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00:00:43,711\n法令執行的落差還有租賃品質低落於供給不足等架構性的問題不僅是影響年輕人與弱勢族群的居住權益尤其是台北、新北、台中等\n\n3\n00:00:44,591 --> 00:01:03,949\n房价所得的比较高年轻人也难以负担购物高房价与低薪的矛盾使得很多人逼迫选择高房价或者还选择比较便宜但是又长时间的通勤\n\n4\n00:01:05,090 --> 00:01:23,329\n請教部長有沒有具體的方案不要讓我們居住正義淪為口號還如何加速推動租賃住宅的全面登錄謝謝委員的關心我們在今天的報告裡面其實已經有點出來第一個在內政部跟財政部就剛剛委員\n\n5\n00:01:25,771 --> 00:01:48,476\n很多委員所關心的譬如說提出胡蘿蔔或是提出棍子這樣的措施都有做精進但是現在比較大的麻煩就是說所謂的租賃市場要透明化的部分牽涉到的是個人的民間跟民間之間的契約那公權力比較不容易加進去也就是說我要求房東\n\n6\n00:01:49,776 --> 00:02:03,246\n你要公布你的租金那房客呢他也要求要做實價登錄但是他如果做不到或者是沒辦法做到的時候呢目前我們的法令或是法律基礎比較不容易那根據我們所公布出來的就是現在有72.7萬戶的這個租金補貼的這個部分的話目前比較會需要做經濟措施多的是弱於雙倍\n\n7\n00:02:11,112 --> 00:02:16,736\n那雙北的部分剛剛我們很多內政部跟財政部的官員對委員的質詢的時候已經有提出一些改善的措施但是我們需要時間譬如說剛有提到如果我們要把這個所謂的公共設施或者是所謂的這個外加的這個情形列進去的話在我們行政院的消保費的定型化契約並沒有包含在內那還有一個就是地方政府呢對於我們現在已經有改善新的定型化契約他到底有沒有做到那這個呢我們在地政司呢做專案查核的時候呢會把它列進去\n\n8\n00:02:41,653 --> 00:02:51,286\n看到很多的實質都是報告如果是很多實質我們有提供數據給大家參考要去修法所以我們才根據在2023年的房價所得\n\n9\n00:02:56,773 --> 00:02:58,674\n高達9.72在2024年更高漲了在10.082全台租金的指數就是穩定\n\n10\n00:03:12,203 --> 00:03:18,467\n不穩定的一直上升所以說我們看到的是這樣才說要去修法嘛如果是你都在做沒有人反應民眾就沒有收央的話所以我們就不會去修法了所以說許多那個住戶就是沒有揭露他的資訊不是說只有說房租沒有揭露就不足的話\n\n11\n00:03:39,941 --> 00:04:00,762\n雖然是說我們租賃的市場管理條例以規範實路登錄以資訊提供實証但是執行不足所以我們才是說希望考慮建立透明化的平台\n\n12\n00:04:01,443 --> 00:04:22,686\n或者有什么惩罚的还有就是说稽查的机制这样子的话才会让真正的我们的民众有保障我们希望的是实际的不是报告的因为如果你们报告有效的话网络或者是说其他人就不会去申诉了是不是这样\n\n13\n00:04:24,997 --> 00:04:42,835\n這邊向委員報告一下有關於租屋透明化的部分第一個有關於現在仲介如果沒核的租賃案件或是轉租業者的轉租案件這個都要做實價登錄那第二個部分的話我們也透過一個租金補貼資料來公布一個租金的統計讓民眾來做一個知道\n\n14\n00:04:43,564 --> 00:05:01,763\n那這是第一個部分那第二個部分有關於租客的權益保障的部分有關於糾紛的部分我們現在也在推動法服的部分來提供民眾的一個租屋糾紛的諮詢那以現在來講的話每個月大概會有400件的一個諮詢量這個對民眾的幫助是非常大以上報告\n\n15\n00:05:03,337 --> 00:05:19,609\n是但是我們現在我們台灣大部分我們都是個人房東所以也缺雜的企業化還有就是管理的機制所以我們希望就是這樣子的品質不穩定落差太大\n\n16\n00:05:20,109 --> 00:05:24,470\n才會造成很多的一些問題反而就是說我們在日本我們看到的就是我們的業者還有大東就是建託大東建託的集團在日本他們就關於就是說積水住屋或者積房的管理\n\n17\n00:05:43,676 --> 00:05:46,318\n他們用這樣子的機制所以我們希望我們台灣要有一些就是企業化的管理還有專業的進入這樣市場才能達到就是不同的地方因為剛才你回的其他的委員就說地方跟中央啊怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣這樣就是因為我們沒有真正的實際的登錄還有就是我們的\n\n18\n00:06:10,692 --> 00:06:15,396\n規劃的管理才會造成很多的黑市不透明的資訊嘛\n\n19\n00:06:17,443 --> 00:06:44,910\n所以我們希望說要不管是說租屋或者是包租代管這個部分我們要有不同的策略才能達到我們的人民的需求沒有的話這樣子沒有考慮到這個我們就是說我們要做但是不管任何的公司也好政府也好所以我們一定要依照我們的法令要怎麼樣去訂一些機制\n\n20\n00:06:46,870 --> 00:07:06,121\n像是我们的租赁租债管理业者的登录的制度在我们在2021年的时候就是有立法模式就是租赁租债管理业法所以这个是落实的吗我们想要的是落实的吗\n\n21\n00:07:08,464 --> 00:07:36,604\n這邊跟委員報告委員有特別關心租賃條例有關於向日本的一個專業管理的部分那我們從106年制定那一個租賃條例就引進包租代管的制度現在全國大概有1782家的業者那也有2萬個一個已經測驗合格的一個管理員那這個對於租屋市場有非常的幫助大的幫助那現在已經包租代管的案件到現在已經有22萬戶其實在租屋市場裡面是佔一個非常大的比例\n\n22\n00:07:37,004 --> 00:07:43,410\n講得很好但是呢依據我們全球的房地產的調查我們國家的租金報酬率約2.09%屬於至是極差的等級在低報酬情況下許多就是我們的物主寧可就是放空就是要導致就是高房價還有空屋率\n\n23\n00:08:05,608 --> 00:08:16,018\n這個部分所以你講的是很好但是為什麼大家去調查就會這樣所以我們政府就是要你出說我們要如何提升就是雙方的\n\n24\n00:08:19,011 --> 00:08:36,966\n幼嬰這樣子的政策不管是屋主願意提供或者我們的租屋我們要去租的我們的年輕人還有弱勢高齡因為現在很多高齡他們去租屋很多房東是不願意給他們租\n\n25\n00:08:38,247 --> 00:08:59,802\n還有說家裡有小孩比較小他們也不太願意給他們租所以這樣子的機制管理的話對我們的弱勢者有什麼幫助這個部分我們也希望說我們內政部這邊要提出更落實的更便民的這樣子的機制才能達到我們的居住正義\n\n26\n00:09:00,598 --> 00:09:07,030\n的口號不要只是說叫做口號而已沒有真的是我們是很驕傲在我們台灣的這個租屋的問題\n\n27\n00:09:12,983 --> 00:09:36,296\n最後也麻煩一點時間跟我們回應第一個我們透過包租代管的話希望把市場由個人房東轉為專業管理那這個部分也可以加速一些空屋的一個釋出因為幫忙房東來做一些管理的動作那第二個部分的話現在社會我們的包租代管其實也有結合社宅的包租代管可以照顧到更多一個弱勢戶以上報告\n\n28\n00:09:37,016 --> 00:09:39,958\n所以我覺得我們現在最後給我一分鐘我們是要解決的問題就是我們要強化囤房稅還有就是房地合一的稅也減少就是投機炒作還有增加社會租宅的供給\n\n29\n00:09:57,771 --> 00:10:12,768\n还有保证我们的租屋的合理性还有申请门槛也是要公平改善就是租屋市场的范围也提升租屋的保障就是杜绝我们市场交易不合理的\n\n30\n00:10:13,248 --> 00:10:22,012\n去約這個是有很多的還有這是包含我們新住民他們是沒有身份證他們離婚了帶著小孩有的房東連租給他都沒有給連他們的要租了又沒辦法給他們設戶籍\n\n31\n00:10:30,955 --> 00:10:53,604\n這個也是一個很大的一些問題所以這個部分我們希望說我們要積極去推動不要說就是地方還有中央有落差七成也有落差像我們新加坡就是有族群的分別還有職業的分別還有不同的領域\n\n32\n00:10:54,403 --> 00:11:05,895\n來去做管理還有我們的族群來去分配我覺得說我們台灣要多去參考其他國家的才對我們的人民更有幫助以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2810\t5191\t主席好 有請部長部長有請委員長部長好根據最新統計與學者的研究指出我國的住宅市場長期就是存在資訊不透明\n26375\t43711\t法令執行的落差還有租賃品質低落於供給不足等架構性的問題不僅是影響年輕人與弱勢族群的居住權益尤其是台北、新北、台中等\n44591\t63949\t房价所得的比较高年轻人也难以负担购物高房价与低薪的矛盾使得很多人逼迫选择高房价或者还选择比较便宜但是又长时间的通勤\n65090\t83329\t請教部長有沒有具體的方案不要讓我們居住正義淪為口號還如何加速推動租賃住宅的全面登錄謝謝委員的關心我們在今天的報告裡面其實已經有點出來第一個在內政部跟財政部就剛剛委員\n85771\t108476\t很多委員所關心的譬如說提出胡蘿蔔或是提出棍子這樣的措施都有做精進但是現在比較大的麻煩就是說所謂的租賃市場要透明化的部分牽涉到的是個人的民間跟民間之間的契約那公權力比較不容易加進去也就是說我要求房東\n109776\t123246\t你要公布你的租金那房客呢他也要求要做實價登錄但是他如果做不到或者是沒辦法做到的時候呢目前我們的法令或是法律基礎比較不容易那根據我們所公布出來的就是現在有72.7萬戶的這個租金補貼的這個部分的話目前比較會需要做經濟措施多的是弱於雙倍\n131112\t136736\t那雙北的部分剛剛我們很多內政部跟財政部的官員對委員的質詢的時候已經有提出一些改善的措施但是我們需要時間譬如說剛有提到如果我們要把這個所謂的公共設施或者是所謂的這個外加的這個情形列進去的話在我們行政院的消保費的定型化契約並沒有包含在內那還有一個就是地方政府呢對於我們現在已經有改善新的定型化契約他到底有沒有做到那這個呢我們在地政司呢做專案查核的時候呢會把它列進去\n161653\t171286\t看到很多的實質都是報告如果是很多實質我們有提供數據給大家參考要去修法所以我們才根據在2023年的房價所得\n176773\t178674\t高達9.72在2024年更高漲了在10.082全台租金的指數就是穩定\n192203\t198467\t不穩定的一直上升所以說我們看到的是這樣才說要去修法嘛如果是你都在做沒有人反應民眾就沒有收央的話所以我們就不會去修法了所以說許多那個住戶就是沒有揭露他的資訊不是說只有說房租沒有揭露就不足的話\n219941\t240762\t雖然是說我們租賃的市場管理條例以規範實路登錄以資訊提供實証但是執行不足所以我們才是說希望考慮建立透明化的平台\n241443\t262686\t或者有什么惩罚的还有就是说稽查的机制这样子的话才会让真正的我们的民众有保障我们希望的是实际的不是报告的因为如果你们报告有效的话网络或者是说其他人就不会去申诉了是不是这样\n264997\t282835\t這邊向委員報告一下有關於租屋透明化的部分第一個有關於現在仲介如果沒核的租賃案件或是轉租業者的轉租案件這個都要做實價登錄那第二個部分的話我們也透過一個租金補貼資料來公布一個租金的統計讓民眾來做一個知道\n283564\t301763\t那這是第一個部分那第二個部分有關於租客的權益保障的部分有關於糾紛的部分我們現在也在推動法服的部分來提供民眾的一個租屋糾紛的諮詢那以現在來講的話每個月大概會有400件的一個諮詢量這個對民眾的幫助是非常大以上報告\n303337\t319609\t是但是我們現在我們台灣大部分我們都是個人房東所以也缺雜的企業化還有就是管理的機制所以我們希望就是這樣子的品質不穩定落差太大\n320109\t324470\t才會造成很多的一些問題反而就是說我們在日本我們看到的就是我們的業者還有大東就是建託大東建託的集團在日本他們就關於就是說積水住屋或者積房的管理\n343676\t346318\t他們用這樣子的機制所以我們希望我們台灣要有一些就是企業化的管理還有專業的進入這樣市場才能達到就是不同的地方因為剛才你回的其他的委員就說地方跟中央啊怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣這樣就是因為我們沒有真正的實際的登錄還有就是我們的\n370692\t375396\t規劃的管理才會造成很多的黑市不透明的資訊嘛\n377443\t404910\t所以我們希望說要不管是說租屋或者是包租代管這個部分我們要有不同的策略才能達到我們的人民的需求沒有的話這樣子沒有考慮到這個我們就是說我們要做但是不管任何的公司也好政府也好所以我們一定要依照我們的法令要怎麼樣去訂一些機制\n406870\t426121\t像是我们的租赁租债管理业者的登录的制度在我们在2021年的时候就是有立法模式就是租赁租债管理业法所以这个是落实的吗我们想要的是落实的吗\n428464\t456604\t這邊跟委員報告委員有特別關心租賃條例有關於向日本的一個專業管理的部分那我們從106年制定那一個租賃條例就引進包租代管的制度現在全國大概有1782家的業者那也有2萬個一個已經測驗合格的一個管理員那這個對於租屋市場有非常的幫助大的幫助那現在已經包租代管的案件到現在已經有22萬戶其實在租屋市場裡面是佔一個非常大的比例\n457004\t463410\t講得很好但是呢依據我們全球的房地產的調查我們國家的租金報酬率約2.09%屬於至是極差的等級在低報酬情況下許多就是我們的物主寧可就是放空就是要導致就是高房價還有空屋率\n485608\t496018\t這個部分所以你講的是很好但是為什麼大家去調查就會這樣所以我們政府就是要你出說我們要如何提升就是雙方的\n499011\t516966\t幼嬰這樣子的政策不管是屋主願意提供或者我們的租屋我們要去租的我們的年輕人還有弱勢高齡因為現在很多高齡他們去租屋很多房東是不願意給他們租\n518247\t539802\t還有說家裡有小孩比較小他們也不太願意給他們租所以這樣子的機制管理的話對我們的弱勢者有什麼幫助這個部分我們也希望說我們內政部這邊要提出更落實的更便民的這樣子的機制才能達到我們的居住正義\n540598\t547030\t的口號不要只是說叫做口號而已沒有真的是我們是很驕傲在我們台灣的這個租屋的問題\n552983\t576296\t最後也麻煩一點時間跟我們回應第一個我們透過包租代管的話希望把市場由個人房東轉為專業管理那這個部分也可以加速一些空屋的一個釋出因為幫忙房東來做一些管理的動作那第二個部分的話現在社會我們的包租代管其實也有結合社宅的包租代管可以照顧到更多一個弱勢戶以上報告\n577016\t579958\t所以我覺得我們現在最後給我一分鐘我們是要解決的問題就是我們要強化囤房稅還有就是房地合一的稅也減少就是投機炒作還有增加社會租宅的供給\n597771\t612768\t还有保证我们的租屋的合理性还有申请门槛也是要公平改善就是租屋市场的范围也提升租屋的保障就是杜绝我们市场交易不合理的\n613248\t622012\t去約這個是有很多的還有這是包含我們新住民他們是沒有身份證他們離婚了帶著小孩有的房東連租給他都沒有給連他們的要租了又沒辦法給他們設戶籍\n630955\t653604\t這個也是一個很大的一些問題所以這個部分我們希望說我們要積極去推動不要說就是地方還有中央有落差七成也有落差像我們新加坡就是有族群的分別還有職業的分別還有不同的領域\n654403\t665895\t來去做管理還有我們的族群來去分配我覺得說我們台灣要多去參考其他國家的才對我們的人民更有幫助以上謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 有請部長部長有請委員長部長好根據最新統計與學者的研究指出我國的住宅市場長期就是存在資訊不透明\n法令執行的落差還有租賃品質低落於供給不足等架構性的問題不僅是影響年輕人與弱勢族群的居住權益尤其是台北、新北、台中等\n房价所得的比较高年轻人也难以负担购物高房价与低薪的矛盾使得很多人逼迫选择高房价或者还选择比较便宜但是又长时间的通勤\n請教部長有沒有具體的方案不要讓我們居住正義淪為口號還如何加速推動租賃住宅的全面登錄謝謝委員的關心我們在今天的報告裡面其實已經有點出來第一個在內政部跟財政部就剛剛委員\n很多委員所關心的譬如說提出胡蘿蔔或是提出棍子這樣的措施都有做精進但是現在比較大的麻煩就是說所謂的租賃市場要透明化的部分牽涉到的是個人的民間跟民間之間的契約那公權力比較不容易加進去也就是說我要求房東\n你要公布你的租金那房客呢他也要求要做實價登錄但是他如果做不到或者是沒辦法做到的時候呢目前我們的法令或是法律基礎比較不容易那根據我們所公布出來的就是現在有72.7萬戶的這個租金補貼的這個部分的話目前比較會需要做經濟措施多的是弱於雙倍\n那雙北的部分剛剛我們很多內政部跟財政部的官員對委員的質詢的時候已經有提出一些改善的措施但是我們需要時間譬如說剛有提到如果我們要把這個所謂的公共設施或者是所謂的這個外加的這個情形列進去的話在我們行政院的消保費的定型化契約並沒有包含在內那還有一個就是地方政府呢對於我們現在已經有改善新的定型化契約他到底有沒有做到那這個呢我們在地政司呢做專案查核的時候呢會把它列進去\n看到很多的實質都是報告如果是很多實質我們有提供數據給大家參考要去修法所以我們才根據在2023年的房價所得\n高達9.72在2024年更高漲了在10.082全台租金的指數就是穩定\n不穩定的一直上升所以說我們看到的是這樣才說要去修法嘛如果是你都在做沒有人反應民眾就沒有收央的話所以我們就不會去修法了所以說許多那個住戶就是沒有揭露他的資訊不是說只有說房租沒有揭露就不足的話\n雖然是說我們租賃的市場管理條例以規範實路登錄以資訊提供實証但是執行不足所以我們才是說希望考慮建立透明化的平台\n或者有什么惩罚的还有就是说稽查的机制这样子的话才会让真正的我们的民众有保障我们希望的是实际的不是报告的因为如果你们报告有效的话网络或者是说其他人就不会去申诉了是不是这样\n這邊向委員報告一下有關於租屋透明化的部分第一個有關於現在仲介如果沒核的租賃案件或是轉租業者的轉租案件這個都要做實價登錄那第二個部分的話我們也透過一個租金補貼資料來公布一個租金的統計讓民眾來做一個知道\n那這是第一個部分那第二個部分有關於租客的權益保障的部分有關於糾紛的部分我們現在也在推動法服的部分來提供民眾的一個租屋糾紛的諮詢那以現在來講的話每個月大概會有400件的一個諮詢量這個對民眾的幫助是非常大以上報告\n是但是我們現在我們台灣大部分我們都是個人房東所以也缺雜的企業化還有就是管理的機制所以我們希望就是這樣子的品質不穩定落差太大\n才會造成很多的一些問題反而就是說我們在日本我們看到的就是我們的業者還有大東就是建託大東建託的集團在日本他們就關於就是說積水住屋或者積房的管理\n他們用這樣子的機制所以我們希望我們台灣要有一些就是企業化的管理還有專業的進入這樣市場才能達到就是不同的地方因為剛才你回的其他的委員就說地方跟中央啊怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣這樣就是因為我們沒有真正的實際的登錄還有就是我們的\n規劃的管理才會造成很多的黑市不透明的資訊嘛\n所以我們希望說要不管是說租屋或者是包租代管這個部分我們要有不同的策略才能達到我們的人民的需求沒有的話這樣子沒有考慮到這個我們就是說我們要做但是不管任何的公司也好政府也好所以我們一定要依照我們的法令要怎麼樣去訂一些機制\n像是我们的租赁租债管理业者的登录的制度在我们在2021年的时候就是有立法模式就是租赁租债管理业法所以这个是落实的吗我们想要的是落实的吗\n這邊跟委員報告委員有特別關心租賃條例有關於向日本的一個專業管理的部分那我們從106年制定那一個租賃條例就引進包租代管的制度現在全國大概有1782家的業者那也有2萬個一個已經測驗合格的一個管理員那這個對於租屋市場有非常的幫助大的幫助那現在已經包租代管的案件到現在已經有22萬戶其實在租屋市場裡面是佔一個非常大的比例\n講得很好但是呢依據我們全球的房地產的調查我們國家的租金報酬率約2.09%屬於至是極差的等級在低報酬情況下許多就是我們的物主寧可就是放空就是要導致就是高房價還有空屋率\n這個部分所以你講的是很好但是為什麼大家去調查就會這樣所以我們政府就是要你出說我們要如何提升就是雙方的\n幼嬰這樣子的政策不管是屋主願意提供或者我們的租屋我們要去租的我們的年輕人還有弱勢高齡因為現在很多高齡他們去租屋很多房東是不願意給他們租\n還有說家裡有小孩比較小他們也不太願意給他們租所以這樣子的機制管理的話對我們的弱勢者有什麼幫助這個部分我們也希望說我們內政部這邊要提出更落實的更便民的這樣子的機制才能達到我們的居住正義\n的口號不要只是說叫做口號而已沒有真的是我們是很驕傲在我們台灣的這個租屋的問題\n最後也麻煩一點時間跟我們回應第一個我們透過包租代管的話希望把市場由個人房東轉為專業管理那這個部分也可以加速一些空屋的一個釋出因為幫忙房東來做一些管理的動作那第二個部分的話現在社會我們的包租代管其實也有結合社宅的包租代管可以照顧到更多一個弱勢戶以上報告\n所以我覺得我們現在最後給我一分鐘我們是要解決的問題就是我們要強化囤房稅還有就是房地合一的稅也減少就是投機炒作還有增加社會租宅的供給\n还有保证我们的租屋的合理性还有申请门槛也是要公平改善就是租屋市场的范围也提升租屋的保障就是杜绝我们市场交易不合理的\n去約這個是有很多的還有這是包含我們新住民他們是沒有身份證他們離婚了帶著小孩有的房東連租給他都沒有給連他們的要租了又沒辦法給他們設戶籍\n這個也是一個很大的一些問題所以這個部分我們希望說我們要積極去推動不要說就是地方還有中央有落差七成也有落差像我們新加坡就是有族群的分別還有職業的分別還有不同的領域\n來去做管理還有我們的族群來去分配我覺得說我們台灣要多去參考其他國家的才對我們的人民更有幫助以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.810 --> 00:05.191\n主席好有請部長部長有請委員長部長好根據最新統計與學者的研究指出我國的住宅市場長期就是存在資訊不透明\n\n00:26.375 --> 00:43.711\n法令執行的落差還有租賃品質低落於供給不足等架構性的問題不僅是影響年輕人與弱勢族群的居住權益尤其是台北、新北、台中等\n\n00:44.591 --> 01:03.949\n房价所得的比较高年轻人也难以负担购物高房价与低薪的矛盾使得很多人逼迫选择高房价或者还选择比较便宜但是又长时间的通勤\n\n01:05.090 --> 01:23.329\n請教部長有沒有具體的方案不要讓我們居住正義淪為口號還如何加速推動租賃住宅的全面登錄謝謝委員的關心我們在今天的報告裡面其實已經有點出來第一個在內政部跟財政部就剛剛委員\n\n01:25.771 --> 01:48.476\n很多委員所關心的譬如說提出胡蘿蔔或是提出棍子這樣的措施都有做精進但是現在比較大的麻煩就是說所謂的租賃市場要透明化的部分牽涉到的是個人的民間跟民間之間的契約那公權力比較不容易加進去也就是說我要求房東\n\n01:49.776 --> 02:03.246\n你要公布你的租金那房客呢他也要求要做實價登錄但是他如果做不到或者是沒辦法做到的時候呢目前我們的法令或是法律基礎比較不容易那根據我們所公布出來的就是現在有72.7萬戶的這個租金補貼的這個部分的話目前比較會需要做經濟措施多的是弱於雙倍\n\n02:11.112 --> 02:16.736\n那雙北的部分剛剛我們很多內政部跟財政部的官員對委員的質詢的時候已經有提出一些改善的措施但是我們需要時間譬如說剛有提到如果我們要把這個所謂的公共設施或者是所謂的這個外加的這個情形列進去的話在我們行政院的消保費的定型化契約並沒有包含在內那還有一個就是地方政府呢對於我們現在已經有改善新的定型化契約他到底有沒有做到那這個呢我們在地政司呢做專案查核的時候呢會把它列進去\n\n02:41.653 --> 02:51.286\n看到很多的實質都是報告如果是很多實質我們有提供數據給大家參考要去修法所以我們才根據在2023年的房價所得\n\n02:56.773 --> 02:58.674\n高達9.72在2024年更高漲了在10.082全台租金的指數就是穩定\n\n03:12.203 --> 03:18.467\n不穩定的一直上升所以說我們看到的是這樣才說要去修法嘛如果是你都在做沒有人反應民眾就沒有收央的話所以我們就不會去修法了所以說許多那個住戶就是沒有揭露他的資訊不是說只有說房租沒有揭露就不足的話\n\n03:39.941 --> 04:00.762\n雖然是說我們租賃的市場管理條例以規範實路登錄以資訊提供實証但是執行不足所以我們才是說希望考慮建立透明化的平台\n\n04:01.443 --> 04:22.686\n或者有什么惩罚的还有就是说稽查的机制这样子的话才会让真正的我们的民众有保障我们希望的是实际的不是报告的因为如果你们报告有效的话网络或者是说其他人就不会去申诉了是不是这样\n\n04:24.997 --> 04:42.835\n這邊向委員報告一下有關於租屋透明化的部分第一個有關於現在仲介如果沒核的租賃案件或是轉租業者的轉租案件這個都要做實價登錄那第二個部分的話我們也透過一個租金補貼資料來公布一個租金的統計讓民眾來做一個知道\n\n04:43.564 --> 05:01.763\n那這是第一個部分那第二個部分有關於租客的權益保障的部分有關於糾紛的部分我們現在也在推動法服的部分來提供民眾的一個租屋糾紛的諮詢那以現在來講的話每個月大概會有400件的一個諮詢量這個對民眾的幫助是非常大以上報告\n\n05:03.337 --> 05:19.609\n是但是我們現在我們台灣大部分我們都是個人房東所以也缺雜的企業化還有就是管理的機制所以我們希望就是這樣子的品質不穩定落差太大\n\n05:20.109 --> 05:24.470\n才會造成很多的一些問題反而就是說我們在日本我們看到的就是我們的業者還有大東就是建託大東建託的集團在日本他們就關於就是說積水住屋或者積房的管理\n\n05:43.676 --> 05:46.318\n他們用這樣子的機制所以我們希望我們台灣要有一些就是企業化的管理還有專業的進入這樣市場才能達到就是不同的地方因為剛才你回的其他的委員就說地方跟中央啊怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣這樣就是因為我們沒有真正的實際的登錄還有就是我們的\n\n06:10.692 --> 06:15.396\n規劃的管理才會造成很多的黑市不透明的資訊嘛\n\n06:17.443 --> 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部分。第二個是租客權益保障，有關於糾紛的部分，我們現在也在推動法扶提供民眾租屋糾紛的諮詢，以現在來講，每個月大概會有400件的諮詢量，這個對民眾的幫助非常大，以上報告。"],["麥委員玉珍：是，但是現在我們臺灣大部分都是個人房東，所以也缺乏企業化還有管理的機制，所以這樣子的品質不穩定，落差太大，才會造成很多的問題。反而在日本，我們看到他們的業者像大東建託集團、積水住宅集團，他們用這樣子的機制，所以我們希望臺灣要有一些契約化的管理，還有讓專業進入市場，才能達到不同地方的需求，因為剛才你回答其他委員都是說地方跟中央怎麼樣、怎麼樣，就是因為我們沒有真正的實價登錄，還有就是規劃管理，才會造成很多的黑市、不透明的資訊。","所以我們希望不管是租屋或者是包租代管這個部分，我們要有不同的策略，才能達到我們人民的需求，如果沒有考慮到這個，我們只是說要做，但是不管任何公司也好、政府也好，我們一定要依照我們的法令看怎樣去訂一些機制，比如說租賃住宅管理業者登錄制度，日本在2021年時的立法模式就是租賃住宅管理業法，所以這個是能落實的嗎？我們想要的是能落實的嗎？"],["林代理司長家正：這邊跟委員報告，委員有特別關心租賃條例有關於像日本專業管理的部分，我們從106年制定那一個租賃條例就引進包租代管的制度，現在全國大概有1,782家業者，也有2萬個已經測驗合格的管理員，這個對於租屋市場有非常大的幫助，有關包租代管案件到現在已經有22萬戶，其實在租屋市場裡面是占一個非常大的比例。"],["麥委員玉珍：講得很好，但是依據全球房地產的調查，我們國家的租金報酬率約2.09%，屬於極差的等級，在低報酬的情況下，許多屋主寧可空置而導致高房價，還有空屋率這個部分，所以你講得雖然很好，但是為什麼大家去調查卻是這樣？所以我們政府就是要提出如何提升雙方誘因的政策，不管是屋主願意提供或者我們要去租屋的年輕人、還有弱勢、高齡，因為現在很多高齡去租屋，很多房東不願意租給他們，還有家裡有比較小的小孩，他們也不太願意租給他們，所以這樣子的管理機制，對我們的弱勢者有什麼幫助？這個部分我們也希望內政部這邊要提出更能落實的、更便民的機制，才能達到居住正義，而不僅是口號，要真正讓我們對於解決臺灣租屋問題而感到驕傲。"],["林代理司長家正：好，最後也麻煩一點時間給我們回應。第一個，我們透過包租代管的話，希望把市場由個人房東轉為專業管理，這個部分也可以加速一些空屋的釋出，因為幫忙房東來做一些管理的動作。第二個部分，現在我們的包租代管其實也有結合社宅的包租代管，可以照顧到更多弱勢戶，以上報告。"],["麥委員玉珍：所以我覺得我們現在需解決的問題就是要強化囤房稅，還有房地合一的稅，也要減少投機炒作，還有增加社會住宅的供給，還有保證租屋的合理性，還有申請門檻也是要公平，改善租屋市場的範圍，也提升租屋的保障，杜絕市場交易不合理的契約，這個是有很多的。當然還有我們新住民，他們沒有身分證，他們離婚了帶著小孩，有的房東連租都不租給他，連他們要租了，又沒辦法給他們設戶籍，這個也是一些很大的問題，所以這個部分，我們希望你們要積極去推動，不要讓地方和中央有落差，基層也有落差。像新加坡就是有族群的分別，還有職業的分別，還有不同的領域來做管理，還有以族群去分配，我覺得我們臺灣要多去參考其他國家，對我們的人民更有幫助，以上，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝麥玉珍委員。","下一位我們請王美惠委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":132,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-5","speakers":["牛煦庭","蘇巧慧","張智倫","麥玉珍","王美惠","張宏陸","黃捷","黃建賓","丁學忠","李柏毅","吳琪銘","許宇甄","張啓楷","邱志偉","楊瓊瓔","徐欣瑩","黃健豪","黃珊珊","鍾佳濱","郭國文","高金素梅"],"page_start":63,"meetingDate":["2025-03-24"],"gazette_id":"1143002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143002_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請內政部部長、行政院消費者保護處處長、財政部就「租賃住宅市場透明化之現況及展望」進\n行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143002_00002"}}}