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00:02:42,243\n涉案我們本身的財政部的所屬的所有的人員包含我們的機構也都沒有然後這個承辦廠商也沒有內部的人但是是因為城市設計上把權重做了一個調整那這個部分權重調整的部分超乎一般人的一般通常的概念應該是說你投的什麼你譬如說你用的雲端發票越多你知道中獎比例越高但是你不能去調這個權重所以這個部分我們移送調查區檢查調查以後他認為是沒有不法\n\n9\n00:02:45,765 --> 00:03:00,838\n是沒有不法但是呢我們會認為這個情況仍然不應該要發生所以我們對於廠商已經在民事上請求相關的追償以及他必須要去澄清我們對廠商追償多少費用追償多少費用兩千四百萬這個部分我們會去做另外我想\n\n10\n00:03:07,383 --> 00:03:20,647\n已經提醒對廠商球場2400萬對已經提起訴訟在去年又提起訴訟然後第二個我覺得委員我了解委員關切就是說日後不能再發生這樣的一個事情所以對於我們認為抽獎\n\n11\n00:03:22,779 --> 00:03:39,165\n要以實體抽獎不要就網路抽獎要更加的嚴謹然後要多方的驗證多方的查驗避免有這種情況那像這種駭客入侵有的時候怎麼講到高於死有時候會磨高於葬這種情況也要怎麼樣的去防備這點我不苛責財政部因為畢竟財政的專業並不是數位相關專業嘛\n\n12\n00:03:44,887 --> 00:04:03,465\n有一些可能道高一尺魔高一丈我同意啊因為網路世界也好或程序世界日新月異那有沒有跟速發部來做一個溝通了解資安的部分或者政府的系統隨隨便便一個駭客就可以作弊那我們這幾十億洋的速發部在幹嘛\n\n13\n00:04:04,673 --> 00:04:25,738\n對資安的部分那更重要那財政部的尤其像我們的財資中心那個資安的等級是非常高的是非常高的所以未來我們其實應該是盡量不要再用網路抽獎了部長所以能夠承諾也向國人來確認未來不要再有這種被作弊的事情發生對\n\n14\n00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:55,746\n好部長那另外一個部分當然很多的委員也都關心了美國現在川普總統上任兩個月1月20號到現在但是全世界真的都天翻地覆全世界都有很多遊戲規則改變了那其中本席就有看到針對美國的財政部長他有講到是說有前15名的這個percentage的國家對美國徵收高關稅叫做骯髒15台灣也在名列其中對不對\n\n15\n00:05:00,063 --> 00:05:24,329\n沒有嗎沒有啊沒有掌握我們台灣傳台灣也被點名骯髒十五國傳台灣名列其中有沒有掌握沒有啊報告委員沒有看到這個消息沒有看到這個新聞沒有沒有看到這個新聞部長是對啊對因為我們一直非常關注這個是非常重視剛剛新聞還有推播耶\n\n16\n00:05:26,663 --> 00:05:52,674\n說從昨天晚上到今天新聞還有推播川普政府點名骯髒15國路透社報台灣陸列還有台灣被美列骯髒15國高關稅名單已經有相關人士點名說我們汽車產業萬萬歲所以他可能會被結果部長我覺得這\n\n17\n00:05:56,327 --> 00:06:14,776\n來部長您可以用麥克風來你再講一遍你說因為早上都在這邊所以我們幕僚作業也沒有辦法及時的讓大家知道但這個是這兩天出來美國那邊財政部長18號接受福斯新聞專訪說骯髒15國是特別關注美國徵收高關稅跟貿易量大的前15%的國家部長麥克風打開啦是我們財政部長沒有掌握\n\n18\n00:06:26,913 --> 00:06:39,939\n奇怪我們一起我們在同一艘船上但是我真的要求如果說這樣的話我覺得有點危險因為18號美國財政部長的專訪特別講了而且他講是說\n\n19\n00:06:41,690 --> 00:07:07,915\n未來他可能會用美國會用自身的稅率非關稅的貿易壁壘匯率調整等給美國談判的機會而如果這些國家停止非關稅壁壘的情況可以避免被加徵關稅換言之他可能會用加徵關稅來變成是談判的手段我覺得這就要變成是我們未來民進黨政府以及財政部要妥善的因應\n\n20\n00:07:09,196 --> 00:07:30,654\n不能等閒視之這個專訪我是有看到但是您剛剛講那個15國陸列的部分所以到現在我們還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列人家都點名了有15個國家我們到現在還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列那更不用講說我們怎麼樣回應怎麼樣反應怎麼樣來啟動我們相關應有的應變措施我們剛剛同事又再去確定有還沒有\n\n21\n00:07:36,266 --> 00:07:50,756\n有錄裂15國我們剛剛上網在查了部長是照理講這一件事情不應該由一個在野黨的委員在質詢的時候提醒你\n\n22\n00:07:51,741 --> 00:08:06,079\n照理講這件事情應該是財政部我們所有的聰明的大腦們應該早就掌握照理講美國現在兩個月下來川普政府他有一些改變的狀況我們應該都要緊盯這些狀況\n\n23\n00:08:09,901 --> 00:08:38,748\n是我覺得我們是一直都有在緊盯這個部長好宏偉時間關係方面這個會後給你提供因為召委已經站起來了我覺得這可能是連我們召委連我們不管藍綠委員都非常關注的是部長不能狀況外是後續怎麼樣發展我會再利用持續的質詢機會再跟你就教是請一定要準備好也一定要萬全的因應我們都一直有在關注然後也做相關的盤點好謝謝宏偉委員謝謝請部長會後也提供給宏偉委員相關的資訊\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1049\t1429\t時間五分鐘主席謝謝,麻煩請莊部長有請莊部長\n18700\t38425\t委員好部長好部長先請教因為這兩天就有個新聞是針對我們高雄稅捐基增處所辦理的稅務突擊對網路抽獎活動那也被發現是說有15名都是同性的中獎人被網友戲稱說這個是\n41185\t51269\t銅家軍那當然現在已經確定是說他是一個駭客而且利用遊戲的系統漏洞來讓自己獲獎機率高達84%那想請教\n56513\t75066\t本席不禁也想到去年軒然大波沸沸揚揚就是我們所謂的雲端種樹去一起集點樹的網路活動也爆發四名的中獎人連續中兩次大獎那那個時候財政部給我們的報告是講還用調查局來背書說沒有涉及不法\n75566\t87811\t那但是現在看得出來其實在網路世界當時很多委員都持續關心其實要怎麼樣防止駭客的用作弊程式這個才是重點那我想請教一下部長有沒有講過這個新聞\n89656\t112907\t是謝謝我知道這個新聞知道它是高雄市的稅捐基增處辦的不是我們國稅局辦的當然這樣的一個情況等於是說一個駭客入侵造成這樣的一個情況就我們所知目前它重複的獎項也都沒有44個獎項也都沒有發送但是委員也提到沒有發送但是它確實就是用作弊的方式造成它中獎的狀況就是有一個這樣的事情發生對不對\n113527\t135884\t那我也知道委員很重視那上次委員也有特別提醒因為財政部的有關相關的比如說網路報稅啊等等都是這麼多年努力下來所建立出來的公信那這個雲端種樹區這個發票的一個中獎有四個人重複中大獎這個部分當然我們不希望有重複再發生這樣的一個事情所以第一個我們就去清查相關的人員都沒有\n136424\t162243\t涉案我們本身的財政部的所屬的所有的人員包含我們的機構也都沒有然後這個承辦廠商也沒有內部的人但是是因為城市設計上把權重做了一個調整那這個部分權重調整的部分超乎一般人的一般通常的概念應該是說你投的什麼你譬如說你用的雲端發票越多你知道中獎比例越高但是你不能去調這個權重所以這個部分我們移送調查區檢查調查以後他認為是沒有不法\n165765\t180838\t是沒有不法但是呢我們會認為這個情況仍然不應該要發生所以我們對於廠商已經在民事上請求相關的追償以及他必須要去澄清我們對廠商追償多少費用追償多少費用兩千四百萬這個部分我們會去做另外我想\n187383\t200647\t已經提醒對廠商球場2400萬對已經提起訴訟在去年又提起訴訟然後第二個我覺得委員我了解委員關切就是說日後不能再發生這樣的一個事情所以對於我們認為抽獎\n202779\t219165\t要以實體抽獎不要就網路抽獎要更加的嚴謹然後要多方的驗證多方的查驗避免有這種情況那像這種駭客入侵有的時候怎麼講到高於死有時候會磨高於葬這種情況也要怎麼樣的去防備這點我不苛責財政部因為畢竟財政的專業並不是數位相關專業嘛\n224887\t243465\t有一些可能道高一尺魔高一丈我同意啊因為網路世界也好或程序世界日新月異那有沒有跟速發部來做一個溝通了解資安的部分或者政府的系統隨隨便便一個駭客就可以作弊那我們這幾十億洋的速發部在幹嘛\n244673\t265738\t對 資安的部分那更重要那財政部的尤其像我們的財資中心那個資安的等級是非常高的是非常高的所以未來我們其實應該是盡量不要再用網路抽獎了部長所以能夠承諾也向國人來確認未來不要再有這種被作弊的事情發生對\n266820\t295746\t好部長那另外一個部分當然很多的委員也都關心了美國現在川普總統上任兩個月1月20號到現在但是全世界真的都天翻地覆全世界都有很多遊戲規則改變了那其中本席就有看到針對美國的財政部長他有講到是說有前15名的這個percentage的國家對美國徵收高關稅叫做骯髒15台灣也在名列其中對不對\n300063\t324329\t沒有嗎沒有啊沒有掌握我們台灣傳台灣也被點名骯髒十五國傳台灣名列其中有沒有掌握沒有啊報告委員沒有看到這個消息沒有看到這個新聞沒有沒有看到這個新聞部長是對啊對因為我們一直非常關注這個是非常重視剛剛新聞還有推播耶\n326663\t352674\t說從昨天晚上到今天新聞還有推播川普政府點名骯髒15國路透社報台灣陸列還有台灣被美列骯髒15國高關稅名單已經有相關人士點名說我們汽車產業萬萬歲所以他可能會被結果部長我覺得這\n356327\t374776\t來部長您可以用麥克風來你再講一遍你說因為早上都在這邊所以我們幕僚作業也沒有辦法及時的讓大家知道但這個是這兩天出來美國那邊財政部長18號接受福斯新聞專訪說骯髒15國是特別關注美國徵收高關稅跟貿易量大的前15%的國家部長麥克風打開啦是我們財政部長沒有掌握\n386913\t399939\t奇怪我們一起我們在同一艘船上但是我真的要求如果說這樣的話我覺得有點危險因為18號美國財政部長的專訪特別講了而且他講是說\n401690\t427915\t未來他可能會用美國會用自身的稅率非關稅的貿易壁壘匯率調整等給美國談判的機會而如果這些國家停止非關稅壁壘的情況可以避免被加徵關稅換言之他可能會用加徵關稅來變成是談判的手段我覺得這就要變成是我們未來民進黨政府以及財政部要妥善的因應\n429196\t450654\t不能等閒視之這個專訪我是有看到但是您剛剛講那個15國陸列的部分所以到現在我們還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列人家都點名了有15個國家我們到現在還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列那更不用講說我們怎麼樣回應怎麼樣反應怎麼樣來啟動我們相關應有的應變措施我們剛剛同事又再去確定有還沒有\n456266\t470756\t有錄裂15國我們剛剛上網在查了部長是照理講這一件事情不應該由一個在野黨的委員在質詢的時候提醒你\n471741\t486079\t照理講這件事情應該是財政部我們所有的聰明的大腦們應該早就掌握照理講美國現在兩個月下來川普政府他有一些改變的狀況我們應該都要緊盯這些狀況\n489901\t518748\t是 我覺得我們是一直都有在緊盯這個部長好 宏偉時間關係方面這個會後給你提供因為召委已經站起來了我覺得這可能是連我們召委連我們不管藍綠委員都非常關注的是部長不能狀況外是後續怎麼樣發展我會再利用持續的質詢機會再跟你就教是請一定要準備好也一定要萬全的因應我們都一直有在關注然後也做相關的盤點好 謝謝宏偉委員謝謝請部長會後也提供給宏偉委員相關的資訊\n","txt":"時間五分鐘主席謝謝,麻煩請莊部長有請莊部長\n委員好部長好部長先請教因為這兩天就有個新聞是針對我們高雄稅捐基增處所辦理的稅務突擊對網路抽獎活動那也被發現是說有15名都是同性的中獎人被網友戲稱說這個是\n銅家軍那當然現在已經確定是說他是一個駭客而且利用遊戲的系統漏洞來讓自己獲獎機率高達84%那想請教\n本席不禁也想到去年軒然大波沸沸揚揚就是我們所謂的雲端種樹去一起集點樹的網路活動也爆發四名的中獎人連續中兩次大獎那那個時候財政部給我們的報告是講還用調查局來背書說沒有涉及不法\n那但是現在看得出來其實在網路世界當時很多委員都持續關心其實要怎麼樣防止駭客的用作弊程式這個才是重點那我想請教一下部長有沒有講過這個新聞\n是謝謝我知道這個新聞知道它是高雄市的稅捐基增處辦的不是我們國稅局辦的當然這樣的一個情況等於是說一個駭客入侵造成這樣的一個情況就我們所知目前它重複的獎項也都沒有44個獎項也都沒有發送但是委員也提到沒有發送但是它確實就是用作弊的方式造成它中獎的狀況就是有一個這樣的事情發生對不對\n那我也知道委員很重視那上次委員也有特別提醒因為財政部的有關相關的比如說網路報稅啊等等都是這麼多年努力下來所建立出來的公信那這個雲端種樹區這個發票的一個中獎有四個人重複中大獎這個部分當然我們不希望有重複再發生這樣的一個事情所以第一個我們就去清查相關的人員都沒有\n涉案我們本身的財政部的所屬的所有的人員包含我們的機構也都沒有然後這個承辦廠商也沒有內部的人但是是因為城市設計上把權重做了一個調整那這個部分權重調整的部分超乎一般人的一般通常的概念應該是說你投的什麼你譬如說你用的雲端發票越多你知道中獎比例越高但是你不能去調這個權重所以這個部分我們移送調查區檢查調查以後他認為是沒有不法\n是沒有不法但是呢我們會認為這個情況仍然不應該要發生所以我們對於廠商已經在民事上請求相關的追償以及他必須要去澄清我們對廠商追償多少費用追償多少費用兩千四百萬這個部分我們會去做另外我想\n已經提醒對廠商球場2400萬對已經提起訴訟在去年又提起訴訟然後第二個我覺得委員我了解委員關切就是說日後不能再發生這樣的一個事情所以對於我們認為抽獎\n要以實體抽獎不要就網路抽獎要更加的嚴謹然後要多方的驗證多方的查驗避免有這種情況那像這種駭客入侵有的時候怎麼講到高於死有時候會磨高於葬這種情況也要怎麼樣的去防備這點我不苛責財政部因為畢竟財政的專業並不是數位相關專業嘛\n有一些可能道高一尺魔高一丈我同意啊因為網路世界也好或程序世界日新月異那有沒有跟速發部來做一個溝通了解資安的部分或者政府的系統隨隨便便一個駭客就可以作弊那我們這幾十億洋的速發部在幹嘛\n對 資安的部分那更重要那財政部的尤其像我們的財資中心那個資安的等級是非常高的是非常高的所以未來我們其實應該是盡量不要再用網路抽獎了部長所以能夠承諾也向國人來確認未來不要再有這種被作弊的事情發生對\n好部長那另外一個部分當然很多的委員也都關心了美國現在川普總統上任兩個月1月20號到現在但是全世界真的都天翻地覆全世界都有很多遊戲規則改變了那其中本席就有看到針對美國的財政部長他有講到是說有前15名的這個percentage的國家對美國徵收高關稅叫做骯髒15台灣也在名列其中對不對\n沒有嗎沒有啊沒有掌握我們台灣傳台灣也被點名骯髒十五國傳台灣名列其中有沒有掌握沒有啊報告委員沒有看到這個消息沒有看到這個新聞沒有沒有看到這個新聞部長是對啊對因為我們一直非常關注這個是非常重視剛剛新聞還有推播耶\n說從昨天晚上到今天新聞還有推播川普政府點名骯髒15國路透社報台灣陸列還有台灣被美列骯髒15國高關稅名單已經有相關人士點名說我們汽車產業萬萬歲所以他可能會被結果部長我覺得這\n來部長您可以用麥克風來你再講一遍你說因為早上都在這邊所以我們幕僚作業也沒有辦法及時的讓大家知道但這個是這兩天出來美國那邊財政部長18號接受福斯新聞專訪說骯髒15國是特別關注美國徵收高關稅跟貿易量大的前15%的國家部長麥克風打開啦是我們財政部長沒有掌握\n奇怪我們一起我們在同一艘船上但是我真的要求如果說這樣的話我覺得有點危險因為18號美國財政部長的專訪特別講了而且他講是說\n未來他可能會用美國會用自身的稅率非關稅的貿易壁壘匯率調整等給美國談判的機會而如果這些國家停止非關稅壁壘的情況可以避免被加徵關稅換言之他可能會用加徵關稅來變成是談判的手段我覺得這就要變成是我們未來民進黨政府以及財政部要妥善的因應\n不能等閒視之這個專訪我是有看到但是您剛剛講那個15國陸列的部分所以到現在我們還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列人家都點名了有15個國家我們到現在還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列那更不用講說我們怎麼樣回應怎麼樣反應怎麼樣來啟動我們相關應有的應變措施我們剛剛同事又再去確定有還沒有\n有錄裂15國我們剛剛上網在查了部長是照理講這一件事情不應該由一個在野黨的委員在質詢的時候提醒你\n照理講這件事情應該是財政部我們所有的聰明的大腦們應該早就掌握照理講美國現在兩個月下來川普政府他有一些改變的狀況我們應該都要緊盯這些狀況\n是 我覺得我們是一直都有在緊盯這個部長好 宏偉時間關係方面這個會後給你提供因為召委已經站起來了我覺得這可能是連我們召委連我們不管藍綠委員都非常關注的是部長不能狀況外是後續怎麼樣發展我會再利用持續的質詢機會再跟你就教是請一定要準備好也一定要萬全的因應我們都一直有在關注然後也做相關的盤點好 謝謝宏偉委員謝謝請部長會後也提供給宏偉委員相關的資訊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.049 --> 00:01.429\n時間五分鐘主席謝謝,麻煩請莊部長有請莊部長\n\n00:18.700 --> 00:38.425\n委員好部長好部長先請教因為這兩天就有個新聞是針對我們高雄稅捐基增處所辦理的稅務突擊對網路抽獎活動那也被發現是說有15名都是同性的中獎人被網友戲稱說這個是\n\n00:41.185 --> 00:51.269\n銅家軍那當然現在已經確定是說他是一個駭客而且利用遊戲的系統漏洞來讓自己獲獎機率高達84%那想請教\n\n00:56.513 --> 01:15.066\n本席不禁也想到去年軒然大波沸沸揚揚就是我們所謂的雲端種樹去一起集點樹的網路活動也爆發四名的中獎人連續中兩次大獎那那個時候財政部給我們的報告是講還用調查局來背書說沒有涉及不法\n\n01:15.566 --> 01:27.811\n那但是現在看得出來其實在網路世界當時很多委員都持續關心其實要怎麼樣防止駭客的用作弊程式這個才是重點那我想請教一下部長有沒有講過這個新聞\n\n01:29.656 --> 01:52.907\n是謝謝我知道這個新聞知道它是高雄市的稅捐基增處辦的不是我們國稅局辦的當然這樣的一個情況等於是說一個駭客入侵造成這樣的一個情況就我們所知目前它重複的獎項也都沒有44個獎項也都沒有發送但是委員也提到沒有發送但是它確實就是用作弊的方式造成它中獎的狀況就是有一個這樣的事情發生對不對\n\n01:53.527 --> 02:15.884\n那我也知道委員很重視那上次委員也有特別提醒因為財政部的有關相關的比如說網路報稅啊等等都是這麼多年努力下來所建立出來的公信那這個雲端種樹區這個發票的一個中獎有四個人重複中大獎這個部分當然我們不希望有重複再發生這樣的一個事情所以第一個我們就去清查相關的人員都沒有\n\n02:16.424 --> 02:42.243\n涉案我們本身的財政部的所屬的所有的人員包含我們的機構也都沒有然後這個承辦廠商也沒有內部的人但是是因為城市設計上把權重做了一個調整那這個部分權重調整的部分超乎一般人的一般通常的概念應該是說你投的什麼你譬如說你用的雲端發票越多你知道中獎比例越高但是你不能去調這個權重所以這個部分我們移送調查區檢查調查以後他認為是沒有不法\n\n02:45.765 --> 03:00.838\n是沒有不法但是呢我們會認為這個情況仍然不應該要發生所以我們對於廠商已經在民事上請求相關的追償以及他必須要去澄清我們對廠商追償多少費用追償多少費用兩千四百萬這個部分我們會去做另外我想\n\n03:07.383 --> 03:20.647\n已經提醒對廠商球場2400萬對已經提起訴訟在去年又提起訴訟然後第二個我覺得委員我了解委員關切就是說日後不能再發生這樣的一個事情所以對於我們認為抽獎\n\n03:22.779 --> 03:39.165\n要以實體抽獎不要就網路抽獎要更加的嚴謹然後要多方的驗證多方的查驗避免有這種情況那像這種駭客入侵有的時候怎麼講到高於死有時候會磨高於葬這種情況也要怎麼樣的去防備這點我不苛責財政部因為畢竟財政的專業並不是數位相關專業嘛\n\n03:44.887 --> 04:03.465\n有一些可能道高一尺魔高一丈我同意啊因為網路世界也好或程序世界日新月異那有沒有跟速發部來做一個溝通了解資安的部分或者政府的系統隨隨便便一個駭客就可以作弊那我們這幾十億洋的速發部在幹嘛\n\n04:04.673 --> 04:25.738\n對資安的部分那更重要那財政部的尤其像我們的財資中心那個資安的等級是非常高的是非常高的所以未來我們其實應該是盡量不要再用網路抽獎了部長所以能夠承諾也向國人來確認未來不要再有這種被作弊的事情發生對\n\n04:26.820 --> 04:55.746\n好部長那另外一個部分當然很多的委員也都關心了美國現在川普總統上任兩個月1月20號到現在但是全世界真的都天翻地覆全世界都有很多遊戲規則改變了那其中本席就有看到針對美國的財政部長他有講到是說有前15名的這個percentage的國家對美國徵收高關稅叫做骯髒15台灣也在名列其中對不對\n\n05:00.063 --> 05:24.329\n沒有嗎沒有啊沒有掌握我們台灣傳台灣也被點名骯髒十五國傳台灣名列其中有沒有掌握沒有啊報告委員沒有看到這個消息沒有看到這個新聞沒有沒有看到這個新聞部長是對啊對因為我們一直非常關注這個是非常重視剛剛新聞還有推播耶\n\n05:26.663 --> 05:52.674\n說從昨天晚上到今天新聞還有推播川普政府點名骯髒15國路透社報台灣陸列還有台灣被美列骯髒15國高關稅名單已經有相關人士點名說我們汽車產業萬萬歲所以他可能會被結果部長我覺得這\n\n05:56.327 --> 06:14.776\n來部長您可以用麥克風來你再講一遍你說因為早上都在這邊所以我們幕僚作業也沒有辦法及時的讓大家知道但這個是這兩天出來美國那邊財政部長18號接受福斯新聞專訪說骯髒15國是特別關注美國徵收高關稅跟貿易量大的前15%的國家部長麥克風打開啦是我們財政部長沒有掌握\n\n06:26.913 --> 06:39.939\n奇怪我們一起我們在同一艘船上但是我真的要求如果說這樣的話我覺得有點危險因為18號美國財政部長的專訪特別講了而且他講是說\n\n06:41.690 --> 07:07.915\n未來他可能會用美國會用自身的稅率非關稅的貿易壁壘匯率調整等給美國談判的機會而如果這些國家停止非關稅壁壘的情況可以避免被加徵關稅換言之他可能會用加徵關稅來變成是談判的手段我覺得這就要變成是我們未來民進黨政府以及財政部要妥善的因應\n\n07:09.196 --> 07:30.654\n不能等閒視之這個專訪我是有看到但是您剛剛講那個15國陸列的部分所以到現在我們還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列人家都點名了有15個國家我們到現在還不知道台灣有沒有被陸列那更不用講說我們怎麼樣回應怎麼樣反應怎麼樣來啟動我們相關應有的應變措施我們剛剛同事又再去確定有還沒有\n\n07:36.266 --> 07:50.756\n有錄裂15國我們剛剛上網在查了部長是照理講這一件事情不應該由一個在野黨的委員在質詢的時候提醒你\n\n07:51.741 --> 08:06.079\n照理講這件事情應該是財政部我們所有的聰明的大腦們應該早就掌握照理講美國現在兩個月下來川普政府他有一些改變的狀況我們應該都要緊盯這些狀況\n\n08:09.901 --> 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