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00:02:28,864\n還有他的貨幣政策還有中國的經濟衰退還有地緣政治的一個風險這些因素都足以就是說在2025年其實是我們全球經濟的一個四大變數部長你對於這個四大變數這個四個變數裡頭它可能影響到物價跟社會那個一個穩定的部分現在財政部有沒有什麼樣規劃相對的因應的作為\n\n8\n00:02:33,062 --> 00:02:49,106\n跟委員報告您這邊列舉確實因為有相當多的一些不確定性存在不確定性存在那財政部來說第一個剛剛大家一直提到的就是說川普他會不會實施所謂的對等關稅然後對等關稅的細節內容是什麼然後對我們國內的產業會有哪一些產業會有影響以及影響的程度這個部分財政部和相關的部會一直都在持續的進行收集資料以及做盤點\n\n9\n00:03:01,469 --> 00:03:16,479\n同時行政院也有專案的工作小組在做各種模擬方案的應對那同時經濟部就我所指他也有跟相關的產業都去做一些座談了解他們的一些想法以及可能未來的困境所以我看你那個3月11號你有一則新聞稿就是我們內部的一個這個會議裡頭就是也是也做了很多因應的一個方法嘛所以說我們也希望就是說做好了萬全的一個準備那\n\n10\n00:03:31,229 --> 00:03:57,290\n當然這個下一個我想要再跟你討論一下就是居住的正義我們針對第八波不動產的信用的管制這個央行這對於就是不動產信用的管制他持續講得非常清楚他說會追蹤管制它的成效還有市場的一個變化那尤其會審慎就是銀行在每一季的黃帶的執行的情形跟改善的狀況\n\n11\n00:03:58,472 --> 00:04:04,933\n那言下之意就是說央行是不會再祭出第八波的信用管制了是不是\n\n12\n00:04:07,158 --> 00:04:32,235\n這個有關信用管制的部分應該下午的理事會也應該也會討論到這個因為每一次的一個不動產的信用管制要實施之前理事會都會討論那市場會不會再升息呢那這個部分有關市場是不是都會在下午的會議裡面做討論那會後呢央行的總裁也都會召開記者會對大家來做說明那你個人的態度呢你個人的看法呢\n\n13\n00:04:32,455 --> 00:04:53,479\n我想個人的態度其實是應該會在理事會裡面去做呈現然後大家一起討論所以不能提早講不適合不適合好那接著我想這個黃士景說其實我們看到了成效這確實也是一直在降溫那我們用去年的七月這個還有\n\n14\n00:04:54,319 --> 00:05:16,261\n兩萬多棟的一個交易到今年的一頁只剩下一萬多一萬多棟那顯然其實是我們有看到成效了可是看到這個成效我們要再繼續打黃打下去嗎這個打下去的時候對整個市場有多大的一個影響我們用這個15年前我們國人平均在\n\n15\n00:05:17,542 --> 00:05:38,922\n幾歲的時候我們通常是在30歲到35歲我們從年增中心拿到的這個資料就是說在15年前我們第一次買房子大概是年齡層落在30到3515年後我們其實是放在40到45部長你的第一棟房子幾歲買的\n\n16\n00:05:41,052 --> 00:05:58,623\n第一棟房子應該是三十幾歲吧三十四、三十五那非常合理嘛十五年前買的房子那問題就是說少子化還有年輕人買房子越來越不容易也越來越晚了那像這樣的一個情形的時候我們怎麼樣來看待這個新青安啊\n\n17\n00:06:01,324 --> 00:06:27,201\n這個近五年35歲以下的年輕的那個黃袋主的一個申請的狀況我們有看到非常的明確我們從中信環屋的一個資料裡頭黃價的一個飆升許多購物的民眾其實擔憂就是說我現在如果不買的話未來可能會更貴就是因為這樣的一個趨勢這樣的一個心理因素所以造成我們推了新清安出來所以在這近五年我們的首購主\n\n18\n00:06:30,182 --> 00:06:59,031\n這個一直持續在增加甚至在35歲裡頭的青年貸款增加了五成這個五成是一個非常可怕可怕的一個數字那當然我們也是非常高興說有這麼多年輕人願意來買房子可是他們買的房子就是背負了在這裡在這個身上所以我剛才一直在請教你說對於這個新青安有沒有什麼比較好的一個看法那到今年二月底\n\n19\n00:06:59,491 --> 00:07:04,394\n新青岸已經累計10萬戶以上了他金額達到8224億這個金額達到8224億我想這個部長你手上也有一些資料了那所以\n\n20\n00:07:16,441 --> 00:07:40,810\n這個我們一直在推推新清安它有很多讓人家詬病的就是說它一方面帶動了房貸的一個購物的需求可是它也把房價推高了那是不是我們可以有效的去阻止就是說它傳出它的轉租還有人頭戶的一個違規的情形你10萬多戶你才找到了1000多1000多的一個違規的情形啊\n\n21\n00:07:43,751 --> 00:07:59,341\n這個是不是就是說財政部的持續的一個加長查核的一個工作還有就是說不應該過度的去設限就是民眾申請新清安的貸款的一個水位因為你這個政策如果\n\n22\n00:07:59,781 --> 00:08:26,264\n如果就是說提前落日的話是不是央行跟你有財政部有想到什麼樣信用管制的一個措施可以相輔相成讓真正的有需要的年輕人他可以他可以就是買到房子而不是那麼大的一個負擔所以部長會後提供這些資料給我我相信你們一定有一套完整的一個設施就是說我們希望就是說\n\n23\n00:08:27,185 --> 00:08:42,908\n土銀跟台銀是乘坐最多這個親安業務的銀行這兩坡的查核我們其實才追回600多件的一個違規的一個貸款那第三坡的查核這個成效如何\n\n24\n00:08:44,110 --> 00:09:02,311\n這個我覺得我們也有看到一些成效啦那當然就是說這個超過一千件的那個舊的這個新清安違規的案件其實也被我們追回來了那我想這個查緝是有效的就是說利用人頭啦還是利用轉租出去\n\n25\n00:09:02,972 --> 00:09:22,612\n那治標跟治本我們怎麼來看它不可以否認就是說新青安政策的確幫助了很多年輕人購屋跟成家可是我們希望財政部持續加強這個查核的工作如果在明年專案結束以前你們不應該限縮民眾申請新青安的那個貸款的隨位這個\n\n26\n00:09:24,634 --> 00:09:45,433\n好像是如果你們把他緊縮了這形同就是政策是提前就是落日所以我想這個你要跟央行財政部我們密切的一個相輔相成我們認真的去執行新青安的一個政策的目標所以這個也是我想在這裡就是本席對那個財政部的一個要求\n\n27\n00:09:46,334 --> 00:10:00,824\n接著我想跟這個部長再討論一下這個中租低合加強租賃公司的年代金流的穿透式的一個管理那也請那個我們的那個第一金控第一金控也一起接受那個\n\n28\n00:10:02,225 --> 00:10:17,391\n被尋這個3月11號那個中租抵合中租抵合就是也跟那個申請那個年代案等於是向宣布再一次向義營等銀行銀行團年代的65億\n\n29\n00:10:21,635 --> 00:10:41,653\n這個65億部長還是回到你要怎麼還換這65億會不會透過就是中租體合會不會透過這些子公司的金流轉出來而流到皇室還是先買後戶先買後戶的這些地方你們有沒有一套完整的方式呢\n\n30\n00:10:43,291 --> 00:10:59,464\n先跟會員報告對於有關融資公司裡面的授信金管會已經設了四道防線第一個要追蹤資金的流向融資的用途作為不動產的必須要遵守央行的信用管制\n\n31\n00:10:59,744 --> 00:11:28,595\n另外一個納入銀行不動產的重量管制至於其他的融資授信部門要求融資公司要錢切節禁止再融資給建商那麼這個部分我們各個公股銀行都必須要遵循這個金管會的一些規範您有沒有穿透事業管理部長在上一個會期我有提到的就是用信託方式的一個方法去辦理住任公司授信案的可行性可是你這個報告交出來了沒有\n\n32\n00:11:29,395 --> 00:11:54,182\n用信託的方式誰可以回答我這個授信的方式還沒就我們的租賃公司我們用信託的方式辦理租賃公司的一個授信案的可行性的一個評估那我想委員這樣的要求我們會再提好嗎好那就這樣那易營的那個就不用說明了這樣好易營要不要回答\n\n33\n00:11:56,454 --> 00:12:05,069\n報告委員我們這次主辦的這個連帶案主要是作為還過去的舊竊而且我們也它也有竊竊就是不可以用以BMP幾個連帶銀行\n\n34\n00:12:07,935 --> 00:12:35,411\n除了你是主辦銀行還有幾個年代銀行我們目前還在年代的一個審核之中那參代銀行目前的核准還沒有下來所以我想這個穿透式的管理還是要提醒你我想就是針對的就是適用的一個法規最主要他要這個當地跨境的一個法規還有銀行法還有洗錢防治法這個要特別注意如果人家真的就是一個正派經營的公司\n\n35\n00:12:35,911 --> 00:12:55,393\n我們也不要一直給他污名化那我們就讓他是在一個非常就是合格的方式來借貸這些錢可是問題就是說謊言這麼多的一個這個案例太多了所以我還是希望就是就是連帶的銀行要特別的小心一點好謝謝委員謝謝主席謝謝我們來會員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3572\t5501\t謝謝主席有請財政部部長我們請莊部長\n8434\t29834\t我延續羅明財委員的議題我們所有的公股銀行還是換公股銀行董事長代理總經理金融金控金控的董事長代理銀行的董事長剛才羅明財委員請教你\n33357\t51302\t會不會再拖過一年你說不會嘛那一個月也不太可能啦那是不是三個月有這個機會呢因為我覺得適材適用讓更多的機會來更好的人就是說更多人才來為國家服務其實這個是我們期待的三個月內呢\n52679\t73257\t跟委員報告認同委員的看法就是適材適所而且我們應該就是說對於台企銀董事長卸任以後他的應該會不久的將不久就會有新的不是啊你的不久的將來我們把它設定在三個月有沒有機會應該有\n75659\t79682\t應該有 好 謝謝那我們也希望就是在三個月內有更多的優秀的人才繼續投入為國家在金融這個系統裡頭為大家服務謝謝委員 謝謝部長我想今天央行在下午要\n95390\t122257\t召開禮監事會議你下午也會一起參加這個禮監事會議是的如果這個我們這邊的會議結束以後我應該就如果趕得上我就會去是好我想這個總裁在上一週他其實很明確的講到了就是分析到2025年全球的經濟的四大變數他講得非常清楚了他包括就是美國總統的一個執政還有各國央行他的升息跟降息\n122817\t148864\t還有他的貨幣政策還有中國的經濟衰退還有地緣政治的一個風險這些因素都足以就是說在2025年其實是我們全球經濟的一個四大變數部長你對於這個四大變數這個四個變數裡頭它可能影響到物價跟社會那個一個穩定的部分現在財政部有沒有什麼樣規劃相對的因應的作為\n153062\t169106\t跟委員報告您這邊列舉確實因為有相當多的一些不確定性存在不確定性存在那財政部來說第一個剛剛大家一直提到的就是說川普他會不會實施所謂的對等關稅然後對等關稅的細節內容是什麼然後對我們國內的產業會有哪一些產業會有影響以及影響的程度這個部分財政部和相關的部會一直都在持續的進行收集資料以及做盤點\n181469\t196479\t同時行政院也有專案的工作小組在做各種模擬方案的應對那同時經濟部就我所指他也有跟相關的產業都去做一些座談了解他們的一些想法以及可能未來的困境所以我看你那個3月11號你有一則新聞稿就是我們內部的一個這個會議裡頭就是也是也做了很多因應的一個方法嘛所以說我們也希望就是說做好了萬全的一個準備那\n211229\t237290\t當然這個下一個我想要再跟你討論一下就是居住的正義我們針對第八波不動產的信用的管制這個央行這對於就是不動產信用的管制他持續講得非常清楚他說會追蹤管制它的成效還有市場的一個變化那尤其會審慎就是銀行在每一季的黃帶的執行的情形跟改善的狀況\n238472\t244933\t那言下之意就是說央行是不會再祭出第八波的信用管制了是不是\n247158\t272235\t這個有關信用管制的部分應該下午的理事會也應該也會討論到這個因為每一次的一個不動產的信用管制要實施之前理事會都會討論那市場會不會再升息呢那這個部分有關市場是不是都會在下午的會議裡面做討論那會後呢央行的總裁也都會召開記者會對大家來做說明那你個人的態度呢你個人的看法呢\n272455\t293479\t我想個人的態度其實是應該會在理事會裡面去做呈現然後大家一起討論所以不能提早講不適合不適合好那接著我想這個黃士景說其實我們看到了成效這確實也是一直在降溫那我們用去年的七月這個還有\n294319\t316261\t兩萬多棟的一個交易到今年的一頁只剩下一萬多一萬多棟那顯然其實是我們有看到成效了可是看到這個成效我們要再繼續打黃打下去嗎這個打下去的時候對整個市場有多大的一個影響我們用這個15年前我們國人平均在\n317542\t338922\t幾歲的時候我們通常是在30歲到35歲我們從年增中心拿到的這個資料就是說在15年前我們第一次買房子大概是年齡層落在30到3515年後我們其實是放在40到45部長你的第一棟房子幾歲買的\n341052\t358623\t第一棟房子應該是三十幾歲吧 三十四、三十五那非常合理嘛 十五年前買的房子那問題就是說少子化還有年輕人買房子越來越不容易 也越來越晚了那像這樣的一個情形的時候我們怎麼樣來看待這個新青安啊\n361324\t387201\t這個近五年35歲以下的年輕的那個黃袋主的一個申請的狀況我們有看到非常的明確我們從中信環屋的一個資料裡頭黃價的一個飆升許多購物的民眾其實擔憂就是說我現在如果不買的話未來可能會更貴就是因為這樣的一個趨勢這樣的一個心理因素所以造成我們推了新清安出來所以在這近五年我們的首購主\n390182\t419031\t這個一直持續在增加甚至在35歲裡頭的青年貸款增加了五成這個五成是一個非常可怕可怕的一個數字那當然我們也是非常高興說有這麼多年輕人願意來買房子可是他們買的房子就是背負了在這裡在這個身上所以我剛才一直在請教你說對於這個新青安有沒有什麼比較好的一個看法那到今年二月底\n419491\t424394\t新青岸已經累計10萬戶以上了他金額達到8224億這個金額達到8224億我想這個部長你手上也有一些資料了那所以\n436441\t460810\t這個我們一直在推 推新清安它有很多讓人家詬病的就是說它一方面帶動了房貸的一個購物的需求可是它也把房價推高了那是不是我們可以有效的去阻止就是說它傳出它的轉租還有人頭戶的一個違規的情形你10萬多戶你才找到了1000多1000多的一個違規的情形啊\n463751\t479341\t這個是不是就是說財政部的持續的一個加長查核的一個工作還有就是說不應該過度的去設限就是民眾申請新清安的貸款的一個水位因為你這個政策如果\n479781\t506264\t如果就是說提前落日的話是不是央行跟你有財政部有想到什麼樣信用管制的一個措施可以相輔相成讓真正的有需要的年輕人他可以他可以就是買到房子而不是那麼大的一個負擔所以部長會後提供這些資料給我我相信你們一定有一套完整的一個設施就是說我們希望就是說\n507185\t522908\t土銀跟台銀是乘坐最多這個親安業務的銀行這兩坡的查核我們其實才追回600多件的一個違規的一個貸款那第三坡的查核這個成效如何\n524110\t542311\t這個我覺得我們也有看到一些成效啦那當然就是說這個超過一千件的那個舊的這個新清安違規的案件其實也被我們追回來了那我想這個查緝是有效的就是說利用人頭啦還是利用轉租出去\n542972\t562612\t那治標跟治本我們怎麼來看它不可以否認就是說新青安政策的確幫助了很多年輕人購屋跟成家可是我們希望財政部持續加強這個查核的工作如果在明年專案結束以前你們不應該限縮民眾申請新青安的那個貸款的隨位這個\n564634\t585433\t好像是如果你們把他緊縮了這形同就是政策是提前就是落日所以我想這個你要跟央行財政部我們密切的一個相輔相成我們認真的去執行新青安的一個政策的目標所以這個也是我想在這裡就是本席對那個財政部的一個要求\n586334\t600824\t接著我想跟這個部長再討論一下這個中租低合加強租賃公司的年代金流的穿透式的一個管理那也請那個我們的那個第一金控第一金控也一起接受那個\n602225\t617391\t被尋這個3月11號那個中租抵合中租抵合就是也跟那個申請那個年代案等於是向宣布再一次向義營等銀行銀行團年代的65億\n621635\t641653\t這個65億部長還是回到你要怎麼還換這65億會不會透過就是中租體合會不會透過這些子公司的金流轉出來而流到皇室還是先買後戶先買後戶的這些地方你們有沒有一套完整的方式呢\n643291\t659464\t先跟會員報告對於有關融資公司裡面的授信金管會已經設了四道防線第一個要追蹤資金的流向融資的用途作為不動產的必須要遵守央行的信用管制\n659744\t688595\t另外一個納入銀行不動產的重量管制至於其他的融資授信部門要求融資公司要錢切節禁止再融資給建商那麼這個部分我們各個公股銀行都必須要遵循這個金管會的一些規範您有沒有穿透事業管理部長在上一個會期我有提到的就是用信託方式的一個方法去辦理住任公司授信案的可行性可是你這個報告交出來了沒有\n689395\t714182\t用信託的方式誰可以回答我這個授信的方式還沒就我們的租賃公司我們用信託的方式辦理租賃公司的一個授信案的可行性的一個評估那我想委員這樣的要求我們會再提好嗎好那就這樣那易營的那個就不用說明了這樣好易營要不要回答\n716454\t725069\t報告委員 我們這次主辦的這個連帶案主要是作為還過去的舊竊而且我們也 它也有竊竊就是不可以用以BMP幾個連帶銀行\n727935\t755411\t除了你是主辦銀行還有幾個年代銀行我們目前還在年代的一個審核之中那參代銀行目前的核准還沒有下來所以我想這個穿透式的管理還是要提醒你我想就是針對的就是適用的一個法規最主要他要這個當地跨境的一個法規還有銀行法還有洗錢防治法這個要特別注意如果人家真的就是一個正派經營的公司\n755911\t775393\t我們也不要一直給他污名化那我們就讓他是在一個非常就是合格的方式來借貸這些錢可是問題就是說謊言這麼多的一個這個案例太多了所以我還是希望就是就是連帶的銀行要特別的小心一點好謝謝委員謝謝主席謝謝我們來會員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請財政部部長我們請莊部長\n我延續羅明財委員的議題我們所有的公股銀行還是換公股銀行董事長代理總經理金融金控金控的董事長代理銀行的董事長剛才羅明財委員請教你\n會不會再拖過一年你說不會嘛那一個月也不太可能啦那是不是三個月有這個機會呢因為我覺得適材適用讓更多的機會來更好的人就是說更多人才來為國家服務其實這個是我們期待的三個月內呢\n跟委員報告認同委員的看法就是適材適所而且我們應該就是說對於台企銀董事長卸任以後他的應該會不久的將不久就會有新的不是啊你的不久的將來我們把它設定在三個月有沒有機會應該有\n應該有 好 謝謝那我們也希望就是在三個月內有更多的優秀的人才繼續投入為國家在金融這個系統裡頭為大家服務謝謝委員 謝謝部長我想今天央行在下午要\n召開禮監事會議你下午也會一起參加這個禮監事會議是的如果這個我們這邊的會議結束以後我應該就如果趕得上我就會去是好我想這個總裁在上一週他其實很明確的講到了就是分析到2025年全球的經濟的四大變數他講得非常清楚了他包括就是美國總統的一個執政還有各國央行他的升息跟降息\n還有他的貨幣政策還有中國的經濟衰退還有地緣政治的一個風險這些因素都足以就是說在2025年其實是我們全球經濟的一個四大變數部長你對於這個四大變數這個四個變數裡頭它可能影響到物價跟社會那個一個穩定的部分現在財政部有沒有什麼樣規劃相對的因應的作為\n跟委員報告您這邊列舉確實因為有相當多的一些不確定性存在不確定性存在那財政部來說第一個剛剛大家一直提到的就是說川普他會不會實施所謂的對等關稅然後對等關稅的細節內容是什麼然後對我們國內的產業會有哪一些產業會有影響以及影響的程度這個部分財政部和相關的部會一直都在持續的進行收集資料以及做盤點\n同時行政院也有專案的工作小組在做各種模擬方案的應對那同時經濟部就我所指他也有跟相關的產業都去做一些座談了解他們的一些想法以及可能未來的困境所以我看你那個3月11號你有一則新聞稿就是我們內部的一個這個會議裡頭就是也是也做了很多因應的一個方法嘛所以說我們也希望就是說做好了萬全的一個準備那\n當然這個下一個我想要再跟你討論一下就是居住的正義我們針對第八波不動產的信用的管制這個央行這對於就是不動產信用的管制他持續講得非常清楚他說會追蹤管制它的成效還有市場的一個變化那尤其會審慎就是銀行在每一季的黃帶的執行的情形跟改善的狀況\n那言下之意就是說央行是不會再祭出第八波的信用管制了是不是\n這個有關信用管制的部分應該下午的理事會也應該也會討論到這個因為每一次的一個不動產的信用管制要實施之前理事會都會討論那市場會不會再升息呢那這個部分有關市場是不是都會在下午的會議裡面做討論那會後呢央行的總裁也都會召開記者會對大家來做說明那你個人的態度呢你個人的看法呢\n我想個人的態度其實是應該會在理事會裡面去做呈現然後大家一起討論所以不能提早講不適合不適合好那接著我想這個黃士景說其實我們看到了成效這確實也是一直在降溫那我們用去年的七月這個還有\n兩萬多棟的一個交易到今年的一頁只剩下一萬多一萬多棟那顯然其實是我們有看到成效了可是看到這個成效我們要再繼續打黃打下去嗎這個打下去的時候對整個市場有多大的一個影響我們用這個15年前我們國人平均在\n幾歲的時候我們通常是在30歲到35歲我們從年增中心拿到的這個資料就是說在15年前我們第一次買房子大概是年齡層落在30到3515年後我們其實是放在40到45部長你的第一棟房子幾歲買的\n第一棟房子應該是三十幾歲吧 三十四、三十五那非常合理嘛 十五年前買的房子那問題就是說少子化還有年輕人買房子越來越不容易 也越來越晚了那像這樣的一個情形的時候我們怎麼樣來看待這個新青安啊\n這個近五年35歲以下的年輕的那個黃袋主的一個申請的狀況我們有看到非常的明確我們從中信環屋的一個資料裡頭黃價的一個飆升許多購物的民眾其實擔憂就是說我現在如果不買的話未來可能會更貴就是因為這樣的一個趨勢這樣的一個心理因素所以造成我們推了新清安出來所以在這近五年我們的首購主\n這個一直持續在增加甚至在35歲裡頭的青年貸款增加了五成這個五成是一個非常可怕可怕的一個數字那當然我們也是非常高興說有這麼多年輕人願意來買房子可是他們買的房子就是背負了在這裡在這個身上所以我剛才一直在請教你說對於這個新青安有沒有什麼比較好的一個看法那到今年二月底\n新青岸已經累計10萬戶以上了他金額達到8224億這個金額達到8224億我想這個部長你手上也有一些資料了那所以\n這個我們一直在推 推新清安它有很多讓人家詬病的就是說它一方面帶動了房貸的一個購物的需求可是它也把房價推高了那是不是我們可以有效的去阻止就是說它傳出它的轉租還有人頭戶的一個違規的情形你10萬多戶你才找到了1000多1000多的一個違規的情形啊\n這個是不是就是說財政部的持續的一個加長查核的一個工作還有就是說不應該過度的去設限就是民眾申請新清安的貸款的一個水位因為你這個政策如果\n如果就是說提前落日的話是不是央行跟你有財政部有想到什麼樣信用管制的一個措施可以相輔相成讓真正的有需要的年輕人他可以他可以就是買到房子而不是那麼大的一個負擔所以部長會後提供這些資料給我我相信你們一定有一套完整的一個設施就是說我們希望就是說\n土銀跟台銀是乘坐最多這個親安業務的銀行這兩坡的查核我們其實才追回600多件的一個違規的一個貸款那第三坡的查核這個成效如何\n這個我覺得我們也有看到一些成效啦那當然就是說這個超過一千件的那個舊的這個新清安違規的案件其實也被我們追回來了那我想這個查緝是有效的就是說利用人頭啦還是利用轉租出去\n那治標跟治本我們怎麼來看它不可以否認就是說新青安政策的確幫助了很多年輕人購屋跟成家可是我們希望財政部持續加強這個查核的工作如果在明年專案結束以前你們不應該限縮民眾申請新青安的那個貸款的隨位這個\n好像是如果你們把他緊縮了這形同就是政策是提前就是落日所以我想這個你要跟央行財政部我們密切的一個相輔相成我們認真的去執行新青安的一個政策的目標所以這個也是我想在這裡就是本席對那個財政部的一個要求\n接著我想跟這個部長再討論一下這個中租低合加強租賃公司的年代金流的穿透式的一個管理那也請那個我們的那個第一金控第一金控也一起接受那個\n被尋這個3月11號那個中租抵合中租抵合就是也跟那個申請那個年代案等於是向宣布再一次向義營等銀行銀行團年代的65億\n這個65億部長還是回到你要怎麼還換這65億會不會透過就是中租體合會不會透過這些子公司的金流轉出來而流到皇室還是先買後戶先買後戶的這些地方你們有沒有一套完整的方式呢\n先跟會員報告對於有關融資公司裡面的授信金管會已經設了四道防線第一個要追蹤資金的流向融資的用途作為不動產的必須要遵守央行的信用管制\n另外一個納入銀行不動產的重量管制至於其他的融資授信部門要求融資公司要錢切節禁止再融資給建商那麼這個部分我們各個公股銀行都必須要遵循這個金管會的一些規範您有沒有穿透事業管理部長在上一個會期我有提到的就是用信託方式的一個方法去辦理住任公司授信案的可行性可是你這個報告交出來了沒有\n用信託的方式誰可以回答我這個授信的方式還沒就我們的租賃公司我們用信託的方式辦理租賃公司的一個授信案的可行性的一個評估那我想委員這樣的要求我們會再提好嗎好那就這樣那易營的那個就不用說明了這樣好易營要不要回答\n報告委員 我們這次主辦的這個連帶案主要是作為還過去的舊竊而且我們也 它也有竊竊就是不可以用以BMP幾個連帶銀行\n除了你是主辦銀行還有幾個年代銀行我們目前還在年代的一個審核之中那參代銀行目前的核准還沒有下來所以我想這個穿透式的管理還是要提醒你我想就是針對的就是適用的一個法規最主要他要這個當地跨境的一個法規還有銀行法還有洗錢防治法這個要特別注意如果人家真的就是一個正派經營的公司\n我們也不要一直給他污名化那我們就讓他是在一個非常就是合格的方式來借貸這些錢可是問題就是說謊言這麼多的一個這個案例太多了所以我還是希望就是就是連帶的銀行要特別的小心一點好謝謝委員謝謝主席謝謝我們來會員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.572 --> 00:05.501\n謝謝主席有請財政部部長我們請莊部長\n\n00:08.434 --> 00:29.834\n我延續羅明財委員的議題我們所有的公股銀行還是換公股銀行董事長代理總經理金融金控金控的董事長代理銀行的董事長剛才羅明財委員請教你\n\n00:33.357 --> 00:51.302\n會不會再拖過一年你說不會嘛那一個月也不太可能啦那是不是三個月有這個機會呢因為我覺得適材適用讓更多的機會來更好的人就是說更多人才來為國家服務其實這個是我們期待的三個月內呢\n\n00:52.679 --> 01:13.257\n跟委員報告認同委員的看法就是適材適所而且我們應該就是說對於台企銀董事長卸任以後他的應該會不久的將不久就會有新的不是啊你的不久的將來我們把它設定在三個月有沒有機會應該有\n\n01:15.659 --> 01:19.682\n應該有好謝謝那我們也希望就是在三個月內有更多的優秀的人才繼續投入為國家在金融這個系統裡頭為大家服務謝謝委員謝謝部長我想今天央行在下午要\n\n01:35.390 --> 02:02.257\n召開禮監事會議你下午也會一起參加這個禮監事會議是的如果這個我們這邊的會議結束以後我應該就如果趕得上我就會去是好我想這個總裁在上一週他其實很明確的講到了就是分析到2025年全球的經濟的四大變數他講得非常清楚了他包括就是美國總統的一個執政還有各國央行他的升息跟降息\n\n02:02.817 --> 02:28.864\n還有他的貨幣政策還有中國的經濟衰退還有地緣政治的一個風險這些因素都足以就是說在2025年其實是我們全球經濟的一個四大變數部長你對於這個四大變數這個四個變數裡頭它可能影響到物價跟社會那個一個穩定的部分現在財政部有沒有什麼樣規劃相對的因應的作為\n\n02:33.062 --> 02:49.106\n跟委員報告您這邊列舉確實因為有相當多的一些不確定性存在不確定性存在那財政部來說第一個剛剛大家一直提到的就是說川普他會不會實施所謂的對等關稅然後對等關稅的細節內容是什麼然後對我們國內的產業會有哪一些產業會有影響以及影響的程度這個部分財政部和相關的部會一直都在持續的進行收集資料以及做盤點\n\n03:01.469 --> 03:16.479\n同時行政院也有專案的工作小組在做各種模擬方案的應對那同時經濟部就我所指他也有跟相關的產業都去做一些座談了解他們的一些想法以及可能未來的困境所以我看你那個3月11號你有一則新聞稿就是我們內部的一個這個會議裡頭就是也是也做了很多因應的一個方法嘛所以說我們也希望就是說做好了萬全的一個準備那\n\n03:31.229 --> 03:57.290\n當然這個下一個我想要再跟你討論一下就是居住的正義我們針對第八波不動產的信用的管制這個央行這對於就是不動產信用的管制他持續講得非常清楚他說會追蹤管制它的成效還有市場的一個變化那尤其會審慎就是銀行在每一季的黃帶的執行的情形跟改善的狀況\n\n03:58.472 --> 04:04.933\n那言下之意就是說央行是不會再祭出第八波的信用管制了是不是\n\n04:07.158 --> 04:32.235\n這個有關信用管制的部分應該下午的理事會也應該也會討論到這個因為每一次的一個不動產的信用管制要實施之前理事會都會討論那市場會不會再升息呢那這個部分有關市場是不是都會在下午的會議裡面做討論那會後呢央行的總裁也都會召開記者會對大家來做說明那你個人的態度呢你個人的看法呢\n\n04:32.455 --> 04:53.479\n我想個人的態度其實是應該會在理事會裡面去做呈現然後大家一起討論所以不能提早講不適合不適合好那接著我想這個黃士景說其實我們看到了成效這確實也是一直在降溫那我們用去年的七月這個還有\n\n04:54.319 --> 05:16.261\n兩萬多棟的一個交易到今年的一頁只剩下一萬多一萬多棟那顯然其實是我們有看到成效了可是看到這個成效我們要再繼續打黃打下去嗎這個打下去的時候對整個市場有多大的一個影響我們用這個15年前我們國人平均在\n\n05:17.542 --> 05:38.922\n幾歲的時候我們通常是在30歲到35歲我們從年增中心拿到的這個資料就是說在15年前我們第一次買房子大概是年齡層落在30到3515年後我們其實是放在40到45部長你的第一棟房子幾歲買的\n\n05:41.052 --> 05:58.623\n第一棟房子應該是三十幾歲吧三十四、三十五那非常合理嘛十五年前買的房子那問題就是說少子化還有年輕人買房子越來越不容易也越來越晚了那像這樣的一個情形的時候我們怎麼樣來看待這個新青安啊\n\n06:01.324 --> 06:27.201\n這個近五年35歲以下的年輕的那個黃袋主的一個申請的狀況我們有看到非常的明確我們從中信環屋的一個資料裡頭黃價的一個飆升許多購物的民眾其實擔憂就是說我現在如果不買的話未來可能會更貴就是因為這樣的一個趨勢這樣的一個心理因素所以造成我們推了新清安出來所以在這近五年我們的首購主\n\n06:30.182 --> 06:59.031\n這個一直持續在增加甚至在35歲裡頭的青年貸款增加了五成這個五成是一個非常可怕可怕的一個數字那當然我們也是非常高興說有這麼多年輕人願意來買房子可是他們買的房子就是背負了在這裡在這個身上所以我剛才一直在請教你說對於這個新青安有沒有什麼比較好的一個看法那到今年二月底\n\n06:59.491 --> 07:04.394\n新青岸已經累計10萬戶以上了他金額達到8224億這個金額達到8224億我想這個部長你手上也有一些資料了那所以\n\n07:16.441 --> 07:40.810\n這個我們一直在推推新清安它有很多讓人家詬病的就是說它一方面帶動了房貸的一個購物的需求可是它也把房價推高了那是不是我們可以有效的去阻止就是說它傳出它的轉租還有人頭戶的一個違規的情形你10萬多戶你才找到了1000多1000多的一個違規的情形啊\n\n07:43.751 --> 07:59.341\n這個是不是就是說財政部的持續的一個加長查核的一個工作還有就是說不應該過度的去設限就是民眾申請新清安的貸款的一個水位因為你這個政策如果\n\n07:59.781 --> 08:26.264\n如果就是說提前落日的話是不是央行跟你有財政部有想到什麼樣信用管制的一個措施可以相輔相成讓真正的有需要的年輕人他可以他可以就是買到房子而不是那麼大的一個負擔所以部長會後提供這些資料給我我相信你們一定有一套完整的一個設施就是說我們希望就是說\n\n08:27.185 --> 08:42.908\n土銀跟台銀是乘坐最多這個親安業務的銀行這兩坡的查核我們其實才追回600多件的一個違規的一個貸款那第三坡的查核這個成效如何\n\n08:44.110 --> 09:02.311\n這個我覺得我們也有看到一些成效啦那當然就是說這個超過一千件的那個舊的這個新清安違規的案件其實也被我們追回來了那我想這個查緝是有效的就是說利用人頭啦還是利用轉租出去\n\n09:02.972 --> 09:22.612\n那治標跟治本我們怎麼來看它不可以否認就是說新青安政策的確幫助了很多年輕人購屋跟成家可是我們希望財政部持續加強這個查核的工作如果在明年專案結束以前你們不應該限縮民眾申請新青安的那個貸款的隨位這個\n\n09:24.634 --> 09:45.433\n好像是如果你們把他緊縮了這形同就是政策是提前就是落日所以我想這個你要跟央行財政部我們密切的一個相輔相成我們認真的去執行新青安的一個政策的目標所以這個也是我想在這裡就是本席對那個財政部的一個要求\n\n09:46.334 --> 10:00.824\n接著我想跟這個部長再討論一下這個中租低合加強租賃公司的年代金流的穿透式的一個管理那也請那個我們的那個第一金控第一金控也一起接受那個\n\n10:02.225 --> 10:17.391\n被尋這個3月11號那個中租抵合中租抵合就是也跟那個申請那個年代案等於是向宣布再一次向義營等銀行銀行團年代的65億\n\n10:21.635 --> 10:41.653\n這個65億部長還是回到你要怎麼還換這65億會不會透過就是中租體合會不會透過這些子公司的金流轉出來而流到皇室還是先買後戶先買後戶的這些地方你們有沒有一套完整的方式呢\n\n10:43.291 --> 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