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00:01:34,519\n因為明年有經典賽那後年可能又遇到那個十二強或者是那個奧運的那個選拔那二零二八會有奧運賽所以其實在討論結果說最可能是在二零二八之後是但是也有看到我們中華時報的會長也是我們立院同事蔡吉昌會長有講到他講的確實是目前比較有可能的時間點那站在站在教育部這邊當然未來的運動部我想也都會支持這樣之類\n\n5\n00:01:44,206 --> 00:02:04,384\n不管是教育部或是未來的運動部其實本席有一個很大的想法跟期待在於是說這雖然是NLB官方所主導的但是就各地方不管日本不管韓國其實他們政府的力量給予支持也有很大的一個部分那一樣台灣在棒球來講是我們的國球\n\n6\n00:02:04,864 --> 00:02:30,419\n我們也希望是說能夠把最高水準的比賽來到台灣甚至因為他們這一次到期跟小熊打他們還先跟日本的職棒球隊交流熱身所以他其實對於整體的運動產業發展帶動絕對是有正向幫助市長你同意吧對我想我同意就像韓子其實今年也來了三隊也在打熱身賽也引起了好幾千人在看所以我覺得那個是非常好的一個現象\n\n7\n00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:58,706\n所以我們從現在假設我當然不是說馬上期待說明年NLB就可以來我們這邊打海外賽但是如果假設以2028、2029為一個目標五年的一個計畫次長有什麼想法我跟你講身為球迷的你跟我我們都期待如果我們有這個能力來邀請那地方這個各民間也都配合包括中子大聯盟因為一定要是那個職棒聯盟來協助才有可能的話那我樂觀其成而且會全力促進\n\n8\n00:03:00,106 --> 00:03:14,114\n當然不只樂觀其成還要全力促成那促成很大的一個部分就是我們今天要提到的運產條例的一個修法24條跟26條嘛2021年的時候那時候大家一起共同推動就是讓它有150%的這樣的一個\n\n9\n00:03:16,335 --> 00:03:36,491\n優惠稅額能夠來支持我們的運動產業帶動整體的發展那我請教兩三年過去了這幾年的這個帶動投入這個產業的這個金額數量金額其實是在成長不過就是說到第二年已經到10億左右是然後到去年是11億左右那我們的上限是多少上限是30億30億還沒用到對啊\n\n10\n00:03:39,585 --> 00:04:00,081\n市長所以這是為什麼我們提出來修法這是環環相扣的喔就是說我們希望有更高水準的比賽來我們台灣但另外一個部分我們給予的不管是支持讓這些企業支持運動產業的部分我們有沒有那個可以在更鬆綁的空間或是更加強的力道因為2021年150%到現在我們那時候設了30億的天花板可是這兩年只有10億跟11億\n\n11\n00:04:08,527 --> 00:04:14,116\n所以距離那30%的天花板我們還有20億的成長空間那不能\n\n12\n00:04:15,578 --> 00:04:38,177\n我們就是想說那沒關係反正就150%要來院者上鉤要投就投不投拉倒所以本席以及我們今天不管藍綠的委員也都有提出相關的修法版本可能有希望是說調高200%250%等等的部分那請教因為你們今天教育部給我們的回覆是涉及公平性建議跟行政院版本並案討論\n\n13\n00:04:39,338 --> 00:05:01,480\n那什麼時候行政院版本會出來我們兩個禮拜後會送行政院兩個禮拜內送行政院檢查所以現在已經有研議了包括說可能討論我變到200%的時候可能會增加多少250%增加多少或者是因為每一個政策一定都會有邊際效應嘛我可能到哪一個程度的時候是收益最高你譬如說放寬到500%說不定反而沒有250%來的效果好\n\n14\n00:05:05,463 --> 00:05:20,434\n這點您可以理解嗎所以兩個禮拜後會送行政院那行政院會不會很快的還是要再交其他財政部等相關的部會甚至他有沒有辦法通過院版正式送到立法院有信心在這個會期送出來嗎\n\n15\n00:05:21,935 --> 00:05:45,394\n對我想一定會因為行政委員已經列為本會期的優先法案所以我們一定會送進來跟委員的案並審那在不管有沒有動的法條我們都願意來聆聽委員的意見好所以剛剛次長特別提到了就是說這個會期行政院運產條例24、26條以及其他條文的修正院版會送進來立法院我們在並案討論我們等你會期喔這個會期到531喔只剩兩個月喔\n\n16\n00:05:51,138 --> 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那也有人開始有討論我們有沒有機會因為去年是在韓國打MLB的海外賽今年在日本打MLB的海外賽那有沒有機會我們有爭取的空間其實已經在談就是說這個台灣也可以爭取不過如果從現實面來看\n76027\t94519\t因為明年有經典賽那後年可能又遇到那個十二強或者是那個奧運的那個選拔那二零二八會有奧運賽所以其實在討論結果說最可能是在二零二八之後是但是也有看到我們中華時報的會長也是我們立院同事蔡吉昌會長有講到他講的確實是目前比較有可能的時間點那站在站在教育部這邊當然未來的運動部我想也都會支持這樣之類\n104206\t124384\t不管是教育部或是未來的運動部其實本席有一個很大的想法跟期待在於是說這雖然是NLB官方所主導的但是就各地方不管日本不管韓國其實他們政府的力量給予支持也有很大的一個部分那一樣台灣在棒球來講是我們的國球\n124864\t150419\t我們也希望是說能夠把最高水準的比賽來到台灣甚至因為他們這一次到期跟小熊打他們還先跟日本的職棒球隊交流熱身所以他其實對於整體的運動產業發展帶動絕對是有正向幫助市長你同意吧對我想我同意就像韓子其實今年也來了三隊也在打熱身賽也引起了好幾千人在看所以我覺得那個是非常好的一個現象\n150759\t178706\t所以我們從現在假設我當然不是說馬上期待說明年NLB就可以來我們這邊打海外賽但是如果假設以2028、2029為一個目標五年的一個計畫次長有什麼想法我跟你講身為球迷的你跟我我們都期待如果我們有這個能力來邀請那地方這個各民間也都配合包括中子大聯盟因為一定要是那個職棒聯盟來協助才有可能的話那我樂觀其成而且會全力促進\n180106\t194114\t當然不只樂觀其成還要全力促成那促成很大的一個部分就是我們今天要提到的運產條例的一個修法24條跟26條嘛2021年的時候那時候大家一起共同推動就是讓它有150%的這樣的一個\n196335\t216491\t優惠稅額能夠來支持我們的運動產業帶動整體的發展那我請教兩三年過去了這幾年的這個帶動投入這個產業的這個金額數量金額其實是在成長不過就是說到第二年已經到10億左右是然後到去年是11億左右那我們的上限是多少上限是30億30億還沒用到對啊\n219585\t240081\t市長所以這是為什麼我們提出來修法這是環環相扣的喔就是說我們希望有更高水準的比賽來我們台灣但另外一個部分我們給予的不管是支持讓這些企業支持運動產業的部分我們有沒有那個可以在更鬆綁的空間或是更加強的力道因為2021年150%到現在我們那時候設了30億的天花板可是這兩年只有10億跟11億\n248527\t254116\t所以距離那30%的天花板我們還有20億的成長空間那不能\n255578\t278177\t我們就是想說那沒關係反正就150%要來院者上鉤要投就投不投拉倒所以本席以及我們今天不管藍綠的委員也都有提出相關的修法版本可能有希望是說調高200%250%等等的部分那請教因為你們今天教育部給我們的回覆是涉及公平性建議跟行政院版本並案討論\n279338\t301480\t那什麼時候行政院版本會出來我們兩個禮拜後會送行政院兩個禮拜內送行政院檢查所以現在已經有研議了包括說可能討論我變到200%的時候可能會增加多少250%增加多少或者是因為每一個政策一定都會有邊際效應嘛我可能到哪一個程度的時候是收益最高你譬如說放寬到500%說不定反而沒有250%來的效果好\n305463\t320434\t這點您可以理解嗎所以兩個禮拜後會送行政院那行政院會不會很快的還是要再交其他財政部等相關的部會甚至他有沒有辦法通過院版正式送到立法院有信心在這個會期送出來嗎\n321935\t345394\t對我想一定會因為行政委員已經列為本會期的優先法案所以我們一定會送進來跟委員的案並審那在不管有沒有動的法條我們都願意來聆聽委員的意見好所以剛剛次長特別提到了就是說這個會期行政院運產條例24、26條以及其他條文的修正院版會送進來立法院我們在並案討論我們等你會期喔這個會期到531喔只剩兩個月喔\n351138\t370496\tOK 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那也有人開始有討論我們有沒有機會因為去年是在韓國打MLB的海外賽今年在日本打MLB的海外賽那有沒有機會我們有爭取的空間其實已經在談就是說這個台灣也可以爭取不過如果從現實面來看\n因為明年有經典賽那後年可能又遇到那個十二強或者是那個奧運的那個選拔那二零二八會有奧運賽所以其實在討論結果說最可能是在二零二八之後是但是也有看到我們中華時報的會長也是我們立院同事蔡吉昌會長有講到他講的確實是目前比較有可能的時間點那站在站在教育部這邊當然未來的運動部我想也都會支持這樣之類\n不管是教育部或是未來的運動部其實本席有一個很大的想法跟期待在於是說這雖然是NLB官方所主導的但是就各地方不管日本不管韓國其實他們政府的力量給予支持也有很大的一個部分那一樣台灣在棒球來講是我們的國球\n我們也希望是說能夠把最高水準的比賽來到台灣甚至因為他們這一次到期跟小熊打他們還先跟日本的職棒球隊交流熱身所以他其實對於整體的運動產業發展帶動絕對是有正向幫助市長你同意吧對我想我同意就像韓子其實今年也來了三隊也在打熱身賽也引起了好幾千人在看所以我覺得那個是非常好的一個現象\n所以我們從現在假設我當然不是說馬上期待說明年NLB就可以來我們這邊打海外賽但是如果假設以2028、2029為一個目標五年的一個計畫次長有什麼想法我跟你講身為球迷的你跟我我們都期待如果我們有這個能力來邀請那地方這個各民間也都配合包括中子大聯盟因為一定要是那個職棒聯盟來協助才有可能的話那我樂觀其成而且會全力促進\n當然不只樂觀其成還要全力促成那促成很大的一個部分就是我們今天要提到的運產條例的一個修法24條跟26條嘛2021年的時候那時候大家一起共同推動就是讓它有150%的這樣的一個\n優惠稅額能夠來支持我們的運動產業帶動整體的發展那我請教兩三年過去了這幾年的這個帶動投入這個產業的這個金額數量金額其實是在成長不過就是說到第二年已經到10億左右是然後到去年是11億左右那我們的上限是多少上限是30億30億還沒用到對啊\n市長所以這是為什麼我們提出來修法這是環環相扣的喔就是說我們希望有更高水準的比賽來我們台灣但另外一個部分我們給予的不管是支持讓這些企業支持運動產業的部分我們有沒有那個可以在更鬆綁的空間或是更加強的力道因為2021年150%到現在我們那時候設了30億的天花板可是這兩年只有10億跟11億\n所以距離那30%的天花板我們還有20億的成長空間那不能\n我們就是想說那沒關係反正就150%要來院者上鉤要投就投不投拉倒所以本席以及我們今天不管藍綠的委員也都有提出相關的修法版本可能有希望是說調高200%250%等等的部分那請教因為你們今天教育部給我們的回覆是涉及公平性建議跟行政院版本並案討論\n那什麼時候行政院版本會出來我們兩個禮拜後會送行政院兩個禮拜內送行政院檢查所以現在已經有研議了包括說可能討論我變到200%的時候可能會增加多少250%增加多少或者是因為每一個政策一定都會有邊際效應嘛我可能到哪一個程度的時候是收益最高你譬如說放寬到500%說不定反而沒有250%來的效果好\n這點您可以理解嗎所以兩個禮拜後會送行政院那行政院會不會很快的還是要再交其他財政部等相關的部會甚至他有沒有辦法通過院版正式送到立法院有信心在這個會期送出來嗎\n對我想一定會因為行政委員已經列為本會期的優先法案所以我們一定會送進來跟委員的案並審那在不管有沒有動的法條我們都願意來聆聽委員的意見好所以剛剛次長特別提到了就是說這個會期行政院運產條例24、26條以及其他條文的修正院版會送進來立法院我們在並案討論我們等你會期喔這個會期到531喔只剩兩個月喔\nOK 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審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案（僅進行詢答）；二、審\n查「運動產業發展條例」：(一) 審查委員柯志恩等22人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十四條及\n第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(二) 審查委員張智倫等 18 人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(三) 審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「運動產業發展條例第\n二十四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(四) 審查委員王鴻薇等 19 人擬具「運動產業發展\n條例第二十四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(五) 審查委員林倩綺等22人擬具「運動產業\n發展條例第四條條文修正草案」案、(六) 審查委員沈發惠等19人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二\n條條文修正草案」案、(七) 審查委員許宇甄等17人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十四條及第二\n十六條條文修正草案」案、(八)審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二條、第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」、(九)審查委員楊瓊瓔等27人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1142901_00003"}}}