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00:00:19,602\n好委員好這邊我想先跟您討論關於這次學測的這個成績我們學測成績剛公佈不久但是這個統計卻顯示說在英文的成績狀況已經連兩年底標都降為三級分後標也降為四級分那在五級分以下的學生佔比從23.14%提升到34.17%增加了百分之十\n\n3\n00:00:36,295 --> 00:00:58,937\n那有高中的英文老師有指出111年到114年的這個學測的英文成績比較友善那麼在題目變簡單的情況之下成績卻變得比較差可能就不是題目造成的結果社長這邊我想請教你教育部針對這次的成績英文的成績狀況你們有沒有掌握我們會不會針對英文成績持續探底的這個狀況來進行檢討\n\n4\n00:01:01,179 --> 00:01:21,863\n對委員的關心我們也非常關心教育部過去不管是透過高中優質化的補助方案或者是高職的優質化的補助方案其實對於城鄉的差距你提到的就是說英文的成績會有一些落差我們也都持續關心詳細的部分我們是不是請副市長來那請您簡短的\n\n5\n00:01:25,169 --> 00:01:29,974\n哪一位回答謝謝委員的關心剛剛所提每個學校可能有他原來的校本的經營但是國家的政策還是在有幾大政策上我們持續給予協助剛剛委員關心到那個成績有特別的情況我們會就跟高教師去釐清他那個背後真實的不管是學校區塊\n\n6\n00:01:51,374 --> 00:02:10,122\n我希望你們盡快的去了解英文是很重要的基礎科目在大學階段也有很多課程師會有閱讀原文書的需求所以我們在這個部分去了解為什麼是什麼原因是教學還是什麼原因造成會有這樣子的標準都下降的狀況\n\n7\n00:02:13,044 --> 00:02:17,449\n因為英文也是目前全球最通用的語言所以我希望說你們針對這個部分呢這個我們學生相關的英文的實力的這個提升的這個方案你們來研議一下那你再給我一份報告好\n\n8\n00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:56,616\n接下來我請到次長目前有報導說在桃園的某國中傳出在露營的活動中有使用中國軍服那本席這邊有跟國防部確認這個活動所使用的迷彩服確實不是我國軍所使用的這個我也認得因為我想要再當兵他每個禮拜會帶回來給我洗所以這不是我們自己國軍的這個試樣那這邊我將這個迷彩服有放大次長您看一下你覺得說這個很明確不是我們的那你可以看得出來這是中國軍方使用的迷彩嗎\n\n9\n00:02:58,355 --> 00:03:13,669\n這個媒體有報導說這是比較明顯是解放軍的啦但是業者有辯解啦但是我看這個看起來似乎是沒有錯其實對於一般的教師啊學生或是民眾可能沒有辦法及時的來辨認說阿彌陀佛的樣式是哪一個國家\n\n10\n00:03:16,511 --> 00:03:27,981\n所以對於負責辦理活動的廠商跟校方其實就應該更嚴格來把關那我想請教現在對於目前國中露營活動他們使用這些迷彩服我們有定相關的要求嗎還是規定嗎\n\n11\n00:03:28,866 --> 00:03:46,843\n這地方的權責我們沒有管到那麼細啦不過我想請那個署這邊其實這兩天也有發函地方也跟地方做了解來做一個回應所以說署這邊已經有跟就在那第一時間3月17號我們今天新聞喊請桃園市政府做確實的了解\n\n12\n00:03:48,024 --> 00:04:13,405\n但同時對地方政府怎麼繼續監督管理跟學校本位如何訂定相關的這個活動的設計跟活動實施過程的了解這一套我們都有跟各縣市來做溝通跟要求謝謝所以署這邊已經有去研議說如何防止學校再發生這樣的事件那我想請問一下那針對這個使用中國軍服的廠商我們有任何的問責的機制嗎\n\n13\n00:04:17,393 --> 00:04:32,753\n我們會請桃園市政府教育局來掌握本案後續的狀況事實上去負起督導學校的一個角色如果有違反相關的規定那麼也可以依照他們相關的法令\n\n14\n00:04:33,894 --> 00:04:54,847\n包括校長適不適任的問題那處理上有沒有行政上的一個問題來做一個問責好那也希望你們能夠掌握盡快的掌握相關那趕快去了解我們會把這個案件列為重點本期在這邊真的要強調其實中國現在正不斷的以各種方式來侵擾台灣甚至他們也不斷的就是放言說他們不放棄武力犯台\n\n15\n00:04:55,547 --> 00:05:20,773\n所以我們不能在學校的教育我們所舉辦的活動上這麼大意我們甚至這等於是在幫中國做這個認知作戰所以本席會希望說我們教育部盤盡快的對這個事情我們來了解你們要提出一份檢討報告給我因為這不是小事這不是小事中國一直對我們有存在敵意我們在教育上要非常的小心我們要有這樣的憂患意識那接下來呢我還要再問你一下\n\n16\n00:05:22,274 --> 00:05:40,289\n桃園某國小的校長在抖音上發布統戰圖文甚至還發表兩岸一家親的言論如果我們的校長他都是有這種觀念他要怎麼帶領一間學校來阻止中國統戰思維滲透甚至說這個校長他還是我們足球協會的理事\n\n17\n00:05:41,830 --> 00:06:09,485\n次長這樣子錯綜複雜的關係及人際網絡都是中國拿來滲透的管道所以本席希望說教育部可以審慎地面對就是全面來檢討相關的這些人員也要注意管束這些言論的適當性本席不希望說某些人士利用特定的這些體育團體來動作管道將運動及運動活動比賽染上這個統戰的色彩我希望教育部整個教育部還有包含體育署我們所有的\n\n18\n00:06:10,566 --> 00:06:25,761\n都要好好的來應對那次長您對這個您的看法跟您的現在可能要做的做法是這樣我想這個行為是非常不妥啦完全非常不妥那至於他的這個相關的選擇還是在台灣市政府那這個國家署這邊已經也跟他們聯繫\n\n19\n00:06:25,981 --> 00:06:45,181\n那再請你們持續追蹤好嗎我再次強調其實中國對台灣有存在的很巨大的敵意我們不能沒有優換意識這一點我希望說我們在整個教育體系我們一定有這樣子的概念好這現在進入我們今天主要我們那個學校飲食法的這個主題\n\n20\n00:06:46,002 --> 00:07:14,289\n我想請教說這次學校飲食法的增訂所有委員的版本都有明文規定要增設營養師及飲食秘書那教育部你們會朝這個方向研議嗎那如果以委員的版本你們有沒有預計要增設多少人力需要多少的預算對其實我們送院的布版裡面當然也有布版的一些綜合大家考慮提出來的一個版本那這個詳細的部分我們是不是請署長來回答好謝謝\n\n21\n00:07:15,911 --> 00:07:27,576\n剛剛委員催詢到營養師跟有關的五蜜營養師的部分如果按照目前我們的規劃是公辦公營的大概會增加263人將近要增加的經費是達到2億7800萬那如果是五蜜的部分現行五蜜有41%是老師監作\n\n22\n00:07:36,539 --> 00:07:50,478\n有59%是非老師處理那這整體有簡課的方式也有很多的其他的建議那這些建議如果加計起來可能會達到五億多五億的部分所以這個都在那個剛剛講增加的那個26億內\n\n23\n00:07:53,943 --> 00:08:17,099\n就是兩億再加五億如果以營養師跟飲食秘書來講的話那其實我們根據新修正的這個才化法中央各單位已經預計要撥出去的大概是將近百分之三十的預算到地方政府那我們教育部現在在教育的整個預算減少的情況下那你們有辦法負擔這些新增加的高額的預算嗎\n\n24\n00:08:18,239 --> 00:08:32,944\n對謝謝委員的關心如果按照專法草案各項的項目經費剛才除了營養師的部分可能需要兩億七千八百七十八萬之外像補助高級中等學校經濟弱勢學生午餐的所需經費還需要增加到四萬四億左右\n\n25\n00:08:33,504 --> 00:08:51,603\n那午餐秘書專職化所需的經費以這個組長值來預估可能要5億5千萬那學校廚房硬體及設備的器具經費的補助也會高達2億6那有關這個高級中等學校納入張Q補助那只是團散的那個部分也要1億7千6百萬\n\n26\n00:08:52,924 --> 00:09:08,867\n所以我說這個最起碼最少還會再增加26億7300萬以最少的版本來算至少要增加26億以上所以整個補助不包括餐費就營養午餐的部分就高達100億7384萬那針對這個專法教育部沒有辦法來負擔的情況之下你們有預計就是將這些增加的預算跟地方政府來協調到底地方應該要負責多少\n\n27\n00:09:17,969 --> 00:09:34,198\n財發法現在的狀況就是復議案沒有過那現在行政院還在做這個救濟那我們也希望比較確定之後那你們預計何時開始展開跟地方跟團體的這些對談跟溝通我們會盡快啦署長可能有你們規劃大概什麼時候開始\n\n28\n00:09:35,916 --> 00:09:52,211\n可能我們大概在可能有一些才化法的那個確認之後比較好來溝通才有一個標的跟未來做法的溝通方向也好或是各項目也好所以說要等才化法整個比較精確的離居之後\n\n29\n00:09:55,194 --> 00:10:14,292\n救濟成功沒有減少的話當然就會繼續加碼因為我很希望說你們盡快可以展開就是不管是跟教師啊家長啊跟學生團體跟地方政府溝通那你們才能夠把各方的意見都融合之後你們盡快提出你們的版本喔那因為你有溝通過了之後這推行才能夠順利\n\n30\n00:10:15,553 --> 00:10:43,477\n這個部分希望說你們可以盡快的來做這些相關的後續那我這邊也要強調一下我的版本裡面是透過學校提供的餐食讓孩子來認識食材也推廣健康的這個飲食的意識希望結合台灣在地的優質農產品以及特色飲食文化而且是強化跟在地食材跟人文歷史的連結所以這個部分也希望說教育部你們可以嚴嚴納入你們法案的方向讓我們的學校飲食法可以落實食農教育的精神\n\n31\n00:10:43,797 --> 00:10:45,748\n好謝謝瑋瑜的關心我們來努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n229\t1730\t陳秀寶委員繼續質詢謝謝主席 請張廖次長\n12636\t19602\t好委員好這邊我想先跟您討論關於這次學測的這個成績我們學測成績剛公佈不久但是這個統計卻顯示說在英文的成績狀況已經連兩年底標都降為三級分後標也降為四級分那在五級分以下的學生佔比從23.14%提升到34.17%增加了百分之十\n36295\t58937\t那有高中的英文老師有指出111年到114年的這個學測的英文成績比較友善那麼在題目變簡單的情況之下成績卻變得比較差可能就不是題目造成的結果社長這邊我想請教你教育部針對這次的成績英文的成績狀況你們有沒有掌握我們會不會針對英文成績持續探底的這個狀況來進行檢討\n61179\t81863\t對委員的關心我們也非常關心教育部過去不管是透過高中優質化的補助方案或者是高職的優質化的補助方案其實對於城鄉的差距你提到的就是說英文的成績會有一些落差我們也都持續關心詳細的部分我們是不是請副市長來那請您簡短的\n85169\t89974\t哪一位回答謝謝委員的關心剛剛所提每個學校可能有他原來的校本的經營但是國家的政策還是在有幾大政策上我們持續給予協助剛剛委員關心到那個成績有特別的情況我們會就跟高教師去釐清他那個背後真實的不管是學校區塊\n111374\t130122\t我希望你們盡快的去了解英文是很重要的基礎科目在大學階段也有很多課程師會有閱讀原文書的需求所以我們在這個部分去了解為什麼是什麼原因是教學還是什麼原因造成會有這樣子的標準都下降的狀況\n133044\t137449\t因為英文也是目前全球最通用的語言所以我希望說你們針對這個部分呢這個我們學生相關的英文的實力的這個提升的這個方案你們來研議一下那你再給我一份報告好\n147500\t176616\t接下來我請到次長目前有報導說在桃園的某國中傳出在露營的活動中有使用中國軍服那本席這邊有跟國防部確認這個活動所使用的迷彩服確實不是我國軍所使用的這個我也認得因為我想要再當兵他每個禮拜會帶回來給我洗所以這不是我們自己國軍的這個試樣那這邊我將這個迷彩服有放大次長您看一下你覺得說這個很明確不是我們的那你可以看得出來這是中國軍方使用的迷彩嗎\n178355\t193669\t這個媒體有報導說這是比較明顯是解放軍的啦但是業者有辯解啦但是我看這個看起來似乎是沒有錯其實對於一般的教師啊學生或是民眾可能沒有辦法及時的來辨認說阿彌陀佛的樣式是哪一個國家\n196511\t207981\t所以對於負責辦理活動的廠商跟校方其實就應該更嚴格來把關那我想請教現在對於目前國中露營活動他們使用這些迷彩服我們有定相關的要求嗎還是規定嗎\n208866\t226843\t這地方的權責我們沒有管到那麼細啦不過我想請那個署這邊其實這兩天也有發函地方也跟地方做了解來做一個回應所以說署這邊已經有跟就在那第一時間3月17號我們今天新聞喊請桃園市政府做確實的了解\n228024\t253405\t但同時對地方政府怎麼繼續監督管理跟學校本位如何訂定相關的這個活動的設計跟活動實施過程的了解這一套我們都有跟各縣市來做溝通跟要求謝謝所以署這邊已經有去研議說如何防止學校再發生這樣的事件那我想請問一下那針對這個使用中國軍服的廠商我們有任何的問責的機制嗎\n257393\t272753\t我們會請桃園市政府教育局來掌握本案後續的狀況事實上去負起督導學校的一個角色如果有違反相關的規定那麼也可以依照他們相關的法令\n273894\t294847\t包括校長適不適任的問題那處理上有沒有行政上的一個問題來做一個問責好那也希望你們能夠掌握盡快的掌握相關那趕快去了解我們會把這個案件列為重點本期在這邊真的要強調其實中國現在正不斷的以各種方式來侵擾台灣甚至他們也不斷的就是放言說他們不放棄武力犯台\n295547\t320773\t所以我們不能在學校的教育我們所舉辦的活動上這麼大意我們甚至這等於是在幫中國做這個認知作戰所以本席會希望說我們教育部盤盡快的對這個事情我們來了解你們要提出一份檢討報告給我因為這不是小事這不是小事中國一直對我們有存在敵意我們在教育上要非常的小心我們要有這樣的憂患意識那接下來呢我還要再問你一下\n322274\t340289\t桃園某國小的校長在抖音上發布統戰圖文甚至還發表兩岸一家親的言論如果我們的校長他都是有這種觀念他要怎麼帶領一間學校來阻止中國統戰思維滲透甚至說這個校長他還是我們足球協會的理事\n341830\t369485\t次長 這樣子錯綜複雜的關係及人際網絡都是中國拿來滲透的管道所以本席希望說教育部可以審慎地面對就是全面來檢討相關的這些人員也要注意管束這些言論的適當性本席不希望說某些人士利用特定的這些體育團體來動作管道將運動及運動活動比賽染上這個統戰的色彩我希望教育部 整個教育部還有包含體育署我們所有的\n370566\t385761\t都要好好的來應對那次長您對這個您的看法跟您的現在可能要做的做法是這樣我想這個行為是非常不妥啦完全非常不妥那至於他的這個相關的選擇還是在台灣市政府那這個國家署這邊已經也跟他們聯繫\n385981\t405181\t那再請你們持續追蹤好嗎我再次強調其實中國對台灣有存在的很巨大的敵意我們不能沒有優換意識這一點我希望說我們在整個教育體系我們一定有這樣子的概念好這現在進入我們今天主要我們那個學校飲食法的這個主題\n406002\t434289\t我想請教說這次學校飲食法的增訂所有委員的版本都有明文規定要增設營養師及飲食秘書那教育部你們會朝這個方向研議嗎那如果以委員的版本你們有沒有預計要增設多少人力需要多少的預算對 其實我們送院的布版裡面當然也有布版的一些綜合大家考慮提出來的一個版本那這個詳細的部分我們是不是請署長來回答好 謝謝\n435911\t447576\t剛剛委員催詢到營養師跟有關的五蜜營養師的部分如果按照目前我們的規劃是公辦公營的大概會增加263人將近要增加的經費是達到2億7800萬那如果是五蜜的部分現行五蜜有41%是老師監作\n456539\t470478\t有59%是非老師處理那這整體有簡課的方式也有很多的其他的建議那這些建議如果加計起來可能會達到五億多五億的部分所以這個都在那個剛剛講增加的那個26億內\n473943\t497099\t就是兩億再加五億如果以營養師跟飲食秘書來講的話那其實我們根據新修正的這個才化法中央各單位已經預計要撥出去的大概是將近百分之三十的預算到地方政府那我們教育部現在在教育的整個預算減少的情況下那你們有辦法負擔這些新增加的高額的預算嗎\n498239\t512944\t對 謝謝委員的關心如果按照專法草案各項的項目經費剛才除了營養師的部分可能需要兩億七千八百七十八萬之外像補助高級中等學校經濟弱勢學生午餐的所需經費還需要增加到四萬四億左右\n513504\t531603\t那午餐秘書專職化所需的經費以這個組長值來預估可能要5億5千萬那學校廚房硬體及設備的器具經費的補助也會高達2億6那有關這個高級中等學校納入張Q補助那只是團散的那個部分也要1億7千6百萬\n532924\t548867\t所以我說這個最起碼最少還會再增加26億7300萬以最少的版本來算至少要增加26億以上所以整個補助不包括餐費就營養午餐的部分就高達100億7384萬那針對這個專法教育部沒有辦法來負擔的情況之下你們有預計就是將這些增加的預算跟地方政府來協調到底地方應該要負責多少\n557969\t574198\t財發法現在的狀況就是復議案沒有過那現在行政院還在做這個救濟那我們也希望比較確定之後那你們預計何時開始展開跟地方跟團體的這些對談跟溝通我們會盡快啦 署長可能有你們規劃大概什麼時候開始\n575916\t592211\t可能我們大概在可能有一些才化法的那個確認之後比較好來溝通才有一個標的跟未來做法的溝通方向也好或是各項目也好所以說要等才化法整個比較精確的離居之後\n595194\t614292\t救濟成功沒有減少的話當然就會繼續加碼因為我很希望說你們盡快可以展開就是不管是跟教師啊家長啊跟學生團體跟地方政府溝通那你們才能夠把各方的意見都融合之後你們盡快提出你們的版本喔那因為你有溝通過了之後這推行才能夠順利\n615553\t643477\t這個部分希望說你們可以盡快的來做這些相關的後續那我這邊也要強調一下我的版本裡面是透過學校提供的餐食讓孩子來認識食材也推廣健康的這個飲食的意識希望結合台灣在地的優質農產品以及特色飲食文化而且是強化跟在地食材跟人文歷史的連結所以這個部分也希望說教育部你們可以嚴嚴納入你們法案的方向讓我們的學校飲食法可以落實食農教育的精神\n643797\t645748\t好 謝謝瑋瑜的關心我們來努力 謝謝\n","txt":"陳秀寶委員繼續質詢謝謝主席 請張廖次長\n好委員好這邊我想先跟您討論關於這次學測的這個成績我們學測成績剛公佈不久但是這個統計卻顯示說在英文的成績狀況已經連兩年底標都降為三級分後標也降為四級分那在五級分以下的學生佔比從23.14%提升到34.17%增加了百分之十\n那有高中的英文老師有指出111年到114年的這個學測的英文成績比較友善那麼在題目變簡單的情況之下成績卻變得比較差可能就不是題目造成的結果社長這邊我想請教你教育部針對這次的成績英文的成績狀況你們有沒有掌握我們會不會針對英文成績持續探底的這個狀況來進行檢討\n對委員的關心我們也非常關心教育部過去不管是透過高中優質化的補助方案或者是高職的優質化的補助方案其實對於城鄉的差距你提到的就是說英文的成績會有一些落差我們也都持續關心詳細的部分我們是不是請副市長來那請您簡短的\n哪一位回答謝謝委員的關心剛剛所提每個學校可能有他原來的校本的經營但是國家的政策還是在有幾大政策上我們持續給予協助剛剛委員關心到那個成績有特別的情況我們會就跟高教師去釐清他那個背後真實的不管是學校區塊\n我希望你們盡快的去了解英文是很重要的基礎科目在大學階段也有很多課程師會有閱讀原文書的需求所以我們在這個部分去了解為什麼是什麼原因是教學還是什麼原因造成會有這樣子的標準都下降的狀況\n因為英文也是目前全球最通用的語言所以我希望說你們針對這個部分呢這個我們學生相關的英文的實力的這個提升的這個方案你們來研議一下那你再給我一份報告好\n接下來我請到次長目前有報導說在桃園的某國中傳出在露營的活動中有使用中國軍服那本席這邊有跟國防部確認這個活動所使用的迷彩服確實不是我國軍所使用的這個我也認得因為我想要再當兵他每個禮拜會帶回來給我洗所以這不是我們自己國軍的這個試樣那這邊我將這個迷彩服有放大次長您看一下你覺得說這個很明確不是我們的那你可以看得出來這是中國軍方使用的迷彩嗎\n這個媒體有報導說這是比較明顯是解放軍的啦但是業者有辯解啦但是我看這個看起來似乎是沒有錯其實對於一般的教師啊學生或是民眾可能沒有辦法及時的來辨認說阿彌陀佛的樣式是哪一個國家\n所以對於負責辦理活動的廠商跟校方其實就應該更嚴格來把關那我想請教現在對於目前國中露營活動他們使用這些迷彩服我們有定相關的要求嗎還是規定嗎\n這地方的權責我們沒有管到那麼細啦不過我想請那個署這邊其實這兩天也有發函地方也跟地方做了解來做一個回應所以說署這邊已經有跟就在那第一時間3月17號我們今天新聞喊請桃園市政府做確實的了解\n但同時對地方政府怎麼繼續監督管理跟學校本位如何訂定相關的這個活動的設計跟活動實施過程的了解這一套我們都有跟各縣市來做溝通跟要求謝謝所以署這邊已經有去研議說如何防止學校再發生這樣的事件那我想請問一下那針對這個使用中國軍服的廠商我們有任何的問責的機制嗎\n我們會請桃園市政府教育局來掌握本案後續的狀況事實上去負起督導學校的一個角色如果有違反相關的規定那麼也可以依照他們相關的法令\n包括校長適不適任的問題那處理上有沒有行政上的一個問題來做一個問責好那也希望你們能夠掌握盡快的掌握相關那趕快去了解我們會把這個案件列為重點本期在這邊真的要強調其實中國現在正不斷的以各種方式來侵擾台灣甚至他們也不斷的就是放言說他們不放棄武力犯台\n所以我們不能在學校的教育我們所舉辦的活動上這麼大意我們甚至這等於是在幫中國做這個認知作戰所以本席會希望說我們教育部盤盡快的對這個事情我們來了解你們要提出一份檢討報告給我因為這不是小事這不是小事中國一直對我們有存在敵意我們在教育上要非常的小心我們要有這樣的憂患意識那接下來呢我還要再問你一下\n桃園某國小的校長在抖音上發布統戰圖文甚至還發表兩岸一家親的言論如果我們的校長他都是有這種觀念他要怎麼帶領一間學校來阻止中國統戰思維滲透甚至說這個校長他還是我們足球協會的理事\n次長 這樣子錯綜複雜的關係及人際網絡都是中國拿來滲透的管道所以本席希望說教育部可以審慎地面對就是全面來檢討相關的這些人員也要注意管束這些言論的適當性本席不希望說某些人士利用特定的這些體育團體來動作管道將運動及運動活動比賽染上這個統戰的色彩我希望教育部 整個教育部還有包含體育署我們所有的\n都要好好的來應對那次長您對這個您的看法跟您的現在可能要做的做法是這樣我想這個行為是非常不妥啦完全非常不妥那至於他的這個相關的選擇還是在台灣市政府那這個國家署這邊已經也跟他們聯繫\n那再請你們持續追蹤好嗎我再次強調其實中國對台灣有存在的很巨大的敵意我們不能沒有優換意識這一點我希望說我們在整個教育體系我們一定有這樣子的概念好這現在進入我們今天主要我們那個學校飲食法的這個主題\n我想請教說這次學校飲食法的增訂所有委員的版本都有明文規定要增設營養師及飲食秘書那教育部你們會朝這個方向研議嗎那如果以委員的版本你們有沒有預計要增設多少人力需要多少的預算對 其實我們送院的布版裡面當然也有布版的一些綜合大家考慮提出來的一個版本那這個詳細的部分我們是不是請署長來回答好 謝謝\n剛剛委員催詢到營養師跟有關的五蜜營養師的部分如果按照目前我們的規劃是公辦公營的大概會增加263人將近要增加的經費是達到2億7800萬那如果是五蜜的部分現行五蜜有41%是老師監作\n有59%是非老師處理那這整體有簡課的方式也有很多的其他的建議那這些建議如果加計起來可能會達到五億多五億的部分所以這個都在那個剛剛講增加的那個26億內\n就是兩億再加五億如果以營養師跟飲食秘書來講的話那其實我們根據新修正的這個才化法中央各單位已經預計要撥出去的大概是將近百分之三十的預算到地方政府那我們教育部現在在教育的整個預算減少的情況下那你們有辦法負擔這些新增加的高額的預算嗎\n對 謝謝委員的關心如果按照專法草案各項的項目經費剛才除了營養師的部分可能需要兩億七千八百七十八萬之外像補助高級中等學校經濟弱勢學生午餐的所需經費還需要增加到四萬四億左右\n那午餐秘書專職化所需的經費以這個組長值來預估可能要5億5千萬那學校廚房硬體及設備的器具經費的補助也會高達2億6那有關這個高級中等學校納入張Q補助那只是團散的那個部分也要1億7千6百萬\n所以我說這個最起碼最少還會再增加26億7300萬以最少的版本來算至少要增加26億以上所以整個補助不包括餐費就營養午餐的部分就高達100億7384萬那針對這個專法教育部沒有辦法來負擔的情況之下你們有預計就是將這些增加的預算跟地方政府來協調到底地方應該要負責多少\n財發法現在的狀況就是復議案沒有過那現在行政院還在做這個救濟那我們也希望比較確定之後那你們預計何時開始展開跟地方跟團體的這些對談跟溝通我們會盡快啦 署長可能有你們規劃大概什麼時候開始\n可能我們大概在可能有一些才化法的那個確認之後比較好來溝通才有一個標的跟未來做法的溝通方向也好或是各項目也好所以說要等才化法整個比較精確的離居之後\n救濟成功沒有減少的話當然就會繼續加碼因為我很希望說你們盡快可以展開就是不管是跟教師啊家長啊跟學生團體跟地方政府溝通那你們才能夠把各方的意見都融合之後你們盡快提出你們的版本喔那因為你有溝通過了之後這推行才能夠順利\n這個部分希望說你們可以盡快的來做這些相關的後續那我這邊也要強調一下我的版本裡面是透過學校提供的餐食讓孩子來認識食材也推廣健康的這個飲食的意識希望結合台灣在地的優質農產品以及特色飲食文化而且是強化跟在地食材跟人文歷史的連結所以這個部分也希望說教育部你們可以嚴嚴納入你們法案的方向讓我們的學校飲食法可以落實食農教育的精神\n好 謝謝瑋瑜的關心我們來努力 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:01.730\n陳秀寶委員繼續質詢謝謝主席請張廖次長\n\n00:12.636 --> 00:19.602\n好委員好這邊我想先跟您討論關於這次學測的這個成績我們學測成績剛公佈不久但是這個統計卻顯示說在英文的成績狀況已經連兩年底標都降為三級分後標也降為四級分那在五級分以下的學生佔比從23.14%提升到34.17%增加了百分之十\n\n00:36.295 --> 00:58.937\n那有高中的英文老師有指出111年到114年的這個學測的英文成績比較友善那麼在題目變簡單的情況之下成績卻變得比較差可能就不是題目造成的結果社長這邊我想請教你教育部針對這次的成績英文的成績狀況你們有沒有掌握我們會不會針對英文成績持續探底的這個狀況來進行檢討\n\n01:01.179 --> 01:21.863\n對委員的關心我們也非常關心教育部過去不管是透過高中優質化的補助方案或者是高職的優質化的補助方案其實對於城鄉的差距你提到的就是說英文的成績會有一些落差我們也都持續關心詳細的部分我們是不是請副市長來那請您簡短的\n\n01:25.169 --> 01:29.974\n哪一位回答謝謝委員的關心剛剛所提每個學校可能有他原來的校本的經營但是國家的政策還是在有幾大政策上我們持續給予協助剛剛委員關心到那個成績有特別的情況我們會就跟高教師去釐清他那個背後真實的不管是學校區塊\n\n01:51.374 --> 02:10.122\n我希望你們盡快的去了解英文是很重要的基礎科目在大學階段也有很多課程師會有閱讀原文書的需求所以我們在這個部分去了解為什麼是什麼原因是教學還是什麼原因造成會有這樣子的標準都下降的狀況\n\n02:13.044 --> 02:17.449\n因為英文也是目前全球最通用的語言所以我希望說你們針對這個部分呢這個我們學生相關的英文的實力的這個提升的這個方案你們來研議一下那你再給我一份報告好\n\n02:27.500 --> 02:56.616\n接下來我請到次長目前有報導說在桃園的某國中傳出在露營的活動中有使用中國軍服那本席這邊有跟國防部確認這個活動所使用的迷彩服確實不是我國軍所使用的這個我也認得因為我想要再當兵他每個禮拜會帶回來給我洗所以這不是我們自己國軍的這個試樣那這邊我將這個迷彩服有放大次長您看一下你覺得說這個很明確不是我們的那你可以看得出來這是中國軍方使用的迷彩嗎\n\n02:58.355 --> 03:13.669\n這個媒體有報導說這是比較明顯是解放軍的啦但是業者有辯解啦但是我看這個看起來似乎是沒有錯其實對於一般的教師啊學生或是民眾可能沒有辦法及時的來辨認說阿彌陀佛的樣式是哪一個國家\n\n03:16.511 --> 03:27.981\n所以對於負責辦理活動的廠商跟校方其實就應該更嚴格來把關那我想請教現在對於目前國中露營活動他們使用這些迷彩服我們有定相關的要求嗎還是規定嗎\n\n03:28.866 --> 03:46.843\n這地方的權責我們沒有管到那麼細啦不過我想請那個署這邊其實這兩天也有發函地方也跟地方做了解來做一個回應所以說署這邊已經有跟就在那第一時間3月17號我們今天新聞喊請桃園市政府做確實的了解\n\n03:48.024 --> 04:13.405\n但同時對地方政府怎麼繼續監督管理跟學校本位如何訂定相關的這個活動的設計跟活動實施過程的了解這一套我們都有跟各縣市來做溝通跟要求謝謝所以署這邊已經有去研議說如何防止學校再發生這樣的事件那我想請問一下那針對這個使用中國軍服的廠商我們有任何的問責的機制嗎\n\n04:17.393 --> 04:32.753\n我們會請桃園市政府教育局來掌握本案後續的狀況事實上去負起督導學校的一個角色如果有違反相關的規定那麼也可以依照他們相關的法令\n\n04:33.894 --> 04:54.847\n包括校長適不適任的問題那處理上有沒有行政上的一個問題來做一個問責好那也希望你們能夠掌握盡快的掌握相關那趕快去了解我們會把這個案件列為重點本期在這邊真的要強調其實中國現在正不斷的以各種方式來侵擾台灣甚至他們也不斷的就是放言說他們不放棄武力犯台\n\n04:55.547 --> 05:20.773\n所以我們不能在學校的教育我們所舉辦的活動上這麼大意我們甚至這等於是在幫中國做這個認知作戰所以本席會希望說我們教育部盤盡快的對這個事情我們來了解你們要提出一份檢討報告給我因為這不是小事這不是小事中國一直對我們有存在敵意我們在教育上要非常的小心我們要有這樣的憂患意識那接下來呢我還要再問你一下\n\n05:22.274 --> 05:40.289\n桃園某國小的校長在抖音上發布統戰圖文甚至還發表兩岸一家親的言論如果我們的校長他都是有這種觀念他要怎麼帶領一間學校來阻止中國統戰思維滲透甚至說這個校長他還是我們足球協會的理事\n\n05:41.830 --> 06:09.485\n次長這樣子錯綜複雜的關係及人際網絡都是中國拿來滲透的管道所以本席希望說教育部可以審慎地面對就是全面來檢討相關的這些人員也要注意管束這些言論的適當性本席不希望說某些人士利用特定的這些體育團體來動作管道將運動及運動活動比賽染上這個統戰的色彩我希望教育部整個教育部還有包含體育署我們所有的\n\n06:10.566 --> 06:25.761\n都要好好的來應對那次長您對這個您的看法跟您的現在可能要做的做法是這樣我想這個行為是非常不妥啦完全非常不妥那至於他的這個相關的選擇還是在台灣市政府那這個國家署這邊已經也跟他們聯繫\n\n06:25.981 --> 06:45.181\n那再請你們持續追蹤好嗎我再次強調其實中國對台灣有存在的很巨大的敵意我們不能沒有優換意識這一點我希望說我們在整個教育體系我們一定有這樣子的概念好這現在進入我們今天主要我們那個學校飲食法的這個主題\n\n06:46.002 --> 07:14.289\n我想請教說這次學校飲食法的增訂所有委員的版本都有明文規定要增設營養師及飲食秘書那教育部你們會朝這個方向研議嗎那如果以委員的版本你們有沒有預計要增設多少人力需要多少的預算對其實我們送院的布版裡面當然也有布版的一些綜合大家考慮提出來的一個版本那這個詳細的部分我們是不是請署長來回答好謝謝\n\n07:15.911 --> 07:27.576\n剛剛委員催詢到營養師跟有關的五蜜營養師的部分如果按照目前我們的規劃是公辦公營的大概會增加263人將近要增加的經費是達到2億7800萬那如果是五蜜的部分現行五蜜有41%是老師監作\n\n07:36.539 --> 07:50.478\n有59%是非老師處理那這整體有簡課的方式也有很多的其他的建議那這些建議如果加計起來可能會達到五億多五億的部分所以這個都在那個剛剛講增加的那個26億內\n\n07:53.943 --> 08:17.099\n就是兩億再加五億如果以營養師跟飲食秘書來講的話那其實我們根據新修正的這個才化法中央各單位已經預計要撥出去的大概是將近百分之三十的預算到地方政府那我們教育部現在在教育的整個預算減少的情況下那你們有辦法負擔這些新增加的高額的預算嗎\n\n08:18.239 --> 08:32.944\n對謝謝委員的關心如果按照專法草案各項的項目經費剛才除了營養師的部分可能需要兩億七千八百七十八萬之外像補助高級中等學校經濟弱勢學生午餐的所需經費還需要增加到四萬四億左右\n\n08:33.504 --> 08:51.603\n那午餐秘書專職化所需的經費以這個組長值來預估可能要5億5千萬那學校廚房硬體及設備的器具經費的補助也會高達2億6那有關這個高級中等學校納入張Q補助那只是團散的那個部分也要1億7千6百萬\n\n08:52.924 --> 09:08.867\n所以我說這個最起碼最少還會再增加26億7300萬以最少的版本來算至少要增加26億以上所以整個補助不包括餐費就營養午餐的部分就高達100億7384萬那針對這個專法教育部沒有辦法來負擔的情況之下你們有預計就是將這些增加的預算跟地方政府來協調到底地方應該要負責多少\n\n09:17.969 --> 09:34.198\n財發法現在的狀況就是復議案沒有過那現在行政院還在做這個救濟那我們也希望比較確定之後那你們預計何時開始展開跟地方跟團體的這些對談跟溝通我們會盡快啦署長可能有你們規劃大概什麼時候開始\n\n09:35.916 --> 09:52.211\n可能我們大概在可能有一些才化法的那個確認之後比較好來溝通才有一個標的跟未來做法的溝通方向也好或是各項目也好所以說要等才化法整個比較精確的離居之後\n\n09:55.194 --> 10:14.292\n救濟成功沒有減少的話當然就會繼續加碼因為我很希望說你們盡快可以展開就是不管是跟教師啊家長啊跟學生團體跟地方政府溝通那你們才能夠把各方的意見都融合之後你們盡快提出你們的版本喔那因為你有溝通過了之後這推行才能夠順利\n\n10:15.553 --> 10:43.477\n這個部分希望說你們可以盡快的來做這些相關的後續那我這邊也要強調一下我的版本裡面是透過學校提供的餐食讓孩子來認識食材也推廣健康的這個飲食的意識希望結合台灣在地的優質農產品以及特色飲食文化而且是強化跟在地食材跟人文歷史的連結所以這個部分也希望說教育部你們可以嚴嚴納入你們法案的方向讓我們的學校飲食法可以落實食農教育的精神\n\n10:43.797 --> 10:45.748\n好謝謝瑋瑜的關心我們來努力謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.229,"end":1.73,"text":"陳秀寶委員繼續質詢謝謝主席 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審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案（僅進行詢答）；二、審\n查「運動產業發展條例」：(一) 審查委員柯志恩等22人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十四條及\n第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(二) 審查委員張智倫等 18 人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(三) 審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「運動產業發展條例第\n二十四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(四) 審查委員王鴻薇等 19 人擬具「運動產業發展\n條例第二十四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(五) 審查委員林倩綺等22人擬具「運動產業\n發展條例第四條條文修正草案」案、(六) 審查委員沈發惠等19人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二\n條條文修正草案」案、(七) 審查委員許宇甄等17人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十四條及第二\n十六條條文修正草案」案、(八)審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二條、第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」、(九)審查委員楊瓊瓔等27人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1142901_00003"}}}