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00:01:47,214\n都有但是因為我多了一個52條那有關於這個店家可能大家比較爭議的部分所以這個不排進來我沒有意見但是呢前面這個跟院板一樣的是不是也應該併進來這個部分再麻煩主席採視一下要不然我的就在空中飛啊我怎麼在空中飛這個部分再拜託\n\n6\n00:01:49,742 --> 00:02:12,952\n這次的審查是以院版為主因為院版的比較沒爭議啦所以我不堅持啦就是說院版沒有爭議所以我的這一次沒有排進來那OK就是院版的先處理那我的部分另外就是說因為這裡面跟院版都沒有異議所以也應該要併進來謝謝\n\n7\n00:02:16,013 --> 00:02:32,985\n那我之後再看著因為我的已經都附委了已經在我們委員會了謝謝謝謝主席我要問一下部長請教一下部長就是說我們現在媒體一直在炒說電價4月就要開始凝長6%而且這個6%是會影響到民生物價喔部長這怎麼辦而且是904萬戶喔這非常嚴重喔\n\n8\n00:02:45,959 --> 00:03:01,332\n這怎麼辦報告委員我想這個您漲6%這個訊息應該是媒體報導我們不知道他是從哪裡來的訊息如果最後也是漲6%我們在內部的討論並沒有討論到這一條沒有討論到這一條沒有討論到這一條就我在主持的會議裡面\n\n9\n00:03:13,769 --> 00:03:30,676\n沒有這個6%這樣的一個案子部長因為我們要擔心的是說我們目前本來就是去年去年我們用追加但是現在沒有過在協商當中\n\n10\n00:03:31,957 --> 00:03:48,172\n追加要做撥補由我們政府來做撥補的動作沒過一千億然後在這一次也一樣一千億我們是要編列預算的是被直接刪掉這樣的一個缺口兩千億兩千億耶\n\n11\n00:03:51,363 --> 00:04:07,364\n我覺得這個意見在當時候就大家都沒有意義就是要政府來撥補可是為什麼碰到政治議題又改變了我一直強調電價是民生經濟的議題不是政治的議題\n\n12\n00:04:08,445 --> 00:04:21,955\n所以現在面臨去年的追加1000億沒有過還在空中飛然後在今年的1000億是直接被刪掉這個怎麼辦然後現在媒體又傳出說馬上4月要漲6%\n\n13\n00:04:26,994 --> 00:04:47,556\n那部長說沒有這個訊息好那最後如果真的這個缺口沒辦法電價審議委員會就給他大刀一砍那怎麼辦報告委員我想這個所謂的您剛才所指導的這個2000億的部分事實上我想政府本來就是有準備\n\n14\n00:04:48,806 --> 00:05:10,755\n那在這個我們這個經濟委員會各位委員也都非常的睿智只刪了我們30億我們委員會大家都沒有意見呢送到大園區以後才被刪掉的所以我們當然是非常的這個難過因為這個事情基本上這個補助2000億的目的是在\n\n15\n00:05:12,236 --> 00:05:28,016\n讓我們台電的舉債的這個這個缺口能夠下降我們現在是負債4000多億嘛那下降2000億我們大概利息就會差了差不多50億這個部分是對我們來講在財務上面有很大的這個這個\n\n16\n00:05:30,641 --> 00:05:48,954\n補助讓我們台電的同仁也比較有信心說政府有在照顧他們不然的話他們你看看颱風來他們半夜都要去這個救災做了半死結果呢這個政府的好意要到這個要來補助我們台電的財務情況\n\n17\n00:05:51,005 --> 00:06:01,949\n這怎麼辦啦如果這樣的話大家擔心的是這後續如果真的漲了電價所影響的是物價而且現在大家越講是越明喔連%數都出來了好這怎麼辦所影響的部分這可能更多喔\n\n18\n00:06:08,932 --> 00:06:35,533\n我個人是沒有收到這樣的一個方向的資訊那麼這個坊間大家在推論的部分我也不知道是從哪裡來的部長我真的要拜託因為我們今天為了要省電源法時間有限我要拜託這個電價民生的電價真的不能動一動下去連我們說的物價非漲上去我告訴你漲上去之後就回不來了\n\n19\n00:06:36,474 --> 00:06:55,040\n民生物價真的民生物價關鍵在這個店的問題所以真的我們民生的店價不能漲是這個部分部長我要拜託充分的這個考慮這個真的要拜託還有你剛剛有講到一點就是說台電員工的福利\n\n20\n00:06:56,243 --> 00:06:58,364\n就像你說的套房落戶風台廳人在休息人在第一算要去清修要去做回鄉的工作但是他們的福利其實一直都沒有很大的增加\n\n21\n00:07:11,448 --> 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