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00:00:32,705\n主席在場的委員先進列席的政務機關長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們蘇惠仁市長請人事長委員早委員長早先輕鬆一下看一段影片我們來看一下來可以嗎怎麼抱歉這時間暫停一下剛剛不是要播影片嗎按左邊\n\n2\n00:00:40,273 --> 00:01:01,409\n这还没设定好抱歉这个还要设定一下值得看了回来就好那医院开给你的薪水是32K13个月三节奖金各500等一下怎么才32K当护理师薪水不是很高的吗我最近都在看新闻说年资不到一年的护理师平均薪资6到7万年资6至7年约74K才对耶\n\n3\n00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:26,883\n放心我們除了底薪外還有輪班津貼跟餐費津貼簽約獎金等上小業會有600大約900元確定錄取你後醫院會跟你簽合約OK好來那個人長這個影片你覺得目前我們台灣社會是不是對於醫療機構的醫護人員我們都認為要提升他們的待遇\n\n4\n00:01:28,161 --> 00:01:43,128\n大家普遍有這樣的一個期待那你知道我們公立醫療機構的護理人員的薪資是多少嗎他的薪資結構你們有做統計嗎因為我是指公立的喔衛福部上週公布各醫院護理人員的薪資人種有沒有類似的統計我我\n\n5\n00:01:47,641 --> 00:02:15,414\n大概四升級大概四萬多啦四一六八零我們要有一個奉典奉額還有專業家籍的一個累積有私籍跟市籍的嘛對私籍到六萬七左右私籍到六萬七喔對我們部立屏東醫院如果是護理是私籍的最基層的之前的有46K如果是市籍的有39K經常薪資是本薪加固定津貼非經常薪資是加班費加非固定獎金是不是這樣子\n\n6\n00:02:15,954 --> 00:02:42,826\n是好我補充一下師醫級的也算高九萬八千六六百六師醫級師那是最高啦醫師護理師都是師啦好那我們現在看來其實呢我遇到很多公立大型醫院的院長管理階層他們說現在大型醫院你也知道國人的就醫習慣很喜歡去大型醫院急診啊加護病房啊這醫護人力都過度勞動啊\n\n7\n00:02:43,866 --> 00:03:08,263\n負荷過高所以他說我們可不可以把業外收入拿來提獎金為什麼因為事業收入呢受到健保總額的限制他沒有辦法去調但是呢如果公立醫院大型機構他的業外收入像停車場啦美食街廣場啦他有這個空間他想要公立醫院可不可以從業外收入提撥獎勵金來給這些特別辛苦的醫護人員\n\n8\n00:03:11,384 --> 00:03:25,239\n我謝謝委員這個問題事實上這個問題之前我有跟主計長討論過我就拜託主計長他們可以去整體的衡量因為兩個角度啦一個就是說你要提供獎金是應該\n\n9\n00:03:26,801 --> 00:03:49,292\n跟醫療這些相關嘛另外一個就是以更大的範圍裡面在醫院的場域裡面提供相關服務的他也把他的營收列入整個鋪合對但是你有問過人事主計長我也問過主計長那主計長提醒一點不是每個醫院公立院都有這個條件大型機構人潮多錢潮多業外收入高\n\n10\n00:03:49,972 --> 00:04:15,960\n比較中小型的公立醫院就沒有這個辦法搞不好這樣子會造成人才往醫學中心集中他提出這個顧慮你是不是也覺得有這個可能有當然一定會有這個可能所以呢要從大型公立醫院才有的業外收入去提高他們的獎金話說回來會有一些可能的後遺症那這樣好不好那如果我們普遍的把公職護理師的專業家級提高來留才這進一步還可以帶動私立醫院的加薪你覺得可不可行可以嗎\n\n11\n00:04:21,039 --> 00:04:46,602\n我們這一次調薪會專業家計表24會調整會針對我們公立醫院的醫護人力是不是這樣對好你承諾了好我們等著看好那接下來另外我們來看到這是剛公佈的去年的金控全國的金控14家的平均薪資出爐了第一名是元大金那我們看到如果是泛公股的有兆豐有第一有和酷有華南四家入榜\n\n12\n00:04:47,242 --> 00:05:10,202\n你認為國營的金融機構要如何與飯工股和民營徵財我跟您提醒什麼叫國營的金融機構就是台灣銀行土地銀行跟輸出的銀行他們簡稱叫台土輸你覺得有沒有辦法來跟他們談這裡面都沒有台灣銀行沒有在入黨你覺得是不是要幫助這些國營金融機構他們的待遇提升來跟民間來爭取人才\n\n13\n00:05:12,328 --> 00:05:35,508\n基本上我是支持,不過它本身有一個遊戲規則好,我們來看一下這個遊戲規則其實很遺憾的,不曉得那個時空背景在第八屆第四會前,國民黨委員提出的提案限制了財政部所屬的事業機構,就是指國營金融機構它的最高績效獎金只能4.4個月你知道嗎,這個跟民間差很大,我們往下看\n\n14\n00:05:36,429 --> 00:05:51,075\n現在呢國營跟飯工股的呢伙食費人家的是三千他們是免稅的七百五再往下看那麼生育津貼呢哇人家都是什麼一胎十五萬十萬結果呢台土輸台灣金控土營輸營都\n\n15\n00:05:52,395 --> 00:06:14,315\n大概不到一萬塊以下我們來看一下喔往前跳一頁台灣銀行的資產規模是另外四家的最前面第一名結果這四家金控啊是范工股的金控呢他們的待遇有進入到前十四名台灣銀行輸TIAMTIAM啊更不要說土地銀行跟輸出銀行所以叫做台土輸啊輸TIAMTIAM\n\n16\n00:06:14,955 --> 00:06:37,337\n那您覺得要怎麼樣來改善呢?你是不是要改善?我跟委員報告大概兩個部分一個剛才提到的獎金4.4的部分的限制立法院那我們給他調啊你給他調,那點我認為立法院調就好第二點,生意補助的問題我們這個禮拜剛簽行政院就是每一胎你們都支持,都10萬塊\n\n17\n00:06:39,458 --> 00:06:45,860\n這個生意補助十萬從以前到現在我們對這個議題都非常支持我跟你講我剛剛去財政委員會我問財政部長他們有五大基地措施我問他那什麼時候可以實施他說要報院但是院裡面會先問人總的意見我說好我現在馬上問人總你支不支持財政部的這個方案五大方案\n\n18\n00:06:59,164 --> 00:07:07,287\n有大方案喔不是只有生育娜娘喔阿哥4.4調到4.6的那個是那個我們立法院來解決我想立法院會有人反對所以人總支持吧我有跟他交換條件啦其中有兩個是要組總掛定你的部分那三個你支持組總的另外兩個我會再問主席長好不好那你就支持了齁因為我跟他相書啊我說人事長一定會支持他說不曉得咧我說我來馬上問支持啦齁好謝謝\n\n19\n00:07:31,075 --> 00:07:38,705\n要講一下我們請評估提升公職醫護待遇以帶動私立醫院加薪的可行性你們來提出一個書面報告可不可以\n\n20\n00:07:40,653 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