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00:02:56,502\n那這了解以後他到底是誰是哪一個縣市他是什麼樣的部會的預算經過刪減這到底存不存在這個人有沒有了解我們沒有辦法去查到這個啦因為新聞有出來媒體有出來那媒體查證是否屬實這個教育部如何等一下部長次長\n\n9\n00:02:57,543 --> 00:03:20,519\n有學生的權益疑似受損了市長不需要去了解一下嗎委員剛才你提的是說要叫我去查證嘛那我們查證的預算的部分確實沒有刪除也跟委員回覆了你預算沒有刪減謝謝你們說明啊有學生權益受損我就問您學生權益受損教育部有沒有責任去協助當然有責任\n\n10\n00:03:20,899 --> 00:03:33,627\n有沒有責任要去了解請問這個狀況他到底是誰存不存在哪一個預算影響到他有嗎我們當然有去了解但是這個部分就不是這個部分對所以我希望他來說明嘛對\n\n11\n00:03:39,991 --> 00:04:05,308\n跟委員說明我想這個情況我們也是看到新聞出來那我們有去了解這個新聞的源頭並沒有指明是教育部的獎學金我不是對不起這個我們都清楚了第一這個事件存不存在第二有沒有這個人第三你們有沒有去詢問這個學生的權益是否真的受損因為其他的哪些原因\n\n12\n00:04:06,309 --> 00:04:34,859\n有沒有有或沒有不好意思我們的學生不會受到影響是因為我們的經費都已經是確定這名學生是沒有揭露任何訊息的只是依據新聞的報載教育部有沒有責任了解我問到現在你們現在就是把問題放在那裡嘛然後呢我就說喔跟我無關我們沒有刪減凍結我當然很謝謝你們說明啊學生如果真的存在學生有權益受準了\n\n13\n00:04:36,313 --> 00:04:58,635\n這不是教育部的範圍嗎因為這個新聞所揭露的對象的背景真的太模糊您知道那個老師的名字有出現嗎對嘛有沒有出現請後面的同仁說明有沒有出現報告委員這名老師的後來後來他自己也有說明不是教育部的對我對不起我還是在說請問\n\n14\n00:05:00,797 --> 00:05:18,015\n我們已經知道謝謝再三的說明不是教育部的預算刪減動靜有學生的權益受損教育部要不要去了解關心嘛這麼簡單的問題耶我想還是跟委員說明就像我們公費報考的人數不一定是學生\n\n15\n00:05:19,355 --> 00:05:33,697\n所以他有可能是在職中或者是其他的已經就業的其他部會或者是什麼各種各樣的所以只要不是學生他出國就學就跟我們的這個教育部完全沒有任何關係嗎確定嗎\n\n16\n00:05:37,282 --> 00:05:37,843\n他已經在網路上求救啦\n\n17\n00:05:53,405 --> 00:05:56,988\n沒有關係我覺得這種態度全國民眾都看到了我們的教育部設定了各種的可能性所以我們教育部不用理解我們的部分我們澄清了你還說他也許不是學生至少你聽到你同仁的說法嗎有沒有確認他是不是學生沒有被刪除的沒有影響的\n\n18\n00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:34,739\n但是剛才這個提到的是說因為其他部會也有或許像外交部啦國科會啦或者是其他部會是有的就跟你們無關這個不是跟我們無關就是說我們比較難那如果他是學生受到影響就跟你們有關嘛他就沒有去了解啊我們去了解他就說不是教育部的預算嘛那我們怎麼去了解\n\n19\n00:06:35,475 --> 00:06:48,781\n他如果是透過外交部拿到預算我覺得您這樣子在做解釋是完全國人是無法接受我剛剛已經問您了如果他是學生權益受到影響教育部要不要去理解\n\n20\n00:06:50,595 --> 00:07:00,438\n然後你現在又在跟我講說教育部預算沒有背三所以它跟我們無關沒有關係這個問題沒有關係沒關係你現在在講說這個神秘人物你們沒有責任了解沒關係我問次長一個非常明確的問題已經有三位立法委員在為這個題目在哭窮在喊窮那我想請問次長\n\n21\n00:07:17,549 --> 00:07:34,760\n這三位委員何新淳委員郭育琴委員林俊憲委員他們都非常關心請問現在教育部說了不是你們的預算煽動請問這個問題答案應該非常明確的請問教育部有沒有主動對這三位委員進行說明我們如果委員要求我們會跟他說明\n\n22\n00:07:44,238 --> 00:08:07,391\n所以教育部的態度就是我們任由所有的問題漂流在整個社會上然後有委員以不實的這種暗示然後教育部就說如果有人叫我們去說明我們再說明請問我就問市長您覺得這樣態度是對的嗎委員我們尊重你的發言權但是我們教育部也不是留言\n\n23\n00:08:08,812 --> 00:08:28,084\n那個澄清中心你說任何人的一個訊息揭露有限欸對不起市長市長我們這裡看到的是三位立法委員都提出這個問題喔他們在網路上提出教育部沒有預算的煽動教育部沒有責任去說明解釋嗎有立法委員可能有這樣的誤會\n\n24\n00:08:28,965 --> 00:08:42,622\n不用說明解釋嗎我們已經就這部分解釋了嘛所以我說有沒有去向立法委員的辦公室說明解釋有沒有發文有沒有通電話有或沒有請次長回應沒有目前沒有\n\n25\n00:08:46,963 --> 00:09:11,979\n我覺得這個我不用指示我們是尋答我想教育部該做什麼你們應該比我更清楚所以我想這個不用我們來說請各位官員同仁都非常清楚接下來我想這個謝謝次長我們還是要再次感謝教育部的同仁真的是告訴我們這就不是你們的山洞但是我跟次長\n\n26\n00:09:13,407 --> 00:09:40,214\n同步一下我覺得這樣的一個方式這些訊息在外面流傳我覺得對於教育部在處理公費或者相關留學獎學金的同仁情何以堪啊情何以堪啊外部有一大堆這樣的誤會結果我們的教育部是以一個非常被動的方式在澄清我替教育部的同仁報不平情何以堪\n\n27\n00:09:41,650 --> 00:10:02,157\n那我們再來看這個相關的這個營養午餐我們也都很明確的說出來剛剛也非常多委員來提供了資訊那監察委員的這個事情我想剛剛也都提過了那我只想問其實這裡面有提到的一些問題是關於這個食材登錄平台的缺失\n\n28\n00:10:03,479 --> 00:10:33,053\n那我想我們剛剛回到啦教育部希望是一個解決問題的人所以呢我們這裡也提供您一個解決問題的可能性啦其實有很多的這個食材都是重複登錄甚至是假登錄那現在已經有很多的科技拍張照就可以上傳哪些食材多少熱量什麼樣的營養可能可以來協助所以我想我們的這個教育部的相關食材登錄平台如果要改進要編列預算我們會支持有沒有機會來了解一下用科技的方式來優化它\n\n29\n00:10:33,453 --> 00:11:00,599\n我想委員的建議非常好我們會將委員的意見導入將來的合作計畫我們盡量來優化現在的AI時代更好的一個優化的登錄平台是那我想營養不足的問題剛剛都討論過很多了那我想食安在校園裡面我們應該要重視之外現在竟然還跑出一個水安有大學有這個用水安全的問題說有某間大學的自來水存在本超標64倍\n\n30\n00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:16,310\n那我們有看到啦其實教育部說這個可能是環境部啊等等的問題我想請教次長這個有沒有去進行譬如說普查或者有沒有提出預先的一些措施去確認這個問題不會出現在其他學校\n\n31\n00:11:20,655 --> 00:11:44,234\n這部分我想委員如果關心我們會來了解因為我看到委員提到的是水管老舊的問題那事實上這幾年我所知道台水不斷在更新那更新之後牽管的問題現在都已經改成那個委員我知道我們都協助過現在都是那種不鏽鋼的是比較好的\n\n32\n00:11:44,494 --> 00:11:58,350\n那這幾年編列經費相當多那大學的部分我想它有在社區裡面或者它內部裡面如果有這方面的疑慮的話我們當然會一併來關心那我剛才看到的這個新聞應該是在十年前左右\n\n33\n00:11:59,281 --> 00:12:17,100\n不是我們這個是提供給您的解決方案我不是來攻擊您的我們是說以前發生類似的問題其實相關部會是可以有因應措施我想請教次長一個問題次長難道要等到有學生在校園裡面水中毒了教育部才要來處理嗎\n\n34\n00:12:17,981 --> 00:12:34,562\n當然如果委員見我們一定會來關心這一點所以是不是評估一下如何來確認大學或者是校園的用水安全這個相關的做法可不可以提供一個報告好我們會跟大學團來聯絡來問他們這方面是不是已經有在關心有在處理\n\n35\n00:12:35,314 --> 00:12:55,271\n主席抱歉我最後一個時間非常短就是這個私立國中入取率偏低非常多家長在說那請教次長您覺得主要問題是什麼這個問題我想因為時間的關係希望次長可不可以有相關書面報告提出來那我在這裡要表達本席對這樣的狀況我不預設立場但是\n\n36\n00:13:00,876 --> 00:13:20,208\n我們認為公立學校裡面有非常優秀非常認真的老師跟學生這種訊息在外面流傳如果教育部不去很清楚的知道原因的話對於這些人來說是非常不公平的對於辦學的形象對教育部來講也不是很好所以請教育部長針對這個問題做一個報告讓社會大眾了解\n\n37\n00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:46,486\n目前的這個中學的公私立委這個狀況所面臨的問題原因到底是什麼是不是可以提出好我想我請那個署長來謝謝文的關心我們會跟各主管機關包含台北市各縣市還包含本署的各有關私校一起來努力謝謝文提醒謝謝那請次長研議看怎麼樣來讓公立的學校我們提升競爭力重現整個社會的信心謝謝好謝謝趙偉的關心謝謝好謝謝葛盧軍委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n209\t28535\t現在有請葛如軍委員質詢好 謝謝主席有請教育部次長有請次長好 次長好我想我們剛剛都看到了我希望能夠跟您確定一件事請問教育部\n29668\t32554\t是提出問題的人還是解決問題的人解決問題的是嗎\n35706\t60408\t所以我相信我們希望用這樣的精神來看待我們遇到的各種狀況這些問題可能會來自於現在的教育前線也可能來自於我們的學校也可能來自於這個各種各種的情況我們也希望教育部是以本著解決問題的心態我們來討論那首先跟你討論一件事就是最近的這個已經不只是問題了這已經造成恐慌了\n61269\t72291\t那剛剛有非常多委員也都問了啦所以我想就是一個案件出現在網路上那可以說是被到處的流傳我相信教育部也非常困擾那我們有一些這個其他政黨的委員呢提出了很多的轉貼提出了很多的追加的這個詢問說這個事情很可怕這個東西會影響到我們的學生會影響到我們的教育\n90755\t99916\t那我想剛剛這個部長有這個也說明了這個相關的獎學金留學預算應該教育部是沒有刪減的對嗎\n102168\t128948\t目前是那也謝謝教育部有提供一個這樣的一個文書讓我們可以比較清楚明確的知道這個我們相關的教育部的獎學金的編列呢並無刪減也沒有凍結但是就像我們剛剛看到的我們說教育部應該是要來幫忙解決問題的不應該讓問題持續甚至擴散所以我想請教一下部長您剛剛我們有看到\n131030\t158672\t這個我們的這個即時澄清還停留在好幾年前都沒有更新那現在這個應該澄清了剛剛可能時間不夠啦那這個案件是澄清的狀況是什麼能不能簡短的說明一下就像委員所拿到的這個書函我們將這個內容對你們有說有去了解這個案件嘛因為這個個案所指是什麼因為上個新聞我們從我們的預算科目是看到這個個案我是期待你們剛剛有說有去對個案進行了解\n159512\t176502\t那這了解以後他到底是誰是哪一個縣市他是什麼樣的部會的預算經過刪減這到底存不存在這個人有沒有了解我們沒有辦法去查到這個啦因為新聞有出來媒體有出來那媒體查證是否屬實這個教育部如何等一下 部長 次長\n177543\t200519\t有學生的權益疑似受損了市長不需要去了解一下嗎委員剛才你提的是說要叫我去查證嘛那我們查證的預算的部分確實沒有刪除也跟委員回覆了你預算沒有刪減謝謝你們說明啊有學生權益受損我就問您學生權益受損教育部有沒有責任去協助當然有責任\n200899\t213627\t有沒有責任要去了解請問這個狀況他到底是誰 存不存在哪一個預算影響到他 有嗎我們當然有去了解但是這個部分就不是這個部分對 所以我希望他來說明嘛 對\n219991\t245308\t跟委員說明我想這個情況我們也是看到新聞出來那我們有去了解這個新聞的源頭並沒有指明是教育部的獎學金我不是 對不起 這個我們都清楚了第一 這個事件存不存在第二 有沒有這個人第三 你們有沒有去詢問這個學生的權益是否真的受損因為其他的哪些原因\n246309\t274859\t有沒有 有或沒有 不好意思我們的學生不會受到影響是因為我們的經費都已經是確定這名學生是沒有揭露任何訊息的只是依據新聞的報載教育部有沒有責任了解我問到現在你們現在就是把問題放在那裡嘛然後呢 我就說喔 跟我無關我們沒有刪減 凍結我當然很謝謝你們說明啊學生如果真的存在學生有權益受準了\n276313\t298635\t這不是教育部的範圍嗎因為這個新聞所揭露的對象的背景真的太模糊您知道那個老師的名字有出現嗎對嘛 有沒有出現請後面的同仁說明 有沒有出現報告委員這名老師的後來後來他自己也有說明不是教育部的對 我 對不起我還是在說 請問\n300797\t318015\t我們已經知道 謝謝再三的說明不是教育部的預算刪減動靜有學生的權益受損教育部要不要去了解 關心嘛這麼簡單的問題耶我想還是跟委員說明就像我們公費報考的人數不一定是學生\n319355\t333697\t所以他有可能是在職中或者是其他的已經就業的其他部會或者是什麼各種各樣的所以只要不是學生他出國就學就跟我們的這個教育部完全沒有任何關係嗎確定嗎\n337282\t337843\t他已經在網路上求救啦\n353405\t356988\t沒有關係我覺得這種態度全國民眾都看到了我們的教育部設定了各種的可能性所以我們教育部不用理解我們的部分我們澄清了你還說他也許不是學生至少你聽到你同仁的說法嗎有沒有確認他是不是學生沒有被刪除的 沒有影響的\n374600\t394739\t但是剛才這個提到的是說因為其他部會也有或許像外交部啦 國科會啦或者是其他部會是有的就跟你們無關這個不是跟我們無關就是說我們比較難那如果他是學生受到影響就跟你們有關嘛他就沒有去了解啊我們去了解他就說不是教育部的預算嘛那我們怎麼去了解\n395475\t408781\t他如果是透過外交部拿到預算我覺得您這樣子在做解釋是完全國人是無法接受我剛剛已經問您了如果他是學生權益受到影響教育部要不要去理解\n410595\t420438\t然後你現在又在跟我講說教育部預算沒有背三所以它跟我們無關沒有關係這個問題沒有關係沒關係你現在在講說這個神秘人物你們沒有責任了解沒關係我問次長一個非常明確的問題已經有三位立法委員在為這個題目在哭窮在喊窮那我想請問次長\n437549\t454760\t這三位委員 何新淳委員 郭育琴委員 林俊憲委員他們都非常關心請問現在教育部說了不是你們的預算煽動請問這個問題答案應該非常明確的請問教育部有沒有主動對這三位委員進行說明我們如果委員要求我們會跟他說明\n464238\t487391\t所以教育部的態度就是我們任由所有的問題漂流在整個社會上然後有委員以不實的這種暗示然後教育部就說如果有人叫我們去說明我們再說明請問我就問市長您覺得這樣態度是對的嗎委員我們尊重你的發言權但是我們教育部也不是留言\n488812\t508084\t那個澄清中心你說任何人的一個訊息揭露有限欸 對不起 市長市長我們這裡看到的是三位立法委員都提出這個問題喔他們在網路上提出教育部沒有預算的煽動教育部沒有責任去說明解釋嗎有立法委員可能有這樣的誤會\n508965\t522622\t不用說明解釋嗎我們已經就這部分解釋了嘛所以我說有沒有去向立法委員的辦公室說明解釋有沒有發文 有沒有通電話有或沒有 請次長回應沒有 目前沒有\n526963\t551979\t我覺得這個我不用指示我們是尋答我想教育部該做什麼你們應該比我更清楚所以我想這個不用我們來說請各位官員同仁都非常清楚接下來我想這個謝謝次長我們還是要再次感謝教育部的同仁真的是告訴我們這就不是你們的山洞但是我跟次長\n553407\t580214\t同步一下我覺得這樣的一個方式這些訊息在外面流傳我覺得對於教育部在處理公費或者相關留學獎學金的同仁情何以堪啊情何以堪啊外部有一大堆這樣的誤會結果我們的教育部是以一個非常被動的方式在澄清我替教育部的同仁報不平情何以堪\n581650\t602157\t那我們再來看這個相關的這個營養午餐我們也都很明確的說出來剛剛也非常多委員來提供了資訊那監察委員的這個事情我想剛剛也都提過了那我只想問其實這裡面有提到的一些問題是關於這個食材登錄平台的缺失\n603479\t633053\t那我想我們剛剛回到啦教育部希望是一個解決問題的人所以呢我們這裡也提供您一個解決問題的可能性啦其實有很多的這個食材都是重複登錄甚至是假登錄那現在已經有很多的科技拍張照就可以上傳哪些食材多少熱量什麼樣的營養可能可以來協助所以我想我們的這個教育部的相關食材登錄平台如果要改進要編列預算我們會支持有沒有機會來了解一下用科技的方式來優化它\n633453\t660599\t我想委員的建議非常好我們會將委員的意見導入將來的合作計畫我們盡量來優化現在的AI時代更好的一個優化的登錄平台是 那我想營養不足的問題剛剛都討論過很多了那我想食安在校園裡面我們應該要重視之外現在竟然還跑出一個水安有大學有這個用水安全的問題說有某間大學的自來水存在本超標64倍\n662879\t676310\t那我們有看到啦其實教育部說這個可能是環境部啊等等的問題我想請教次長這個有沒有去進行譬如說普查或者有沒有提出預先的一些措施去確認這個問題不會出現在其他學校\n680655\t704234\t這部分我想委員如果關心我們會來了解因為我看到委員提到的是水管老舊的問題那事實上這幾年我所知道台水不斷在更新那更新之後牽管的問題現在都已經改成那個委員我知道我們都協助過現在都是那種不鏽鋼的是比較好的\n704494\t718350\t那這幾年編列經費相當多那大學的部分我想它有在社區裡面或者它內部裡面如果有這方面的疑慮的話我們當然會一併來關心那我剛才看到的這個新聞應該是在十年前左右\n719281\t737100\t不是 我們這個是提供給您的解決方案我不是來攻擊您的我們是說以前發生類似的問題其實相關部會是可以有因應措施我想請教次長一個問題次長難道要等到有學生在校園裡面水中毒了教育部才要來處理嗎\n737981\t754562\t當然如果委員見我們一定會來關心這一點所以是不是評估一下如何來確認大學或者是校園的用水安全這個相關的做法可不可以提供一個報告好我們會跟大學團來聯絡來問他們這方面是不是已經有在關心有在處理\n755314\t775271\t主席抱歉我最後一個時間非常短就是這個私立國中入取率偏低非常多家長在說那請教次長您覺得主要問題是什麼這個問題我想因為時間的關係希望次長可不可以有相關書面報告提出來那我在這裡要表達本席對這樣的狀況我不預設立場但是\n780876\t800208\t我們認為公立學校裡面有非常優秀非常認真的老師跟學生這種訊息在外面流傳如果教育部不去很清楚的知道原因的話對於這些人來說是非常不公平的對於辦學的形象對教育部來講也不是很好所以請教育部長針對這個問題做一個報告讓社會大眾了解\n802970\t826486\t目前的這個中學的公私立委這個狀況所面臨的問題原因到底是什麼是不是可以提出好我想我請那個署長來謝謝文的關心我們會跟各主管機關包含台北市各縣市還包含本署的各有關私校一起來努力謝謝文提醒謝謝那請次長研議看怎麼樣來讓公立的學校我們提升競爭力重現整個社會的信心謝謝好謝謝趙偉的關心謝謝好謝謝葛盧軍委員\n","txt":"現在有請葛如軍委員質詢好 謝謝主席有請教育部次長有請次長好 次長好我想我們剛剛都看到了我希望能夠跟您確定一件事請問教育部\n是提出問題的人還是解決問題的人解決問題的是嗎\n所以我相信我們希望用這樣的精神來看待我們遇到的各種狀況這些問題可能會來自於現在的教育前線也可能來自於我們的學校也可能來自於這個各種各種的情況我們也希望教育部是以本著解決問題的心態我們來討論那首先跟你討論一件事就是最近的這個已經不只是問題了這已經造成恐慌了\n那剛剛有非常多委員也都問了啦所以我想就是一個案件出現在網路上那可以說是被到處的流傳我相信教育部也非常困擾那我們有一些這個其他政黨的委員呢提出了很多的轉貼提出了很多的追加的這個詢問說這個事情很可怕這個東西會影響到我們的學生會影響到我們的教育\n那我想剛剛這個部長有這個也說明了這個相關的獎學金留學預算應該教育部是沒有刪減的對嗎\n目前是那也謝謝教育部有提供一個這樣的一個文書讓我們可以比較清楚明確的知道這個我們相關的教育部的獎學金的編列呢並無刪減也沒有凍結但是就像我們剛剛看到的我們說教育部應該是要來幫忙解決問題的不應該讓問題持續甚至擴散所以我想請教一下部長您剛剛我們有看到\n這個我們的這個即時澄清還停留在好幾年前都沒有更新那現在這個應該澄清了剛剛可能時間不夠啦那這個案件是澄清的狀況是什麼能不能簡短的說明一下就像委員所拿到的這個書函我們將這個內容對你們有說有去了解這個案件嘛因為這個個案所指是什麼因為上個新聞我們從我們的預算科目是看到這個個案我是期待你們剛剛有說有去對個案進行了解\n那這了解以後他到底是誰是哪一個縣市他是什麼樣的部會的預算經過刪減這到底存不存在這個人有沒有了解我們沒有辦法去查到這個啦因為新聞有出來媒體有出來那媒體查證是否屬實這個教育部如何等一下 部長 次長\n有學生的權益疑似受損了市長不需要去了解一下嗎委員剛才你提的是說要叫我去查證嘛那我們查證的預算的部分確實沒有刪除也跟委員回覆了你預算沒有刪減謝謝你們說明啊有學生權益受損我就問您學生權益受損教育部有沒有責任去協助當然有責任\n有沒有責任要去了解請問這個狀況他到底是誰 存不存在哪一個預算影響到他 有嗎我們當然有去了解但是這個部分就不是這個部分對 所以我希望他來說明嘛 對\n跟委員說明我想這個情況我們也是看到新聞出來那我們有去了解這個新聞的源頭並沒有指明是教育部的獎學金我不是 對不起 這個我們都清楚了第一 這個事件存不存在第二 有沒有這個人第三 你們有沒有去詢問這個學生的權益是否真的受損因為其他的哪些原因\n有沒有 有或沒有 不好意思我們的學生不會受到影響是因為我們的經費都已經是確定這名學生是沒有揭露任何訊息的只是依據新聞的報載教育部有沒有責任了解我問到現在你們現在就是把問題放在那裡嘛然後呢 我就說喔 跟我無關我們沒有刪減 凍結我當然很謝謝你們說明啊學生如果真的存在學生有權益受準了\n這不是教育部的範圍嗎因為這個新聞所揭露的對象的背景真的太模糊您知道那個老師的名字有出現嗎對嘛 有沒有出現請後面的同仁說明 有沒有出現報告委員這名老師的後來後來他自己也有說明不是教育部的對 我 對不起我還是在說 請問\n我們已經知道 謝謝再三的說明不是教育部的預算刪減動靜有學生的權益受損教育部要不要去了解 關心嘛這麼簡單的問題耶我想還是跟委員說明就像我們公費報考的人數不一定是學生\n所以他有可能是在職中或者是其他的已經就業的其他部會或者是什麼各種各樣的所以只要不是學生他出國就學就跟我們的這個教育部完全沒有任何關係嗎確定嗎\n他已經在網路上求救啦\n沒有關係我覺得這種態度全國民眾都看到了我們的教育部設定了各種的可能性所以我們教育部不用理解我們的部分我們澄清了你還說他也許不是學生至少你聽到你同仁的說法嗎有沒有確認他是不是學生沒有被刪除的 沒有影響的\n但是剛才這個提到的是說因為其他部會也有或許像外交部啦 國科會啦或者是其他部會是有的就跟你們無關這個不是跟我們無關就是說我們比較難那如果他是學生受到影響就跟你們有關嘛他就沒有去了解啊我們去了解他就說不是教育部的預算嘛那我們怎麼去了解\n他如果是透過外交部拿到預算我覺得您這樣子在做解釋是完全國人是無法接受我剛剛已經問您了如果他是學生權益受到影響教育部要不要去理解\n然後你現在又在跟我講說教育部預算沒有背三所以它跟我們無關沒有關係這個問題沒有關係沒關係你現在在講說這個神秘人物你們沒有責任了解沒關係我問次長一個非常明確的問題已經有三位立法委員在為這個題目在哭窮在喊窮那我想請問次長\n這三位委員 何新淳委員 郭育琴委員 林俊憲委員他們都非常關心請問現在教育部說了不是你們的預算煽動請問這個問題答案應該非常明確的請問教育部有沒有主動對這三位委員進行說明我們如果委員要求我們會跟他說明\n所以教育部的態度就是我們任由所有的問題漂流在整個社會上然後有委員以不實的這種暗示然後教育部就說如果有人叫我們去說明我們再說明請問我就問市長您覺得這樣態度是對的嗎委員我們尊重你的發言權但是我們教育部也不是留言\n那個澄清中心你說任何人的一個訊息揭露有限欸 對不起 市長市長我們這裡看到的是三位立法委員都提出這個問題喔他們在網路上提出教育部沒有預算的煽動教育部沒有責任去說明解釋嗎有立法委員可能有這樣的誤會\n不用說明解釋嗎我們已經就這部分解釋了嘛所以我說有沒有去向立法委員的辦公室說明解釋有沒有發文 有沒有通電話有或沒有 請次長回應沒有 目前沒有\n我覺得這個我不用指示我們是尋答我想教育部該做什麼你們應該比我更清楚所以我想這個不用我們來說請各位官員同仁都非常清楚接下來我想這個謝謝次長我們還是要再次感謝教育部的同仁真的是告訴我們這就不是你們的山洞但是我跟次長\n同步一下我覺得這樣的一個方式這些訊息在外面流傳我覺得對於教育部在處理公費或者相關留學獎學金的同仁情何以堪啊情何以堪啊外部有一大堆這樣的誤會結果我們的教育部是以一個非常被動的方式在澄清我替教育部的同仁報不平情何以堪\n那我們再來看這個相關的這個營養午餐我們也都很明確的說出來剛剛也非常多委員來提供了資訊那監察委員的這個事情我想剛剛也都提過了那我只想問其實這裡面有提到的一些問題是關於這個食材登錄平台的缺失\n那我想我們剛剛回到啦教育部希望是一個解決問題的人所以呢我們這裡也提供您一個解決問題的可能性啦其實有很多的這個食材都是重複登錄甚至是假登錄那現在已經有很多的科技拍張照就可以上傳哪些食材多少熱量什麼樣的營養可能可以來協助所以我想我們的這個教育部的相關食材登錄平台如果要改進要編列預算我們會支持有沒有機會來了解一下用科技的方式來優化它\n我想委員的建議非常好我們會將委員的意見導入將來的合作計畫我們盡量來優化現在的AI時代更好的一個優化的登錄平台是 那我想營養不足的問題剛剛都討論過很多了那我想食安在校園裡面我們應該要重視之外現在竟然還跑出一個水安有大學有這個用水安全的問題說有某間大學的自來水存在本超標64倍\n那我們有看到啦其實教育部說這個可能是環境部啊等等的問題我想請教次長這個有沒有去進行譬如說普查或者有沒有提出預先的一些措施去確認這個問題不會出現在其他學校\n這部分我想委員如果關心我們會來了解因為我看到委員提到的是水管老舊的問題那事實上這幾年我所知道台水不斷在更新那更新之後牽管的問題現在都已經改成那個委員我知道我們都協助過現在都是那種不鏽鋼的是比較好的\n那這幾年編列經費相當多那大學的部分我想它有在社區裡面或者它內部裡面如果有這方面的疑慮的話我們當然會一併來關心那我剛才看到的這個新聞應該是在十年前左右\n不是 我們這個是提供給您的解決方案我不是來攻擊您的我們是說以前發生類似的問題其實相關部會是可以有因應措施我想請教次長一個問題次長難道要等到有學生在校園裡面水中毒了教育部才要來處理嗎\n當然如果委員見我們一定會來關心這一點所以是不是評估一下如何來確認大學或者是校園的用水安全這個相關的做法可不可以提供一個報告好我們會跟大學團來聯絡來問他們這方面是不是已經有在關心有在處理\n主席抱歉我最後一個時間非常短就是這個私立國中入取率偏低非常多家長在說那請教次長您覺得主要問題是什麼這個問題我想因為時間的關係希望次長可不可以有相關書面報告提出來那我在這裡要表達本席對這樣的狀況我不預設立場但是\n我們認為公立學校裡面有非常優秀非常認真的老師跟學生這種訊息在外面流傳如果教育部不去很清楚的知道原因的話對於這些人來說是非常不公平的對於辦學的形象對教育部來講也不是很好所以請教育部長針對這個問題做一個報告讓社會大眾了解\n目前的這個中學的公私立委這個狀況所面臨的問題原因到底是什麼是不是可以提出好我想我請那個署長來謝謝文的關心我們會跟各主管機關包含台北市各縣市還包含本署的各有關私校一起來努力謝謝文提醒謝謝那請次長研議看怎麼樣來讓公立的學校我們提升競爭力重現整個社會的信心謝謝好謝謝趙偉的關心謝謝好謝謝葛盧軍委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.209 --> 00:28.535\n現在有請葛如軍委員質詢好謝謝主席有請教育部次長有請次長好次長好我想我們剛剛都看到了我希望能夠跟您確定一件事請問教育部\n\n00:29.668 --> 00:32.554\n是提出問題的人還是解決問題的人解決問題的是嗎\n\n00:35.706 --> 01:00.408\n所以我相信我們希望用這樣的精神來看待我們遇到的各種狀況這些問題可能會來自於現在的教育前線也可能來自於我們的學校也可能來自於這個各種各種的情況我們也希望教育部是以本著解決問題的心態我們來討論那首先跟你討論一件事就是最近的這個已經不只是問題了這已經造成恐慌了\n\n01:01.269 --> 01:12.291\n那剛剛有非常多委員也都問了啦所以我想就是一個案件出現在網路上那可以說是被到處的流傳我相信教育部也非常困擾那我們有一些這個其他政黨的委員呢提出了很多的轉貼提出了很多的追加的這個詢問說這個事情很可怕這個東西會影響到我們的學生會影響到我們的教育\n\n01:30.755 --> 01:39.916\n那我想剛剛這個部長有這個也說明了這個相關的獎學金留學預算應該教育部是沒有刪減的對嗎\n\n01:42.168 --> 02:08.948\n目前是那也謝謝教育部有提供一個這樣的一個文書讓我們可以比較清楚明確的知道這個我們相關的教育部的獎學金的編列呢並無刪減也沒有凍結但是就像我們剛剛看到的我們說教育部應該是要來幫忙解決問題的不應該讓問題持續甚至擴散所以我想請教一下部長您剛剛我們有看到\n\n02:11.030 --> 02:38.672\n這個我們的這個即時澄清還停留在好幾年前都沒有更新那現在這個應該澄清了剛剛可能時間不夠啦那這個案件是澄清的狀況是什麼能不能簡短的說明一下就像委員所拿到的這個書函我們將這個內容對你們有說有去了解這個案件嘛因為這個個案所指是什麼因為上個新聞我們從我們的預算科目是看到這個個案我是期待你們剛剛有說有去對個案進行了解\n\n02:39.512 --> 02:56.502\n那這了解以後他到底是誰是哪一個縣市他是什麼樣的部會的預算經過刪減這到底存不存在這個人有沒有了解我們沒有辦法去查到這個啦因為新聞有出來媒體有出來那媒體查證是否屬實這個教育部如何等一下部長次長\n\n02:57.543 --> 03:20.519\n有學生的權益疑似受損了市長不需要去了解一下嗎委員剛才你提的是說要叫我去查證嘛那我們查證的預算的部分確實沒有刪除也跟委員回覆了你預算沒有刪減謝謝你們說明啊有學生權益受損我就問您學生權益受損教育部有沒有責任去協助當然有責任\n\n03:20.899 --> 03:33.627\n有沒有責任要去了解請問這個狀況他到底是誰存不存在哪一個預算影響到他有嗎我們當然有去了解但是這個部分就不是這個部分對所以我希望他來說明嘛對\n\n03:39.991 --> 04:05.308\n跟委員說明我想這個情況我們也是看到新聞出來那我們有去了解這個新聞的源頭並沒有指明是教育部的獎學金我不是對不起這個我們都清楚了第一這個事件存不存在第二有沒有這個人第三你們有沒有去詢問這個學生的權益是否真的受損因為其他的哪些原因\n\n04:06.309 --> 04:34.859\n有沒有有或沒有不好意思我們的學生不會受到影響是因為我們的經費都已經是確定這名學生是沒有揭露任何訊息的只是依據新聞的報載教育部有沒有責任了解我問到現在你們現在就是把問題放在那裡嘛然後呢我就說喔跟我無關我們沒有刪減凍結我當然很謝謝你們說明啊學生如果真的存在學生有權益受準了\n\n04:36.313 --> 04:58.635\n這不是教育部的範圍嗎因為這個新聞所揭露的對象的背景真的太模糊您知道那個老師的名字有出現嗎對嘛有沒有出現請後面的同仁說明有沒有出現報告委員這名老師的後來後來他自己也有說明不是教育部的對我對不起我還是在說請問\n\n05:00.797 --> 05:18.015\n我們已經知道謝謝再三的說明不是教育部的預算刪減動靜有學生的權益受損教育部要不要去了解關心嘛這麼簡單的問題耶我想還是跟委員說明就像我們公費報考的人數不一定是學生\n\n05:19.355 --> 05:33.697\n所以他有可能是在職中或者是其他的已經就業的其他部會或者是什麼各種各樣的所以只要不是學生他出國就學就跟我們的這個教育部完全沒有任何關係嗎確定嗎\n\n05:37.282 --> 05:37.843\n他已經在網路上求救啦\n\n05:53.405 --> 05:56.988\n沒有關係我覺得這種態度全國民眾都看到了我們的教育部設定了各種的可能性所以我們教育部不用理解我們的部分我們澄清了你還說他也許不是學生至少你聽到你同仁的說法嗎有沒有確認他是不是學生沒有被刪除的沒有影響的\n\n06:14.600 --> 06:34.739\n但是剛才這個提到的是說因為其他部會也有或許像外交部啦國科會啦或者是其他部會是有的就跟你們無關這個不是跟我們無關就是說我們比較難那如果他是學生受到影響就跟你們有關嘛他就沒有去了解啊我們去了解他就說不是教育部的預算嘛那我們怎麼去了解\n\n06:35.475 --> 06:48.781\n他如果是透過外交部拿到預算我覺得您這樣子在做解釋是完全國人是無法接受我剛剛已經問您了如果他是學生權益受到影響教育部要不要去理解\n\n06:50.595 --> 07:00.438\n然後你現在又在跟我講說教育部預算沒有背三所以它跟我們無關沒有關係這個問題沒有關係沒關係你現在在講說這個神秘人物你們沒有責任了解沒關係我問次長一個非常明確的問題已經有三位立法委員在為這個題目在哭窮在喊窮那我想請問次長\n\n07:17.549 --> 07:34.760\n這三位委員何新淳委員郭育琴委員林俊憲委員他們都非常關心請問現在教育部說了不是你們的預算煽動請問這個問題答案應該非常明確的請問教育部有沒有主動對這三位委員進行說明我們如果委員要求我們會跟他說明\n\n07:44.238 --> 08:07.391\n所以教育部的態度就是我們任由所有的問題漂流在整個社會上然後有委員以不實的這種暗示然後教育部就說如果有人叫我們去說明我們再說明請問我就問市長您覺得這樣態度是對的嗎委員我們尊重你的發言權但是我們教育部也不是留言\n\n08:08.812 --> 08:28.084\n那個澄清中心你說任何人的一個訊息揭露有限欸對不起市長市長我們這裡看到的是三位立法委員都提出這個問題喔他們在網路上提出教育部沒有預算的煽動教育部沒有責任去說明解釋嗎有立法委員可能有這樣的誤會\n\n08:28.965 --> 08:42.622\n不用說明解釋嗎我們已經就這部分解釋了嘛所以我說有沒有去向立法委員的辦公室說明解釋有沒有發文有沒有通電話有或沒有請次長回應沒有目前沒有\n\n08:46.963 --> 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提供給您一個解決方案。"],["張廖次長萬堅：我知道。"],["葛委員如鈞：我不是來攻擊您的。"],["張廖次長萬堅：對，我知道，謝謝委員的關心。"],["葛委員如鈞：我們是說以前發生類似的問題，其實相關部會是可以有因應措施。我想請教次長一個問題，次長難道要等到有學生在校園裡面水中毒了，教育部才要來處理嗎？"],["張廖次長萬堅：當然，如果……"],["葛委員如鈞：當然不是嘛！"],["張廖次長萬堅：對，如果委員建議，我們一定會來關心這個議題。"],["葛委員如鈞：所以是不是評估一下如何來確認大學或者是校園的用水安全？"],["張廖次長萬堅：好，我們會跟……"],["葛委員如鈞：這個相關的作法可不可以提供一個報告？"],["張廖次長萬堅：好，我們會跟大學端來聯絡，問他們這方面是不是已經有在關心、有在處理。"],["葛委員如鈞：主席抱歉，我最後問一個，非常短。就是私立國中錄取率偏低，非常多家長在說。請教次長，您覺得主要的問題是什麼？次長，這個問題因為時間的關係，可不可以有相關的書面報告提出來？"],["張廖次長萬堅：好，沒問題。"],["葛委員如鈞：我在這裡要表達本席對這樣狀況的看法，我不預設立場，但是我們認為公立學校裡面有非常優秀、非常認真的老師跟學生，這種訊息在外面流傳，如果教育部不去很清楚地知道原因的話，對於這些人來說是非常不公平的，對於辦學的形象，對教育部來講也不是很好，所以請教育部長針對這個問題做一個報告，讓社會大眾了解目前公私立中學的狀況、所面臨的問題，原因到底是什麼，是不是可以提出？"],["張廖次長萬堅：好，我請署長。"],["彭署長富源：謝謝委員的關心，我們會跟各主管機關，包含臺北市、各縣市，還有包含本署的各有關私校一起來努力，謝謝委員提醒。"],["葛委員如鈞：好，謝謝，請次長研議，看怎麼樣來讓公立的學校提升競爭力，重建整個社會的信心，謝謝。"],["張廖次長萬堅：好，謝謝召委的關心。"],["主席：好，謝謝葛如鈞委員。"],["主席（葛委員如鈞）：接著繼續進行質詢，請林宜瑾召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":198,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-3","speakers":["葛如鈞","洪孟楷","王育敏","徐巧芯","楊瓊瓔","王鴻薇","羅廷瑋","許宇甄","鍾佳濱","陳秀寳","葉元之","柯志恩","萬美玲","林沛祥","林宜瑾","劉書彬","郭昱晴","范雲","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","張雅琳","吳沛憶","林倩綺","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","李彥秀","吳思瑤","李坤城","陳培瑜"],"page_start":111,"meetingDate":["2025-03-20"],"gazette_id":"1142901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142901_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「學校供餐法草案」：(一) 審查委員范雲等16人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(二) 審\n查委員馬文君等17人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、 (三) 審查委員魯明哲等24人擬具「學校供餐\n法草案」案、(四) 審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、(五) 審查委員洪孟楷等\n20 人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、 ( 六 ) 審查委員黃健豪等 20 人擬具「學校供餐法草案」案、\n( 七) 審查委員楊瓊瓔等21 人擬具「學校供餐條例草案」案、 ( 八) 審查委員林倩綺等 21 人擬具\n「學校午餐及營養促進條例草案」案、 ( 九 ) 審查委員鍾佳濱等 17 人擬具「學校午餐法草案」\n案、(十) 審查委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育法草案」案、(十一) 審查委員張雅\n琳等17人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育法草案」案、(十二) 審查委員柯志恩等21人擬具「學校午\n餐及飲食教育條例草案」案、(十三) 審查委員陳培瑜等26人擬具「學校午餐及飲食教育條例草\n案」案、(十四) 審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「高級中等以下學校及幼兒園午餐供餐法草案」案、\n(十五) 審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「學校飲食健康促進法草案」案、(十六) 審查委員葉元之等\n20人擬具「學校飲食健康促進法草案」案、(十七) 審查委員陳秀寳等20人擬具「學校飲食法草\n案」案、(十八) 審查委員林宜瑾等33人擬具「學校飲食法草案」案、(十九) 審查委員劉建國等\n17人擬具「學校飲食教育法草案」案、(二十) 審查委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「學校營養飲食供餐\n法草案」案、(二十一) 審查委員邱鎮軍等25人擬具「高級中等以下學校供餐及飲食教育條例草\n案」案、(二十二) 審查委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「高級中等以下學校午餐及飲食教育條例草案」\n案、(二十三) 審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「學校營養午餐法草案」案（僅進行詢答）；二、審\n查「運動產業發展條例」：(一) 審查委員柯志恩等22人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十四條及\n第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(二) 審查委員張智倫等 18 人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(三) 審查委員洪孟楷等17人擬具「運動產業發展條例第\n二十四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(四) 審查委員王鴻薇等 19 人擬具「運動產業發展\n條例第二十四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(五) 審查委員林倩綺等22人擬具「運動產業\n發展條例第四條條文修正草案」案、(六) 審查委員沈發惠等19人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二\n條條文修正草案」案、(七) 審查委員許宇甄等17人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十四條及第二\n十六條條文修正草案」案、(八)審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二條、第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」、(九)審查委員楊瓊瓔等27人擬具「運動產業發展條例第二十\n四條及第二十六條條文修正草案」（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1142901_00003"}}}