這些項目通通都要來享受可是旅客使用的率不高啊他得到的好處也不多啊但是你說現在旅客喜歡超慢跑我增設一個慢跑機專區可以嗎\n369093\t396187\t我幫你們理解到這個比喻我想這個租稅的部分必須涉及的層面比較廣我覺得跟一個飯店裡面去偵測一個跑步機應該是不太一樣我用比喻 你用比喻回答來 我就直接知道你會這樣回答請你們現期內把目前國民使用現期投資稅制當中 優惠當中各個項目的比例 使用率還有金額的區間分布告訴我譬如說27萬國人有多少人在使用這27萬\n397648\t418356\t第二 他從不到一萬的到使用滿27萬的 分布是多少第三 他使用哪些項目 是鼓勵鼓息 是鼓勵還是利息這些把它調查出來 我們就知道 是不是像財政部說的我什麼都有 我有27萬讓你用 我不需要再設一個專區專門來針對TESA來提供租稅優惠\n421935\t434119\t請你把它調查出來我們再來個輸贏好的我們可以把這個資料可以做統計好我們來看一看現在日本的NISA對照於台灣的TISA日本的舊置它從40萬120萬提高到120萬240萬投資總額從800萬600萬提高到1800萬\n439361\t466677\t而我們台灣呢完全沒有增額外的稅務優惠然而日本從舊製到新製他把他的投資的商品從共同基金都弄出來了我們還特定基金喔所以你看日本的結果怎麼樣日本一炮而紅所以從NISA一開始呢他創新高啊是上年同期的3.2倍新開戶超買的就是說我們如果能夠新增額外的稅務優惠來推動TISA\n467197\t477882\t就可以充足我們國民退休的第三層保障而且國家也沒有增加額外支出這是我的結論您回去研究一下剛剛保障的那三點要求把它統計出來可以嗎\n480143\t498420\t好 我們來看一下 2024年金控員工的平均年薪排行榜我注意到這14家大型金控只有第三名的兆豐 第五名的第一金還有第八名的和庫金 還有第九名的華南金我們的飯宮股只有這四家入榜 是不是這樣\n504605\t525973\t這些都是金飯碗民間的金控員工薪資是比較高的但是國營的我們怎麼樣跟飯工股跟民營徵財這裡面有沒有國營的沒有飯工股的有4家是不是這樣子請問一下怎麼樣來讓我們的飯工股或者我們的國營金融機構可以跟民股來徵財\n528619\t554102\t我想這個泛公股的部分因為它是泛公股算是一個泛民營化那它可以用公司治理以及自己按自己他們自己的內規定來做處理薪水最直接嘛對 薪水最直接待遇最明顯嘛為什麼人家連排行榜出來我是一個大學出來的畢業生我看一看我會選擇泛公股嗎我會選擇國營的金融機構嗎榜上無名啊那我們往下看\n555393\t572449\t為什麼會這樣子 我們立法院也是始終的之一第八屆第四會期 那時候立法委員包括李桂民 翁崇勳 費鴻泰提議要求限制我們這些財政部所屬的國營事業金融機構的績效獎金最多只能到4.4\n574298\t593232\t是不是目前的限制沒錯這是誰的限制立法院立法院而且很清楚是第八屆國民黨幾位委員所提的我個人認為要調整要思考一下你限制這些就限制了我們飯工股跟我們的國營金融機構去跟民營的來競爭人才你同不同意\n594873\t597858\t是的我就跟委員報告為了這個有關我們的國營金融事業能夠更有一個更強的競爭力能夠\n606278\t627692\t攬財 留財能夠做得更好我們已經有了五個方案謝謝委員對我們國營金融事業的一個關心那五個方案也可以跟委員報告你要報告之前我先問一下我們來看看現有的方案譬如說一個很簡單的伙食費三千元你看看目前我們金控的資產台銀金是排名第一\n628773\t645619\t結果後面的趙鋒鑫 第一金 何庫鑫 華南鑫他的薪資在14名之內台銀金控是沒有欸他們目前台土輸啊對不起喔 這樣講有點不好聽喔台灣金控 土銀跟輸銀簡稱台土輸這國營事業輸添添嘛是不是這樣子好 同時我們再往下看還有什麼生育補助是不是也是一樣相較之下台土輸也是輸添添再往下看下一個\n658858\t684010\t我們的就是說不管是伙食費還是生育補助都是不如人家那請問你說有哪五大方案很快的簡單講一下第一個就是生育補助費的我們五大方案已經抱怨第一個就是生育補助費每一胎十萬塊然後不管是他自己或者是他的配偶十萬塊跟第一金差不多每一胎十萬好不錯跟第一金變沒有了那第二項就是伙食費您剛才列出來我們希望以外加伙食費的話是每個月三千塊\n684830\t710429\t第三個是經營績效獎金從4.4個月我們希望恢復到4.6個月這個部分那第二個對於激勵員工的部分我們認為應該在決算稅前營運裡面要提撥1%到8%按照員工的一些績效他的一個KPI達成等等給予做一些激勵的效果另外一個就是員工福利信託也就是剛剛委員提到就是讓他的退休生活更優化所以我們認為可以\n711670\t733389\t他每個月從薪水出一千銀行相對出一千然後讓他做信託那未來退休可以有一個好的收穫既然你對台土書對我們國營金融事業都這麼好TESA也可以對我們一般國民好吧TESA也是退休儲蓄的一種啊回去研究一下好很好這些我都樂見與財政部跟國庫總統來推動目前推動上有沒有障礙\n734430\t763067\t有沒有立法院在反對目前來說是我們報行政院由仁總在邀請相關機關延伤當中仁總的態度是支持還反對仁總第一個先就生育補助所我倒帶回去問仁總好您可以再跟仁總我幫忙你問仁總請他支持可以嗎謝謝委員最後主席站起來了我三個結論請第一請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分期成效一個月內提出公民報告可以嗎\n767850\t774114\t請評估新增額外的稅務優惠推動TISA以充足國民退休的第三層保障的可行應\n794808\t807019\t行政院能不能在一個月內完成我們不敢把握但是一個月內我們一定提書面報告我反過來 你希望我多久幫你推動成那我當然希望委員越快越好啊我都給你兩個月 要不然給我兩個月你希望委員 立法委員兩個月幫你推動成功好不好好謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席在場委員先進列席政府機關社長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請財政部莊部長和國庫署陳署長以及負稅署的宋署長好財政部部長還有陳署長還有宋委員好部長好兩位署長好部長我們賴總統要推亞洲資產管理中心你支持不支持\n支持這當中的主責是金管會金管會說他希望能夠亞太資產管理中心當中優先要來一個公司協辦的TISATISA制度 你知道吧我知道那麼他也要由當時發肌膚通的吉寶公司來協助那請問要推動TISA跟亞洲資產管理中心有相關您願意在全程範圍內來幫忙推動TISA增加國民的推銷保障嗎\n這個是國家狀況政策當然財政部會跟金管會都會一起努力好那麼在這財政部可以提供的優惠我也私下先請教過宋署長了說現行的所得稅法對於投資稅制優惠這跟TISA息息相關因為TISA就是一種投資除了所得稅法當中\n我們8萬元個人直接買股票或存款的利息可以抵減之外在特別扣除的部分我們如果投資基金這些利息信託基金的利息或股利呢是有27萬元的那麼署長跟我說這些呢是足夠提供民眾投資的誘因優惠請問你所知道國人使用這27萬或這8萬用的多不多普普普遍\n應該不少不少的所以老闆告訴大家不少啊你說現行的報稅系統直接變名就直接帶入所以民眾不曉得他有投資抵稅優惠不知是這樣子的嗎\n委員報告有的時候您剛剛講就是說我們這些相關的租稅優惠可是民眾不見得都知道那他又想說不知道對但是在TISA的時候我們也跟金管會說我們會跟你合作對於現行有關的租稅優惠我們會陳列出來而且協助去做說明讓民眾可以知道\n對 協助 我們甚至可以有同仁去協助說明說我們現有的租稅優惠有這麼多那我們來看看這個DISA下一頁好 我們來先看一下台灣的退休金指數排名不如越南和中國很可怕喔倒數第十 不如新加入平等的越南 為什麼\n我們從公務人員退伍基金管理局來看第一層強制性的社會安全保險像勞保國民年金保險第二層強制的員工退休制度由雇主提撥還有第三層自願性的商業保險儲蓄制度請問我們所說的TISA是不是就是這個第三層就是你去購買投資對你的未來的退休產生一種儲蓄保障是不是這樣\n應該 除此之外還有其他的對 我說TISA是屬於第三層嘛TISA對對對 是這樣嘛它可以去投資 循序投資的概念好 這三大指標當中充足性 永續性跟完整性當中全眾最高充足性台灣只得到46分表示台灣在第三層的部分有很大的成長空間你認為 是不是認為TISA可以有助於國民退休的第三層保障\n我想這個部分對於這樣的規劃運用是有幫助的對於民眾未來退休生活的一個...是的那往下看那國人對於退休儲備不足感到憂慮他說我們的壓力來源是生活成本增加退休儲蓄不足最高擔心生活成本不斷提高的六成擔心退休儲備不足的是七成跟六成然後呢把退休儲蓄視為首要的財務目標佔九成還不是財富自由喔那麼\n民眾就必須透過長期投資跟及早規劃退休那剛剛你也同意了TESA跟這個目前呢息息相關它可以幫助民眾來達成它的首要財務目標可是呢目前金管會檢視啊沒有額外新增個人投資的扣除額在TESA的部分那有沒有考慮財政部來新增投資稅制的優惠來幫助TESA推動\n我再講一次現在TESA這麼重要能夠有助於國人解決他的財務目標那財政部願不願意新增個人的投資額來協助TESA的推動\n剛剛委員也羅列了很多我們現有的一些租稅優惠我們也對照過日本也好還有其他國家的租稅優惠其實我們更優於他們所以這個部分事實上是目前來說我們應該是讓民眾知道我們已經有現在有這麼多優惠而民眾不清楚的部分我們可以加強來說明部長因為你這道說詞我聽過宋蘇長講過但我不認同\n我這樣講好了 我們去住那些高級飯店他們有健身中心 裡面有蒸汽室 有游泳池 有重量訓練結果我們問說 旅客為什麼不去使用健身中心旅客很想要什麼 超慢跑要跑步機啊你說我們這些都可以涵蓋在內 你知道健身中心什麼都有啊可是實況上就是什麼我們國人使用這些租稅優惠的意願跟強度不高\n那我先問你那如果有人說好因為現在超慢跑很流行我們的健身中心飯店增加一個專區就是跑步機專區你會反對嗎會增加成本嗎\n本來你說你的健身中心什麼都有就像你說的不管是你的股息你的利息我健身中心的這些項目通通都要來享受可是旅客使用的率不高啊他得到的好處也不多啊但是你說現在旅客喜歡超慢跑我增設一個慢跑機專區可以嗎\n我幫你們理解到這個比喻我想這個租稅的部分必須涉及的層面比較廣我覺得跟一個飯店裡面去偵測一個跑步機應該是不太一樣我用比喻 你用比喻回答來 我就直接知道你會這樣回答請你們現期內把目前國民使用現期投資稅制當中 優惠當中各個項目的比例 使用率還有金額的區間分布告訴我譬如說27萬國人有多少人在使用這27萬\n第二 他從不到一萬的到使用滿27萬的 分布是多少第三 他使用哪些項目 是鼓勵鼓息 是鼓勵還是利息這些把它調查出來 我們就知道 是不是像財政部說的我什麼都有 我有27萬讓你用 我不需要再設一個專區專門來針對TESA來提供租稅優惠\n請你把它調查出來我們再來個輸贏好的我們可以把這個資料可以做統計好我們來看一看現在日本的NISA對照於台灣的TISA日本的舊置它從40萬120萬提高到120萬240萬投資總額從800萬600萬提高到1800萬\n而我們台灣呢完全沒有增額外的稅務優惠然而日本從舊製到新製他把他的投資的商品從共同基金都弄出來了我們還特定基金喔所以你看日本的結果怎麼樣日本一炮而紅所以從NISA一開始呢他創新高啊是上年同期的3.2倍新開戶超買的就是說我們如果能夠新增額外的稅務優惠來推動TISA\n就可以充足我們國民退休的第三層保障而且國家也沒有增加額外支出這是我的結論您回去研究一下剛剛保障的那三點要求把它統計出來可以嗎\n好 我們來看一下 2024年金控員工的平均年薪排行榜我注意到這14家大型金控只有第三名的兆豐 第五名的第一金還有第八名的和庫金 還有第九名的華南金我們的飯宮股只有這四家入榜 是不是這樣\n這些都是金飯碗民間的金控員工薪資是比較高的但是國營的我們怎麼樣跟飯工股跟民營徵財這裡面有沒有國營的沒有飯工股的有4家是不是這樣子請問一下怎麼樣來讓我們的飯工股或者我們的國營金融機構可以跟民股來徵財\n我想這個泛公股的部分因為它是泛公股算是一個泛民營化那它可以用公司治理以及自己按自己他們自己的內規定來做處理薪水最直接嘛對 薪水最直接待遇最明顯嘛為什麼人家連排行榜出來我是一個大學出來的畢業生我看一看我會選擇泛公股嗎我會選擇國營的金融機構嗎榜上無名啊那我們往下看\n為什麼會這樣子 我們立法院也是始終的之一第八屆第四會期 那時候立法委員包括李桂民 翁崇勳 費鴻泰提議要求限制我們這些財政部所屬的國營事業金融機構的績效獎金最多只能到4.4\n是不是目前的限制沒錯這是誰的限制立法院立法院而且很清楚是第八屆國民黨幾位委員所提的我個人認為要調整要思考一下你限制這些就限制了我們飯工股跟我們的國營金融機構去跟民營的來競爭人才你同不同意\n是的我就跟委員報告為了這個有關我們的國營金融事業能夠更有一個更強的競爭力能夠\n攬財 留財能夠做得更好我們已經有了五個方案謝謝委員對我們國營金融事業的一個關心那五個方案也可以跟委員報告你要報告之前我先問一下我們來看看現有的方案譬如說一個很簡單的伙食費三千元你看看目前我們金控的資產台銀金是排名第一\n結果後面的趙鋒鑫 第一金 何庫鑫 華南鑫他的薪資在14名之內台銀金控是沒有欸他們目前台土輸啊對不起喔 這樣講有點不好聽喔台灣金控 土銀跟輸銀簡稱台土輸這國營事業輸添添嘛是不是這樣子好 同時我們再往下看還有什麼生育補助是不是也是一樣相較之下台土輸也是輸添添再往下看下一個\n我們的就是說不管是伙食費還是生育補助都是不如人家那請問你說有哪五大方案很快的簡單講一下第一個就是生育補助費的我們五大方案已經抱怨第一個就是生育補助費每一胎十萬塊然後不管是他自己或者是他的配偶十萬塊跟第一金差不多每一胎十萬好不錯跟第一金變沒有了那第二項就是伙食費您剛才列出來我們希望以外加伙食費的話是每個月三千塊\n第三個是經營績效獎金從4.4個月我們希望恢復到4.6個月這個部分那第二個對於激勵員工的部分我們認為應該在決算稅前營運裡面要提撥1%到8%按照員工的一些績效他的一個KPI達成等等給予做一些激勵的效果另外一個就是員工福利信託也就是剛剛委員提到就是讓他的退休生活更優化所以我們認為可以\n他每個月從薪水出一千銀行相對出一千然後讓他做信託那未來退休可以有一個好的收穫既然你對台土書對我們國營金融事業都這麼好TESA也可以對我們一般國民好吧TESA也是退休儲蓄的一種啊回去研究一下好很好這些我都樂見與財政部跟國庫總統來推動目前推動上有沒有障礙\n有沒有立法院在反對目前來說是我們報行政院由仁總在邀請相關機關延伤當中仁總的態度是支持還反對仁總第一個先就生育補助所我倒帶回去問仁總好您可以再跟仁總我幫忙你問仁總請他支持可以嗎謝謝委員最後主席站起來了我三個結論請第一請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分期成效一個月內提出公民報告可以嗎\n請評估新增額外的稅務優惠推動TISA以充足國民退休的第三層保障的可行應\n行政院能不能在一個月內完成我們不敢把握但是一個月內我們一定提書面報告我反過來 你希望我多久幫你推動成那我當然希望委員越快越好啊我都給你兩個月 要不然給我兩個月你希望委員 立法委員兩個月幫你推動成功好不好好謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.509 --> 00:34.395\n主席在場委員先進列席政府機關社長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請財政部莊部長和國庫署陳署長以及負稅署的宋署長好財政部部長還有陳署長還有宋委員好部長好兩位署長好部長我們賴總統要推亞洲資產管理中心你支持不支持\n\n00:35.936 --> 01:05.402\n支持這當中的主責是金管會金管會說他希望能夠亞太資產管理中心當中優先要來一個公司協辦的TISATISA制度你知道吧我知道那麼他也要由當時發肌膚通的吉寶公司來協助那請問要推動TISA跟亞洲資產管理中心有相關您願意在全程範圍內來幫忙推動TISA增加國民的推銷保障嗎\n\n01:07.016 --> 01:23.994\n這個是國家狀況政策當然財政部會跟金管會都會一起努力好那麼在這財政部可以提供的優惠我也私下先請教過宋署長了說現行的所得稅法對於投資稅制優惠這跟TISA息息相關因為TISA就是一種投資除了所得稅法當中\n\n01:24.875 --> 01:47.720\n我們8萬元個人直接買股票或存款的利息可以抵減之外在特別扣除的部分我們如果投資基金這些利息信託基金的利息或股利呢是有27萬元的那麼署長跟我說這些呢是足夠提供民眾投資的誘因優惠請問你所知道國人使用這27萬或這8萬用的多不多普普普遍\n\n01:50.093 --> 02:01.700\n應該不少不少的所以老闆告訴大家不少啊你說現行的報稅系統直接變名就直接帶入所以民眾不曉得他有投資抵稅優惠不知是這樣子的嗎\n\n02:03.595 --> 02:20.930\n委員報告有的時候您剛剛講就是說我們這些相關的租稅優惠可是民眾不見得都知道那他又想說不知道對但是在TISA的時候我們也跟金管會說我們會跟你合作對於現行有關的租稅優惠我們會陳列出來而且協助去做說明讓民眾可以知道\n\n02:23.672 --> 02:41.003\n對協助我們甚至可以有同仁去協助說明說我們現有的租稅優惠有這麼多那我們來看看這個DISA下一頁好我們來先看一下台灣的退休金指數排名不如越南和中國很可怕喔倒數第十不如新加入平等的越南為什麼\n\n02:41.923 --> 03:03.818\n我們從公務人員退伍基金管理局來看第一層強制性的社會安全保險像勞保國民年金保險第二層強制的員工退休制度由雇主提撥還有第三層自願性的商業保險儲蓄制度請問我們所說的TISA是不是就是這個第三層就是你去購買投資對你的未來的退休產生一種儲蓄保障是不是這樣\n\n03:05.882 --> 03:27.976\n應該除此之外還有其他的對我說TISA是屬於第三層嘛TISA對對對是這樣嘛它可以去投資循序投資的概念好這三大指標當中充足性永續性跟完整性當中全眾最高充足性台灣只得到46分表示台灣在第三層的部分有很大的成長空間你認為是不是認為TISA可以有助於國民退休的第三層保障\n\n03:30.409 --> 03:58.749\n我想這個部分對於這樣的規劃運用是有幫助的對於民眾未來退休生活的一個...是的那往下看那國人對於退休儲備不足感到憂慮他說我們的壓力來源是生活成本增加退休儲蓄不足最高擔心生活成本不斷提高的六成擔心退休儲備不足的是七成跟六成然後呢把退休儲蓄視為首要的財務目標佔九成還不是財富自由喔那麼\n\n03:59.861 --> 04:24.506\n民眾就必須透過長期投資跟及早規劃退休那剛剛你也同意了TESA跟這個目前呢息息相關它可以幫助民眾來達成它的首要財務目標可是呢目前金管會檢視啊沒有額外新增個人投資的扣除額在TESA的部分那有沒有考慮財政部來新增投資稅制的優惠來幫助TESA推動\n\n04:29.209 --> 04:39.971\n我再講一次現在TESA這麼重要能夠有助於國人解決他的財務目標那財政部願不願意新增個人的投資額來協助TESA的推動\n\n04:43.432 --> 05:04.491\n剛剛委員也羅列了很多我們現有的一些租稅優惠我們也對照過日本也好還有其他國家的租稅優惠其實我們更優於他們所以這個部分事實上是目前來說我們應該是讓民眾知道我們已經有現在有這麼多優惠而民眾不清楚的部分我們可以加強來說明部長因為你這道說詞我聽過宋蘇長講過但我不認同\n\n05:07.045 --> 05:33.255\n我這樣講好了我們去住那些高級飯店他們有健身中心裡面有蒸汽室有游泳池有重量訓練結果我們問說旅客為什麼不去使用健身中心旅客很想要什麼超慢跑要跑步機啊你說我們這些都可以涵蓋在內你知道健身中心什麼都有啊可是實況上就是什麼我們國人使用這些租稅優惠的意願跟強度不高\n\n05:34.226 --> 05:42.893\n那我先問你那如果有人說好因為現在超慢跑很流行我們的健身中心飯店增加一個專區就是跑步機專區你會反對嗎會增加成本嗎\n\n05:47.128 --> 06:04.688\n本來你說你的健身中心什麼都有就像你說的不管是你的股息你的利息我健身中心的這些項目通通都要來享受可是旅客使用的率不高啊他得到的好處也不多啊但是你說現在旅客喜歡超慢跑我增設一個慢跑機專區可以嗎\n\n06:09.093 --> 06:36.187\n我幫你們理解到這個比喻我想這個租稅的部分必須涉及的層面比較廣我覺得跟一個飯店裡面去偵測一個跑步機應該是不太一樣我用比喻你用比喻回答來我就直接知道你會這樣回答請你們現期內把目前國民使用現期投資稅制當中優惠當中各個項目的比例使用率還有金額的區間分布告訴我譬如說27萬國人有多少人在使用這27萬\n\n06:37.648 --> 06:58.356\n第二他從不到一萬的到使用滿27萬的分布是多少第三他使用哪些項目是鼓勵鼓息是鼓勵還是利息這些把它調查出來我們就知道是不是像財政部說的我什麼都有我有27萬讓你用我不需要再設一個專區專門來針對TESA來提供租稅優惠\n\n07:01.935 --> 07:14.119\n請你把它調查出來我們再來個輸贏好的我們可以把這個資料可以做統計好我們來看一看現在日本的NISA對照於台灣的TISA日本的舊置它從40萬120萬提高到120萬240萬投資總額從800萬600萬提高到1800萬\n\n07:19.361 --> 07:46.677\n而我們台灣呢完全沒有增額外的稅務優惠然而日本從舊製到新製他把他的投資的商品從共同基金都弄出來了我們還特定基金喔所以你看日本的結果怎麼樣日本一炮而紅所以從NISA一開始呢他創新高啊是上年同期的3.2倍新開戶超買的就是說我們如果能夠新增額外的稅務優惠來推動TISA\n\n07:47.197 --> 07:57.882\n就可以充足我們國民退休的第三層保障而且國家也沒有增加額外支出這是我的結論您回去研究一下剛剛保障的那三點要求把它統計出來可以嗎\n\n08:00.143 --> 08:18.420\n好我們來看一下2024年金控員工的平均年薪排行榜我注意到這14家大型金控只有第三名的兆豐第五名的第一金還有第八名的和庫金還有第九名的華南金我們的飯宮股只有這四家入榜是不是這樣\n\n08:24.605 --> 08:45.973\n這些都是金飯碗民間的金控員工薪資是比較高的但是國營的我們怎麼樣跟飯工股跟民營徵財這裡面有沒有國營的沒有飯工股的有4家是不是這樣子請問一下怎麼樣來讓我們的飯工股或者我們的國營金融機構可以跟民股來徵財\n\n08:48.619 --> 09:14.102\n我想這個泛公股的部分因為它是泛公股算是一個泛民營化那它可以用公司治理以及自己按自己他們自己的內規定來做處理薪水最直接嘛對薪水最直接待遇最明顯嘛為什麼人家連排行榜出來我是一個大學出來的畢業生我看一看我會選擇泛公股嗎我會選擇國營的金融機構嗎榜上無名啊那我們往下看\n\n09:15.393 --> 09:32.449\n為什麼會這樣子我們立法院也是始終的之一第八屆第四會期那時候立法委員包括李桂民翁崇勳費鴻泰提議要求限制我們這些財政部所屬的國營事業金融機構的績效獎金最多只能到4.4\n\n09:34.298 --> 09:53.232\n是不是目前的限制沒錯這是誰的限制立法院立法院而且很清楚是第八屆國民黨幾位委員所提的我個人認為要調整要思考一下你限制這些就限制了我們飯工股跟我們的國營金融機構去跟民營的來競爭人才你同不同意\n\n09:54.873 --> 09:57.858\n是的我就跟委員報告為了這個有關我們的國營金融事業能夠更有一個更強的競爭力能夠\n\n10:06.278 --> 10:27.692\n攬財留財能夠做得更好我們已經有了五個方案謝謝委員對我們國營金融事業的一個關心那五個方案也可以跟委員報告你要報告之前我先問一下我們來看看現有的方案譬如說一個很簡單的伙食費三千元你看看目前我們金控的資產台銀金是排名第一\n\n10:28.773 --> 10:45.619\n結果後面的趙鋒鑫第一金何庫鑫華南鑫他的薪資在14名之內台銀金控是沒有欸他們目前台土輸啊對不起喔這樣講有點不好聽喔台灣金控土銀跟輸銀簡稱台土輸這國營事業輸添添嘛是不是這樣子好同時我們再往下看還有什麼生育補助是不是也是一樣相較之下台土輸也是輸添添再往下看下一個\n\n10:58.858 --> 11:24.010\n我們的就是說不管是伙食費還是生育補助都是不如人家那請問你說有哪五大方案很快的簡單講一下第一個就是生育補助費的我們五大方案已經抱怨第一個就是生育補助費每一胎十萬塊然後不管是他自己或者是他的配偶十萬塊跟第一金差不多每一胎十萬好不錯跟第一金變沒有了那第二項就是伙食費您剛才列出來我們希望以外加伙食費的話是每個月三千塊\n\n11:24.830 --> 11:50.429\n第三個是經營績效獎金從4.4個月我們希望恢復到4.6個月這個部分那第二個對於激勵員工的部分我們認為應該在決算稅前營運裡面要提撥1%到8%按照員工的一些績效他的一個KPI達成等等給予做一些激勵的效果另外一個就是員工福利信託也就是剛剛委員提到就是讓他的退休生活更優化所以我們認為可以\n\n11:51.670 --> 12:13.389\n他每個月從薪水出一千銀行相對出一千然後讓他做信託那未來退休可以有一個好的收穫既然你對台土書對我們國營金融事業都這麼好TESA也可以對我們一般國民好吧TESA也是退休儲蓄的一種啊回去研究一下好很好這些我都樂見與財政部跟國庫總統來推動目前推動上有沒有障礙\n\n12:14.430 --> 12:43.067\n有沒有立法院在反對目前來說是我們報行政院由仁總在邀請相關機關延伤當中仁總的態度是支持還反對仁總第一個先就生育補助所我倒帶回去問仁總好您可以再跟仁總我幫忙你問仁總請他支持可以嗎謝謝委員最後主席站起來了我三個結論請第一請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分期成效一個月內提出公民報告可以嗎\n\n12:47.850 --> 12:54.114\n請評估新增額外的稅務優惠推動TISA以充足國民退休的第三層保障的可行應\n\n13:14.808 --> 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費鴻泰提議要求限制我們這些財政部所屬的國營事業金融機構的績效獎金最多只能到4.4"},{"start":574.298,"end":593.232,"text":"是不是目前的限制沒錯這是誰的限制立法院立法院而且很清楚是第八屆國民黨幾位委員所提的我個人認為要調整要思考一下你限制這些就限制了我們飯工股跟我們的國營金融機構去跟民營的來競爭人才你同不同意"},{"start":594.873,"end":597.858,"text":"是的我就跟委員報告為了這個有關我們的國營金融事業能夠更有一個更強的競爭力能夠"},{"start":606.278,"end":627.692,"text":"攬財 留財能夠做得更好我們已經有了五個方案謝謝委員對我們國營金融事業的一個關心那五個方案也可以跟委員報告你要報告之前我先問一下我們來看看現有的方案譬如說一個很簡單的伙食費三千元你看看目前我們金控的資產台銀金是排名第一"},{"start":628.773,"end":645.619,"text":"結果後面的趙鋒鑫 第一金 何庫鑫 華南鑫他的薪資在14名之內台銀金控是沒有欸他們目前台土輸啊對不起喔 這樣講有點不好聽喔台灣金控 土銀跟輸銀簡稱台土輸這國營事業輸添添嘛是不是這樣子好 同時我們再往下看還有什麼生育補助是不是也是一樣相較之下台土輸也是輸添添再往下看下一個"},{"start":658.858,"end":684.01,"text":"我們的就是說不管是伙食費還是生育補助都是不如人家那請問你說有哪五大方案很快的簡單講一下第一個就是生育補助費的我們五大方案已經抱怨第一個就是生育補助費每一胎十萬塊然後不管是他自己或者是他的配偶十萬塊跟第一金差不多每一胎十萬好不錯跟第一金變沒有了那第二項就是伙食費您剛才列出來我們希望以外加伙食費的話是每個月三千塊"},{"start":684.83,"end":710.429,"text":"第三個是經營績效獎金從4.4個月我們希望恢復到4.6個月這個部分那第二個對於激勵員工的部分我們認為應該在決算稅前營運裡面要提撥1%到8%按照員工的一些績效他的一個KPI達成等等給予做一些激勵的效果另外一個就是員工福利信託也就是剛剛委員提到就是讓他的退休生活更優化所以我們認為可以"},{"start":711.67,"end":733.389,"text":"他每個月從薪水出一千銀行相對出一千然後讓他做信託那未來退休可以有一個好的收穫既然你對台土書對我們國營金融事業都這麼好TESA也可以對我們一般國民好吧TESA也是退休儲蓄的一種啊回去研究一下好很好這些我都樂見與財政部跟國庫總統來推動目前推動上有沒有障礙"},{"start":734.43,"end":763.067,"text":"有沒有立法院在反對目前來說是我們報行政院由仁總在邀請相關機關延伤當中仁總的態度是支持還反對仁總第一個先就生育補助所我倒帶回去問仁總好您可以再跟仁總我幫忙你問仁總請他支持可以嗎謝謝委員最後主席站起來了我三個結論請第一請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分期成效一個月內提出公民報告可以嗎"},{"start":767.85,"end":774.114,"text":"請評估新增額外的稅務優惠推動TISA以充足國民退休的第三層保障的可行應"},{"start":794.808,"end":807.019,"text":"行政院能不能在一個月內完成我們不敢把握但是一個月內我們一定提書面報告我反過來 你希望我多久幫你推動成那我當然希望委員越快越好啊我都給你兩個月 要不然給我兩個月你希望委員 立法委員兩個月幫你推動成功好不好好謝謝謝謝委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":596,"blocks":[["鍾委員佳濱：（10時25分）主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請財政部莊部長、國庫署陳署長以及賦稅署宋署長。"],["主席：好，財政部長、陳署長，還有宋署長。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["鍾委員佳濱：部長好，兩位署長好。部長，我們賴總統要推亞洲資產管理中心，你支不支持？"],["莊部長翠雲：支持。"],["鍾委員佳濱：支持，好。這當中的主責是金管會。金管會希望亞太資產管理中心當中，優先要採公私協力推動TISA制度，你知道吧？"],["莊部長翠雲：我知道。"],["鍾委員佳濱：知道。那麼它也要由基富通和集保公司來協助，請問要推動TISA跟亞洲資產管理中心有相關，您願意在權責範圍內來幫忙推動TISA，增加國民的退休保障嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個是國家重要政策，當然財政部跟金管會都會一起努力。"],["鍾委員佳濱：之後，財政部可以提供的優惠，我也私下先請教過宋署長，現行的所得稅法對於投資稅制優惠，這跟TISA息息相關，因為TISA就是一種投資，除了所得稅法當中，8萬元個人直接買股票或存款的利息可以抵減之外，在特別扣除額的部分，如果信託基金的利息或股利是有27萬元，署長跟我說這些是足夠提供民眾投資的誘因優惠，請問你所知道國人使用這27萬或這8萬用得多不多、普不普遍？"],["莊部長翠雲：應該不少。"],["鍾委員佳濱：您說現行的報稅系統很便民就直接帶入，所以民眾不曉得有投資抵稅優惠，是這樣嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，您剛剛講的這些相關租稅優惠，有的時候民眾不見得都知道。"],["鍾委員佳濱：他有享受但不知道？"],["莊部長翠雲：對，但對於TISA，我們也說會跟金管會合作，對於現行有關的租稅優惠，我們會陳列出來，而且協助去做說明，讓民眾……"],["鍾委員佳濱：印小冊子協助說明。"],["莊部長翠雲：對，我們甚至可以有同仁去協助說明，我們現有的租稅優惠有這麼多。"],["鍾委員佳濱：我們來看看TISA，臺灣的退休金指數排名不如越南和中國，很可怕，臺灣倒數第10名，不如新加入評等的越南，為什麼？從公務人員退撫基金管理局來看，第一層，強制性社會安全制度，像勞保、國民年金保險；第二層，強制性員工退休制度，由雇主提撥；第三層，自願性商業保險儲蓄制度，請問TISA是不是第三層，就是你去購買投資對你未來的退休產生有儲蓄保障，是不是這樣？"],["莊部長翠雲：應該除此之外還有其他的。"],["鍾委員佳濱：對，我說TISA是屬於第三層。"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["鍾委員佳濱：是這樣嘛。"],["莊部長翠雲：它可以去儲蓄、投資的概念。"],["鍾委員佳濱：這3大指標：充足性、永續性跟完整性當中，占權重最高的充足性，臺灣只得到46分，表示臺灣在第三層有很大的成長空間，你是不是認為TISA可以有助於國民退休的第三層保障？"],["莊部長翠雲：我想這個部分對於規劃運用是有幫助的，對於民眾未來退休生活的……"],["鍾委員佳濱：國人對於退休儲備不足感到憂慮，壓力來源的生活成本增加，退休儲蓄不足占最高，擔心生活成本不斷提高的有七成、擔心退休儲備不足的有六成、把退休儲蓄視為首要的財務目標占九成，還不是財富自由，民眾就必須透過長期投資跟及早退規劃退休，剛剛你也同意TISA跟這個目前息息相關，可以幫助民眾來達成首要財務目標，可是目前金管會檢視，沒有額外新增個人投資扣除額在TISA的部分，財政部有沒有考慮來新增投資稅制優惠來幫助TISA推動？我再講一次，現在TISA這麼重要，能夠有助於國人解決他的財務目標，財政部願不願意新增個人的投資扣除額來協助TISA的推動？"],["莊部長翠雲：剛剛委員也羅列了很多現有的一些租稅優惠，我們也對照過，日本也好，還有其他國家的租稅優惠，其實我們更優於他們，所以這個部分，事實上目前來說，我們應該是讓民眾知道現在已經有這麼多優惠，而民眾不清楚的部分，我們可以加強來說明。"],["鍾委員佳濱：部長，因為你這套說詞我聽過宋署長講過，但我不認同。我這樣講好了，我們去住那些高級飯店，他們有健身中心，裡面有蒸氣室、游泳池、重量訓練，結果我們問說，旅客為什麼不去使用健身中心，旅客很想要什麼？超慢跑，要跑步機，但你說這些都可以涵蓋在內，你只要來健身中心什麼都有，可是實況上就是我們國人使用這些租稅優惠的意願跟強度不高，我先問你，如果有人說因為現在超慢跑很流行，飯店健身中心增加一個跑步機專區，你會反對嗎？會增加成本嗎？本來你說健身中心什麼都有，就像你說的，不管是股息、利息，健身中心的這些項目通通都可以來享受，可是旅客使用率不高，他得到的好處也不多啊！但是你說現在旅客喜歡超慢跑，我增設一個慢跑機專區，可以嗎？我不知道你有沒有理解到這個比喻？"],["莊部長翠雲：有關這個租稅的部分，涉及的層面比較廣，我覺得跟飯店裡面去增設一個跑步機，應該是不太一樣，也不能……"],["鍾委員佳濱：我用比喻，你用比喻回答。我就知道你會這樣回答。","請你們限期內把目前國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各個項目的比例、使用率、金額的區間分布告訴我，譬如說，國人有多少人在使用27萬；第二，從不到1萬的，到使用滿27萬的，分布是多少；第三，他使用哪些項目，是股利還是利息，把這些調查出來，我們就知道是不是像財政部說的：我什麼都有，我有27萬讓你用，我不需要再設一個專區，專門來針對TISA來提供租稅優惠，請你調查出來，我們再來「輸贏」。"],["莊部長翠雲：好的，我們可以把資料統計。"],["鍾委員佳濱：我們來看現在日本的NISA對照於臺灣的TISA，日本的舊制每年投資額度上限從40萬、120萬提高到120萬、240萬；投資總額上限從800萬、600萬提高到1,800萬，而臺灣完全沒有新增額外的稅務優惠，然而，日本從舊制到新制，把投資的商品從共同基金都弄出來了，我們還是特定基金，所以你看日本的結果怎麼樣？日本一炮而紅，所以從NISA一開始創新高，新開戶數是上年同期的3.2倍，我們如果能夠新增額外的稅務優惠來推動TISA就可以充足國民退休的第三層保障，而且國家也沒有增加額外支出，這是我的結論，你回去研究一下，把剛剛的3點要求統計出來，可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：沒問題，謝謝委員。"],["鍾委員佳濱：看一下2024年金控員工的平均年薪排行榜，我注意到這14家大型金控，只有第3名的兆豐金、第5名的第一金、第8名的合庫金、第9名的華南金，泛公股只有這4家入榜，是不是這樣？"],["莊部長翠雲：對，照您這個年增率。"],["鍾委員佳濱：這些都是金飯碗，民間的金控員工薪資是比較高，這裡面沒有國營的，泛公股的有4家，請問怎麼樣來讓泛公股或者國營金融機構可以跟民營來徵才？"],["莊部長翠雲：我想泛公股的部分，因為算是一個泛民營化，可以用公司治理，以及自己按照自己的規定來做處理。"],["鍾委員佳濱：薪水最直接嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：對，薪水最直接。"],["鍾委員佳濱：待遇最明顯嘛！為什麼人家列排行榜出來？我是一個大學出來的畢業生，我看一看，我會選擇泛公股嗎？我會選擇國營的金融機構嗎？榜上無名。","為什麼會這樣子？立法院也是始作俑者之一，第8屆第4會期那時候立法委員包括李貴敏、翁重鈞、費鴻泰提議要求，限制財政部所屬的國營事業金融機構的績效獎金，最多只能到4.4個月薪，是不是目前的限制？"],["莊部長翠雲：沒錯。"],["鍾委員佳濱：這誰的限制？"],["莊部長翠雲：立法院當時的決議。"],["鍾委員佳濱：立法院，而且很清楚是第8屆國民黨幾位委員所提的，我個人認為要調整、要思考一下，你限制這些就限制了泛公股跟我們的國營金融機構去跟民營的來競爭人才，你同不同意？"],["莊部長翠雲：是的，跟委員報告，為了有關國營金融事業能夠更有一個更強的競爭力，能夠攬才、留才，能夠做得更好……"],["鍾委員佳濱：你們有哪些激勵措施？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們已經有了5個方案，謝謝委員對我們國營金融事業的一個關心……"],["鍾委員佳濱：你5個方案給我，我們來看一下。"],["莊部長翠雲：5個方案也可以跟委員報告……"],["鍾委員佳濱：報告之前我先問一下，我們來看看現有方案，譬如說，很簡單的伙食費3,000元，目前我們金控的資產，臺灣金是排名第1，結果後面的兆豐金、第一金、合庫金、華南金的薪資在14名之內，臺銀金控是沒有在內，目前臺灣金控、土銀、輸銀，簡稱「臺土輸」，國營事業「輸慘慘」，是不是這樣子？生育補助是不是也是一樣？相較之下，「臺土輸」也是「輸慘慘」，再往下看，不管是伙食費還是生育補助，都是不如人家，請問你說有哪五大方案？很快的簡單講一下，我要下結論了。"],["莊部長翠雲：第一個就是生育補助費的……"],["鍾委員佳濱：要提高嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們的五大方案已經報院了。"],["鍾委員佳濱：要增加？"],["莊部長翠雲：第一個就是生育補助費每一胎10萬塊，然後不管是他自己或是他的配偶每一胎10萬……"],["鍾委員佳濱：10萬塊跟第一金差不多。"],["莊部長翠雲：每一胎10萬。"],["鍾委員佳濱：好，不錯，跟第一金……"],["莊部長翠雲：第二項就是伙食費，您剛剛有列出來，我們希望以外加伙食費的方式，每個月3,000塊；第三個就是經營績效獎金，從4.4個月，我們希望恢復到4.6個月。"],["鍾委員佳濱：很好。"],["莊部長翠雲：第二個，對於激勵員工的部分，我們認為應該在決算稅前盈餘裡面要提撥1%到8%，按照員工的績效、他的KPI達成率等等給予激勵的效果；另外一個就是員工福利信託，也就是剛剛委員提的，就是讓他的退休生活更優化，所以我們認為可以從他每個月薪水裡出1,000，銀行相對出1,000，然後讓他做信託，未來退休就可以有一個好的收入。"],["鍾委員佳濱：這一部分停一下，既然你對「臺土輸」、對我們國營金融事業都這麼好，TISA也應該可以對我們一般國民好吧？TISA也是退休儲蓄的一種，回去研究一下。很好，這些我都樂見財政部跟國庫署共同來推動，目前推動上有沒有障礙？有沒有立法院的反對？"],["莊部長翠雲：目前來說是我們報行政院，由人總再邀請相關機關研商當中……"],["鍾委員佳濱：人總的態度是支持還是反對？"],["莊部長翠雲：第一個是先就生育補助……"],["鍾委員佳濱：我待會會去問人總。"],["莊部長翠雲：已經開過會了，您可以再跟人總……"],["鍾委員佳濱：我幫你問人總，請它支持可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。"],["鍾委員佳濱：最後，主席站起來了，我有三個結論：第一，請統計國民使用現行投資稅制優惠中各項目之比例、使用率及金額的區間分布之數據並分析成效，於一個月內提出書面報告可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：好，我們是不是兩個月，好不好？"],["鍾委員佳濱：好，可以。"],["莊部長翠雲：請評估新增額外的稅務優惠，推動TISA，以充足國民退休第三層保障的可行性。不要一個月，兩個月提出一個書面報告？"],["莊部長翠雲：好，兩個月。"],["鍾委員佳濱：第三，你剛剛已經講了嘛，已經研議提升國營金融機構員工待遇得與泛公股，甚至是民營銀行的徵才方案，你剛剛說有這五項方案對不對？是不是在一個月內能夠完成行政院的推動，還是要多久？"],["莊部長翠雲：行政院能不能在一個月內完成，我們不敢把握，但是……"],["鍾委員佳濱：那你希望多久？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們一定提書面報告。"],["鍾委員佳濱：我反過來，你希望我多久幫你推動完成？"],["莊部長翠雲：我當然希望委員越快越好。"],["鍾委員佳濱：你要給我時間啊！我都給你兩個月，那你要不要給我兩個月？"],["莊部長翠雲：好。"],["鍾委員佳濱：你希望立法委員兩個月幫你推動成功，好不好？"],["莊部長翠雲：好。"],["鍾委員佳濱：謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝佳濱委員，我想這個對公股銀行其實是個很大鼓勵，公股銀行都招募不到員工了，這是很大的一個困境，我覺得不是立法院要加油，行政院也要加油啊！","接著我們請顏寬恒委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":564,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-20-3","speakers":["賴惠員","吳秉叡","林德福","賴士葆","郭國文","林思銘","鍾佳濱","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","楊瓊瓔","李坤城","羅明才","張啓楷","李彥秀","王世堅","陳玉珍","洪孟楷","邱志偉","陳培瑜","葉元之","陳冠廷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-03-20"],"gazette_id":"1143001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143001_00002","1143001_00003","1143001_00004","1143001_00005","1143001_00006","1143001_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理（含各轉投資事業機構公\n股代表之董、監事）列席業務報告，並備質詢；二、審查行政院函請審議「海關進口稅則部分稅\n則修正草案」案；三、彙總整理提出「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及\n非營業部分審查總報告草案」提報院會案","agenda_id":"1143001_00001"}}}