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00:02:07,553\n六到十五歲的在學人口,就是國民教育人口呢,77.3%那六十五歲呢,反而是20.4%,將近三倍好,那這個嚴重的情況呢,我再舉個例子,讓你知道什麼情況,來往下看那以車神鄉為例,你知道車神鄉是誰的故鄉嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:09,713 --> 00:02:32,765\n我們潘孟安秘書長的故鄉車城鄉六十五歲的長輩有一千七百五十三人但是車城國中跟車城國小全部的在學人口六到十五歲的一共不到六百人那我們現在想想看部長請教一下次長請教一下假如要在車城辦營養午餐你覺得有可能用個中央廚房嗎\n\n8\n00:02:34,147 --> 00:02:39,073\n其實這地方政府如果提出計畫的話可惜你們會為600個不到的學生地區設一個央廚嗎央廚我們有一個經濟規模\n\n9\n00:02:43,889 --> 00:03:04,188\n這個央處的話中央廚房的話大概都是大概兩三千人嘛但是它會有一個是的有個公餐區但是也不能太遠啊你太遠的話呢超過備餐時間會有營養品質的問題對不對好往下看來我們來看一下老幼共學是一個補償的學習為什麼要提到老幼共學呢你知道嗎現在什麼時候實施九年國教的\n\n10\n00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:31,956\n1968年好所以說現在70歲以上的長輩啊當年他年輕的時候不是他私學是國家沒有提供他念國中的機會是不是這樣子可是現在的孩子可以念12年啊對不對所以你認為如果現在有機會讓這些70歲以上的長輩回到校園來是一種補償的心理是不是可以補償他當然如果這個地方有一個完備的比較好的一個規劃就補償他嘛對在政策性引導這是一個好的未來\n\n11\n00:03:32,296 --> 00:03:57,432\n所以我們說老幼共學其實不是因為年輕的孩子少了我們把老人家抓來學校不是是這些長輩在年輕的時候因為國家的設備資源不足他們失去了這三年可以再學的學習期間我們要補償他我們現在看所以我們來看一下屏東的我們老幼共學領先台北市五年我們利用老人日照十字據點和學校的閒置空間讓社區共同使用來老幼共學但是老幼共學有一個問題\n\n12\n00:03:59,394 --> 00:04:16,870\n長輩他對於到學校裡面去學什麼國中小的課程沒有興趣你知道長輩最有興趣做什麼事情嗎最有興趣是什麼做實作他希望把他的生命經驗跟小朋友分享然後呢從小朋友那邊得到他對現在的知識小朋友最常教長輩什麼事情你知道嗎小朋友在老幼過程中最常教長輩怎樣利用手機網路\n\n13\n00:04:25,359 --> 00:04:40,528\n好往下看來那麼另外呢我們提到跨世代學習也在屏東屏東基督教醫院發展的食農勞用共學用農學食農教育的基礎讓長輩跟小朋友共同去了解好最後要講結論了往下看以鄉圍單位來共餐\n\n14\n00:04:42,449 --> 00:05:04,706\n教育部支持之下在屏東縣投資了將近2億做了一個宿舍跟中央廚房可以供應500份午餐大同中學在屏東市區我的母鄉那邊好幾個國中加起來學生整個500份呢還不夠所以如果以鄉鎮為公餐單位來設營養午餐的央廚的話恐怕都會可以偏鄉做不到是不是這樣子\n\n15\n00:05:05,848 --> 00:05:21,722\n沒有錯好那我們往下看所以呢我之前在2020年的設立院會執行我提出鄉鄉有央廚但是呢現在又加上三張EQ教育部有經費支持是不是我們政府來設立央廚食材才統一的國產品教育部支持嘛\n\n16\n00:05:22,935 --> 00:05:48,638\n支持但是這樣就成鄉分佈不均啊我們大概只能在這些人口密集區設秧除人口細胞地廣人稀的地方恐怕有困難怎麼辦來我給你一個建議什麼意思把供應能量如果大於在學的學生還記得車程箱嗎車程箱的學生不到六百個可是老人家有一千七百多個如果把這些的公餐對象拿進來車程箱設個秧除有效益的您同意嗎\n\n17\n00:05:50,029 --> 00:06:16,043\n獨具老人文化健康站關懷據點還有學校都納進來這個跨單位的話我們就是要對跨單位說要分工嘛往下看最後鄉鄉有央廚跨部會來促成實現教育部來協助在學校的空間設央廚衛福部幫長輩的餐食經費補貼而教育部可以媒合農業部可以媒合在地食材您覺得這樣的部會分工您支持嗎教育部支持嗎\n\n18\n00:06:16,363 --> 00:06:24,041\n如果部會能夠分工那屏東已經有小規模事辦成功的例子我覺得是可以來考慮的好謝謝主席站起來是我的結論\n\n19\n00:06:26,789 --> 00:06:46,167\n超高齡社會把教育權利還給長輩提供老幼共學並以共餐為基礎讓老人家來學校吃一頓午餐同時來一個老幼共學另外鄉鄉有央廚希望能夠跟農業部還有衛福部共同的合作將我們央廚的共餐的對象把長輩引納入我們共同來推動好不好好謝謝委員關心謝謝謝謝市長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1189\t20197\t請鍾嘉賓委員質詢阿主席在場的委員先進列席了政府政策署長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們張亮次長次長被質詢謝謝\n23607\t45379\t市長,今天我們談學校午餐法,偏鄉設央廚,學校午餐納長輩,老幼共餐處,共學處,跨部會分工我們來看一下,因為有一個題目先問一下,今天有人在問,請看下一頁藍白三預算影響國軍出國深造,最近在臉書上網路上有說有一個人說呢,因為呢,有一個人當事人向國家申請獎學金呢,被立法院預算三的停發\n46960\t69600\t部長有聽到這樣的一個網路消息嗎台灣博士生因為藍白山預算獎學金留學的獎學金暫時停發延宕一年有沒有因為是剛才委員質詢那我之前有聽說有聽說那你有沒有看到說當事人也澄清了他不是拿教育部的經費是嗎所以我們也澄清了那結果這個是什麼是拿國防部的這個當事人是不是拿國防部的\n70902\t88223\t所以我們看到國外旅會及出國教育訓練費教育部是統三百分之六是可留用但是國防部呢所屬的統三十五不能留用所以國防部的罪名受到影響嘛是不是這樣這個部分可能要國防部那邊國防部來回問那教育部會不會受影響目前有沒有受到影響\n89639\t108399\t目前教育部有沒有公費留考的留言但是我們的業務費裡面25%裡面具體的影響目前還在盤查當中好 請密切注意我們不希望有這樣的情況發生來 我們開始看下一頁目前超高齡社會以我屏東的長幼人口的比例來看因為我們屏東縣大概不到79萬\n109480\t127553\t六到十五歲的在學人口,就是國民教育人口呢,77.3%那六十五歲呢,反而是20.4%,將近三倍好,那這個嚴重的情況呢,我再舉個例子,讓你知道什麼情況,來往下看那以車神鄉為例,你知道車神鄉是誰的故鄉嗎?\n129713\t152765\t我們潘孟安秘書長的故鄉車城鄉六十五歲的長輩有一千七百五十三人但是車城國中跟車城國小全部的在學人口六到十五歲的一共不到六百人那我們現在想想看部長請教一下 次長請教一下假如要在車城辦營養午餐你覺得有可能用個中央廚房嗎\n154147\t159073\t其實這地方政府如果提出計畫的話可惜你們會為600個不到的學生地區設一個央廚嗎央廚我們有一個經濟規模\n163889\t184188\t這個央處的話中央廚房的話大概都是大概兩三千人嘛但是它會有一個是的有個公餐區但是也不能太遠啊你太遠的話呢超過備餐時間會有營養品質的問題對不對好往下看來我們來看一下老幼共學是一個補償的學習為什麼要提到老幼共學呢你知道嗎現在什麼時候實施九年國教的\n185879\t211956\t1968年好所以說現在70歲以上的長輩啊當年他年輕的時候不是他私學是國家沒有提供他念國中的機會是不是這樣子可是現在的孩子可以念12年啊對不對所以你認為如果現在有機會讓這些70歲以上的長輩回到校園來是一種補償的心理是不是可以補償他當然如果這個地方有一個完備的比較好的一個規劃就補償他嘛對在政策性引導這是一個好的未來\n212296\t237432\t所以我們說老幼共學其實不是因為年輕的孩子少了我們把老人家抓來學校 不是是這些長輩在年輕的時候因為國家的設備資源不足他們失去了這三年可以再學的學習期間我們要補償他 我們現在看所以我們來看一下屏東的我們老幼共學領先台北市五年我們利用老人日照 十字據點和學校的閒置空間讓社區共同使用來老幼共學但是老幼共學有一個問題\n239394\t256870\t長輩他對於到學校裡面去學什麼國中小的課程沒有興趣你知道長輩最有興趣做什麼事情嗎最有興趣是什麼做實作他希望把他的生命經驗跟小朋友分享然後呢從小朋友那邊得到他對現在的知識小朋友最常教長輩什麼事情你知道嗎小朋友在老幼過程中最常教長輩怎樣利用手機網路\n265359\t280528\t好 往下看來 那麼另外呢我們提到跨世代學習也在屏東屏東基督教醫院發展的食農勞用共學用農學 食農教育的基礎讓長輩跟小朋友共同去了解好 最後要講結論了往下看以鄉圍單位來共餐\n282449\t304706\t教育部支持之下在屏東縣投資了將近2億做了一個宿舍跟中央廚房可以供應500份午餐大同中學在屏東市區我的母鄉那邊好幾個國中加起來學生整個500份呢還不夠所以如果以鄉鎮為公餐單位來設營養午餐的央廚的話恐怕都會可以偏鄉做不到是不是這樣子\n305848\t321722\t沒有錯好 那我們往下看所以呢我之前在2020年的設立院會執行我提出鄉鄉有央廚但是呢現在又加上三張EQ教育部有經費支持 是不是我們政府來設立央廚食材才統一的國產品教育部支持嘛\n322935\t348638\t支持但是這樣就成鄉分佈不均啊我們大概只能在這些人口密集區設秧除人口細胞 地廣人稀的地方恐怕有困難怎麼辦來我給你一個建議什麼意思把供應能量如果大於在學的學生還記得車程箱嗎車程箱的學生不到六百個可是老人家有一千七百多個如果把這些的公餐對象拿進來車程箱設個秧除有效益的您同意嗎\n350029\t376043\t獨具老人 文化健康站 關懷據點還有學校都納進來這個跨單位的話我們就是要對 跨單位說要分工嘛 往下看最後 鄉鄉有央廚 跨部會來促成實現教育部來協助在學校的空間設央廚衛福部幫長輩的餐食經費補貼而教育部可以媒合農業部可以媒合在地食材您覺得這樣的部會分工 您支持嗎教育部支持嗎\n376363\t384041\t如果部會能夠分工 那屏東已經有小規模事辦成功的例子我覺得是可以來考慮的好 謝謝主席站起來 是我的結論\n386789\t406167\t超高齡社會把教育權利還給長輩提供老幼共學並以共餐為基礎讓老人家來學校吃一頓午餐同時來一個老幼共學另外鄉鄉有央廚希望能夠跟農業部還有衛福部共同的合作將我們央廚的共餐的對象把長輩引納入我們共同來推動好不好好謝謝委員關心謝謝謝謝市長謝謝主席\n","txt":"請鍾嘉賓委員質詢阿主席在場的委員先進列席了政府政策署長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們張亮次長次長被質詢謝謝\n市長,今天我們談學校午餐法,偏鄉設央廚,學校午餐納長輩,老幼共餐處,共學處,跨部會分工我們來看一下,因為有一個題目先問一下,今天有人在問,請看下一頁藍白三預算影響國軍出國深造,最近在臉書上網路上有說有一個人說呢,因為呢,有一個人當事人向國家申請獎學金呢,被立法院預算三的停發\n部長有聽到這樣的一個網路消息嗎台灣博士生因為藍白山預算獎學金留學的獎學金暫時停發延宕一年有沒有因為是剛才委員質詢那我之前有聽說有聽說那你有沒有看到說當事人也澄清了他不是拿教育部的經費是嗎所以我們也澄清了那結果這個是什麼是拿國防部的這個當事人是不是拿國防部的\n所以我們看到國外旅會及出國教育訓練費教育部是統三百分之六是可留用但是國防部呢所屬的統三十五不能留用所以國防部的罪名受到影響嘛是不是這樣這個部分可能要國防部那邊國防部來回問那教育部會不會受影響目前有沒有受到影響\n目前教育部有沒有公費留考的留言但是我們的業務費裡面25%裡面具體的影響目前還在盤查當中好 請密切注意我們不希望有這樣的情況發生來 我們開始看下一頁目前超高齡社會以我屏東的長幼人口的比例來看因為我們屏東縣大概不到79萬\n六到十五歲的在學人口,就是國民教育人口呢,77.3%那六十五歲呢,反而是20.4%,將近三倍好,那這個嚴重的情況呢,我再舉個例子,讓你知道什麼情況,來往下看那以車神鄉為例,你知道車神鄉是誰的故鄉嗎?\n我們潘孟安秘書長的故鄉車城鄉六十五歲的長輩有一千七百五十三人但是車城國中跟車城國小全部的在學人口六到十五歲的一共不到六百人那我們現在想想看部長請教一下 次長請教一下假如要在車城辦營養午餐你覺得有可能用個中央廚房嗎\n其實這地方政府如果提出計畫的話可惜你們會為600個不到的學生地區設一個央廚嗎央廚我們有一個經濟規模\n這個央處的話中央廚房的話大概都是大概兩三千人嘛但是它會有一個是的有個公餐區但是也不能太遠啊你太遠的話呢超過備餐時間會有營養品質的問題對不對好往下看來我們來看一下老幼共學是一個補償的學習為什麼要提到老幼共學呢你知道嗎現在什麼時候實施九年國教的\n1968年好所以說現在70歲以上的長輩啊當年他年輕的時候不是他私學是國家沒有提供他念國中的機會是不是這樣子可是現在的孩子可以念12年啊對不對所以你認為如果現在有機會讓這些70歲以上的長輩回到校園來是一種補償的心理是不是可以補償他當然如果這個地方有一個完備的比較好的一個規劃就補償他嘛對在政策性引導這是一個好的未來\n所以我們說老幼共學其實不是因為年輕的孩子少了我們把老人家抓來學校 不是是這些長輩在年輕的時候因為國家的設備資源不足他們失去了這三年可以再學的學習期間我們要補償他 我們現在看所以我們來看一下屏東的我們老幼共學領先台北市五年我們利用老人日照 十字據點和學校的閒置空間讓社區共同使用來老幼共學但是老幼共學有一個問題\n長輩他對於到學校裡面去學什麼國中小的課程沒有興趣你知道長輩最有興趣做什麼事情嗎最有興趣是什麼做實作他希望把他的生命經驗跟小朋友分享然後呢從小朋友那邊得到他對現在的知識小朋友最常教長輩什麼事情你知道嗎小朋友在老幼過程中最常教長輩怎樣利用手機網路\n好 往下看來 那麼另外呢我們提到跨世代學習也在屏東屏東基督教醫院發展的食農勞用共學用農學 食農教育的基礎讓長輩跟小朋友共同去了解好 最後要講結論了往下看以鄉圍單位來共餐\n教育部支持之下在屏東縣投資了將近2億做了一個宿舍跟中央廚房可以供應500份午餐大同中學在屏東市區我的母鄉那邊好幾個國中加起來學生整個500份呢還不夠所以如果以鄉鎮為公餐單位來設營養午餐的央廚的話恐怕都會可以偏鄉做不到是不是這樣子\n沒有錯好 那我們往下看所以呢我之前在2020年的設立院會執行我提出鄉鄉有央廚但是呢現在又加上三張EQ教育部有經費支持 是不是我們政府來設立央廚食材才統一的國產品教育部支持嘛\n支持但是這樣就成鄉分佈不均啊我們大概只能在這些人口密集區設秧除人口細胞 地廣人稀的地方恐怕有困難怎麼辦來我給你一個建議什麼意思把供應能量如果大於在學的學生還記得車程箱嗎車程箱的學生不到六百個可是老人家有一千七百多個如果把這些的公餐對象拿進來車程箱設個秧除有效益的您同意嗎\n獨具老人 文化健康站 關懷據點還有學校都納進來這個跨單位的話我們就是要對 跨單位說要分工嘛 往下看最後 鄉鄉有央廚 跨部會來促成實現教育部來協助在學校的空間設央廚衛福部幫長輩的餐食經費補貼而教育部可以媒合農業部可以媒合在地食材您覺得這樣的部會分工 您支持嗎教育部支持嗎\n如果部會能夠分工 那屏東已經有小規模事辦成功的例子我覺得是可以來考慮的好 謝謝主席站起來 是我的結論\n超高齡社會把教育權利還給長輩提供老幼共學並以共餐為基礎讓老人家來學校吃一頓午餐同時來一個老幼共學另外鄉鄉有央廚希望能夠跟農業部還有衛福部共同的合作將我們央廚的共餐的對象把長輩引納入我們共同來推動好不好好謝謝委員關心謝謝謝謝市長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.189 --> 00:20.197\n請鍾嘉賓委員質詢阿主席在場的委員先進列席了政府政策署長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們張亮次長次長被質詢謝謝\n\n00:23.607 --> 00:45.379\n市長,今天我們談學校午餐法,偏鄉設央廚,學校午餐納長輩,老幼共餐處,共學處,跨部會分工我們來看一下,因為有一個題目先問一下,今天有人在問,請看下一頁藍白三預算影響國軍出國深造,最近在臉書上網路上有說有一個人說呢,因為呢,有一個人當事人向國家申請獎學金呢,被立法院預算三的停發\n\n00:46.960 --> 01:09.600\n部長有聽到這樣的一個網路消息嗎台灣博士生因為藍白山預算獎學金留學的獎學金暫時停發延宕一年有沒有因為是剛才委員質詢那我之前有聽說有聽說那你有沒有看到說當事人也澄清了他不是拿教育部的經費是嗎所以我們也澄清了那結果這個是什麼是拿國防部的這個當事人是不是拿國防部的\n\n01:10.902 --> 01:28.223\n所以我們看到國外旅會及出國教育訓練費教育部是統三百分之六是可留用但是國防部呢所屬的統三十五不能留用所以國防部的罪名受到影響嘛是不是這樣這個部分可能要國防部那邊國防部來回問那教育部會不會受影響目前有沒有受到影響\n\n01:29.639 --> 01:48.399\n目前教育部有沒有公費留考的留言但是我們的業務費裡面25%裡面具體的影響目前還在盤查當中好請密切注意我們不希望有這樣的情況發生來我們開始看下一頁目前超高齡社會以我屏東的長幼人口的比例來看因為我們屏東縣大概不到79萬\n\n01:49.480 --> 02:07.553\n六到十五歲的在學人口,就是國民教育人口呢,77.3%那六十五歲呢,反而是20.4%,將近三倍好,那這個嚴重的情況呢,我再舉個例子,讓你知道什麼情況,來往下看那以車神鄉為例,你知道車神鄉是誰的故鄉嗎?\n\n02:09.713 --> 02:32.765\n我們潘孟安秘書長的故鄉車城鄉六十五歲的長輩有一千七百五十三人但是車城國中跟車城國小全部的在學人口六到十五歲的一共不到六百人那我們現在想想看部長請教一下次長請教一下假如要在車城辦營養午餐你覺得有可能用個中央廚房嗎\n\n02:34.147 --> 02:39.073\n其實這地方政府如果提出計畫的話可惜你們會為600個不到的學生地區設一個央廚嗎央廚我們有一個經濟規模\n\n02:43.889 --> 03:04.188\n這個央處的話中央廚房的話大概都是大概兩三千人嘛但是它會有一個是的有個公餐區但是也不能太遠啊你太遠的話呢超過備餐時間會有營養品質的問題對不對好往下看來我們來看一下老幼共學是一個補償的學習為什麼要提到老幼共學呢你知道嗎現在什麼時候實施九年國教的\n\n03:05.879 --> 03:31.956\n1968年好所以說現在70歲以上的長輩啊當年他年輕的時候不是他私學是國家沒有提供他念國中的機會是不是這樣子可是現在的孩子可以念12年啊對不對所以你認為如果現在有機會讓這些70歲以上的長輩回到校園來是一種補償的心理是不是可以補償他當然如果這個地方有一個完備的比較好的一個規劃就補償他嘛對在政策性引導這是一個好的未來\n\n03:32.296 --> 03:57.432\n所以我們說老幼共學其實不是因為年輕的孩子少了我們把老人家抓來學校不是是這些長輩在年輕的時候因為國家的設備資源不足他們失去了這三年可以再學的學習期間我們要補償他我們現在看所以我們來看一下屏東的我們老幼共學領先台北市五年我們利用老人日照十字據點和學校的閒置空間讓社區共同使用來老幼共學但是老幼共學有一個問題\n\n03:59.394 --> 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