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00:00:37,931\n市長本席從上一屆就提案希望可以訂定營養午餐的專訪這一屆也有很多委員提案基本上這已經是超越黨派的共同主張\n\n3\n00:00:38,932 --> 00:00:57,378\n這一個會期教育委員會也召開過公聽會聆聽各界保衛的意見所以在這邊首先要來請教部長當時教育部表示草案已經送到行政院在審議所以首先請教進度如何\n\n4\n00:00:58,198 --> 00:01:16,862\n對我們在去年113年11月的時候送行政院然後因為那個審議過程中大概一個月之後那個我們立法院通過那個裁罰法那剛才我有跟委員說明就是說事實上目前這個學校營養午餐法還沒上路之前我們依據學校衛生法16條22條到23條之3事實上我們已經陸續根據委員的建議包括營養師的補助啦偏鄉中央廚房的補助啦這個是在各個項目所以本期要請教\n\n5\n00:01:27,765 --> 00:01:49,838\n你們從去年送11月份送現在卡關卡在哪裡現在目前就是行政院認為營養午餐的這個事項是屬於地方制度事項那現在每年所均攤的每年所應該例行要補助的已經高達74億那修法如果要再增加的話目前算起來最少要2726億多那大概會哇次長\n\n6\n00:01:54,641 --> 00:02:23,080\n我相信您啊也對教育就是非常的支持不管你在擔任民意代表或現在來擔任次長你都非常的支持我們的教育而且關心我們的孩子那但是如果剛剛陳如你所說的那我要在本席要再請教現在各個委員都提出也就是表示他已經是超越黨派的共同主張所以\n\n7\n00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:52,023\n你目前是否同意應該要設定專法來把關學校的營養午餐呢專法是超越黨派的精神讓孩子吃更好更安全那你同不同意設立專法但是中央跟地方的這個未來的地方採訪法之後地方要不要跟中央一起共同來負擔這個黨派還沒有達成共識所以我覺得這個誰跟你沒達成共識所謂的黨派誰反對啊\n\n8\n00:02:52,563 --> 00:02:53,964\n市長誰反對啊黨派還沒達成共識地方的縣市首長都是以各縣市的權益為最重要換句話說我們回歸到我們討論我們要把關我們的孩子吃的營養嘛\n\n9\n00:03:16,736 --> 00:03:38,546\n每年的74億加修法之後增加了26億如果照你這麼說那請教行政院版會不會在這個會前會不會送到立法院來會不會如果裁判法的影響沒有好好評估中央地方還沒有達成共識我們要怎麼去修法增加這個市長你這個說法讓我蠻訝異的我們今天在討論這個\n\n10\n00:03:44,709 --> 00:04:04,622\n專法你好好去審視接下來我要告訴你為什麼專法很重要監察院在上個月發布了新聞稿他針對於教育部沒有落實把關學校午餐餐點到今天沒有制定學校午餐專法這是監察院所提出\n\n11\n00:04:05,663 --> 00:04:31,950\n各級學校仍有公餐熱量超標供應水果類以及乳品類的食品份量不夠還有提供炸物以及魚肉類的半成品次數過多但影響了我們學童的健康發展所以市長在他這個監察院要求教育部必須要檢討改進\n\n12\n00:04:33,991 --> 00:04:43,004\n所以市長我們當然有一些屬於這個制度上的檢討我們一定會跟地方政府因為執行端在地方政府因為本席告訴你教育部雖然有學校午餐食物內容及營養基準\n\n13\n00:04:48,772 --> 00:05:03,724\n但是我們很清楚仍舊有很多的學校還是沒有符合到底是不清楚還是沒有辦法符合所以你們有教育部校園的這個食材登錄平台推動超過10年在這個推動當中你們的午餐資訊甚至有同一個餐點它的熱量它的差距非常的大\n\n14\n00:05:12,992 --> 00:05:18,355\n那等於是流域形式所以教育部你要怎麼樣去落實整個稽查制度呢我想這個部分我們會跟地方好好來談好你會繼續來繼續本席要告訴你為什麼專法這麼重要因為人力不足更是你一個重大原因因為你的午餐秘書啊大家都說是在吹工帝啊他也沒有家籍然後輪來輪去的好辛苦\n\n15\n00:05:41,306 --> 00:05:51,542\n好辛苦這樣子的一個情況不斷的輪替而且1153從業人員薪資偏低造成了年輕人他不敢接所以部長這個務必要有專法來好好的來討論啊是嗎\n\n16\n00:05:56,610 --> 00:06:04,917\n其實在沒有修專法之前我們也不斷增加營養師的補助啦你講的那個人力你現在所說的你現在所說的是目前樣態它已經產生這個問題所以你要有精進方案啊我們就陸續來加但是這個經費要中央跟地方談所以必須要好好的去精進喔謝謝你最後一個課題我給你喔因為我今天有提案也就是那個運動署喔我們這個運動產業發展條例\n\n17\n00:06:23,553 --> 00:06:30,561\n本席所提第24條跟第26條它的目的就是可以擴大民間企業對於體育活動的一個參與所以次長在這裡署長在這裡你們有沒有版本有沒有論版這也是跨越超越\n\n18\n00:06:40,471 --> 00:06:51,797\n黨派大家都提案我們這個已經列為優先法案目前進度在哪裡體育署現在已經在開會在研商這個稅賦的部分坦白講還沒達成控制體育署在研商請問進度這個近期會送來立法院嗎\n\n19\n00:06:57,322 --> 00:07:23,841\n包委員我們已經開始在審議在詢答了我們跟財政部這邊有做了初步的一個你們的KPI什麼時候可以送出來我們應該在最近這兩週會送到行政院來做審議兩週送到行政院因為我們非常的希望因為運動發展部呢我們力拼今年要上路大家全體一起來朝野的委員都已經提案行政院還沒有出來這個覺得\n\n20\n00:07:26,294 --> 00:07:37,016\n怪怪的那個法條其實只有一個是名稱的更動那我們就覺得說那個不管是怎麼樣我們的行政院應該要負責任啊沒有問題啦要有願板嘛這會期一定會送進來大家併審喔一起來所以要趕快加油我們期待願板趕快進來大家好好討論因為這個產業運動產業發展條例我認為對我們台灣來講的面向是非常的重要我想這部分我們會達成共識啦\n\n21\n00:07:51,499 --> 00:07:59,085\n你是全力支持嗎有全力支持全力支持啊所以你速度要加快啊好嗎謝謝好謝謝謝謝楊卿瑩委員的質詢請官員回座謝謝接下來繼續質詢請林倩琦委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7219\t8541\t謝謝主席 本席邀請次長請次長備質詢 謝謝\n23350\t37931\t市長 本席從上一屆就提案希望可以訂定營養午餐的專訪這一屆也有很多委員提案基本上這已經是超越黨派的共同主張\n38932\t57378\t這一個會期教育委員會也召開過公聽會 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