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00:02:57,728\n補助經濟優勢學生午餐21億然後學校午餐採用國產可溯源的食材補助38億然後推動中央這個偏鄉學校中央廚房計畫15億這74億這74億是我們是全額補助地方嗎是我們都是全額補助地方這74億就是中央負擔的部分全部都是中央負擔好\n\n10\n00:02:59,470 --> 00:03:16,571\n現在因為負議案沒有過中央的整個預算大概有3700多億要下放到地方我們先不管國防預算光是教育部的預算大概有28%左右會被釋出所以接下來這74億的補助就沒有辦法\n\n11\n00:03:18,473 --> 00:03:44,932\n就是要由地方自己來處理就對了我們是認為如果將來要去談這個權利義務的話那這一部分應該我參與地方制度法裡面規定是地方權限所以這一部分是不是能夠移交由地方來負擔就是我們一直在談這個錢跟權要把它談清楚那如果說地方現在因為財化法釋出了這麼多的財源那所以呢在這部分的話就是中央希望說未來就是由地方政府自己來做處理就對了\n\n12\n00:03:45,712 --> 00:04:00,400\n我們目前是這樣子的一個方向然後還有說這個26億是這個有關這個營養師午餐的這個殖密還有廚房設備等等這總共加起來26億是如果我們這一次的專法在修的話最少\n\n13\n00:04:01,861 --> 00:04:25,552\n最少譬如說營養師我們按照這個布板的五百五十人一個的話那我們必須要再增加兩百六十三那大概兩億七千多萬那這部分其實都用在國中小啦所以我們是希望說是不是就由財化法之後他的財源增加了就是由地方來吸收那這個部分修法還沒修嘛那你修法之後增加地方的負擔是不是應該跟地方政府跟他協商好\n\n14\n00:04:26,452 --> 00:04:54,953\n對那有些地方財化法受益比較多有些地方他覺得他沒有受益那這個要如何協調也是一個技術啦好那所以我聽很多委員對次長這個質詢還有你的回覆就是說我們教育部希望這個未來如果有一個營養午餐專法的話精神你們都是支持我們是支持的但是在預算這方面在經費這方面能夠再跟地方政府對中央地方一起來談啦就是說這個\n\n15\n00:04:56,214 --> 00:05:18,141\n這個權利義務真的要談清楚我們來修法那個將來才有辦法落實或者那個教育金會這樣處在不穩定的狀況下那裁判法到底會影響教育部多少預算大家都還在談所以是談好我們沒有辦法輕易在修法過程裡面承諾要跟過去一樣百分之百補助地方所以是談好之後沒有能力啦教育部會有個版本出來嗎如果能夠談成的話如果能夠談成的話\n\n16\n00:05:24,263 --> 00:05:40,091\n那這個是有關營養午餐這部分那我再用一點點時間我談一下昨天這一個在台中發生一個事情就是一個台中的一個小學的一個棒球教練那他被查出來就是說他被檢方都起訴了嘛\n\n17\n00:05:40,771 --> 00:05:59,642\n他這個罪行是非常的重大七年的期間對41名學童下手犯案的次數高達90次然後檢察官說要請法院從重量刑那這個已經是最後的結果我在想說過程前面的這個原因就是說這其實這個松信教練\n\n18\n00:06:00,362 --> 00:06:14,634\n他已經有這一個前科了他也被判緩刑了但是呢他持良民證進入學校擔任教練我請問一下這個我們的機制出了問題還是台中市政府教育局這個學校出了問題\n\n19\n00:06:15,697 --> 00:06:36,713\n報告委員,我想這個機制我們前一陣子有去做,透過國大教育署跟地方有做一個補強,就是說他們學校人員會輪動,所以承辦人員常常忘記要去做不適任教室的查詢,那我們現在要求他們每個學校在聘外聘教練的時候都要去做合約的簽訂,教練本身要願意給個資,然後學校這邊也提醒這個承辦人員一定要去做不適任教室的查詢,把這個洞補起來。\n\n20\n00:06:37,961 --> 00:07:05,818\n所以是現在是發生是這個學校他們沒有去做查詢那如果他們有查詢的話是查得到嗎是查得到不一定不一定喔我們這個這個個案是查得到的吧這個個案是查得到的那什麼情況下會查不到報告委員那個就是在應該說過去啦社團的部分在不是學校的編制內或者是計劃前教練的部分的確有這樣的漏洞那目前已經開始跟補起來了\n\n21\n00:07:06,098 --> 00:07:29,232\n有補起來了嗎我們跟古道署這邊目前正在做這個討論已經署長這邊已經跟我做一個討論所以我這樣聽是還沒有補起來就對了就是說他是屬於因為學校都有課後的社團課後社團這一部分的因為他不一定是老師可是他們進來學校教課那所以他有可能他沒有在這一個記錄裡面通報的這個記錄裡面就對了\n\n22\n00:07:34,591 --> 00:07:49,214\n對如果說你要進入校園大概都會去取得良民證嘛那良民證裡面就會有他有沒有前科這是最基本的這有確定嗎對對對他就會去查那查的話當然我們就把它放在那個系統裡面去查如果是確定沒有的話那就沒有如果有的話\n\n23\n00:07:49,955 --> 00:08:07,601\n那沒有被查出來那當然就是這個過程就會有問題但是剛剛這個署長他所提到的說有關於有關於這部分就是說他是課後社團的這些老師咧要不要我看這個國教署長跟這個體育署長在這個種類很多啦要不要一個比較完整性的一個回答\n\n24\n00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:33,027\n性平的案件只要進入校園教任何的外聘教練不管是屬於什麼性質的他只要犯到類似性平的案件都會進入?都會有嗎?確定嗎?這要確定喔?那我在講就是說現在還是說那個學校的一個棒球隊還有另外一個教練他也涉及到這個性平的案件\n\n25\n00:08:33,627 --> 00:08:42,781\n但是呢他說這個沒有達到不得聘任外聘教練的必要程度那所以呢這是去年十二月底我不確定說現在的資料怎麼樣後來上風嘛那後來咧後來把它上風\n\n26\n00:08:47,349 --> 00:09:06,708\n後來他還有在其他學校繼續擔任教練嗎我想你關心的是我們會把這個資料再給委員是這個時間關係好不好那我想請部外官員用書面方式來回覆這不能讓這個已經有這個這個性平安健的這一個教練再繼續再擔任教練的啊這個洞你們要補起來啊我們會跟地方政府好好研商好謝謝好謝謝市長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8853\t23679\t謝謝主席 請次長 大家辛苦了請次長被質詢 辛苦了 謝謝我們今天在談這個營養午餐 結果大家午餐都還沒有吃喔委員好 不吃這個 我在去年 我們有辦過共聽會\n25059\t40656\t關於這個營養午餐有辦過公聽會那其實在去年底的時候的總諮詢我也問過卓院長就是說本席當然是希望能夠制定這個學校午餐的專法當然有幾個點出來就是說第一個我們這個要強化兒少的\n41978\t60295\t這個飲食的營養的教育那補足校園午餐的專業能力那第二個呢確保這個學校的營養午餐的經費能夠透明公開那第三個呢這個是減少就是鼓勵學校自設廚房啦就是減少食安的風險那第四個呢就是讓營養午餐成為這個教育的一環啦\n60996\t78721\t那當時候我是有這個想法啦那我在總諮詢的時候也問這個卓院長就是當時候的這個黑牌大廚啊這個韓國內營級這裡面有一位進入這個前十名是一個學餐的廚師叫做李美英\n79641\t86184\t然後呢 這個為什麼韓國的這個學生廚師能夠進入這一個黑白大廚的前十名那發現說 這個韓國因為他們有這一個學校給食法\n92316\t103326\t每個學校他們的廚房都是用公辦公營的模式所以每個學童每餐的預算高達新台幣是200塊所以他們預算夠而且是公辦公營能夠讓廚師廚工能夠做出非常美味讓學生能夠吃的\n113356\t130301\t很好 也很有營養的這個營養午餐其實那時候我還問這個卓院長說那是不是這個能夠去學校吃一下營養午餐看一下說現在的這個營養午餐跟他所認為的營養午餐有沒有這個差別\n132992\t152183\t談到這邊我主要還是要問這個次長因為這個財劃法這個覆議案沒有過那在你們的報告裡面有提到我認為這還是主要的原因就是說財劃法沒有通過所以你們每年要補助這個經濟弱勢學生的這個74億總共加起來74億就是\n157487\t177728\t補助經濟優勢學生午餐21億然後學校午餐採用國產可溯源的食材補助38億然後推動中央這個偏鄉學校中央廚房計畫15億這74億這74億是我們是全額補助地方嗎是我們都是全額補助地方這74億就是中央負擔的部分全部都是中央負擔好\n179470\t196571\t現在因為負議案沒有過 中央的整個預算大概有3700多億要下放到地方我們先不管國防預算 光是教育部的預算大概有28%左右會被釋出所以接下來這74億的補助就沒有辦法\n198473\t224932\t就是要由地方自己來處理就對了我們是認為如果將來要去談這個權利義務的話那這一部分應該我參與地方制度法裡面規定是地方權限所以這一部分是不是能夠移交由地方來負擔就是我們一直在談這個錢跟權要把它談清楚那如果說地方現在因為財化法釋出了這麼多的財源那所以呢在這部分的話就是中央希望說未來就是由地方政府自己來做處理就對了\n225712\t240400\t我們目前是這樣子的一個方向然後還有說這個26億是這個有關這個營養師午餐的這個殖密還有廚房設備等等這總共加起來26億是如果我們這一次的專法在修的話最少\n241861\t265552\t最少 譬如說營養師我們按照這個布板的五百五十人一個的話那我們必須要再增加兩百六十三那大概兩億七千多萬那這部分其實都用在國中小啦所以我們是希望說是不是就由財化法之後他的財源增加了就是由地方來吸收那這個部分修法還沒修嘛那你修法之後增加地方的負擔是不是應該跟地方政府跟他協商好\n266452\t294953\t對 那有些地方財化法受益比較多有些地方他覺得他沒有受益那這個要如何協調也是一個技術啦好 那所以我聽很多委員對次長這個質詢還有你的回覆就是說我們教育部希望這個未來如果有一個營養午餐專法的話精神你們都是支持我們是支持的但是在預算這方面在經費這方面能夠再跟地方政府對 中央地方一起來談啦就是說這個\n296214\t318141\t這個權利義務真的要談清楚我們來修法那個將來才有辦法落實或者那個教育金會這樣處在不穩定的狀況下那裁判法到底會影響教育部多少預算大家都還在談所以是談好我們沒有辦法輕易在修法過程裡面承諾要跟過去一樣百分之百補助地方所以是談好之後沒有能力啦教育部會有個版本出來嗎如果能夠談成的話如果能夠談成的話\n324263\t340091\t那這個是有關營養午餐這部分那我再用一點點時間我談一下昨天這一個在台中發生一個事情就是一個台中的一個小學的一個棒球教練那他被查出來就是說他被檢方都起訴了嘛\n340771\t359642\t他這個罪行是非常的重大七年的期間對41名學童下手犯案的次數高達90次然後檢察官說要請法院從重量刑那這個已經是最後的結果我在想說過程前面的這個原因就是說這其實這個松信教練\n360362\t374634\t他已經有這一個前科了 他也被判緩刑了但是呢 他持良民證進入學校擔任教練我請問一下 這個我們的機制出了問題還是台中市政府教育局這個學校出了問題\n375697\t396713\t報告委員,我想這個機制我們前一陣子有去做,透過國大教育署跟地方有做一個補強,就是說他們學校人員會輪動,所以承辦人員常常忘記要去做不適任教室的查詢,那我們現在要求他們每個學校在聘外聘教練的時候都要去做合約的簽訂,教練本身要願意給個資,然後學校這邊也提醒這個承辦人員一定要去做不適任教室的查詢,把這個洞補起來。\n397961\t425818\t所以是現在是發生是這個學校他們沒有去做查詢那如果他們有查詢的話是查得到嗎是查得到不一定不一定喔我們這個這個個案是查得到的吧這個個案是查得到的那什麼情況下會查不到報告委員那個就是在應該說過去啦社團的部分在不是學校的編制內或者是計劃前教練的部分的確有這樣的漏洞那目前已經開始跟補起來了\n426098\t449232\t有補起來了嗎我們跟古道署這邊目前正在做這個討論已經署長這邊已經跟我做一個討論所以我這樣聽是還沒有補起來就對了就是說他是屬於因為學校都有課後的社團課後社團這一部分的因為他不一定是老師可是他們進來學校教課那所以他有可能他沒有在這一個記錄裡面通報的這個記錄裡面就對了\n454591\t469214\t對如果說你要進入校園大概都會去取得良民證嘛那良民證裡面就會有他有沒有前科這是最基本的這有確定嗎對對對他就會去查那查的話當然我們就把它放在那個系統裡面去查如果是確定沒有的話那就沒有如果有的話\n469955\t487601\t那沒有被查出來那當然就是這個過程就會有問題但是剛剛這個署長他所提到的說有關於有關於這部分就是說他是課後社團的這些老師咧要不要我看這個國教署長跟這個體育署長在這個種類很多啦要不要一個比較完整性的一個回答\n489560\t513027\t性平的案件只要進入校園教任何的外聘教練不管是屬於什麼性質的他只要犯到類似性平的案件都會進入?都會有嗎?確定嗎?這要確定喔?那我在講就是說現在還是說那個學校的一個棒球隊還有另外一個教練他也涉及到這個性平的案件\n513627\t522781\t但是呢他說這個沒有達到不得聘任外聘教練的必要程度那所以呢這是去年十二月底我不確定說現在的資料怎麼樣後來上風嘛那後來咧後來把它上風\n527349\t546708\t後來他還有在其他學校繼續擔任教練嗎我想你關心的是我們會把這個資料再給委員是 這個時間關係好不好 那我想請部外官員用書面方式來回覆這不能讓這個已經有這個這個性平安健的這一個教練再繼續再擔任教練的啊這個洞你們要補起來啊我們會跟地方政府好好研商好 謝謝好 謝謝市長 謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請次長 大家辛苦了請次長被質詢 辛苦了 謝謝我們今天在談這個營養午餐 結果大家午餐都還沒有吃喔委員好 不吃這個 我在去年 我們有辦過共聽會\n關於這個營養午餐有辦過公聽會那其實在去年底的時候的總諮詢我也問過卓院長就是說本席當然是希望能夠制定這個學校午餐的專法當然有幾個點出來就是說第一個我們這個要強化兒少的\n這個飲食的營養的教育那補足校園午餐的專業能力那第二個呢確保這個學校的營養午餐的經費能夠透明公開那第三個呢這個是減少就是鼓勵學校自設廚房啦就是減少食安的風險那第四個呢就是讓營養午餐成為這個教育的一環啦\n那當時候我是有這個想法啦那我在總諮詢的時候也問這個卓院長就是當時候的這個黑牌大廚啊這個韓國內營級這裡面有一位進入這個前十名是一個學餐的廚師叫做李美英\n然後呢 這個為什麼韓國的這個學生廚師能夠進入這一個黑白大廚的前十名那發現說 這個韓國因為他們有這一個學校給食法\n每個學校他們的廚房都是用公辦公營的模式所以每個學童每餐的預算高達新台幣是200塊所以他們預算夠而且是公辦公營能夠讓廚師廚工能夠做出非常美味讓學生能夠吃的\n很好 也很有營養的這個營養午餐其實那時候我還問這個卓院長說那是不是這個能夠去學校吃一下營養午餐看一下說現在的這個營養午餐跟他所認為的營養午餐有沒有這個差別\n談到這邊我主要還是要問這個次長因為這個財劃法這個覆議案沒有過那在你們的報告裡面有提到我認為這還是主要的原因就是說財劃法沒有通過所以你們每年要補助這個經濟弱勢學生的這個74億總共加起來74億就是\n補助經濟優勢學生午餐21億然後學校午餐採用國產可溯源的食材補助38億然後推動中央這個偏鄉學校中央廚房計畫15億這74億這74億是我們是全額補助地方嗎是我們都是全額補助地方這74億就是中央負擔的部分全部都是中央負擔好\n現在因為負議案沒有過 中央的整個預算大概有3700多億要下放到地方我們先不管國防預算 光是教育部的預算大概有28%左右會被釋出所以接下來這74億的補助就沒有辦法\n就是要由地方自己來處理就對了我們是認為如果將來要去談這個權利義務的話那這一部分應該我參與地方制度法裡面規定是地方權限所以這一部分是不是能夠移交由地方來負擔就是我們一直在談這個錢跟權要把它談清楚那如果說地方現在因為財化法釋出了這麼多的財源那所以呢在這部分的話就是中央希望說未來就是由地方政府自己來做處理就對了\n我們目前是這樣子的一個方向然後還有說這個26億是這個有關這個營養師午餐的這個殖密還有廚房設備等等這總共加起來26億是如果我們這一次的專法在修的話最少\n最少 譬如說營養師我們按照這個布板的五百五十人一個的話那我們必須要再增加兩百六十三那大概兩億七千多萬那這部分其實都用在國中小啦所以我們是希望說是不是就由財化法之後他的財源增加了就是由地方來吸收那這個部分修法還沒修嘛那你修法之後增加地方的負擔是不是應該跟地方政府跟他協商好\n對 那有些地方財化法受益比較多有些地方他覺得他沒有受益那這個要如何協調也是一個技術啦好 那所以我聽很多委員對次長這個質詢還有你的回覆就是說我們教育部希望這個未來如果有一個營養午餐專法的話精神你們都是支持我們是支持的但是在預算這方面在經費這方面能夠再跟地方政府對 中央地方一起來談啦就是說這個\n這個權利義務真的要談清楚我們來修法那個將來才有辦法落實或者那個教育金會這樣處在不穩定的狀況下那裁判法到底會影響教育部多少預算大家都還在談所以是談好我們沒有辦法輕易在修法過程裡面承諾要跟過去一樣百分之百補助地方所以是談好之後沒有能力啦教育部會有個版本出來嗎如果能夠談成的話如果能夠談成的話\n那這個是有關營養午餐這部分那我再用一點點時間我談一下昨天這一個在台中發生一個事情就是一個台中的一個小學的一個棒球教練那他被查出來就是說他被檢方都起訴了嘛\n他這個罪行是非常的重大七年的期間對41名學童下手犯案的次數高達90次然後檢察官說要請法院從重量刑那這個已經是最後的結果我在想說過程前面的這個原因就是說這其實這個松信教練\n他已經有這一個前科了 他也被判緩刑了但是呢 他持良民證進入學校擔任教練我請問一下 這個我們的機制出了問題還是台中市政府教育局這個學校出了問題\n報告委員,我想這個機制我們前一陣子有去做,透過國大教育署跟地方有做一個補強,就是說他們學校人員會輪動,所以承辦人員常常忘記要去做不適任教室的查詢,那我們現在要求他們每個學校在聘外聘教練的時候都要去做合約的簽訂,教練本身要願意給個資,然後學校這邊也提醒這個承辦人員一定要去做不適任教室的查詢,把這個洞補起來。\n所以是現在是發生是這個學校他們沒有去做查詢那如果他們有查詢的話是查得到嗎是查得到不一定不一定喔我們這個這個個案是查得到的吧這個個案是查得到的那什麼情況下會查不到報告委員那個就是在應該說過去啦社團的部分在不是學校的編制內或者是計劃前教練的部分的確有這樣的漏洞那目前已經開始跟補起來了\n有補起來了嗎我們跟古道署這邊目前正在做這個討論已經署長這邊已經跟我做一個討論所以我這樣聽是還沒有補起來就對了就是說他是屬於因為學校都有課後的社團課後社團這一部分的因為他不一定是老師可是他們進來學校教課那所以他有可能他沒有在這一個記錄裡面通報的這個記錄裡面就對了\n對如果說你要進入校園大概都會去取得良民證嘛那良民證裡面就會有他有沒有前科這是最基本的這有確定嗎對對對他就會去查那查的話當然我們就把它放在那個系統裡面去查如果是確定沒有的話那就沒有如果有的話\n那沒有被查出來那當然就是這個過程就會有問題但是剛剛這個署長他所提到的說有關於有關於這部分就是說他是課後社團的這些老師咧要不要我看這個國教署長跟這個體育署長在這個種類很多啦要不要一個比較完整性的一個回答\n性平的案件只要進入校園教任何的外聘教練不管是屬於什麼性質的他只要犯到類似性平的案件都會進入?都會有嗎?確定嗎?這要確定喔?那我在講就是說現在還是說那個學校的一個棒球隊還有另外一個教練他也涉及到這個性平的案件\n但是呢他說這個沒有達到不得聘任外聘教練的必要程度那所以呢這是去年十二月底我不確定說現在的資料怎麼樣後來上風嘛那後來咧後來把它上風\n後來他還有在其他學校繼續擔任教練嗎我想你關心的是我們會把這個資料再給委員是 這個時間關係好不好 那我想請部外官員用書面方式來回覆這不能讓這個已經有這個這個性平安健的這一個教練再繼續再擔任教練的啊這個洞你們要補起來啊我們會跟地方政府好好研商好 謝謝好 謝謝市長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.853 --> 00:23.679\n謝謝主席請次長大家辛苦了請次長被質詢辛苦了謝謝我們今天在談這個營養午餐結果大家午餐都還沒有吃喔委員好不吃這個我在去年我們有辦過共聽會\n\n00:25.059 --> 00:40.656\n關於這個營養午餐有辦過公聽會那其實在去年底的時候的總諮詢我也問過卓院長就是說本席當然是希望能夠制定這個學校午餐的專法當然有幾個點出來就是說第一個我們這個要強化兒少的\n\n00:41.978 --> 01:00.295\n這個飲食的營養的教育那補足校園午餐的專業能力那第二個呢確保這個學校的營養午餐的經費能夠透明公開那第三個呢這個是減少就是鼓勵學校自設廚房啦就是減少食安的風險那第四個呢就是讓營養午餐成為這個教育的一環啦\n\n01:00.996 --> 01:18.721\n那當時候我是有這個想法啦那我在總諮詢的時候也問這個卓院長就是當時候的這個黑牌大廚啊這個韓國內營級這裡面有一位進入這個前十名是一個學餐的廚師叫做李美英\n\n01:19.641 --> 01:26.184\n然後呢這個為什麼韓國的這個學生廚師能夠進入這一個黑白大廚的前十名那發現說這個韓國因為他們有這一個學校給食法\n\n01:32.316 --> 01:43.326\n每個學校他們的廚房都是用公辦公營的模式所以每個學童每餐的預算高達新台幣是200塊所以他們預算夠而且是公辦公營能夠讓廚師廚工能夠做出非常美味讓學生能夠吃的\n\n01:53.356 --> 02:10.301\n很好也很有營養的這個營養午餐其實那時候我還問這個卓院長說那是不是這個能夠去學校吃一下營養午餐看一下說現在的這個營養午餐跟他所認為的營養午餐有沒有這個差別\n\n02:12.992 --> 02:32.183\n談到這邊我主要還是要問這個次長因為這個財劃法這個覆議案沒有過那在你們的報告裡面有提到我認為這還是主要的原因就是說財劃法沒有通過所以你們每年要補助這個經濟弱勢學生的這個74億總共加起來74億就是\n\n02:37.487 --> 02:57.728\n補助經濟優勢學生午餐21億然後學校午餐採用國產可溯源的食材補助38億然後推動中央這個偏鄉學校中央廚房計畫15億這74億這74億是我們是全額補助地方嗎是我們都是全額補助地方這74億就是中央負擔的部分全部都是中央負擔好\n\n02:59.470 --> 03:16.571\n現在因為負議案沒有過中央的整個預算大概有3700多億要下放到地方我們先不管國防預算光是教育部的預算大概有28%左右會被釋出所以接下來這74億的補助就沒有辦法\n\n03:18.473 --> 03:44.932\n就是要由地方自己來處理就對了我們是認為如果將來要去談這個權利義務的話那這一部分應該我參與地方制度法裡面規定是地方權限所以這一部分是不是能夠移交由地方來負擔就是我們一直在談這個錢跟權要把它談清楚那如果說地方現在因為財化法釋出了這麼多的財源那所以呢在這部分的話就是中央希望說未來就是由地方政府自己來做處理就對了\n\n03:45.712 --> 04:00.400\n我們目前是這樣子的一個方向然後還有說這個26億是這個有關這個營養師午餐的這個殖密還有廚房設備等等這總共加起來26億是如果我們這一次的專法在修的話最少\n\n04:01.861 --> 04:25.552\n最少譬如說營養師我們按照這個布板的五百五十人一個的話那我們必須要再增加兩百六十三那大概兩億七千多萬那這部分其實都用在國中小啦所以我們是希望說是不是就由財化法之後他的財源增加了就是由地方來吸收那這個部分修法還沒修嘛那你修法之後增加地方的負擔是不是應該跟地方政府跟他協商好\n\n04:26.452 --> 04:54.953\n對那有些地方財化法受益比較多有些地方他覺得他沒有受益那這個要如何協調也是一個技術啦好那所以我聽很多委員對次長這個質詢還有你的回覆就是說我們教育部希望這個未來如果有一個營養午餐專法的話精神你們都是支持我們是支持的但是在預算這方面在經費這方面能夠再跟地方政府對中央地方一起來談啦就是說這個\n\n04:56.214 --> 05:18.141\n這個權利義務真的要談清楚我們來修法那個將來才有辦法落實或者那個教育金會這樣處在不穩定的狀況下那裁判法到底會影響教育部多少預算大家都還在談所以是談好我們沒有辦法輕易在修法過程裡面承諾要跟過去一樣百分之百補助地方所以是談好之後沒有能力啦教育部會有個版本出來嗎如果能夠談成的話如果能夠談成的話\n\n05:24.263 --> 05:40.091\n那這個是有關營養午餐這部分那我再用一點點時間我談一下昨天這一個在台中發生一個事情就是一個台中的一個小學的一個棒球教練那他被查出來就是說他被檢方都起訴了嘛\n\n05:40.771 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