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00:01:51,944\n申請租屋補貼的就是非常多的學生族或者一些一剛出社會的上班族他們就是因為可能需要幫忙所以申請一些租屋補貼可是這個房東的稅負會轉嫁到房客身上所以這個房東的如果他的費用減除率只有43%其實相對來講他的所有的稅負是比較高的\n\n6\n00:01:58,527 --> 00:02:20,966\n那包租代管的稅額其實它的費用率是可以扣除到60%所以它的費用率是可以扣除到比較高那去年其實國土署說要跟財政部討論這個稅額扣抵的這個部分這樣的差異會不會造成一國兩制的這個問題請問到目前來講修法的進度為何我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好謝謝\n\n7\n00:02:22,586 --> 00:02:49,801\n跟委員報告其實就有關這個稅率的部分事實上我們在陸陸續續都有找財政部談過那因為他會跟個人的免稅額其實扣抵的免稅額其實兩個是在一致的所以這個部分跟署長報告現在包租貸款的免稅額就是43%跟一般的出租人的可以扣除100塊他可以扣除43的費用等於說他57%的收入要繳稅可是公益出租人的部分\n\n8\n00:02:51,423 --> 00:03:06,677\n我再講一次包租代管的部分是可以扣到60%可以扣到60%所以他收到100塊只有40塊要繳稅可是公益出租人就是一些房東他的費用率只能扣40%跟一般的出租人一樣他要57%要繳稅\n\n9\n00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:29,351\n所以這樣子的問題是不是可以有一個盡快擬定的一個修法的進度應該這麼說因為原來在這個一萬五以下當然是不用那超過限額的部分那是必要是扣六十趴也跟人家講是不是比一般的公益出租人一般的房東要好那但是現在的狀態是說公益出租人是扣百分之十\n\n10\n00:03:30,799 --> 00:03:56,022\n43嘛是包租代管才是扣最主要是房客的部分最主要是房客的部分他還有一個特別扣除額他那個上限那換算租金是一萬五所以我們是因為這樣兩個去比才定在這個一萬五那所以要修的話要兩邊一起調那兩邊一起調就會涉及到說這個一萬五如果放在雙北可能是比較偏低的\n\n11\n00:03:56,542 --> 00:04:20,934\n但是出了雙北它就變成是比較高的水準所以這個變成要不要變成因為可是這又是國稅所以它變成說在國稅的角度以下它很難去訂出一國兩制或一國多制的這樣的一個態度因為它不是地方稅所以是不是費用率兩邊都可以扣除60%有沒有機會調整成一制那個這可能要請財政部再來說明一下\n\n12\n00:04:23,170 --> 00:04:50,058\n跟委員報告當初社會住宅的費用率有60比較高是因為考量到說房東把房屋供這個包租代管他必須支付業者額外的管理費用或者是說他把住宅拿出來做特定用途啊譬如說這個社區長照或托育服務等等他的房東的費用比較高所以那時候是有考量這個因素給他比較高的費用率\n\n13\n00:04:50,971 --> 00:05:13,873\n所以還是沒有考慮說要修正嗎?因為他的房東的成本可能比...沒關係,這個會後我們再找時間來討論好不好第二個就是我相信很多委員都很關心的這個租屋市場黑市還是有在存在那剛剛其實已經有提供資料現在最大的缺口缺口最大的區域想不到在雙北\n\n14\n00:05:14,514 --> 00:05:43,027\n那所以我這邊要請教一下就是說現在剛剛我們講的現在台灣有這個包租代管跟公益出租人的部分就是很多這個房客有申請租屋補貼現在113年取得的有效的租業大概72.7萬筆在潛在的租屋市場規模大概是六成左右那我是不是想請教因為其實現在很多民眾他其實是可以看到一些租金的一些現在整個市場的一些租金的金額他是可以在這個實價登錄可以看到的\n\n15\n00:05:43,587 --> 00:06:04,671\n那我是不是可以拜託就是說現在整個業者現在都是一些出租業者他們有義務要去做這些租金的申報那是不是有機會就是我們有申請這個租金補貼這些公益出租人為了他所有的這些資料有沒有機會也在實價登錄上來去做一個申報因為我相信這中間還是有很大的一個落差\n\n16\n00:06:08,203 --> 00:06:21,196\n有關於租金補貼的部分我們現在已經依照113年底的有效租約52萬戶已經先做一個租金的四分位統計讓民眾來做一個合理的租屋參考那委員應該關心的是租金補貼是不是可以轉到實價登錄\n\n17\n00:06:22,797 --> 00:06:44,527\n那這個部分大概會有幾個問題存在第一個部分這個資料因為由房客來申報不一定是一個正確的資料可能會造成一個資訊的失真那第二個部分它也可能會涉及到各自的一個疑慮那第三個部分就是租金補貼其實是政府一個政策希望來協助房客可能也會讓這個政策的美意受到打折\n\n18\n00:06:44,847 --> 00:07:07,557\n那這個是我們考慮到的意思我的意思是說那如果房客他沒有辦法來去做一個申報的動作的話那未來因為他有收到這個政府的補貼嘛這個政府還有什麼樣的機制可以讓這個租屋市場更加完善那我們現在做的一個部分的話就是利用這個租金補貼的大量資料來做一個大數據分析提供給民眾一個整體的租屋行情這樣\n\n19\n00:07:08,097 --> 00:07:29,734\n就是說未來就是說固定可能半年就是有個租屋的行情這些數字嘛可是不會要求房客要做一個租金的申報實價登錄不會做好那還有一個實際的關係那我還有一個問題現在就是說因為我們在看這個實價登錄裡面有關於很多的這個租金的費用裡面有分一個坪數跟每坪的一個單價這兩個的數字那我知道說現在\n\n20\n00:07:32,836 --> 00:07:46,141\n那個其實實價登錄大家都有在努力就是說分不同的一些的案子或是不同的一些類型的一些房屋他會有做一些比如說是整層或套房或是怎麼樣的一些數據等等這些數據那我裡面有兩個問題要問很多民眾說\n\n21\n00:07:49,522 --> 00:08:11,524\n第一個有這樣的內容是不錯的可是裡面一些實價登錄裡面的資訊裡面他看不到比如說押金管理費清潔費這些東西是不是有機會再做得更詳細那這第二點的部分是不是可以請教說如果沒有翻因為我發現有一些的狀況是說一些的這個大樓就是沒有沒有電梯的他的單價的租金\n\n22\n00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:33,855\n有些甚至高達一些大樓老舊公寓單平的租金大概是兩千塊將近到兩千塊那這個部分你們未來在做整個這個租金的整體的公佈的時候你們怎麼去區分說這個一般的比較就是說他沒有公設的部分怎麼在公佈租金的部分有一個可以讓民眾可以了解的一個方向\n\n23\n00:08:34,926 --> 00:08:53,371\nOK那個有關於租金實價登錄的部分第一個委員關心到說那個有關於那個大樓比較舊的部分那個部分的話我們現在有把屋齡這邊有特別有標示出來所以如果民眾在選在查詢的時候其實就可以從屋齡來判斷大概他是比較老舊還是新的\n\n24\n00:08:53,891 --> 00:09:12,740\n那另外有關委員講到管理費的這一個部分我們現在是有住民如果有管理費要特別去住民那因為管理費一般都是外加所以我們在申報的時候就沒有特別要求業者或是民眾來做這樣的一個申報所以意思就是說民眾未來可以說這個房子是老舊住宅就是說他可能沒有公設就是說\n\n25\n00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:34,395\n套房的部分他們比較老舊的部分就看出來說租金的一些差異最後再拜託一下就是說還是很多民眾針對說現在最重要的就是說租屋的部分有很多房東會把這個電價來去跟這個房客做額外的收那我知道現在已經定型化契約的部分已經有做一個調整的一個部分\n\n26\n00:09:34,895 --> 00:10:02,123\n不過現在還是我相信很多地方在查緝的時候還是發生很多人是用舊的租約那我希望說內政部這邊也來協助地方政府如何趕快讓這些這些租屋或是說一些電力的一些問題不要讓房客來吸收到過多的這個電費的問題向委員報告一下因為去年8月有電費新制的一個規定所以我們現在都在專案檢查要求業者通路商把舊約下架那讓民眾可以使用到新約好謝謝\n\n27\n00:10:06,339 --> 00:10:06,359\n謝謝珍\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2552\t7958\t好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們先請劉部長劉部長有請財政部的倪副組長來財政部有請周委員早\n17059\t39496\t好謝謝部長那部長今天要討論的重點我相信是全民非常的關心的有關於租屋市場的一些相關的問題跟討論那我認為現在租屋市場民眾最關心的就是兩點第一個是這個租金在最近幾年的租金的上漲的幅度非常高在主計數今天的報告有顯示在112年113年分別上漲2.16跟2.45那114年到1到2月平均上漲是2.53\n47502\t72712\t那這都已經創下了這個28年來的新高代表居住的成本近年來都在增加中政府我們知道政府很努力有祭出一些的政策可是效果有限那第一個大家租客認為說最近的租金非常的高那第二個剛剛我相信巧惠文有提到現在還是有非常多的房東不讓房客報租補貼原因就是稅負的一些相關的問題\n73672\t91014\t那本席也在去年的7月11號針對現在兩個租屋的非常大的一個重點一個叫做公益出租人就是房客申請租屋補貼的跟第二個包租代管的稅額扣抵的差異提出質疑顧名思義就是說現在\n92015\t111944\t申請租屋補貼的就是非常多的學生族或者一些一剛出社會的上班族他們就是因為可能需要幫忙所以申請一些租屋補貼可是這個房東的稅負會轉嫁到房客身上所以這個房東的如果他的費用減除率只有43%其實相對來講他的所有的稅負是比較高的\n118527\t140966\t那包租代管的稅額其實它的費用率是可以扣除到60%所以它的費用率是可以扣除到比較高那去年其實國土署說要跟財政部討論這個稅額扣抵的這個部分這樣的差異會不會造成一國兩制的這個問題請問到目前來講修法的進度為何我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好 謝謝\n142586\t169801\t跟委員報告其實就有關這個稅率的部分事實上我們在陸陸續續都有找財政部談過那因為他會跟個人的免稅額其實扣抵的免稅額其實兩個是在一致的所以這個部分跟署長報告現在包租貸款的免稅額就是43%跟一般的出租人的可以扣除100塊他可以扣除43的費用等於說他57%的收入要繳稅可是公益出租人的部分\n171423\t186677\t我再講一次包租代管的部分是可以扣到60%可以扣到60%所以他收到100塊只有40塊要繳稅可是公益出租人就是一些房東他的費用率只能扣40%跟一般的出租人一樣他要57%要繳稅\n189700\t209351\t所以這樣子的問題是不是可以有一個盡快擬定的一個修法的進度應該這麼說因為原來在這個一萬五以下當然是不用那超過限額的部分那是必要是扣六十趴也跟人家講是不是比一般的公益出租人一般的房東要好那但是現在的狀態是說公益出租人是扣百分之十\n210799\t236022\t43嘛 是包租代管才是扣最主要是房客的部分最主要是房客的部分他還有一個特別扣除額他那個上限那換算租金是一萬五所以我們是因為這樣兩個去比才定在這個一萬五那所以要修的話要兩邊一起調那兩邊一起調就會涉及到說這個一萬五如果放在雙北可能是比較偏低的\n236542\t260934\t但是出了雙北它就變成是比較高的水準所以這個變成要不要變成因為可是這又是國稅所以它變成說在國稅的角度以下它很難去訂出一國兩制或一國多制的這樣的一個態度因為它不是地方稅所以是不是費用率兩邊都可以扣除60%有沒有機會調整成一制那個這可能要請財政部再來說明一下\n263170\t290058\t跟委員報告當初社會住宅的費用率有60比較高是因為考量到說房東把房屋供這個包租代管他必須支付業者額外的管理費用或者是說他把住宅拿出來做特定用途啊譬如說這個社區長照或托育服務等等他的房東的費用比較高所以那時候是有考量這個因素給他比較高的費用率\n290971\t313873\t所以還是沒有考慮說要修正嗎?因為他的房東的成本可能比...沒關係,這個會後我們再找時間來討論好不好第二個就是我相信很多委員都很關心的這個租屋市場黑市還是有在存在那剛剛其實已經有提供資料現在最大的缺口缺口最大的區域想不到在雙北\n314514\t343027\t那所以我這邊要請教一下就是說現在剛剛我們講的現在台灣有這個包租代管跟公益出租人的部分就是很多這個房客有申請租屋補貼現在113年取得的有效的租業大概72.7萬筆在潛在的租屋市場規模大概是六成左右那我是不是想請教因為其實現在很多民眾他其實是可以看到一些租金的一些現在整個市場的一些租金的金額他是可以在這個實價登錄可以看到的\n343587\t364671\t那我是不是可以拜託就是說現在整個業者現在都是一些出租業者他們有義務要去做這些租金的申報那是不是有機會就是我們有申請這個租金補貼這些公益出租人為了他所有的這些資料有沒有機會也在實價登錄上來去做一個申報因為我相信這中間還是有很大的一個落差\n368203\t381196\t有關於租金補貼的部分我們現在已經依照113年底的有效租約52萬戶已經先做一個租金的四分位統計讓民眾來做一個合理的租屋參考那委員應該關心的是租金補貼是不是可以轉到實價登錄\n382797\t404527\t那這個部分大概會有幾個問題存在第一個部分這個資料因為由房客來申報不一定是一個正確的資料可能會造成一個資訊的失真那第二個部分它也可能會涉及到各自的一個疑慮那第三個部分就是租金補貼其實是政府一個政策希望來協助房客可能也會讓這個政策的美意受到打折\n404847\t427557\t那這個是我們考慮到的意思我的意思是說那如果房客他沒有辦法來去做一個申報的動作的話那未來因為他有收到這個政府的補貼嘛這個政府還有什麼樣的機制可以讓這個租屋市場更加完善那我們現在做的一個部分的話就是利用這個租金補貼的大量資料來做一個大數據分析提供給民眾一個整體的租屋行情這樣\n428097\t449734\t就是說未來就是說固定可能半年就是有個租屋的行情這些數字嘛可是不會要求房客要做一個租金的申報實價登錄不會做好那還有一個實際的關係那我還有一個問題現在就是說因為我們在看這個實價登錄裡面有關於很多的這個租金的費用裡面有分一個坪數跟每坪的一個單價這兩個的數字那我知道說現在\n452836\t466141\t那個其實實價登錄大家都有在努力就是說分不同的一些的案子或是不同的一些類型的一些房屋他會有做一些比如說是整層或套房或是怎麼樣的一些數據等等這些數據那我裡面有兩個問題要問很多民眾說\n469522\t491524\t第一個有這樣的內容是不錯的可是裡面一些實價登錄裡面的資訊裡面他看不到比如說押金管理費清潔費這些東西是不是有機會再做得更詳細那這第二點的部分是不是可以請教說如果沒有翻因為我發現有一些的狀況是說一些的這個大樓就是沒有沒有電梯的他的單價的租金\n492325\t513855\t有些甚至高達一些大樓老舊公寓單平的租金大概是兩千塊將近到兩千塊那這個部分你們未來在做整個這個租金的整體的公佈的時候你們怎麼去區分說這個一般的比較就是說他沒有公設的部分怎麼在公佈租金的部分有一個可以讓民眾可以了解的一個方向\n514926\t533371\tOK那個有關於租金實價登錄的部分第一個委員關心到說那個有關於那個大樓比較舊的部分那個部分的話我們現在有把屋齡這邊有特別有標示出來所以如果民眾在選在查詢的時候其實就可以從屋齡來判斷大概他是比較老舊還是新的\n533891\t552740\t那另外有關委員講到管理費的這一個部分我們現在是有住民如果有管理費要特別去住民那因為管理費一般都是外加所以我們在申報的時候就沒有特別要求業者或是民眾來做這樣的一個申報所以意思就是說民眾未來可以說這個房子是老舊住宅就是說他可能沒有公設就是說\n553920\t574395\t套房的部分他們比較老舊的部分就看出來說租金的一些差異最後再拜託一下就是說還是很多民眾針對說現在最重要的就是說租屋的部分有很多房東會把這個電價來去跟這個房客做額外的收那我知道現在已經定型化契約的部分已經有做一個調整的一個部分\n574895\t602123\t不過現在還是我相信很多地方在查緝的時候還是發生很多人是用舊的租約那我希望說內政部這邊也來協助地方政府如何趕快讓這些這些租屋或是說一些電力的一些問題不要讓房客來吸收到過多的這個電費的問題向委員報告一下因為去年8月有電費新制的一個規定所以我們現在都在專案檢查要求業者通路商把舊約下架那讓民眾可以使用到新約好 謝謝\n606339\t606359\t謝謝珍\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們先請劉部長劉部長有請財政部的倪副組長來財政部有請周委員早\n好謝謝部長那部長今天要討論的重點我相信是全民非常的關心的有關於租屋市場的一些相關的問題跟討論那我認為現在租屋市場民眾最關心的就是兩點第一個是這個租金在最近幾年的租金的上漲的幅度非常高在主計數今天的報告有顯示在112年113年分別上漲2.16跟2.45那114年到1到2月平均上漲是2.53\n那這都已經創下了這個28年來的新高代表居住的成本近年來都在增加中政府我們知道政府很努力有祭出一些的政策可是效果有限那第一個大家租客認為說最近的租金非常的高那第二個剛剛我相信巧惠文有提到現在還是有非常多的房東不讓房客報租補貼原因就是稅負的一些相關的問題\n那本席也在去年的7月11號針對現在兩個租屋的非常大的一個重點一個叫做公益出租人就是房客申請租屋補貼的跟第二個包租代管的稅額扣抵的差異提出質疑顧名思義就是說現在\n申請租屋補貼的就是非常多的學生族或者一些一剛出社會的上班族他們就是因為可能需要幫忙所以申請一些租屋補貼可是這個房東的稅負會轉嫁到房客身上所以這個房東的如果他的費用減除率只有43%其實相對來講他的所有的稅負是比較高的\n那包租代管的稅額其實它的費用率是可以扣除到60%所以它的費用率是可以扣除到比較高那去年其實國土署說要跟財政部討論這個稅額扣抵的這個部分這樣的差異會不會造成一國兩制的這個問題請問到目前來講修法的進度為何我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好 謝謝\n跟委員報告其實就有關這個稅率的部分事實上我們在陸陸續續都有找財政部談過那因為他會跟個人的免稅額其實扣抵的免稅額其實兩個是在一致的所以這個部分跟署長報告現在包租貸款的免稅額就是43%跟一般的出租人的可以扣除100塊他可以扣除43的費用等於說他57%的收入要繳稅可是公益出租人的部分\n我再講一次包租代管的部分是可以扣到60%可以扣到60%所以他收到100塊只有40塊要繳稅可是公益出租人就是一些房東他的費用率只能扣40%跟一般的出租人一樣他要57%要繳稅\n所以這樣子的問題是不是可以有一個盡快擬定的一個修法的進度應該這麼說因為原來在這個一萬五以下當然是不用那超過限額的部分那是必要是扣六十趴也跟人家講是不是比一般的公益出租人一般的房東要好那但是現在的狀態是說公益出租人是扣百分之十\n43嘛 是包租代管才是扣最主要是房客的部分最主要是房客的部分他還有一個特別扣除額他那個上限那換算租金是一萬五所以我們是因為這樣兩個去比才定在這個一萬五那所以要修的話要兩邊一起調那兩邊一起調就會涉及到說這個一萬五如果放在雙北可能是比較偏低的\n但是出了雙北它就變成是比較高的水準所以這個變成要不要變成因為可是這又是國稅所以它變成說在國稅的角度以下它很難去訂出一國兩制或一國多制的這樣的一個態度因為它不是地方稅所以是不是費用率兩邊都可以扣除60%有沒有機會調整成一制那個這可能要請財政部再來說明一下\n跟委員報告當初社會住宅的費用率有60比較高是因為考量到說房東把房屋供這個包租代管他必須支付業者額外的管理費用或者是說他把住宅拿出來做特定用途啊譬如說這個社區長照或托育服務等等他的房東的費用比較高所以那時候是有考量這個因素給他比較高的費用率\n所以還是沒有考慮說要修正嗎?因為他的房東的成本可能比...沒關係,這個會後我們再找時間來討論好不好第二個就是我相信很多委員都很關心的這個租屋市場黑市還是有在存在那剛剛其實已經有提供資料現在最大的缺口缺口最大的區域想不到在雙北\n那所以我這邊要請教一下就是說現在剛剛我們講的現在台灣有這個包租代管跟公益出租人的部分就是很多這個房客有申請租屋補貼現在113年取得的有效的租業大概72.7萬筆在潛在的租屋市場規模大概是六成左右那我是不是想請教因為其實現在很多民眾他其實是可以看到一些租金的一些現在整個市場的一些租金的金額他是可以在這個實價登錄可以看到的\n那我是不是可以拜託就是說現在整個業者現在都是一些出租業者他們有義務要去做這些租金的申報那是不是有機會就是我們有申請這個租金補貼這些公益出租人為了他所有的這些資料有沒有機會也在實價登錄上來去做一個申報因為我相信這中間還是有很大的一個落差\n有關於租金補貼的部分我們現在已經依照113年底的有效租約52萬戶已經先做一個租金的四分位統計讓民眾來做一個合理的租屋參考那委員應該關心的是租金補貼是不是可以轉到實價登錄\n那這個部分大概會有幾個問題存在第一個部分這個資料因為由房客來申報不一定是一個正確的資料可能會造成一個資訊的失真那第二個部分它也可能會涉及到各自的一個疑慮那第三個部分就是租金補貼其實是政府一個政策希望來協助房客可能也會讓這個政策的美意受到打折\n那這個是我們考慮到的意思我的意思是說那如果房客他沒有辦法來去做一個申報的動作的話那未來因為他有收到這個政府的補貼嘛這個政府還有什麼樣的機制可以讓這個租屋市場更加完善那我們現在做的一個部分的話就是利用這個租金補貼的大量資料來做一個大數據分析提供給民眾一個整體的租屋行情這樣\n就是說未來就是說固定可能半年就是有個租屋的行情這些數字嘛可是不會要求房客要做一個租金的申報實價登錄不會做好那還有一個實際的關係那我還有一個問題現在就是說因為我們在看這個實價登錄裡面有關於很多的這個租金的費用裡面有分一個坪數跟每坪的一個單價這兩個的數字那我知道說現在\n那個其實實價登錄大家都有在努力就是說分不同的一些的案子或是不同的一些類型的一些房屋他會有做一些比如說是整層或套房或是怎麼樣的一些數據等等這些數據那我裡面有兩個問題要問很多民眾說\n第一個有這樣的內容是不錯的可是裡面一些實價登錄裡面的資訊裡面他看不到比如說押金管理費清潔費這些東西是不是有機會再做得更詳細那這第二點的部分是不是可以請教說如果沒有翻因為我發現有一些的狀況是說一些的這個大樓就是沒有沒有電梯的他的單價的租金\n有些甚至高達一些大樓老舊公寓單平的租金大概是兩千塊將近到兩千塊那這個部分你們未來在做整個這個租金的整體的公佈的時候你們怎麼去區分說這個一般的比較就是說他沒有公設的部分怎麼在公佈租金的部分有一個可以讓民眾可以了解的一個方向\nOK那個有關於租金實價登錄的部分第一個委員關心到說那個有關於那個大樓比較舊的部分那個部分的話我們現在有把屋齡這邊有特別有標示出來所以如果民眾在選在查詢的時候其實就可以從屋齡來判斷大概他是比較老舊還是新的\n那另外有關委員講到管理費的這一個部分我們現在是有住民如果有管理費要特別去住民那因為管理費一般都是外加所以我們在申報的時候就沒有特別要求業者或是民眾來做這樣的一個申報所以意思就是說民眾未來可以說這個房子是老舊住宅就是說他可能沒有公設就是說\n套房的部分他們比較老舊的部分就看出來說租金的一些差異最後再拜託一下就是說還是很多民眾針對說現在最重要的就是說租屋的部分有很多房東會把這個電價來去跟這個房客做額外的收那我知道現在已經定型化契約的部分已經有做一個調整的一個部分\n不過現在還是我相信很多地方在查緝的時候還是發生很多人是用舊的租約那我希望說內政部這邊也來協助地方政府如何趕快讓這些這些租屋或是說一些電力的一些問題不要讓房客來吸收到過多的這個電費的問題向委員報告一下因為去年8月有電費新制的一個規定所以我們現在都在專案檢查要求業者通路商把舊約下架那讓民眾可以使用到新約好 謝謝\n謝謝珍\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.552 --> 00:07.958\n好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們先請劉部長劉部長有請財政部的倪副組長來財政部有請周委員早\n\n00:17.059 --> 00:39.496\n好謝謝部長那部長今天要討論的重點我相信是全民非常的關心的有關於租屋市場的一些相關的問題跟討論那我認為現在租屋市場民眾最關心的就是兩點第一個是這個租金在最近幾年的租金的上漲的幅度非常高在主計數今天的報告有顯示在112年113年分別上漲2.16跟2.45那114年到1到2月平均上漲是2.53\n\n00:47.502 --> 01:12.712\n那這都已經創下了這個28年來的新高代表居住的成本近年來都在增加中政府我們知道政府很努力有祭出一些的政策可是效果有限那第一個大家租客認為說最近的租金非常的高那第二個剛剛我相信巧惠文有提到現在還是有非常多的房東不讓房客報租補貼原因就是稅負的一些相關的問題\n\n01:13.672 --> 01:31.014\n那本席也在去年的7月11號針對現在兩個租屋的非常大的一個重點一個叫做公益出租人就是房客申請租屋補貼的跟第二個包租代管的稅額扣抵的差異提出質疑顧名思義就是說現在\n\n01:32.015 --> 01:51.944\n申請租屋補貼的就是非常多的學生族或者一些一剛出社會的上班族他們就是因為可能需要幫忙所以申請一些租屋補貼可是這個房東的稅負會轉嫁到房客身上所以這個房東的如果他的費用減除率只有43%其實相對來講他的所有的稅負是比較高的\n\n01:58.527 --> 02:20.966\n那包租代管的稅額其實它的費用率是可以扣除到60%所以它的費用率是可以扣除到比較高那去年其實國土署說要跟財政部討論這個稅額扣抵的這個部分這樣的差異會不會造成一國兩制的這個問題請問到目前來講修法的進度為何我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好謝謝\n\n02:22.586 --> 02:49.801\n跟委員報告其實就有關這個稅率的部分事實上我們在陸陸續續都有找財政部談過那因為他會跟個人的免稅額其實扣抵的免稅額其實兩個是在一致的所以這個部分跟署長報告現在包租貸款的免稅額就是43%跟一般的出租人的可以扣除100塊他可以扣除43的費用等於說他57%的收入要繳稅可是公益出租人的部分\n\n02:51.423 --> 03:06.677\n我再講一次包租代管的部分是可以扣到60%可以扣到60%所以他收到100塊只有40塊要繳稅可是公益出租人就是一些房東他的費用率只能扣40%跟一般的出租人一樣他要57%要繳稅\n\n03:09.700 --> 03:29.351\n所以這樣子的問題是不是可以有一個盡快擬定的一個修法的進度應該這麼說因為原來在這個一萬五以下當然是不用那超過限額的部分那是必要是扣六十趴也跟人家講是不是比一般的公益出租人一般的房東要好那但是現在的狀態是說公益出租人是扣百分之十\n\n03:30.799 --> 03:56.022\n43嘛是包租代管才是扣最主要是房客的部分最主要是房客的部分他還有一個特別扣除額他那個上限那換算租金是一萬五所以我們是因為這樣兩個去比才定在這個一萬五那所以要修的話要兩邊一起調那兩邊一起調就會涉及到說這個一萬五如果放在雙北可能是比較偏低的\n\n03:56.542 --> 04:20.934\n但是出了雙北它就變成是比較高的水準所以這個變成要不要變成因為可是這又是國稅所以它變成說在國稅的角度以下它很難去訂出一國兩制或一國多制的這樣的一個態度因為它不是地方稅所以是不是費用率兩邊都可以扣除60%有沒有機會調整成一制那個這可能要請財政部再來說明一下\n\n04:23.170 --> 04:50.058\n跟委員報告當初社會住宅的費用率有60比較高是因為考量到說房東把房屋供這個包租代管他必須支付業者額外的管理費用或者是說他把住宅拿出來做特定用途啊譬如說這個社區長照或托育服務等等他的房東的費用比較高所以那時候是有考量這個因素給他比較高的費用率\n\n04:50.971 --> 05:13.873\n所以還是沒有考慮說要修正嗎?因為他的房東的成本可能比...沒關係,這個會後我們再找時間來討論好不好第二個就是我相信很多委員都很關心的這個租屋市場黑市還是有在存在那剛剛其實已經有提供資料現在最大的缺口缺口最大的區域想不到在雙北\n\n05:14.514 --> 05:43.027\n那所以我這邊要請教一下就是說現在剛剛我們講的現在台灣有這個包租代管跟公益出租人的部分就是很多這個房客有申請租屋補貼現在113年取得的有效的租業大概72.7萬筆在潛在的租屋市場規模大概是六成左右那我是不是想請教因為其實現在很多民眾他其實是可以看到一些租金的一些現在整個市場的一些租金的金額他是可以在這個實價登錄可以看到的\n\n05:43.587 --> 06:04.671\n那我是不是可以拜託就是說現在整個業者現在都是一些出租業者他們有義務要去做這些租金的申報那是不是有機會就是我們有申請這個租金補貼這些公益出租人為了他所有的這些資料有沒有機會也在實價登錄上來去做一個申報因為我相信這中間還是有很大的一個落差\n\n06:08.203 --> 06:21.196\n有關於租金補貼的部分我們現在已經依照113年底的有效租約52萬戶已經先做一個租金的四分位統計讓民眾來做一個合理的租屋參考那委員應該關心的是租金補貼是不是可以轉到實價登錄\n\n06:22.797 --> 06:44.527\n那這個部分大概會有幾個問題存在第一個部分這個資料因為由房客來申報不一定是一個正確的資料可能會造成一個資訊的失真那第二個部分它也可能會涉及到各自的一個疑慮那第三個部分就是租金補貼其實是政府一個政策希望來協助房客可能也會讓這個政策的美意受到打折\n\n06:44.847 --> 07:07.557\n那這個是我們考慮到的意思我的意思是說那如果房客他沒有辦法來去做一個申報的動作的話那未來因為他有收到這個政府的補貼嘛這個政府還有什麼樣的機制可以讓這個租屋市場更加完善那我們現在做的一個部分的話就是利用這個租金補貼的大量資料來做一個大數據分析提供給民眾一個整體的租屋行情這樣\n\n07:08.097 --> 07:29.734\n就是說未來就是說固定可能半年就是有個租屋的行情這些數字嘛可是不會要求房客要做一個租金的申報實價登錄不會做好那還有一個實際的關係那我還有一個問題現在就是說因為我們在看這個實價登錄裡面有關於很多的這個租金的費用裡面有分一個坪數跟每坪的一個單價這兩個的數字那我知道說現在\n\n07:32.836 --> 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