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00:00:37,957\n就是預算不足很多民眾都在問我啊每個單位都說這個沒錢那個沒錢就是沒有聽到複稅署出來說沒有錢沒辦法課稅啊課稅是法律規定然後我們的複稅署的同仁都比較課苦耐勞就對了課勤課儉課勤課儉喔你們壓榨他們啊這樣會不會造成霸凌啊確實同仁就是變得有些辛苦啦\n\n3\n00:00:47,762 --> 00:01:09,381\n好辛苦你們了好我想請問財化法財化已經通過了而且經過這個覆議嘛對吧也經過我們在3月12號覆議那根據憲法增修條文的第三條第二項第二款的規定我們二分之一維持原決議你們就要接受行政院這邊行政院長要接受那接受以後我剛看到您在這個報告裡頭\n\n4\n00:01:10,262 --> 00:01:24,828\n第19頁有講到說你們接著會配合行政院做相關的政策會配合這個政策辦理那請問你這個相關的配套措施開始啟動了沒有\n\n5\n00:01:26,857 --> 00:01:35,521\n第一個財化法其實我們在復議裡面有提到許多自愛難行的部分那立法院已經復議通過了嘛復議就是沒有贊成復議嘛維持原案那這個部分呢我想後續會不會以什麼樣的合法合憲的程序在尋求救濟\n\n6\n00:01:50,649 --> 00:02:17,616\n那我們跟行政院都還在議論跟討論中那你們現在也應該開始要做相關的研議比如說比如說這個因為現在100現在11現在2025嘛2026的預算已經要開始在開始要3月份以後4月份就開始籌編了嘛相關的先期作業就要開始做了嘛那因應新的這個財化法的通過假設明年要開始實施的話即便你中間可能有一些救濟措施那你們也是必須要做準備吧\n\n7\n00:02:18,775 --> 00:02:43,502\n有沒有開始做相關的準備呢跟委員報告齊劃寶很重要一個就是說我們在做下一個年度的稅收的一個預估的時候就要計算出要給縣市政府多少錢當然要依照新通過的法令來依法行政那新分配的新的法律規定那接下來就是我怎麼分配給各地方政府我們那天在復議裡有說到就是說第一個先不要反復議說什麼\n\n8\n00:02:44,842 --> 00:03:12,351\n你現在新的就是原來的決議通過以後你沒有沒有開始再做按照新的採劃法的這個步驟往前走嗎那現在就是那個第一個他已經把那個分配辦法的授權的規定已經取消掉了所以財政部已經沒有辦法去訂水位的分配辦法沒有辦法訂分配辦法在我們回看到法案那就按照我們通過的這個採劃法按照營業稅百分之多少中央百分之多少地方什麼稅百分之多少按照這個來做這個統籌分貨款的分配嘛\n\n9\n00:03:12,751 --> 00:03:33,718\n是不是有這樣先把預算這樣開始框下來目前還沒有到算這個部分因為我們還沒有還在那個稅客收入的部分還沒有去做那幾月份可以開始做這樣的因為你們準備的地方也要準備您剛剛提到的是垂直分配就是這個稅的幾%對不對那可是在水平分配的部分我們那天提到第一個很多的公式不明確\n\n10\n00:03:34,838 --> 00:03:56,697\n好你有的分不出去那百分之九十幾的沒有分出去有的百分之幾沒分出去因為它的計算就是這樣子分母跟分子它沒有對應到以至於加起來不等於百分之百財政部一向在如果有時候對法令不明確的時候很多單位如果是政府或民間對政府法令可能有疑義的時候你們也會有一些含釋或解釋嘛你們總是要往前走來\n\n11\n00:03:57,358 --> 00:04:18,693\n沒關係這個先給你一個提醒因為現在是三月份那你們在這個過程在籌編明天的預算要開始蓋算的時候你就要開始要有一些準備嘛第二個所謂事權跟財權的這個調整嘛那哪一些事權財權的調整我當初在這邊擔任召委也講嘛那實際上行政也要趕快提出來比如說內政部可能覺得說哪些\n\n12\n00:04:19,614 --> 00:04:43,040\n哪些權利可能或者事項事項要交給地方辦理嘛應該也要再趕快提出來說在這個行政院院會裡頭提出來說那些相關事項要提出來如果要修法的我們大家也一起來協助嘛那其實你們應該跟地方趕快討論這個現在是計劃型補助款嘛因為我們依法我們這個新的條款通過一般性的補助款這個依法不得降低嘛這個很明確沒問題吧\n\n13\n00:04:44,800 --> 00:05:04,444\n這個通過這一條是明確的吧目前法律是這樣規定的對是明確的嘛當然依法我們當然都要依法然後明確嘛就計劃型補助款的這個調整方向我們看各部會的計劃型補助款一直增加但是我現在看到有的部會這個到時候主計來我也是會問有的部會已經開始在下公文給各個地方政府如果按照各地方的這個財力這個分級\n\n14\n00:05:07,085 --> 00:05:35,168\n收支這個分級的話應該比如說統籌跟自備款中央款跟自籌款如果講這三級是7比3舉例7比287比3舉例的話現在很多單位都在下公文說要求地方就要自籌50%這個問題現在事實上已經有在發生好像在計劃型補助款的部分這個可能你們也要注意一下這個相關的不會在這個部分是不是違法\n\n15\n00:05:35,788 --> 00:05:57,643\n因為它違法,但這不是你的問題,主計那邊我到時候會來請教他啦所以我也是建議你們既然這個服務域已經維持研究通過,趕快就往下要做準備還是要做準備當然你這個中間過程中,你的這個水平分配的部分如果各縣市政府有提出來,這個也是要盡快嘛我上次,組委長也跟我說,事實上也許還是有什麼\n\n16\n00:05:58,864 --> 00:06:12,637\n可以討論的嘛你們這個動作也要快啊我們從去年6月19、9月提出版本一直沒提出來現在又說可能有版本嘛那不管怎麼樣也是要趕快你們有一些對策要趕快出來大家好在立法院好好討論嘛這樣可以加快嗎\n\n17\n00:06:14,775 --> 00:06:42,899\n委員剛剛的許多的說法我們都了解比如說計劃型補助款要怎麼樣那個未來組總會會他會去算那另外就是財務法我們其實3月6號也已經開會了也提出了一些具體的那地方政府也有些意見以及專家學者意見我們都會這個納入以後一起來做參考考量這個要注意的因為時間一直在過去我想請教那個關務署關務署我們上回去進門考察的時候我們看到你們那個辦公廳是很老舊對吧那改善了沒有啊\n\n18\n00:06:43,599 --> 00:06:53,533\n在那麼危險的鋼筋裸露改善完成了嗎鋼筋裸露的部分金門港務處已經有派員要去施工了那前次我們金門縣港務處出的嗎\n\n19\n00:06:55,562 --> 00:07:24,682\n當然就金門縣補助關務署你們這個有錢單位不要每次都占地方的便宜好了反正是大家一起做事我們目前還沒有施工已經決定要幫你們做了就對了這個要叮囑請問這個房屋稅的問題這個新制的房屋稅2.07月1號實施去年實施今年5月1號開始要試用2.0它是規定自住住家用的就自住房屋要辦戶籍登記\n\n20\n00:07:25,602 --> 00:07:26,242\n有台灣人台灣島的\n\n21\n00:07:46,832 --> 00:08:13,257\n民眾他到金門去工作他原來在台灣有房子因為他到金門去工作他金門長期工作也是公務人員那他就長期必須在這邊買房子那桌休業還是要回到原來他台灣的家嘛原來的房子他戶口只能設在一個地方啊所以在這個情況下那他又是單身請問一下這種情形要怎麼彌補呢包括我們金門鄉親也有啊在金門有房子那在台灣也有原因是因為我們就是必須這樣跑我們在地就是\n\n22\n00:08:14,318 --> 00:08:39,796\n就是比較辛苦沒有辦法住在台北就在台北工作住在金門就在就是有時候就會有這樣的困難點反向的時候因為有些機票的這個優惠沒有戶籍在金門也沒有辦法取得所以這個東西這種反應很多在金門地區反應很多有沒有什麼辦法呢可不可以研究一下這部分是不是可以請署長說一下沒有預算也可以徵稅的付稅署\n\n23\n00:08:41,469 --> 00:09:01,486\n那是五個國稅局國稅局沒辦法徵稅國稅局跟委員報告就是房屋稅差別稅例2.0的新制啊它在有關自住的部分是參考地價稅因為地價稅本來的規定就是如果你要享受自用住宅的優惠稅率一定要適合戶籍\n\n24\n00:09:02,026 --> 00:09:18,928\n我知道我知道但是現在的確在實行上遇到了實務上因為我們當初做這個我們當時希望抑制這個炒房不要讓大家到處買房子房價亂漲一通但是事實上的確有人是住在不是說金門像連南部也會有這種情形對吧\n\n25\n00:09:19,909 --> 00:09:48,107\n那你難道要大家都妻離子善嗎戶口全家拆成三戶就對了以前金門就是為了這個很多妻離子善家破人不亡那個只是戶籍而已啦不是真的家破人亡是但是戶籍那以離島地區來講如果戶籍沒有在金門買機票就比較貴啊回家一趟五千塊委員這個就是大家要所以會有遇到這種情形我了解針對像我們這樣的離島地區有沒有什麼樣的方案可以來想辦法來讓這個情形\n\n26\n00:09:49,847 --> 00:09:57,593\n因為這個是全國通用的一個制度其實本島也會有類似這樣的狀況因為你規定社務級嘛所以是不是還有其他的方法除了社務級外有沒有其他的方法可以因為這已經是法治了\n\n27\n00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:27,638\n沒關係修法我們會來一起來努力嘛但是大家是不是研究一下有沒有什麼其他的方法因為這樣反應的聲音的確是挺多的我想在座說明也很多有啊南部人啊在台北來工作但是也是要回去啊來回也是要有啊重點是要抑制炒房嘛不要讓每個人有一個人擁有太多房子嘛\n\n28\n00:10:28,538 --> 00:10:54,459\n那如果說家裡都拆戶籍事實上也違反戶籍法你知道嗎因為你不是真正的戶口設在那個你設在那個你事實上沒有居住在那個地方也是一種虛偽的戶籍的遷徙耶那個戶籍法是要罰錢的啊划算啊所以你來想看看沒關係齁我們今天那個時間我們還會再見面想看看有沒有什麼方法這個部分想一下齁那下一題網路的下次再問謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n429\t19640\t這個我們這個總預算通過後我聽到各個部位都在靠參說這個沒有錢那個沒有錢預算被刪到這個沒辦法執行那個沒辦法補助之類的那很多民眾都在問我啦說這個怎麼從來沒有聽到負稅署國稅局出來喊一下說因為沒有錢所以沒有辦法向國人課稅啊\n22608\t37957\t就是預算不足很多民眾都在問我啊每個單位都說這個沒錢那個沒錢就是沒有聽到複稅署出來說沒有錢沒辦法課稅啊課稅是法律規定然後我們的複稅署的同仁都比較課苦耐勞就對了課勤課儉課勤課儉喔你們壓榨他們啊這樣會不會造成霸凌啊確實同仁就是變得有些辛苦啦\n47762\t69381\t好 辛苦你們了好 我想請問財化法財化已經通過了而且經過這個覆議嘛對吧 也經過我們在3月12號覆議那根據憲法增修條文的第三條第二項第二款的規定我們二分之一維持原決議你們就要接受行政院這邊行政院長要接受那接受以後我剛看到您在這個報告裡頭\n70262\t84828\t第19頁有講到說你們接著會配合行政院做相關的政策會配合這個政策辦理那請問你這個相關的配套措施開始啟動了沒有\n86857\t95521\t第一個財化法其實我們在復議裡面有提到許多自愛難行的部分那立法院已經復議通過了嘛復議就是沒有贊成復議嘛維持原案那這個部分呢我想後續會不會以什麼樣的合法合憲的程序在尋求救濟\n110649\t137616\t那我們跟行政院都還在議論跟討論中那你們現在也應該開始要做相關的研議比如說比如說這個因為現在100現在11現在2025嘛2026的預算已經要開始在開始要3月份以後4月份就開始籌編了嘛相關的先期作業就要開始做了嘛那因應新的這個財化法的通過假設明年要開始實施的話即便你中間可能有一些救濟措施那你們也是必須要做準備吧\n138775\t163502\t有沒有開始做相關的準備呢跟委員報告齊劃寶很重要一個就是說我們在做下一個年度的稅收的一個預估的時候就要計算出要給縣市政府多少錢當然要依照新通過的法令來依法行政那新分配的新的法律規定那接下來就是我怎麼分配給各地方政府我們那天在復議裡有說到就是說第一個先不要反復議說什麼\n164842\t192351\t你現在新的就是原來的決議通過以後你沒有沒有開始再做按照新的採劃法的這個步驟往前走嗎那現在就是那個第一個他已經把那個分配辦法的授權的規定已經取消掉了所以財政部已經沒有辦法去訂水位的分配辦法沒有辦法訂分配辦法在我們回看到法案那就按照我們通過的這個採劃法按照營業稅百分之多少中央百分之多少地方什麼稅百分之多少按照這個來做這個統籌分貨款的分配嘛\n192751\t213718\t是不是有這樣先把預算這樣開始框下來目前還沒有到算這個部分因為我們還沒有還在那個稅客收入的部分還沒有去做那幾月份可以開始做這樣的因為你們準備的地方也要準備您剛剛提到的是垂直分配就是這個稅的幾%對不對那可是在水平分配的部分我們那天提到第一個很多的公式不明確\n214838\t236697\t好 你有的分不出去那百分之九十幾的沒有分出去有的百分之幾沒分出去因為它的計算就是這樣子分母跟分子它沒有對應到以至於加起來不等於百分之百財政部一向在如果有時候對法令不明確的時候很多單位如果是政府或民間對政府法令可能有疑義的時候你們也會有一些含釋或解釋嘛你們總是要往前走來\n237358\t258693\t沒關係 這個先給你一個提醒 因為現在是三月份那你們在這個過程在籌編明天的預算要開始蓋算的時候你就要開始要有一些準備嘛 第二個所謂事權跟財權的這個調整嘛那哪一些事權財權的調整 我當初在這邊擔任召委也講嘛那實際上行政也要趕快提出來 比如說內政部可能覺得說哪些\n259614\t283040\t哪些權利可能或者事項事項要交給地方辦理嘛應該也要再趕快提出來說在這個行政院院會裡頭提出來說那些相關事項要提出來如果要修法的我們大家也一起來協助嘛那其實你們應該跟地方趕快討論這個現在是計劃型補助款嘛因為我們依法我們這個新的條款通過一般性的補助款這個依法不得降低嘛這個很明確沒問題吧\n284800\t304444\t這個通過這一條是明確的吧目前法律是這樣規定的對是明確的嘛當然依法我們當然都要依法然後明確嘛就計劃型補助款的這個調整方向我們看各部會的計劃型補助款一直增加但是我現在看到有的部會這個到時候主計來我也是會問有的部會已經開始在下公文給各個地方政府如果按照各地方的這個財力這個分級\n307085\t335168\t收支這個分級的話 應該比如說統籌跟自備款 中央款跟自籌款如果講這三級是7比3 舉例7比2 8 7比3 舉例的話現在很多單位都在下公文說要求地方就要自籌50%這個問題現在事實上已經有在發生好像在計劃型補助款的部分這個可能你們也要注意一下這個相關的不會在這個部分是不是違法\n335788\t357643\t因為它違法,但這不是你的問題,主計那邊我到時候會來請教他啦所以我也是建議你們既然這個服務域已經維持研究通過,趕快就往下要做準備還是要做準備當然你這個中間過程中,你的這個水平分配的部分如果各縣市政府有提出來,這個也是要盡快嘛我上次,組委長也跟我說,事實上也許還是有什麼\n358864\t372637\t可以討論的嘛你們這個動作也要快啊我們從去年6月19、9月提出版本一直沒提出來現在又說可能有版本嘛那不管怎麼樣也是要趕快你們有一些對策要趕快出來大家好在立法院好好討論嘛這樣可以加快嗎\n374775\t402899\t委員剛剛的許多的說法我們都了解比如說計劃型補助款要怎麼樣那個未來組總會會他會去算那另外就是財務法我們其實3月6號也已經開會了也提出了一些具體的那地方政府也有些意見以及專家學者意見我們都會這個納入以後一起來做參考考量這個要注意的因為時間一直在過去我想請教那個關務署關務署我們上回去進門考察的時候我們看到你們那個辦公廳是很老舊對吧那改善了沒有啊\n403599\t413533\t在那麼危險的鋼筋裸露 改善完成了嗎鋼筋裸露的部分 金門港務處已經有派員要去施工了那前次我們金門縣港務處出的嗎\n415562\t444682\t當然就金門縣補助關務署你們這個有錢單位不要每次都占地方的便宜好了反正是大家一起做事我們目前還沒有施工已經決定要幫你們做了就對了這個要叮囑請問這個房屋稅的問題這個新制的房屋稅2.07月1號實施去年實施今年5月1號開始要試用2.0它是規定自住住家用的就自住房屋要辦戶籍登記\n445602\t446242\t有台灣人台灣島的\n466832\t493257\t民眾他到金門去工作 他原來在台灣有房子因為他到金門去工作 他金門長期工作 也是公務人員那他就長期必須在這邊買房子那桌休業還是要回到原來他台灣的家嘛原來的房子 他戶口只能設在一個地方啊所以在這個情況下 那他又是單身請問一下這種情形要怎麼彌補呢包括我們金門鄉親也有啊 在金門有房子那在台灣也有 原因是因為我們就是必須這樣跑我們在地就是\n494318\t519796\t就是比較辛苦沒有辦法住在台北就在台北工作住在金門就在就是有時候就會有這樣的困難點反向的時候因為有些機票的這個優惠沒有戶籍在金門也沒有辦法取得所以這個東西這種反應很多在金門地區反應很多有沒有什麼辦法呢可不可以研究一下這部分是不是可以請署長說一下沒有預算也可以徵稅的付稅署\n521469\t541486\t那是五個國稅局國稅局沒辦法徵稅國稅局跟委員報告就是房屋稅差別稅例2.0的新制啊它在有關自住的部分是參考地價稅因為地價稅本來的規定就是如果你要享受自用住宅的優惠稅率一定要適合戶籍\n542026\t558928\t我知道我知道但是現在的確在實行上遇到了實務上因為我們當初做這個我們當時希望抑制這個炒房不要讓大家到處買房子房價亂漲一通但是事實上的確有人是住在不是說金門像連南部也會有這種情形對吧\n559909\t588107\t那你難道要大家都妻離子善嗎戶口全家拆成三戶就對了以前金門就是為了這個很多妻離子善家破人不亡那個只是戶籍而已啦不是真的家破人亡是但是戶籍那以離島地區來講如果戶籍沒有在金門買機票就比較貴啊回家一趟五千塊委員這個就是大家要所以會有遇到這種情形我了解針對像我們這樣的離島地區有沒有什麼樣的方案可以來想辦法來讓這個情形\n589847\t597593\t因為這個是全國通用的一個制度其實本島也會有類似這樣的狀況因為你規定社務級嘛所以是不是還有其他的方法除了社務級外有沒有其他的方法可以因為這已經是法治了\n608520\t627638\t沒關係修法我們會來一起來努力嘛但是大家是不是研究一下有沒有什麼其他的方法因為這樣反應的聲音的確是挺多的我想在座說明也很多有啊南部人啊在台北來工作但是也是要回去啊來回也是要有啊重點是要抑制炒房嘛不要讓每個人有一個人擁有太多房子嘛\n628538\t654459\t那如果說家裡都拆戶籍事實上也違反戶籍法你知道嗎因為你不是真正的戶口設在那個你設在那個你事實上沒有居住在那個地方也是一種虛偽的戶籍的遷徙耶那個戶籍法是要罰錢的啊划算啊所以你來想看看沒關係齁我們今天那個時間我們還會再見面想看看有沒有什麼方法這個部分想一下齁那下一題網路的下次再問謝謝\n","txt":"這個我們這個總預算通過後我聽到各個部位都在靠參說這個沒有錢那個沒有錢預算被刪到這個沒辦法執行那個沒辦法補助之類的那很多民眾都在問我啦說這個怎麼從來沒有聽到負稅署國稅局出來喊一下說因為沒有錢所以沒有辦法向國人課稅啊\n就是預算不足很多民眾都在問我啊每個單位都說這個沒錢那個沒錢就是沒有聽到複稅署出來說沒有錢沒辦法課稅啊課稅是法律規定然後我們的複稅署的同仁都比較課苦耐勞就對了課勤課儉課勤課儉喔你們壓榨他們啊這樣會不會造成霸凌啊確實同仁就是變得有些辛苦啦\n好 辛苦你們了好 我想請問財化法財化已經通過了而且經過這個覆議嘛對吧 也經過我們在3月12號覆議那根據憲法增修條文的第三條第二項第二款的規定我們二分之一維持原決議你們就要接受行政院這邊行政院長要接受那接受以後我剛看到您在這個報告裡頭\n第19頁有講到說你們接著會配合行政院做相關的政策會配合這個政策辦理那請問你這個相關的配套措施開始啟動了沒有\n第一個財化法其實我們在復議裡面有提到許多自愛難行的部分那立法院已經復議通過了嘛復議就是沒有贊成復議嘛維持原案那這個部分呢我想後續會不會以什麼樣的合法合憲的程序在尋求救濟\n那我們跟行政院都還在議論跟討論中那你們現在也應該開始要做相關的研議比如說比如說這個因為現在100現在11現在2025嘛2026的預算已經要開始在開始要3月份以後4月份就開始籌編了嘛相關的先期作業就要開始做了嘛那因應新的這個財化法的通過假設明年要開始實施的話即便你中間可能有一些救濟措施那你們也是必須要做準備吧\n有沒有開始做相關的準備呢跟委員報告齊劃寶很重要一個就是說我們在做下一個年度的稅收的一個預估的時候就要計算出要給縣市政府多少錢當然要依照新通過的法令來依法行政那新分配的新的法律規定那接下來就是我怎麼分配給各地方政府我們那天在復議裡有說到就是說第一個先不要反復議說什麼\n你現在新的就是原來的決議通過以後你沒有沒有開始再做按照新的採劃法的這個步驟往前走嗎那現在就是那個第一個他已經把那個分配辦法的授權的規定已經取消掉了所以財政部已經沒有辦法去訂水位的分配辦法沒有辦法訂分配辦法在我們回看到法案那就按照我們通過的這個採劃法按照營業稅百分之多少中央百分之多少地方什麼稅百分之多少按照這個來做這個統籌分貨款的分配嘛\n是不是有這樣先把預算這樣開始框下來目前還沒有到算這個部分因為我們還沒有還在那個稅客收入的部分還沒有去做那幾月份可以開始做這樣的因為你們準備的地方也要準備您剛剛提到的是垂直分配就是這個稅的幾%對不對那可是在水平分配的部分我們那天提到第一個很多的公式不明確\n好 你有的分不出去那百分之九十幾的沒有分出去有的百分之幾沒分出去因為它的計算就是這樣子分母跟分子它沒有對應到以至於加起來不等於百分之百財政部一向在如果有時候對法令不明確的時候很多單位如果是政府或民間對政府法令可能有疑義的時候你們也會有一些含釋或解釋嘛你們總是要往前走來\n沒關係 這個先給你一個提醒 因為現在是三月份那你們在這個過程在籌編明天的預算要開始蓋算的時候你就要開始要有一些準備嘛 第二個所謂事權跟財權的這個調整嘛那哪一些事權財權的調整 我當初在這邊擔任召委也講嘛那實際上行政也要趕快提出來 比如說內政部可能覺得說哪些\n哪些權利可能或者事項事項要交給地方辦理嘛應該也要再趕快提出來說在這個行政院院會裡頭提出來說那些相關事項要提出來如果要修法的我們大家也一起來協助嘛那其實你們應該跟地方趕快討論這個現在是計劃型補助款嘛因為我們依法我們這個新的條款通過一般性的補助款這個依法不得降低嘛這個很明確沒問題吧\n這個通過這一條是明確的吧目前法律是這樣規定的對是明確的嘛當然依法我們當然都要依法然後明確嘛就計劃型補助款的這個調整方向我們看各部會的計劃型補助款一直增加但是我現在看到有的部會這個到時候主計來我也是會問有的部會已經開始在下公文給各個地方政府如果按照各地方的這個財力這個分級\n收支這個分級的話 應該比如說統籌跟自備款 中央款跟自籌款如果講這三級是7比3 舉例7比2 8 7比3 舉例的話現在很多單位都在下公文說要求地方就要自籌50%這個問題現在事實上已經有在發生好像在計劃型補助款的部分這個可能你們也要注意一下這個相關的不會在這個部分是不是違法\n因為它違法,但這不是你的問題,主計那邊我到時候會來請教他啦所以我也是建議你們既然這個服務域已經維持研究通過,趕快就往下要做準備還是要做準備當然你這個中間過程中,你的這個水平分配的部分如果各縣市政府有提出來,這個也是要盡快嘛我上次,組委長也跟我說,事實上也許還是有什麼\n可以討論的嘛你們這個動作也要快啊我們從去年6月19、9月提出版本一直沒提出來現在又說可能有版本嘛那不管怎麼樣也是要趕快你們有一些對策要趕快出來大家好在立法院好好討論嘛這樣可以加快嗎\n委員剛剛的許多的說法我們都了解比如說計劃型補助款要怎麼樣那個未來組總會會他會去算那另外就是財務法我們其實3月6號也已經開會了也提出了一些具體的那地方政府也有些意見以及專家學者意見我們都會這個納入以後一起來做參考考量這個要注意的因為時間一直在過去我想請教那個關務署關務署我們上回去進門考察的時候我們看到你們那個辦公廳是很老舊對吧那改善了沒有啊\n在那麼危險的鋼筋裸露 改善完成了嗎鋼筋裸露的部分 金門港務處已經有派員要去施工了那前次我們金門縣港務處出的嗎\n當然就金門縣補助關務署你們這個有錢單位不要每次都占地方的便宜好了反正是大家一起做事我們目前還沒有施工已經決定要幫你們做了就對了這個要叮囑請問這個房屋稅的問題這個新制的房屋稅2.07月1號實施去年實施今年5月1號開始要試用2.0它是規定自住住家用的就自住房屋要辦戶籍登記\n有台灣人台灣島的\n民眾他到金門去工作 他原來在台灣有房子因為他到金門去工作 他金門長期工作 也是公務人員那他就長期必須在這邊買房子那桌休業還是要回到原來他台灣的家嘛原來的房子 他戶口只能設在一個地方啊所以在這個情況下 那他又是單身請問一下這種情形要怎麼彌補呢包括我們金門鄉親也有啊 在金門有房子那在台灣也有 原因是因為我們就是必須這樣跑我們在地就是\n就是比較辛苦沒有辦法住在台北就在台北工作住在金門就在就是有時候就會有這樣的困難點反向的時候因為有些機票的這個優惠沒有戶籍在金門也沒有辦法取得所以這個東西這種反應很多在金門地區反應很多有沒有什麼辦法呢可不可以研究一下這部分是不是可以請署長說一下沒有預算也可以徵稅的付稅署\n那是五個國稅局國稅局沒辦法徵稅國稅局跟委員報告就是房屋稅差別稅例2.0的新制啊它在有關自住的部分是參考地價稅因為地價稅本來的規定就是如果你要享受自用住宅的優惠稅率一定要適合戶籍\n我知道我知道但是現在的確在實行上遇到了實務上因為我們當初做這個我們當時希望抑制這個炒房不要讓大家到處買房子房價亂漲一通但是事實上的確有人是住在不是說金門像連南部也會有這種情形對吧\n那你難道要大家都妻離子善嗎戶口全家拆成三戶就對了以前金門就是為了這個很多妻離子善家破人不亡那個只是戶籍而已啦不是真的家破人亡是但是戶籍那以離島地區來講如果戶籍沒有在金門買機票就比較貴啊回家一趟五千塊委員這個就是大家要所以會有遇到這種情形我了解針對像我們這樣的離島地區有沒有什麼樣的方案可以來想辦法來讓這個情形\n因為這個是全國通用的一個制度其實本島也會有類似這樣的狀況因為你規定社務級嘛所以是不是還有其他的方法除了社務級外有沒有其他的方法可以因為這已經是法治了\n沒關係修法我們會來一起來努力嘛但是大家是不是研究一下有沒有什麼其他的方法因為這樣反應的聲音的確是挺多的我想在座說明也很多有啊南部人啊在台北來工作但是也是要回去啊來回也是要有啊重點是要抑制炒房嘛不要讓每個人有一個人擁有太多房子嘛\n那如果說家裡都拆戶籍事實上也違反戶籍法你知道嗎因為你不是真正的戶口設在那個你設在那個你事實上沒有居住在那個地方也是一種虛偽的戶籍的遷徙耶那個戶籍法是要罰錢的啊划算啊所以你來想看看沒關係齁我們今天那個時間我們還會再見面想看看有沒有什麼方法這個部分想一下齁那下一題網路的下次再問謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.429 --> 00:19.640\n這個我們這個總預算通過後我聽到各個部位都在靠參說這個沒有錢那個沒有錢預算被刪到這個沒辦法執行那個沒辦法補助之類的那很多民眾都在問我啦說這個怎麼從來沒有聽到負稅署國稅局出來喊一下說因為沒有錢所以沒有辦法向國人課稅啊\n\n00:22.608 --> 00:37.957\n就是預算不足很多民眾都在問我啊每個單位都說這個沒錢那個沒錢就是沒有聽到複稅署出來說沒有錢沒辦法課稅啊課稅是法律規定然後我們的複稅署的同仁都比較課苦耐勞就對了課勤課儉課勤課儉喔你們壓榨他們啊這樣會不會造成霸凌啊確實同仁就是變得有些辛苦啦\n\n00:47.762 --> 01:09.381\n好辛苦你們了好我想請問財化法財化已經通過了而且經過這個覆議嘛對吧也經過我們在3月12號覆議那根據憲法增修條文的第三條第二項第二款的規定我們二分之一維持原決議你們就要接受行政院這邊行政院長要接受那接受以後我剛看到您在這個報告裡頭\n\n01:10.262 --> 01:24.828\n第19頁有講到說你們接著會配合行政院做相關的政策會配合這個政策辦理那請問你這個相關的配套措施開始啟動了沒有\n\n01:26.857 --> 01:35.521\n第一個財化法其實我們在復議裡面有提到許多自愛難行的部分那立法院已經復議通過了嘛復議就是沒有贊成復議嘛維持原案那這個部分呢我想後續會不會以什麼樣的合法合憲的程序在尋求救濟\n\n01:50.649 --> 02:17.616\n那我們跟行政院都還在議論跟討論中那你們現在也應該開始要做相關的研議比如說比如說這個因為現在100現在11現在2025嘛2026的預算已經要開始在開始要3月份以後4月份就開始籌編了嘛相關的先期作業就要開始做了嘛那因應新的這個財化法的通過假設明年要開始實施的話即便你中間可能有一些救濟措施那你們也是必須要做準備吧\n\n02:18.775 --> 02:43.502\n有沒有開始做相關的準備呢跟委員報告齊劃寶很重要一個就是說我們在做下一個年度的稅收的一個預估的時候就要計算出要給縣市政府多少錢當然要依照新通過的法令來依法行政那新分配的新的法律規定那接下來就是我怎麼分配給各地方政府我們那天在復議裡有說到就是說第一個先不要反復議說什麼\n\n02:44.842 --> 03:12.351\n你現在新的就是原來的決議通過以後你沒有沒有開始再做按照新的採劃法的這個步驟往前走嗎那現在就是那個第一個他已經把那個分配辦法的授權的規定已經取消掉了所以財政部已經沒有辦法去訂水位的分配辦法沒有辦法訂分配辦法在我們回看到法案那就按照我們通過的這個採劃法按照營業稅百分之多少中央百分之多少地方什麼稅百分之多少按照這個來做這個統籌分貨款的分配嘛\n\n03:12.751 --> 03:33.718\n是不是有這樣先把預算這樣開始框下來目前還沒有到算這個部分因為我們還沒有還在那個稅客收入的部分還沒有去做那幾月份可以開始做這樣的因為你們準備的地方也要準備您剛剛提到的是垂直分配就是這個稅的幾%對不對那可是在水平分配的部分我們那天提到第一個很多的公式不明確\n\n03:34.838 --> 03:56.697\n好你有的分不出去那百分之九十幾的沒有分出去有的百分之幾沒分出去因為它的計算就是這樣子分母跟分子它沒有對應到以至於加起來不等於百分之百財政部一向在如果有時候對法令不明確的時候很多單位如果是政府或民間對政府法令可能有疑義的時候你們也會有一些含釋或解釋嘛你們總是要往前走來\n\n03:57.358 --> 04:18.693\n沒關係這個先給你一個提醒因為現在是三月份那你們在這個過程在籌編明天的預算要開始蓋算的時候你就要開始要有一些準備嘛第二個所謂事權跟財權的這個調整嘛那哪一些事權財權的調整我當初在這邊擔任召委也講嘛那實際上行政也要趕快提出來比如說內政部可能覺得說哪些\n\n04:19.614 --> 04:43.040\n哪些權利可能或者事項事項要交給地方辦理嘛應該也要再趕快提出來說在這個行政院院會裡頭提出來說那些相關事項要提出來如果要修法的我們大家也一起來協助嘛那其實你們應該跟地方趕快討論這個現在是計劃型補助款嘛因為我們依法我們這個新的條款通過一般性的補助款這個依法不得降低嘛這個很明確沒問題吧\n\n04:44.800 --> 05:04.444\n這個通過這一條是明確的吧目前法律是這樣規定的對是明確的嘛當然依法我們當然都要依法然後明確嘛就計劃型補助款的這個調整方向我們看各部會的計劃型補助款一直增加但是我現在看到有的部會這個到時候主計來我也是會問有的部會已經開始在下公文給各個地方政府如果按照各地方的這個財力這個分級\n\n05:07.085 --> 05:35.168\n收支這個分級的話應該比如說統籌跟自備款中央款跟自籌款如果講這三級是7比3舉例7比287比3舉例的話現在很多單位都在下公文說要求地方就要自籌50%這個問題現在事實上已經有在發生好像在計劃型補助款的部分這個可能你們也要注意一下這個相關的不會在這個部分是不是違法\n\n05:35.788 --> 05:57.643\n因為它違法,但這不是你的問題,主計那邊我到時候會來請教他啦所以我也是建議你們既然這個服務域已經維持研究通過,趕快就往下要做準備還是要做準備當然你這個中間過程中,你的這個水平分配的部分如果各縣市政府有提出來,這個也是要盡快嘛我上次,組委長也跟我說,事實上也許還是有什麼\n\n05:58.864 --> 06:12.637\n可以討論的嘛你們這個動作也要快啊我們從去年6月19、9月提出版本一直沒提出來現在又說可能有版本嘛那不管怎麼樣也是要趕快你們有一些對策要趕快出來大家好在立法院好好討論嘛這樣可以加快嗎\n\n06:14.775 --> 06:42.899\n委員剛剛的許多的說法我們都了解比如說計劃型補助款要怎麼樣那個未來組總會會他會去算那另外就是財務法我們其實3月6號也已經開會了也提出了一些具體的那地方政府也有些意見以及專家學者意見我們都會這個納入以後一起來做參考考量這個要注意的因為時間一直在過去我想請教那個關務署關務署我們上回去進門考察的時候我們看到你們那個辦公廳是很老舊對吧那改善了沒有啊\n\n06:43.599 --> 06:53.533\n在那麼危險的鋼筋裸露改善完成了嗎鋼筋裸露的部分金門港務處已經有派員要去施工了那前次我們金門縣港務處出的嗎\n\n06:55.562 --> 07:24.682\n當然就金門縣補助關務署你們這個有錢單位不要每次都占地方的便宜好了反正是大家一起做事我們目前還沒有施工已經決定要幫你們做了就對了這個要叮囑請問這個房屋稅的問題這個新制的房屋稅2.07月1號實施去年實施今年5月1號開始要試用2.0它是規定自住住家用的就自住房屋要辦戶籍登記\n\n07:25.602 --> 07:26.242\n有台灣人台灣島的\n\n07:46.832 --> 08:13.257\n民眾他到金門去工作他原來在台灣有房子因為他到金門去工作他金門長期工作也是公務人員那他就長期必須在這邊買房子那桌休業還是要回到原來他台灣的家嘛原來的房子他戶口只能設在一個地方啊所以在這個情況下那他又是單身請問一下這種情形要怎麼彌補呢包括我們金門鄉親也有啊在金門有房子那在台灣也有原因是因為我們就是必須這樣跑我們在地就是\n\n08:14.318 --> 08:39.796\n就是比較辛苦沒有辦法住在台北就在台北工作住在金門就在就是有時候就會有這樣的困難點反向的時候因為有些機票的這個優惠沒有戶籍在金門也沒有辦法取得所以這個東西這種反應很多在金門地區反應很多有沒有什麼辦法呢可不可以研究一下這部分是不是可以請署長說一下沒有預算也可以徵稅的付稅署\n\n08:41.469 --> 09:01.486\n那是五個國稅局國稅局沒辦法徵稅國稅局跟委員報告就是房屋稅差別稅例2.0的新制啊它在有關自住的部分是參考地價稅因為地價稅本來的規定就是如果你要享受自用住宅的優惠稅率一定要適合戶籍\n\n09:02.026 --> 09:18.928\n我知道我知道但是現在的確在實行上遇到了實務上因為我們當初做這個我們當時希望抑制這個炒房不要讓大家到處買房子房價亂漲一通但是事實上的確有人是住在不是說金門像連南部也會有這種情形對吧\n\n09:19.909 --> 09:48.107\n那你難道要大家都妻離子善嗎戶口全家拆成三戶就對了以前金門就是為了這個很多妻離子善家破人不亡那個只是戶籍而已啦不是真的家破人亡是但是戶籍那以離島地區來講如果戶籍沒有在金門買機票就比較貴啊回家一趟五千塊委員這個就是大家要所以會有遇到這種情形我了解針對像我們這樣的離島地區有沒有什麼樣的方案可以來想辦法來讓這個情形\n\n09:49.847 --> 09:57.593\n因為這個是全國通用的一個制度其實本島也會有類似這樣的狀況因為你規定社務級嘛所以是不是還有其他的方法除了社務級外有沒有其他的方法可以因為這已經是法治了\n\n10:08.520 --> 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