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00:01:10,116\n在營養不好吃孩子不願意吃全部都丟掉那叫做浪費到最後變成下午去買零食一下課衝去買零食買飲品這個就被造成最後肥胖症我們台灣的孩子很多只是超過營養不良的狀況太瘦或太胖都有反而是不健康這個是我要關注的議題那我也關注到兒萌為國中生營養午餐評分的時候其實只有對於我們現在營養午餐只有51.4\n\n4\n00:01:11,777 --> 00:01:16,539\n這是一個不及格的分數營養午餐不夠營養或不夠好吃這都是現在的問題那因為我今天時間不夠多包括我們現在營養午餐每週供應兩次以上的眼菜罐頭還有碗內的食品還有包括還有重組的七塊培根等等都是有問題的那整理而言不到三成也就是27.9%的菜色全部被吃光這就是我剛才講的\n\n5\n00:01:36,185 --> 00:01:53,427\n營養午餐味道不夠好太油或這都造成剩菜的原因到最後變成孩子去下課趕快衝去買零食來裹腹這個是現在最大的問題那另外一塊也就是我們現在的營養午餐其實就是我們現在食安系統性的另外一個\n\n6\n00:01:54,528 --> 00:02:20,100\n有可能發生問題因為餐點常常比較早做悶了好久或不夠安全或運送的過程有問題反而造成系統性的食安問題這個是我們現在發生最大的狀況包括現在2023年有1491人攝取我們的營養午餐發生問題所以營養午餐有可能有系統性的問題所以\n\n7\n00:02:21,661 --> 00:02:48,124\n我要就教於正次你也是父親我想我們都有同樣的感覺知道營養午餐的這個草案其實非常重要我們2019年就已經提出來我們希望趕快把這個營養午餐條例可以出去但現在都已經是第三個會期談到現在所以我們營養午餐法我非常希望在這一次大家各政黨支持之下不同版本大家有共識之下可以盡速的完成\n\n8\n00:02:48,624 --> 00:03:11,441\n那我們現在營養午餐的這個全國大概只有630名營養師在做協助其他沒有營養師的部分就是教職員護理師營養師兼任有營養師的也就算了但是這次你應該清楚知道我要講的現在學校的老師教職員又有行政業務又要教學又要背新的課程\n\n9\n00:03:12,322 --> 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我希望等一下你對我的回應也可以像回答洪孟凱這樣子我想這幾個條例不管是哪一個政黨委員大家都很關注希望可以這個會期通過部長我是一個孩子的媽媽我相信你也是為人父我應該沒錯嗎學校的營養午餐非常重要不僅要兼顧他是足夠營養但更重要的是他要好吃\n在營養不好吃孩子不願意吃全部都丟掉那叫做浪費到最後變成下午去買零食一下課衝去買零食買飲品這個就被造成最後肥胖症我們台灣的孩子很多只是超過營養不良的狀況太瘦或太胖都有反而是不健康這個是我要關注的議題那我也關注到兒萌為國中生營養午餐評分的時候其實只有對於我們現在營養午餐只有51.4\n這是一個不及格的分數營養午餐不夠營養或不夠好吃這都是現在的問題那因為我今天時間不夠多包括我們現在營養午餐每週供應兩次以上的眼菜罐頭還有碗內的食品還有包括還有重組的七塊培根等等都是有問題的那整理而言不到三成也就是27.9%的菜色全部被吃光這就是我剛才講的\n營養午餐味道不夠好太油或這都造成剩菜的原因到最後變成孩子去下課趕快衝去買零食來裹腹這個是現在最大的問題那另外一塊也就是我們現在的營養午餐其實就是我們現在食安系統性的另外一個\n有可能發生問題因為餐點常常比較早做悶了好久或不夠安全或運送的過程有問題反而造成系統性的食安問題這個是我們現在發生最大的狀況包括現在2023年有1491人攝取我們的營養午餐發生問題所以營養午餐有可能有系統性的問題所以\n我要就教於正次你也是父親我想我們都有同樣的感覺知道營養午餐的這個草案其實非常重要我們2019年就已經提出來我們希望趕快把這個營養午餐條例可以出去但現在都已經是第三個會期談到現在所以我們營養午餐法我非常希望在這一次大家各政黨支持之下不同版本大家有共識之下可以盡速的完成\n那我們現在營養午餐的這個全國大概只有630名營養師在做協助其他沒有營養師的部分就是教職員護理師營養師兼任有營養師的也就算了但是這次你應該清楚知道我要講的現在學校的老師教職員又有行政業務又要教學又要背新的課程\n其實是非常辛苦他還要再堅韌管理營養午餐所以營養午餐管不管得好你我心裡都有數所以很難把營養午餐照顧得全心全意我們希望達到的目標做得更好\n這就是現在在學校營養午餐的問題這也是凸顯出我們營養午餐條例這個法案競訴必須要送出最主要的目的所以我想你我都不希望都希望回歸到專職去處理營養午餐絕對不再是由教職員兼職我說到現在你應該同意我的說法\n教職員兼職已經改善了就是現在的那個比例已經降低就是這幾年來108年我們大概提出午餐專法還沒有立專法之前我們也是依照學校衛生法在做管理我知道但是你降低了比例其實這都不應該是\n都不應該是教職員去兼任我知道你有降低但是但是他畢竟不是專業嘛我們希望就是由營養師來去做處理由護理師來去做處理由教職員來做處理雖然你說降低比例但由他來處理還是怪怪的\n所以我覺得這不應該是我覺得我們的目標應該是由專人來去處理營養午餐我們的目標應該是這樣而不是由教職員來專任嘛那我覺得這個都不是應該是我們教育部主管應該有的態度所以這是第一個點我覺得這個法案送出去大家有共識盡速的處理因為已經談了三個會期了我想大家有共識應該盡速的處理\n那另外我要提到就是譬如說芬蘭跟瑞典他們有提供就是說提供義務教育的營養午餐包括日本都有給食的相關的設備包括運送的過程經費都是有國家負擔所以我再次提醒就是說我們這個法案送出的時候有一些學校我們可能經費不足或偏鄉經費不足我們應該去思考說包括給食的設備包括營運的這部分陸續都有補償\n對,我們希望不是故事,因為有的地方有,有的地方多,有的地方少。所以,鄭次,我想這個部分,我覺得我都希望是整部法案裡面,我們把它討論得更周延,更完整,不會有偏鄉成鄉的差距。這是以上我今天質詢的重點,也希望這個會期大家有共識可以儘速地通過。好,謝謝委員關心。謝謝鄭次,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.750 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