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00:03:00,319\n有治案難行之處,我們已經經過行政院院會通過,懲請總統合格後提起復議那在復議裡面我們也寫得非常的清楚,第一個就是說對我知道,但是復議的結果復議的結果就是沒有通過,就是沒有通過復議就是維持原案但是我們認為接下來的問題就是說\n\n10\n00:03:06,943 --> 00:03:26,312\n首先以114年來計算的話初估計算的話中央的稅款要多支出3753億這是一個第二個新修的法案又說不可以減少一般性的補助款換言之中央的整個財政會割出去很大一塊\n\n11\n00:03:27,052 --> 00:03:38,780\n那這樣的在市權沒有調整的情況下中央的施政就會有很大的困難也就是說他很多沒有辦法推展那主計總署也提出來了扣除你114年的稅出來出估來算的話3兆1扣掉法律義務支出1兆8剩下1兆3而要割出3753億情況下\n\n12\n00:03:47,566 --> 00:04:06,676\n各個部位可能都要同產28%的影響所以這個部分是影響很大另外在水平分配給各地方政府的部分由於它分配的公式其實有很大的不清楚譬如說加起來不會等於百分之百的有些餘數就分配不出去那個序位分數法也沒有講每一個級距有多少\n\n13\n00:04:08,737 --> 00:04:26,201\n那在分配上就會產生困難這個是副議員沒有過以後依然要面對我也知道財政部目前會遇到這些困難所以你們也找了地方政府來開會但是呢第一個一般性的補助款債長說你就不能少但是計畫性的補助款勒\n\n14\n00:04:27,876 --> 00:04:41,662\n因為一般性補助款不能少那計劃性補助款就一定會受到排擠那譬如說像這個我們計劃性補助款譬如說我們有TPAS還有一些預約津貼還有一些租金補貼這些屬於計劃型的補助那會不會受到影響\n\n15\n00:04:42,562 --> 00:05:00,029\n這個部分根據組總的一個計算當然會受到一個譬如說不增加這個國防預算如果還非常重要增加的話可能會減少的幅度會更大如果國防預算不受影響那其他的會增加更大嗎就差了28%各個機關的\n\n16\n00:05:03,951 --> 00:05:32,793\n那個經費就會減少到28%好那所以接下來是不是會跟地方政府來談就是說計劃性的補助這部分權重要去做一些調整目前第一個就是計劃性補助款有些計劃的是地方要分擔的乘數跟中央分擔的乘數可能就要做調整對啊因為地方接下來就是財政上面會比較寬裕那過去我們補助比較多的部分那當然因為現在中央沒有這麼多錢了嘛\n\n17\n00:05:33,373 --> 00:06:02,894\n那是不是說在這個跟中央跟地方的這個比重上面會做個調整比如說以前是8比2那現在可能改成6比4或是5比5之類的會做這些調整是是就勢必的因為是就是這樣子的面對大家要點面對好那另外一題就是說那其實各地方政府的這個總預算在去年也都通過了那接下來如果這個總統公布了這個採訪法之後那地方政府怎麼去做相對的因應呢\n\n18\n00:06:05,553 --> 00:06:29,321\n這個財化法總統公告以後呢後續看行政院要採取合憲合法的程序如果合在救濟那要來做這個部分要來再做思考對啊那如果啦如果所有的救濟的方式都沒辦法完成的話那我的意思是說那現在地方政府他們預算都已經也完成了那如果接下來多了這麼多預算他們怎麼去做處理\n\n19\n00:06:30,321 --> 00:06:48,315\n這個部分在114年的部分應該就是沒有辦法就是不會去動不會去影響因為各個地方政府可以獲配的中央統籌分配稅款必須在前一年的時候大概八月底的時候財政部就要通知各地方政府\n\n20\n00:06:48,675 --> 00:06:53,661\n您在明年的時候可以獲配多少中央統籌分配稅款是多少金額它會納入它的是一個年度的一個稅客收入那這個部分因為114年可以分配的金額已經在去年都通知了所以114年度我們的總不會再去做這個投薪單分配\n\n21\n00:07:07,979 --> 00:07:25,860\n那因為這個卓院長在總席訓練的時候他有提到因為有委員問他說財化法附議案不通過那下一步是怎麼樣卓院長曾經有提到說判題新版本因為那時候你也在場那可不可以解釋一下卓院長這句話的意思是什麼意思\n\n22\n00:07:27,506 --> 00:07:40,195\n左院長當時有提就是說其實在去年的時候就院長有去左院長有去到立法院去做相關的溝通也希望說才化法的修正可以\n\n23\n00:07:40,868 --> 00:08:00,888\n在做一個比較詳盡的一個討論而在半年以後提出版本但是問題是12月20號還是通過了那個我不知道就是黨團那個國民黨團提的一個版本那接下來呢我們可能就要面對一個新的財化法的一個後續的作業要有什麼樣方式來處理對那所以\n\n24\n00:08:03,470 --> 00:08:28,756\n那其實在3月6號的時候我們財政部也邀集了專家學者以及各地方政府來召開所謂的諮詢會議諮詢會議裡面最主要是聽聽大家在爭取大家的意見看大家的一些看法那專家學者的意見以及各地方政府都有表達具體的意見以及我們其實在會上如同剛剛委員所說的我們也提出了相關的財政努力跟基本建設那所以就算是\n\n25\n00:08:30,376 --> 00:08:52,870\n他們也都有一些意見提出來,都會納入我們的一個參考所以說就算是這個副院部通過維持原決議那3月6號所討論的那一些指標還會繼續再跟我們地方政府再做溝通,再跟他們做確認那所弄出來的可能就會比較是接近朝野的共識就對了\n\n26\n00:08:54,170 --> 00:09:01,477\n我們會持續的跟各地方政府來做討論跟溝通,持續的,對對對好,那最後有點時間我再問一下現在這一個有關中國的這些啤酒傾銷到台灣然後也有這個協會他們提出了反傾銷稅的調查那我想請問一下,目前的進度怎麼樣?\n\n27\n00:09:19,414 --> 00:09:31,282\n有關啤酒跟鋼瓶的部分我們在3月11號已經公告了也就是說我們開了關稅稅率審議小組的會議然後啟動了調查也就是說經濟部去調查對於國內產業的初步調查有沒有損害以及財政部要後續調查有沒有\n\n28\n00:09:39,066 --> 00:09:52,334\n有沒有傾銷的一個事情然後再來決定要不要臨時課徵反傾銷稅然後再做一個最後的一個調查跟確定以後如果確實有傾銷事實而且損害到國內產業那就是課徵反傾銷稅這個目前都在積極的進行當中因為涉及到財政部跟經濟部嘛對不對那接下來是經濟部會去做這個調查\n\n29\n00:10:05,442 --> 00:10:29,291\n經濟部會去做調查我看這個時程預估大概4月20號經濟部會完成初步的調查那接下來就是財政部就經濟部的調查就是這個你們會做初步的認定那你們做初步的認定的話如果認為說的確它有涉及到這個請銷的話那你們是不是可以最快在什麼時候可以課徵反請銷稅看一下署長\n\n30\n00:10:34,787 --> 00:10:49,080\n報告委員,那依照時程的話最快應該是在六月底到七月初啦,最快最快嘛,最快就是說如果調查出來的確是有這個請銷的話所以最快在這一個六月底七月初就可以課徵反請銷稅了?臨時,課徵臨時反請銷稅那稅率咧?\n\n31\n00:10:56,452 --> 00:11:16,988\n要看那個傾銷差率去計算它可能都不一樣每個廠商可能都會不一樣我們要去算它個別的傾銷差率沒有配合調查的廠商就會有一個一致性的一個傾銷差率去適用OK好那麻煩注意一下這個時程了好謝謝主席謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n185\t16668\t李坤臣委員花言等大家都回座好了\n30135\t33487\t好 謝謝主席那我們請財政部莊部長莊部長\n40515\t67935\t委員好部長好 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依然要面對我也知道財政部目前會遇到這些困難所以你們也找了地方政府來開會但是呢第一個一般性的補助款債長說你就不能少但是計畫性的補助款勒\n267876\t281662\t因為一般性補助款不能少那計劃性補助款就一定會受到排擠那譬如說像這個我們計劃性補助款譬如說我們有TPAS還有一些預約津貼還有一些租金補貼這些屬於計劃型的補助那會不會受到影響\n282562\t300029\t這個部分根據組總的一個計算當然會受到一個譬如說不增加這個國防預算如果還非常重要增加的話可能會減少的幅度會更大如果國防預算不受影響那其他的會增加更大嗎就差了28%各個機關的\n303951\t332793\t那個經費就會減少到28%好那所以接下來是不是會跟地方政府來談就是說計劃性的補助這部分權重要去做一些調整目前第一個就是計劃性補助款有些計劃的是地方要分擔的乘數跟中央分擔的乘數可能就要做調整對啊因為地方接下來就是財政上面會比較寬裕那過去我們補助比較多的部分那當然因為現在中央沒有這麼多錢了嘛\n333373\t362894\t那是不是說在這個跟中央跟地方的這個比重上面會做個調整比如說以前是8比2那現在可能改成6比4或是5比5之類的會做這些調整是是就勢必的因為是就是這樣子的面對大家要點面對好那另外一題就是說那其實各地方政府的這個總預算在去年也都通過了那接下來如果這個總統公布了這個採訪法之後那地方政府怎麼去做相對的因應呢\n365553\t389321\t這個財化法總統公告以後呢後續看行政院要採取合憲合法的程序如果合在救濟那要來做這個部分要來再做思考對啊那如果啦如果所有的救濟的方式都沒辦法完成的話那我的意思是說那現在地方政府他們預算都已經也完成了那如果接下來多了這麼多預算他們怎麼去做處理\n390321\t408315\t這個部分在114年的部分應該就是沒有辦法就是不會去動不會去影響因為各個地方政府可以獲配的中央統籌分配稅款必須在前一年的時候大概八月底的時候財政部就要通知各地方政府\n408675\t413661\t您在明年的時候可以獲配多少中央統籌分配稅款是多少金額它會納入它的是一個年度的一個稅客收入那這個部分因為114年可以分配的金額已經在去年都通知了所以114年度我們的總不會再去做這個投薪單分配\n427979\t445860\t那因為這個卓院長在總席訓練的時候他有提到因為有委員問他說財化法附議案不通過那下一步是怎麼樣卓院長曾經有提到說判題新版本因為那時候你也在場那可不可以解釋一下卓院長這句話的意思是什麼意思\n447506\t460195\t左院長當時有提就是說其實在去年的時候就院長有去左院長有去到立法院去做相關的溝通也希望說才化法的修正可以\n460868\t480888\t在做一個比較詳盡的一個討論而在半年以後提出版本但是問題是12月20號還是通過了那個我不知道就是黨團那個國民黨團提的一個版本那接下來呢我們可能就要面對一個新的財化法的一個後續的作業要有什麼樣方式來處理對那所以\n483470\t508756\t那其實在3月6號的時候我們財政部也邀集了專家學者以及各地方政府來召開所謂的諮詢會議諮詢會議裡面最主要是聽聽大家在爭取大家的意見看大家的一些看法那專家學者的意見以及各地方政府都有表達具體的意見以及我們其實在會上如同剛剛委員所說的我們也提出了相關的財政努力跟基本建設那所以就算是\n510376\t532870\t他們也都有一些意見提出來,都會納入我們的一個參考所以說就算是這個副院部通過維持原決議那3月6號所討論的那一些指標還會繼續再跟我們地方政府再做溝通,再跟他們做確認那所弄出來的可能就會比較是接近朝野的共識就對了\n534170\t541477\t我們會持續的跟各地方政府來做討論跟溝通,持續的,對對對好,那最後有點時間我再問一下現在這一個有關中國的這些啤酒傾銷到台灣然後也有這個協會他們提出了反傾銷稅的調查那我想請問一下,目前的進度怎麼樣?\n559414\t571282\t有關啤酒跟鋼瓶的部分我們在3月11號已經公告了也就是說我們開了關稅稅率審議小組的會議然後啟動了調查也就是說經濟部去調查對於國內產業的初步調查有沒有損害以及財政部要後續調查有沒有\n579066\t592334\t有沒有傾銷的一個事情然後再來決定要不要臨時課徵反傾銷稅然後再做一個最後的一個調查跟確定以後如果確實有傾銷事實而且損害到國內產業那就是課徵反傾銷稅這個目前都在積極的進行當中因為涉及到財政部跟經濟部嘛對不對那接下來是經濟部會去做這個調查\n605442\t629291\t經濟部會去做調查我看這個時程預估大概4月20號經濟部會完成初步的調查那接下來就是財政部就經濟部的調查就是這個你們會做初步的認定那你們做初步的認定的話如果認為說的確它有涉及到這個請銷的話那你們是不是可以最快在什麼時候可以課徵反請銷稅看一下署長\n634787\t649080\t報告委員,那依照時程的話最快應該是在六月底到七月初啦,最快最快嘛,最快就是說如果調查出來的確是有這個請銷的話所以最快在這一個六月底七月初就可以課徵反請銷稅了?臨時,課徵臨時反請銷稅那稅率咧?\n656452\t676988\t要看那個傾銷差率去計算它可能都不一樣每個廠商可能都會不一樣我們要去算它個別的傾銷差率沒有配合調查的廠商就會有一個一致性的一個傾銷差率去適用OK好那麻煩注意一下這個時程了好謝謝主席謝謝部長\n","txt":"李坤臣委員花言等大家都回座好了\n好 謝謝主席那我們請財政部莊部長莊部長\n委員好部長好 辛苦了這個在3月6號的時候財政部有邀請這個學者專家還有地方政府來開會那在開會呢主要還是在討論這個財化法的這個統籌分配款的這個分配的公式還有它的權重那我看這個我們財政部跟主席處也有出來開記者會然後有三點的共識第一個就是說這個財權跟市權呢要做調整\n然後不過地方政府對於市權調整呢也還不確定因為這要看中央政府怎麼再去跟地方政府做協調這是第一點那第二點呢就是說這個在水平的分配的這部分呢\n包含這個財政的努力跟基本的建設大概分這兩類我看這個地方政府也沒有太大不同的意見當然這個細目比重要怎麼去做調整可能還要再討論但是大概就是分這兩類第一個就是財政努力的指標一個是基本建設的指標\n接下來就是說統籌分配款的方式當然大家覺得說是不是要給地方政府更多的財政的自主權當然財化法通過之後當然地方的財政自主權會相對來提升不過這是3月6號所召開的會議\n3月12號這個在野黨已經否決掉這一個財務法的復議案了那我想請問一下部長那接下來咧接下來要怎麼做\n跟委員報告這個財化法其實涉及到這個各級政府的財政資源的重新分配它是非常重要所以我們一直主張不應該倉促的修法而應該做充分的討論然後有最大的共識然後一起再來做推動那當然我們在這一次的去年的12月20號三讀通過的財化法\n有治案難行之處,我們已經經過行政院院會通過,懲請總統合格後提起復議那在復議裡面我們也寫得非常的清楚,第一個就是說對我知道,但是復議的結果復議的結果就是沒有通過,就是沒有通過復議就是維持原案但是我們認為接下來的問題就是說\n首先以114年來計算的話初估計算的話中央的稅款要多支出3753億這是一個第二個新修的法案又說不可以減少一般性的補助款換言之中央的整個財政會割出去很大一塊\n那這樣的在市權沒有調整的情況下中央的施政就會有很大的困難也就是說他很多沒有辦法推展那主計總署也提出來了扣除你114年的稅出來出估來算的話3兆1扣掉法律義務支出1兆8剩下1兆3而要割出3753億情況下\n各個部位可能都要同產28%的影響所以這個部分是影響很大另外在水平分配給各地方政府的部分由於它分配的公式其實有很大的不清楚譬如說加起來不會等於百分之百的有些餘數就分配不出去那個序位分數法也沒有講每一個級距有多少\n那在分配上就會產生困難這個是副議員沒有過以後 依然要面對我也知道財政部目前會遇到這些困難所以你們也找了地方政府來開會但是呢第一個一般性的補助款債長說你就不能少但是計畫性的補助款勒\n因為一般性補助款不能少那計劃性補助款就一定會受到排擠那譬如說像這個我們計劃性補助款譬如說我們有TPAS還有一些預約津貼還有一些租金補貼這些屬於計劃型的補助那會不會受到影響\n這個部分根據組總的一個計算當然會受到一個譬如說不增加這個國防預算如果還非常重要增加的話可能會減少的幅度會更大如果國防預算不受影響那其他的會增加更大嗎就差了28%各個機關的\n那個經費就會減少到28%好那所以接下來是不是會跟地方政府來談就是說計劃性的補助這部分權重要去做一些調整目前第一個就是計劃性補助款有些計劃的是地方要分擔的乘數跟中央分擔的乘數可能就要做調整對啊因為地方接下來就是財政上面會比較寬裕那過去我們補助比較多的部分那當然因為現在中央沒有這麼多錢了嘛\n那是不是說在這個跟中央跟地方的這個比重上面會做個調整比如說以前是8比2那現在可能改成6比4或是5比5之類的會做這些調整是是就勢必的因為是就是這樣子的面對大家要點面對好那另外一題就是說那其實各地方政府的這個總預算在去年也都通過了那接下來如果這個總統公布了這個採訪法之後那地方政府怎麼去做相對的因應呢\n這個財化法總統公告以後呢後續看行政院要採取合憲合法的程序如果合在救濟那要來做這個部分要來再做思考對啊那如果啦如果所有的救濟的方式都沒辦法完成的話那我的意思是說那現在地方政府他們預算都已經也完成了那如果接下來多了這麼多預算他們怎麼去做處理\n這個部分在114年的部分應該就是沒有辦法就是不會去動不會去影響因為各個地方政府可以獲配的中央統籌分配稅款必須在前一年的時候大概八月底的時候財政部就要通知各地方政府\n您在明年的時候可以獲配多少中央統籌分配稅款是多少金額它會納入它的是一個年度的一個稅客收入那這個部分因為114年可以分配的金額已經在去年都通知了所以114年度我們的總不會再去做這個投薪單分配\n那因為這個卓院長在總席訓練的時候他有提到因為有委員問他說財化法附議案不通過那下一步是怎麼樣卓院長曾經有提到說判題新版本因為那時候你也在場那可不可以解釋一下卓院長這句話的意思是什麼意思\n左院長當時有提就是說其實在去年的時候就院長有去左院長有去到立法院去做相關的溝通也希望說才化法的修正可以\n在做一個比較詳盡的一個討論而在半年以後提出版本但是問題是12月20號還是通過了那個我不知道就是黨團那個國民黨團提的一個版本那接下來呢我們可能就要面對一個新的財化法的一個後續的作業要有什麼樣方式來處理對那所以\n那其實在3月6號的時候我們財政部也邀集了專家學者以及各地方政府來召開所謂的諮詢會議諮詢會議裡面最主要是聽聽大家在爭取大家的意見看大家的一些看法那專家學者的意見以及各地方政府都有表達具體的意見以及我們其實在會上如同剛剛委員所說的我們也提出了相關的財政努力跟基本建設那所以就算是\n他們也都有一些意見提出來,都會納入我們的一個參考所以說就算是這個副院部通過維持原決議那3月6號所討論的那一些指標還會繼續再跟我們地方政府再做溝通,再跟他們做確認那所弄出來的可能就會比較是接近朝野的共識就對了\n我們會持續的跟各地方政府來做討論跟溝通,持續的,對對對好,那最後有點時間我再問一下現在這一個有關中國的這些啤酒傾銷到台灣然後也有這個協會他們提出了反傾銷稅的調查那我想請問一下,目前的進度怎麼樣?\n有關啤酒跟鋼瓶的部分我們在3月11號已經公告了也就是說我們開了關稅稅率審議小組的會議然後啟動了調查也就是說經濟部去調查對於國內產業的初步調查有沒有損害以及財政部要後續調查有沒有\n有沒有傾銷的一個事情然後再來決定要不要臨時課徵反傾銷稅然後再做一個最後的一個調查跟確定以後如果確實有傾銷事實而且損害到國內產業那就是課徵反傾銷稅這個目前都在積極的進行當中因為涉及到財政部跟經濟部嘛對不對那接下來是經濟部會去做這個調查\n經濟部會去做調查我看這個時程預估大概4月20號經濟部會完成初步的調查那接下來就是財政部就經濟部的調查就是這個你們會做初步的認定那你們做初步的認定的話如果認為說的確它有涉及到這個請銷的話那你們是不是可以最快在什麼時候可以課徵反請銷稅看一下署長\n報告委員,那依照時程的話最快應該是在六月底到七月初啦,最快最快嘛,最快就是說如果調查出來的確是有這個請銷的話所以最快在這一個六月底七月初就可以課徵反請銷稅了?臨時,課徵臨時反請銷稅那稅率咧?\n要看那個傾銷差率去計算它可能都不一樣每個廠商可能都會不一樣我們要去算它個別的傾銷差率沒有配合調查的廠商就會有一個一致性的一個傾銷差率去適用OK好那麻煩注意一下這個時程了好謝謝主席謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.185 --> 00:16.668\n李坤臣委員花言等大家都回座好了\n\n00:30.135 --> 00:33.487\n好謝謝主席那我們請財政部莊部長莊部長\n\n00:40.515 --> 01:07.935\n委員好部長好辛苦了這個在3月6號的時候財政部有邀請這個學者專家還有地方政府來開會那在開會呢主要還是在討論這個財化法的這個統籌分配款的這個分配的公式還有它的權重那我看這個我們財政部跟主席處也有出來開記者會然後有三點的共識第一個就是說這個財權跟市權呢要做調整\n\n01:09.036 --> 01:21.435\n然後不過地方政府對於市權調整呢也還不確定因為這要看中央政府怎麼再去跟地方政府做協調這是第一點那第二點呢就是說這個在水平的分配的這部分呢\n\n01:22.099 --> 01:44.093\n包含這個財政的努力跟基本的建設大概分這兩類我看這個地方政府也沒有太大不同的意見當然這個細目比重要怎麼去做調整可能還要再討論但是大概就是分這兩類第一個就是財政努力的指標一個是基本建設的指標\n\n01:46.014 --> 01:56.900\n接下來就是說統籌分配款的方式當然大家覺得說是不是要給地方政府更多的財政的自主權當然財化法通過之後當然地方的財政自主權會相對來提升不過這是3月6號所召開的會議\n\n02:09.026 --> 02:18.076\n3月12號這個在野黨已經否決掉這一個財務法的復議案了那我想請問一下部長那接下來咧接下來要怎麼做\n\n02:20.130 --> 02:41.126\n跟委員報告這個財化法其實涉及到這個各級政府的財政資源的重新分配它是非常重要所以我們一直主張不應該倉促的修法而應該做充分的討論然後有最大的共識然後一起再來做推動那當然我們在這一次的去年的12月20號三讀通過的財化法\n\n02:43.368 --> 03:00.319\n有治案難行之處,我們已經經過行政院院會通過,懲請總統合格後提起復議那在復議裡面我們也寫得非常的清楚,第一個就是說對我知道,但是復議的結果復議的結果就是沒有通過,就是沒有通過復議就是維持原案但是我們認為接下來的問題就是說\n\n03:06.943 --> 03:26.312\n首先以114年來計算的話初估計算的話中央的稅款要多支出3753億這是一個第二個新修的法案又說不可以減少一般性的補助款換言之中央的整個財政會割出去很大一塊\n\n03:27.052 --> 03:38.780\n那這樣的在市權沒有調整的情況下中央的施政就會有很大的困難也就是說他很多沒有辦法推展那主計總署也提出來了扣除你114年的稅出來出估來算的話3兆1扣掉法律義務支出1兆8剩下1兆3而要割出3753億情況下\n\n03:47.566 --> 04:06.676\n各個部位可能都要同產28%的影響所以這個部分是影響很大另外在水平分配給各地方政府的部分由於它分配的公式其實有很大的不清楚譬如說加起來不會等於百分之百的有些餘數就分配不出去那個序位分數法也沒有講每一個級距有多少\n\n04:08.737 --> 04:26.201\n那在分配上就會產生困難這個是副議員沒有過以後依然要面對我也知道財政部目前會遇到這些困難所以你們也找了地方政府來開會但是呢第一個一般性的補助款債長說你就不能少但是計畫性的補助款勒\n\n04:27.876 --> 04:41.662\n因為一般性補助款不能少那計劃性補助款就一定會受到排擠那譬如說像這個我們計劃性補助款譬如說我們有TPAS還有一些預約津貼還有一些租金補貼這些屬於計劃型的補助那會不會受到影響\n\n04:42.562 --> 05:00.029\n這個部分根據組總的一個計算當然會受到一個譬如說不增加這個國防預算如果還非常重要增加的話可能會減少的幅度會更大如果國防預算不受影響那其他的會增加更大嗎就差了28%各個機關的\n\n05:03.951 --> 05:32.793\n那個經費就會減少到28%好那所以接下來是不是會跟地方政府來談就是說計劃性的補助這部分權重要去做一些調整目前第一個就是計劃性補助款有些計劃的是地方要分擔的乘數跟中央分擔的乘數可能就要做調整對啊因為地方接下來就是財政上面會比較寬裕那過去我們補助比較多的部分那當然因為現在中央沒有這麼多錢了嘛\n\n05:33.373 --> 06:02.894\n那是不是說在這個跟中央跟地方的這個比重上面會做個調整比如說以前是8比2那現在可能改成6比4或是5比5之類的會做這些調整是是就勢必的因為是就是這樣子的面對大家要點面對好那另外一題就是說那其實各地方政府的這個總預算在去年也都通過了那接下來如果這個總統公布了這個採訪法之後那地方政府怎麼去做相對的因應呢\n\n06:05.553 --> 06:29.321\n這個財化法總統公告以後呢後續看行政院要採取合憲合法的程序如果合在救濟那要來做這個部分要來再做思考對啊那如果啦如果所有的救濟的方式都沒辦法完成的話那我的意思是說那現在地方政府他們預算都已經也完成了那如果接下來多了這麼多預算他們怎麼去做處理\n\n06:30.321 --> 06:48.315\n這個部分在114年的部分應該就是沒有辦法就是不會去動不會去影響因為各個地方政府可以獲配的中央統籌分配稅款必須在前一年的時候大概八月底的時候財政部就要通知各地方政府\n\n06:48.675 --> 06:53.661\n您在明年的時候可以獲配多少中央統籌分配稅款是多少金額它會納入它的是一個年度的一個稅客收入那這個部分因為114年可以分配的金額已經在去年都通知了所以114年度我們的總不會再去做這個投薪單分配\n\n07:07.979 --> 07:25.860\n那因為這個卓院長在總席訓練的時候他有提到因為有委員問他說財化法附議案不通過那下一步是怎麼樣卓院長曾經有提到說判題新版本因為那時候你也在場那可不可以解釋一下卓院長這句話的意思是什麼意思\n\n07:27.506 --> 07:40.195\n左院長當時有提就是說其實在去年的時候就院長有去左院長有去到立法院去做相關的溝通也希望說才化法的修正可以\n\n07:40.868 --> 08:00.888\n在做一個比較詳盡的一個討論而在半年以後提出版本但是問題是12月20號還是通過了那個我不知道就是黨團那個國民黨團提的一個版本那接下來呢我們可能就要面對一個新的財化法的一個後續的作業要有什麼樣方式來處理對那所以\n\n08:03.470 --> 08:28.756\n那其實在3月6號的時候我們財政部也邀集了專家學者以及各地方政府來召開所謂的諮詢會議諮詢會議裡面最主要是聽聽大家在爭取大家的意見看大家的一些看法那專家學者的意見以及各地方政府都有表達具體的意見以及我們其實在會上如同剛剛委員所說的我們也提出了相關的財政努力跟基本建設那所以就算是\n\n08:30.376 --> 08:52.870\n他們也都有一些意見提出來,都會納入我們的一個參考所以說就算是這個副院部通過維持原決議那3月6號所討論的那一些指標還會繼續再跟我們地方政府再做溝通,再跟他們做確認那所弄出來的可能就會比較是接近朝野的共識就對了\n\n08:54.170 --> 09:01.477\n我們會持續的跟各地方政府來做討論跟溝通,持續的,對對對好,那最後有點時間我再問一下現在這一個有關中國的這些啤酒傾銷到台灣然後也有這個協會他們提出了反傾銷稅的調查那我想請問一下,目前的進度怎麼樣?\n\n09:19.414 --> 09:31.282\n有關啤酒跟鋼瓶的部分我們在3月11號已經公告了也就是說我們開了關稅稅率審議小組的會議然後啟動了調查也就是說經濟部去調查對於國內產業的初步調查有沒有損害以及財政部要後續調查有沒有\n\n09:39.066 --> 09:52.334\n有沒有傾銷的一個事情然後再來決定要不要臨時課徵反傾銷稅然後再做一個最後的一個調查跟確定以後如果確實有傾銷事實而且損害到國內產業那就是課徵反傾銷稅這個目前都在積極的進行當中因為涉及到財政部跟經濟部嘛對不對那接下來是經濟部會去做這個調查\n\n10:05.442 --> 10:29.291\n經濟部會去做調查我看這個時程預估大概4月20號經濟部會完成初步的調查那接下來就是財政部就經濟部的調查就是這個你們會做初步的認定那你們做初步的認定的話如果認為說的確它有涉及到這個請銷的話那你們是不是可以最快在什麼時候可以課徵反請銷稅看一下署長\n\n10:34.787 --> 10:49.080\n報告委員,那依照時程的話最快應該是在六月底到七月初啦,最快最快嘛,最快就是說如果調查出來的確是有這個請銷的話所以最快在這一個六月底七月初就可以課徵反請銷稅了?臨時,課徵臨時反請銷稅那稅率咧?\n\n10:56.452 --> 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