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00:01:07,537\n但是就這個部長啊部長說水龍頭轉開就有水這是成本很高的事情當然這個水的部分有很多的因素以台灣來講本來不應該是切水的但是很多的因素所以怎麼樣去做一個合理的處理那電尤其是電尤其是電\n\n3\n00:01:09,977 --> 00:01:24,187\n我們看這個電費漲價的這個歷史當然有漲有降但是如果我們看這幾年從2022年10月漲8.4%2023年4月漲11%然後\n\n4\n00:01:37,079 --> 00:02:04,414\n2024年4月也漲2024年10月也漲漲的比例都很高所以下個月4月份審議委員會要開會了是不是是的所以這個部分很多的因素必須去思考\n\n5\n00:02:05,851 --> 00:02:30,521\n部長剛上任去年剛上任的時候我是非常期待因為你曾經也發表過有關核能的部分但是後來你這個比較不講了這個前幾天總統府氣候變遷委員會副召集人合授董事長童子仙昨天\n\n6\n00:02:33,646 --> 00:02:43,369\n核電可以年省好幾千億元N千億元特別提到2023年前台灣的用電2821.4億度如果用全部用太陽能發電的話太陽能發電的話需要10.5個台北市的土地\n\n7\n00:03:04,807 --> 00:03:28,381\n未产生足够的电核二核三的发电效率非常好成本非常低根据台电去年公布的发电成本资料每一度电1.42元所以台电向民间购入的风力和太阳能的发电成本分别为6.594.87\n\n8\n00:03:34,306 --> 00:03:56,318\n差別很大所以部長你是經這個經濟的專家業界出來的這個成本應該要非常的清楚非常的清楚當然他還提到這個後面的這我就時間的關係就不再念了所以\n\n9\n00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:24,081\n一開始其實我之前一開始你上任的時候我就講過在這邊講過所以你應該召集核電的專家台電來去做討論仔細仔細的討論然後要救我們這8年多來甚至9年來在這個\n\n10\n00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:35,814\n力能的這方面投入了多少的經費然後包括台電要去買這些電又投入了多少經費這個這樣去算\n\n11\n00:04:38,410 --> 00:05:02,668\n如果你是你的話絕對不可能這樣如果這個事業給你做的話不可能這樣不可能像這樣的方式嗎這個部分所以這個部分這個請部長來繼續的來努力這個是我們所期待的就是不要再漲電不要再漲水也不要漲好接下來\n\n12\n00:05:06,579 --> 00:05:33,881\n這個談這個跟台電沒有關係了跟水利署有關係水利署這個本席有請這個經濟部上次我諮詢的時候有答覆了從111111112113這幾年了在花蓮投入的相關的這個中央管河川及海岸\n\n13\n00:05:34,875 --> 00:06:01,782\n其實主要都是中央管核穿的所投入的經費這個代理部署長請問一下署長以110年然後這個2億在花蓮這個大概是三十分之一吧整個你們的總預算差不多三十分之一可能還更低投入的真的很少\n\n14\n00:06:04,266 --> 00:06:30,511\n而且整個都是修整修整件的部分只有一筆整件的部分只有一筆其他都是修都是修好我上次也舉過這個例子花蓮大橋到葉美部落193線道一颱風就塌方一颱風就下雨塌方\n\n15\n00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:59,071\n其實很重要的因素就是花蓮溪的整治這個堤防對不對上次我也講過所以這個部分要投入要投入我再舉第二個例子北岡大橋它相安無事了但是因為你們把這個河川七一線劃得很大已經有堤防了\n\n16\n00:07:00,424 --> 00:07:25,396\n已經有提防了我的前輩楊榮福立委的時候好不容易提防提防提防蓋了就是要去解決我們土地的問題了我們沒有發生災害了我們是希望我們的土地不要一直變成河川其一的土地不要一直變成水利用地然後能夠把土地的產權能夠給我們還給我們就這樣而已\n\n17\n00:07:29,434 --> 00:07:57,814\n堤防也蓋了結果河川七一線越劃越大河川七一線劃到這個堤防的跟部落的之間這很奇怪大概前台灣可能是唯一的還是唯一的一例我不知道為什麼既然是要這樣繼續河川七一線要這樣堤防再蓋啊再拉長啊\n\n18\n00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:27,820\n提防再拉長這個部分請水利署仔細的去再去考量不是考量去做就去做另外這個也讓部長知道有時候這個地方這個是成功鎮台東成功鎮八翁部落多峰段的這海岸海岸\n\n19\n00:08:30,036 --> 00:08:52,513\n這個海岸被沖洗有房子有住家住家已經快被清洗了海岸還不做推來推去跟地方政府推來推去然後這個是有私有土地當然是要保護私有土地\n\n20\n00:08:53,715 --> 00:09:18,673\n然後這個有零物質的土地零液屬的土地國有土地也要保護啊不要避免台灣變成越來越小啊所以海岸管理法14條規定得很清楚啊為防止海岸災害預防海水倒灌國土流失國土流失啊私有土地跟公有土地多是國土\n\n21\n00:09:19,690 --> 00:09:44,357\n保護民眾生命財產安全海岸地區有限愛情事宜者得失其嚴重情形化作為一級或二級海岸防護區而且這個都是要由誰中央主管機關來去做所以這個部分請署長立即去處理好不好好謝謝署長好謝謝委員\n\n22\n00:09:48,049 --> 00:09:49,380\n好謝謝我們現在\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8801\t36566\t主席 國務委員有請部長國務部長部長好委員長這個嘴電雙掌這個是我們非常不希望的這個左院長特別說時機未定\n39653\t67537\t但是就這個部長啊部長說水龍頭轉開就有水這是成本很高的事情當然這個水的部分有很多的因素以台灣來講本來不應該是切水的但是很多的因素所以怎麼樣去做一個合理的處理那電尤其是電尤其是電\n69977\t84187\t我們看這個電費漲價的這個歷史當然有漲有降但是如果我們看這幾年從2022年10月漲8.4%2023年4月漲11%然後\n97079\t124414\t2024年4月也漲2024年10月也漲漲的比例都很高所以下個月4月份審議委員會要開會了是不是是的所以這個部分很多的因素必須去思考\n125851\t150521\t部長剛上任 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113這幾年了在花蓮投入的相關的這個中央管河川及海岸\n其實主要都是中央管核穿的所投入的經費這個代理部署長請問一下署長以110年然後這個2億在花蓮這個大概是三十分之一吧整個你們的總預算差不多三十分之一可能還更低投入的真的很少\n而且整個都是修整修整件的部分只有一筆整件的部分只有一筆其他都是修都是修好我上次也舉過這個例子花蓮大橋到葉美部落193線道一颱風就塌方一颱風就下雨塌方\n其實很重要的因素就是花蓮溪的整治這個堤防對不對上次我也講過所以這個部分要投入要投入我再舉第二個例子北岡大橋它相安無事了但是因為你們把這個河川七一線劃得很大已經有堤防了\n已經有提防了我的前輩楊榮福立委的時候好不容易提防提防提防蓋了就是要去解決我們土地的問題了我們沒有發生災害了我們是希望我們的土地不要一直變成河川其一的土地不要一直變成水利用地然後能夠把土地的產權能夠給我們還給我們就這樣而已\n堤防也蓋了 結果河川七一線越劃越大河川七一線劃到這個堤防的跟部落的之間這很奇怪 大概前台灣可能是唯一的還是唯一的一例我不知道為什麼既然是要這樣 繼續河川七一線要這樣堤防再蓋啊 再拉長啊\n提防再拉長這個部分請水利署仔細的去再去考量不是考量去做就去做另外這個也讓部長知道有時候這個地方這個是成功鎮台東成功鎮八翁部落多峰段的這海岸海岸\n這個海岸被沖洗有房子有住家住家已經快被清洗了海岸還不做推來推去跟地方政府推來推去然後這個是有私有土地當然是要保護私有土地\n然後這個有零物質的土地 零液屬的土地國有土地也要保護啊 不要避免台灣變成越來越小啊所以海岸管理法14條規定得很清楚啊為防止海岸災害 預防海水倒灌國土流失 國土流失啊私有土地跟公有土地多是國土\n保護民眾生命財產安全海岸地區有限愛情事宜者得失其嚴重情形化作為一級或二級海岸防護區而且這個都是要由誰中央主管機關來去做所以這個部分請署長立即去處理好不好好謝謝署長好謝謝委員\n好謝謝我們現在\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.801 --> 00:36.566\n主席國務委員有請部長國務部長部長好委員長這個嘴電雙掌這個是我們非常不希望的這個左院長特別說時機未定\n\n00:39.653 --> 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