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00:03:24,531\n譬如說以教育部來看的話去年8月他就能夠簽身心調試駕可是很多學生也反映我都遭受到刁難那公副機關到底會不會出現這樣的一個問題我不曉得任總這個地方你們對於這樣的一個身心調試駕這樣的一個概念這個價別你們的態度怎麼樣\n\n9\n00:03:26,994 --> 00:03:41,153\n我委員報告三月十七號我們已經申請調適假簽了基本上當事人在申請三天調適假裡面就是在整個試駕七天裡面\n\n10\n00:03:42,762 --> 00:04:11,254\n機關不能犯罪,而且他也不用檢護什麼證明就是確保當事人他要申請的,而且機關也不能對申請調適假的人做出就是有害的一些處分,你算苛責還是其他的都不行那時候要補充那所以說申請調適假以現在來看的話本來你說七天裡面,那年齡你還沒算出來啊?還沒算一天啊?\n\n11\n00:04:12,776 --> 00:04:33,482\n三年裡面可以贏啊因為暑假先贏贏的之後又不會嫁啊所以它真正的實意是什麼第一個不列為考積它就不用證明嘛也不影響它的考積嘛因為暑假一般你會穿很多暑假的科學的應用我倒這樣看啦\n\n12\n00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:53,231\n你說身心調適價我們最怕的就是會被標籤化了會覺得你偷懶怕會造成一個負面的影響那第二個跑去放假了那其他人來看的話會不會有職務代理的問題你也必須要去考慮到這樣的一個問題啊\n\n13\n00:04:55,151 --> 00:05:12,029\n基本上當事人是有需要才去申請,剛才委員提的是有可能啦因為一個人好好的,不然代表自己去請其實這個問題以目前的情況來講,發生的機會同人之間發生了這種所謂的懷疑,人好好的去請假本來就有他的管理可以去請\n\n14\n00:05:17,915 --> 00:05:32,587\n我要跟你們講就是說你這個政府你既然要提出來以後你就是要去落實啦不是說日本的就好日本的就有啊這個態度我就覺得反而那個政府這樣的一個美意又要被打折扣了\n\n15\n00:05:33,387 --> 00:05:51,277\n好不好好那另外啊本席要來請教的就是說我最近看到國民黨的朋友他們也一直在拋一個議題就是還我七天假這樣的一個議題出來我不曉得任總你的態度是怎麼樣國民黨現在提案說要恢復過去刪除了七天的國慶假日\n\n16\n00:05:52,861 --> 00:06:08,175\n我們比較擔心的就是說這樣的一個議題其實都可以討論啦也沒有哪一個政黨說提出來以後他一定就會賺到一個放假的一個紅利未必這個未必都會有政治上的紅利為什麼會衝擊到民間衝擊到企業你像譬如說這個假裝都回來了對民眾來講的話\n\n17\n00:06:14,801 --> 00:06:20,183\n我譬如說你應用在你政府的一個運作那你像譬如說副政機關稅務單位或者說交通或者醫療這個對民眾產生的一個衝擊\n\n18\n00:06:30,226 --> 00:06:51,300\n提案的人他未必會享受到紅利那一個案子這個如果說這個法假設通過了以後衝擊到的是民眾衝擊到了一般的民眾或者衝擊到企業的一個運作所以我不曉得你任總你真正對這項的修法裡面的態度到底是什麼\n\n19\n00:06:52,594 --> 00:07:07,447\n基本上紀念日到節日實施辦法是內政部在主管的,在上面寫的嘛基本上那個上位的部分內政部他去定,我們要來修改\n\n20\n00:07:09,268 --> 00:07:34,649\n白鴿我怎麼來擺這樣啦有一個上下游的關係啦也要有你的態度啊都要有你的態度啊我也算你連工都要下去這麼薄主管的但問題就是說這涉及到整個政府整體的一個運作的穩定性跟民眾接受到政府機關服務它的一個順暢而且也牽扯到整個民間企業的一個運作這個都會衝擊到啊你怎麼可以這樣說這是政府主管而已啊\n\n21\n00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:56,160\n我覺得這個事情剛才委員提的這些民間業者的經營成本的問題還有一個就是小孩子的售價錢的問題那當然因為你放假要小孩尤其偏鄉那些小孩說這個啦他的教育資源本來就比較匱乏你再放假再放越多對他們來說相對不公平所以說你的態度我又聽不懂啦\n\n22\n00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:25,518\n我我的態度就是持保留啊因為你就是保留嘛就不是只有內政部而已嘛對不對你就不是說這個就不是什麼內政部主管機關嘛就是說我人種我對於這樣的一個修法你們就是保留嘛保留也是有道理啊不是沒有道理這本來就可以討論啊opendiscussion不錯來想問一下一條就是說你針對於原住民主碎石計一架裡面喔\n\n23\n00:08:26,638 --> 00:08:37,648\n我一直在盯這樣的一個問題,就是說這樣的一個價別裡面,你可不可以讓大家尤其讓我們原住民的朋友,不要讓他們看得到\n\n24\n00:08:40,663 --> 00:09:04,744\n請不上你像譬如說我們政府去允許原住民在按照族群的遂時計放假一天但問題就是說這項的一個權益裡面有的人真的不知道就變成說有價可以請的人我沒請到就白白吃虧了那部分的企業或者機關他甚至於不了解整個的一個政策導致員工的請假\n\n25\n00:09:05,825 --> 00:09:16,306\n有人去請的忙也是用記者甚至於說還要不知心所以我在這個地方具體的來建議就是說是不是在我們每一年的辦公日曆上我們去加注\n\n26\n00:09:17,355 --> 00:09:41,290\n原住民族碎石記憶架的一個資訊那你透過整個官方行事曆的一個曝光以後提高社會對原住民族文化的一個認識那也可以去確保整個企業跟機關明確了解放假的一個規定你避免整個執行上的一個混亂請教我們人總這邊的看法我委員報告啦在你螢幕上這張\n\n27\n00:09:43,271 --> 00:09:58,460\n正面反面說真的我們會利用被住的地方去做一個序名啦所以就代表我們原來沒做啦現在你把它加下去我們有寫說按照原住民委員會的公告有寫這樣的\n\n28\n00:09:59,778 --> 00:10:23,558\n我們真的要注明好不好因為在那裡在那裡有什麼還有兒姐父王子我們想要更加明確人總是不是願意在下一年度的行事你加重這個資訊的資訊來落實整個政策的一個效益就這樣你看我在那裡建議加注原住民的稅時計餘價的一個資訊可以嗎\n\n29\n00:10:27,315 --> 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不會減少嘛公共機關講究的就是一個叫做效率嘛講究的就是一個叫做責任嘛那會有衝突那今天本席就幾個問題要來請教啦那政府啊我看賴總統去年也提出了一個所謂的身心調適價這樣的一個概念啦那我不曉得\n156107\t174252\t那這個身心調試假 你說讓公務人員可以在整個心理壓力過大的時候來做一個請假也不需要整個病假的一個證明可是在基層公務人員普遍的一個反應 我的請試假問題就已經很困難了那何況這種新設立的一個價別\n178993\t204531\t譬如說以教育部來看的話去年8月他就能夠簽身心調試駕可是很多學生也反映我都遭受到刁難那公副機關到底會不會出現這樣的一個問題我不曉得任總這個地方你們對於這樣的一個身心調試駕這樣的一個概念這個價別你們的態度怎麼樣\n206994\t221153\t我委員報告三月十七號我們已經申請調適假簽了基本上當事人在申請三天調適假裡面就是在整個試駕七天裡面\n222762\t251254\t機關不能犯罪,而且他也不用檢護什麼證明就是確保當事人他要申請的,而且機關也不能對申請調適假的人做出就是有害的一些處分,你算苛責還是其他的都不行那時候要補充那所以說申請調適假以現在來看的話本來你說七天裡面,那年齡你還沒算出來啊?還沒算一天啊?\n252776\t273482\t三年裡面可以贏啊 因為暑假先贏贏的之後又不會嫁啊所以它真正的實意是什麼 第一個不列為考積它就不用證明嘛 也不影響它的考積嘛因為暑假一般你會穿很多暑假的 科學的應用我倒這樣看啦\n274400\t293231\t你說身心調適價 我們最怕的就是會被標籤化了會覺得你偷懶 怕會造成一個負面的影響那第二個 跑去放假了 那其他人來看的話 會不會有職務代理的問題你也必須要去考慮到這樣的一個問題啊\n295151\t312029\t基本上當事人是有需要才去申請,剛才委員提的是有可能啦因為一個人好好的,不然代表自己去請其實這個問題以目前的情況來講,發生的機會同人之間發生了這種所謂的懷疑,人好好的去請假本來就有他的管理可以去請\n317915\t332587\t我要跟你們講就是說你這個政府你既然要提出來以後你就是要去落實啦不是說日本的就好日本的就有啊這個態度我就覺得反而那個政府這樣的一個美意又要被打折扣了\n333387\t351277\t好不好 好那另外啊 本席要來請教的就是說我最近看到國民黨的朋友他們也一直在拋一個議題就是還我七天假這樣的一個議題出來我不曉得任總你的態度是怎麼樣國民黨現在提案說要恢復過去刪除了七天的國慶假日\n352861\t368175\t我們比較擔心的就是說 這樣的一個議題其實都可以討論啦也沒有哪一個政黨說提出來以後他一定就會賺到一個放假的一個紅利 未必這個未必都會有政治上的紅利 為什麼會衝擊到民間 衝擊到企業你像譬如說這個假裝都回來了 對民眾來講的話\n374801\t380183\t我譬如說你應用在你政府的一個運作那你像譬如說副政機關稅務單位或者說交通或者醫療這個對民眾產生的一個衝擊\n390226\t411300\t提案的人他未必會享受到紅利那一個案子這個如果說這個法假設通過了以後衝擊到的是民眾衝擊到了一般的民眾或者衝擊到企業的一個運作所以我不曉得你任總你真正對這項的修法裡面的態度到底是什麼\n412594\t427447\t基本上紀念日到節日實施辦法是內政部在主管的,在上面寫的嘛基本上那個上位的部分內政部他去定,我們要來修改\n429268\t454649\t白鴿我怎麼來擺這樣啦有一個上下游的關係啦也要有你的態度啊 都要有你的態度啊 我也算你連工都要下去這麼薄主管的但問題就是說這涉及到整個政府整體的一個運作的穩定性跟民眾接受到政府機關服務它的一個順暢而且也牽扯到整個民間企業的一個運作這個都會衝擊到啊你怎麼可以這樣說這是政府主管而已啊\n456050\t476160\t我覺得這個事情剛才委員提的這些民間業者的經營成本的問題還有一個就是小孩子的售價錢的問題那當然因為你放假要小孩尤其偏鄉那些小孩說這個啦他的教育資源本來就比較匱乏你再放假再放越多對他們來說相對不公平所以說你的態度我又聽不懂啦\n476440\t505518\t我 我的態度就是持保留啊 因為你就是保留嘛 就不是只有內政部而已嘛對不對 你就不是說這個就不是什麼內政部主管機關嘛就是說我人種 我對於這樣的一個修法你們就是保留嘛保留也是有道理啊不是沒有道理 這本來就可以討論啊open discussion不錯 來 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謝謝謝謝主席人事長我看今天有一個一則消息蓋洛普全世界的一個民調全世界最快樂的國家\n那有藥的也知道不丹喔?沒有啦,那不丹?不丹就台灣啦不丹就台灣啦我接了我們蠻幸福的啦幸福啦國家經濟一直在成長啦你這個人主觀想像我現在要跟你講的是說蓋洛普全世界的民調八年報在國家全世界最快樂的你有看嗎?\n芬蘭事實上那邊憂鬱症的人數也不少所以快樂的定義跟還有它產生的衝擊每個國家會不一樣那台灣咧?我們台灣像你這樣憂鬱到白天幾天台灣應該幾天因為我們這幾年經濟每年都好但是也有人說我們都過勞\n工人的壓力也很重啊 大家也想要幫忙啊如果要求整天都加 你就一粒頭兩粒大\n那大家也希望說大家都放假還有新選人唸啊所以我就說這個叫做主觀的想像嘛台灣在亞洲就排名第三全世界排名就27啦也就是說我們確實是有很多努力的一個空間啦那當然你說站在公務人員的立場來看的話你那個總緣額嘛你們想要說緣額不變總緣額不變\n又要嫁 又要結婚之後那其實啊 工作量啊會增加 不會減少嘛公共機關講究的就是一個叫做效率嘛講究的就是一個叫做責任嘛那會有衝突那今天本席就幾個問題要來請教啦那政府啊我看賴總統去年也提出了一個所謂的身心調適價這樣的一個概念啦那我不曉得\n那這個身心調試假 你說讓公務人員可以在整個心理壓力過大的時候來做一個請假也不需要整個病假的一個證明可是在基層公務人員普遍的一個反應 我的請試假問題就已經很困難了那何況這種新設立的一個價別\n譬如說以教育部來看的話去年8月他就能夠簽身心調試駕可是很多學生也反映我都遭受到刁難那公副機關到底會不會出現這樣的一個問題我不曉得任總這個地方你們對於這樣的一個身心調試駕這樣的一個概念這個價別你們的態度怎麼樣\n我委員報告三月十七號我們已經申請調適假簽了基本上當事人在申請三天調適假裡面就是在整個試駕七天裡面\n機關不能犯罪,而且他也不用檢護什麼證明就是確保當事人他要申請的,而且機關也不能對申請調適假的人做出就是有害的一些處分,你算苛責還是其他的都不行那時候要補充那所以說申請調適假以現在來看的話本來你說七天裡面,那年齡你還沒算出來啊?還沒算一天啊?\n三年裡面可以贏啊 因為暑假先贏贏的之後又不會嫁啊所以它真正的實意是什麼 第一個不列為考積它就不用證明嘛 也不影響它的考積嘛因為暑假一般你會穿很多暑假的 科學的應用我倒這樣看啦\n你說身心調適價 我們最怕的就是會被標籤化了會覺得你偷懶 怕會造成一個負面的影響那第二個 跑去放假了 那其他人來看的話 會不會有職務代理的問題你也必須要去考慮到這樣的一個問題啊\n基本上當事人是有需要才去申請,剛才委員提的是有可能啦因為一個人好好的,不然代表自己去請其實這個問題以目前的情況來講,發生的機會同人之間發生了這種所謂的懷疑,人好好的去請假本來就有他的管理可以去請\n我要跟你們講就是說你這個政府你既然要提出來以後你就是要去落實啦不是說日本的就好日本的就有啊這個態度我就覺得反而那個政府這樣的一個美意又要被打折扣了\n好不好 好那另外啊 本席要來請教的就是說我最近看到國民黨的朋友他們也一直在拋一個議題就是還我七天假這樣的一個議題出來我不曉得任總你的態度是怎麼樣國民黨現在提案說要恢復過去刪除了七天的國慶假日\n我們比較擔心的就是說 這樣的一個議題其實都可以討論啦也沒有哪一個政黨說提出來以後他一定就會賺到一個放假的一個紅利 未必這個未必都會有政治上的紅利 為什麼會衝擊到民間 衝擊到企業你像譬如說這個假裝都回來了 對民眾來講的話\n我譬如說你應用在你政府的一個運作那你像譬如說副政機關稅務單位或者說交通或者醫療這個對民眾產生的一個衝擊\n提案的人他未必會享受到紅利那一個案子這個如果說這個法假設通過了以後衝擊到的是民眾衝擊到了一般的民眾或者衝擊到企業的一個運作所以我不曉得你任總你真正對這項的修法裡面的態度到底是什麼\n基本上紀念日到節日實施辦法是內政部在主管的,在上面寫的嘛基本上那個上位的部分內政部他去定,我們要來修改\n白鴿我怎麼來擺這樣啦有一個上下游的關係啦也要有你的態度啊 都要有你的態度啊 我也算你連工都要下去這麼薄主管的但問題就是說這涉及到整個政府整體的一個運作的穩定性跟民眾接受到政府機關服務它的一個順暢而且也牽扯到整個民間企業的一個運作這個都會衝擊到啊你怎麼可以這樣說這是政府主管而已啊\n我覺得這個事情剛才委員提的這些民間業者的經營成本的問題還有一個就是小孩子的售價錢的問題那當然因為你放假要小孩尤其偏鄉那些小孩說這個啦他的教育資源本來就比較匱乏你再放假再放越多對他們來說相對不公平所以說你的態度我又聽不懂啦\n我 我的態度就是持保留啊 因為你就是保留嘛 就不是只有內政部而已嘛對不對 你就不是說這個就不是什麼內政部主管機關嘛就是說我人種 我對於這樣的一個修法你們就是保留嘛保留也是有道理啊不是沒有道理 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