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00:01:11,664\n那個就是付公務人員的薪水也沒有辦法辦各種的一個業務那更不要講說基礎的一個建設其實如果沒有妥定的一個制定就是很好的一個政策其實我們這個國家會陷入在一個困境裡頭所以我想在野檔的二三預算其實大家都苦不堪言\n\n5\n00:01:12,384 --> 00:01:35,014\n那在上個星期五3月21號賴總統已經正式宣布了今年度被在野黨亂山亂動的一個總預算總統就是已經下令了那我們在這裡看到到就是從114年度我們的預算案法定預算這個是空白追加預算案也是空白\n\n6\n00:01:35,894 --> 00:01:57,289\n那現在我要請教你就是說從去年開始9月開議以後在野黨就一直在阻礙這個總預算的一個通過其實到了上個月2月19號才終於把這個案子送出來竹記長我想我們現在看到了你的官網裡頭你的法定預算還是空白的就是說\n\n7\n00:01:59,105 --> 00:02:13,953\n是不是因為這一次的三途通過的一個總預算在刪減的一個科目跟金額上面有很多的一個問題所以你沒有辦法把這個華電的預算把它就是很明顯的就是寫上去是不是這樣的一個困難\n\n8\n00:02:15,097 --> 00:02:37,445\n因為現在目前碰到的困難就是說他要我們通案三檢一個636億的這個部分我們會有困難那這個困難我們還是要跟立法院來做一個說明希望立法院能夠支持這個部分看是要怎麼樣來處理能夠進行協商是這樣子所以你提出來了嗎\n\n9\n00:02:39,230 --> 00:02:56,928\n我們目前正在研議當中我們也很快會提出來那另外我們也會針對就是說部分單位它被刪減的很厲害就是刪減到0或者是實際上運作有困難的這個部分水電匯戶不出來這些部分\n\n10\n00:02:57,348 --> 00:03:04,335\n我們先優先的要來申請動之第二預備金所以主席的妳的帳已經對上來了嗎就是被刪減的跟妳自己的帳有沒有對上來了\n\n11\n00:03:10,475 --> 00:03:29,856\n目前就是這個部分我們還是在對上還是有一些的疑議啦這個部分所以我們也會是希望說這個部分將來譬如說我們達成協調以後要用什麼樣數字來刪減或者是說要用什麼數字來做一個宣佈\n\n12\n00:03:30,696 --> 00:03:47,924\n或核對以後把數字再把它列出來這樣所以就是說在野黨胡亂的就是三讀造成審查後說出的一個數額這個有很大的一個爭議那未能易解那就像我們非常清楚就是說照這一次三讀內容的一個\n\n13\n00:03:48,884 --> 00:04:03,935\n計算的話我們他是刪減就是要刪減2076億喔可是主計總署你詳細校對了以後發現需要確確的一個科目刪除的金額其實只要1439億那這兩筆兩筆錢差了636億元那這樣子的話在野黨也沒有非常明確的說他要刪什麼科目\n\n14\n00:04:14,582 --> 00:04:18,671\n反過來要行政院自行調整三減數這個完全會刪了刪了那怎麼辦咧\n\n15\n00:04:23,211 --> 00:04:49,651\n所以這個部分我們就是刪減有困難那第二個這個刪渡內容這個部分要刪減2076億元的部分是有部分的單位預算他刪減數超過預算數超過7000多萬那所以這個部分就是會比較有問題那這個部分我們會照他就是說他的預算數來刪所以數字跟宣布的部分數字是會有出入那另外一個就是刪636億的部分沒有辦法刪\n\n16\n00:04:52,273 --> 00:05:17,737\n而且等於說如果說要刪了要追加預算也要符合追加預算一個一個所定的一個原則他有事項的一個條件所以這個部分我們也是在努力中好努力中這個要非常的努力因為這個在野黨三這個二三這個預算我們很明確看得出來就是說其實是在阿扁時代的時候有一個就是中\n\n17\n00:05:18,617 --> 00:05:38,508\n總預算的法定預算稅出跟我們的那個三減數大家看到了一個就是在阿扁時代這個大概是5.04那就是馬英九時代2012年的時候他其實是三減的額度非常少只刪了0.02%\n\n18\n00:05:40,269 --> 00:05:53,759\n那一樣就是說就算同樣都是草小野大啦這個阿扁時代的時候你看喔它刪減的比例最高也是在2002年也不過刪了就是5%那這一次這麼嚴重刪了6.63%啦所以我想這個其實\n\n19\n00:05:59,824 --> 00:06:27,103\n是在破壞了整個中央的一個運作我們看得非常的一個清楚那所有三檢凍結其實集中在特定的一個機關的業務會那我們看到了就是監察院還有不斷單場處理委員會行政院還有總統府甚至我們看到了最離譜的就是一個就是內政部那個國土署它有一個在細指的那個白富的社會住宅\n\n20\n00:06:29,804 --> 00:06:47,909\n這一個規劃叫1.2億,結果把它刪掉,變成超過了它的預算數超刪了多了300萬,這個實在是非常非常的離譜啊甚至就是說在監察院裡頭,在監察院這個被刪了,我覺得這個在野黨\n\n21\n00:06:52,330 --> 00:07:14,738\n他這個其實是在圖利監察院他除了領薪水以外他叫他們什麼事都不要做所以這麼奇怪的一個三預算的一個方式實在是非常的誇張那這個主計長我想在這裡啦我覺得就是說也是要跟你共同的去再做一個探討就是說預算三成這個樣子你會不會擔心\n\n22\n00:07:18,988 --> 00:07:35,013\n我們是盡力來做協調盡力來把問題解決因為像監察院一直跟我們說他水電會付不出來那那個台電公司要求他還要寫還款的一個協議所以這個部分我們也是希望說能夠儘早把問題解決\n\n23\n00:07:37,154 --> 00:08:03,632\n這個是非常嚴重的你看凍結總預算比那個三年前平均增加了九倍這個非常嚴重會影響很多的招標案跟補助案我們看到了就是說在這個最低工資的審議案其實他也受到影響了本來是午夜要辦的人力應用調查可是或許他也會因為就是說這一波的一個那個凍結預算讓主計總處的人力調查\n\n24\n00:08:07,495 --> 00:08:11,101\n那未來行政院有可能就是有什麼比較好的那個救濟的一個措施還是因應的作為嗎\n\n25\n00:08:23,173 --> 00:08:40,878\n是那我們現在就是說針對那個剛剛就是說如果被凍結那個條件的部分我們是希望說能夠先送到立法院來然後跟立法院來進行協調先針對凍結的部分能夠進行解凍那刪減的部分我們是希望說\n\n26\n00:08:42,018 --> 00:09:02,684\n因為他有一部分是三減到零這個部分我們先動二倍金然後跟立法院來報告先動二倍金對報告說請動二倍金來先支援到六月那然後等到我們辦追加減預算這個條件這個部分是不是能夠先協調說大概我三減的如果說我要照他\n\n27\n00:09:04,083 --> 00:09:29,449\n總數來三減希望將來能夠這三減數能夠恢復以上的一個說明好主席長我想這個總統也把那個在上個禮拜五也一併的這個財劃法也一併的公告了這個財劃法其實這個對掏空中央弱化地方的財政這個我們看得非常清楚他就讓地方政府變成是一個媽寶其實我們看到了就是說\n\n28\n00:09:30,729 --> 00:09:55,281\n最多的一個補助的一個比例是在離島跟那個比例喔是在花東跟離島啦那這一次的修法其實有兩大的一個問題我們都非常地一個清楚了那地方要到錢不一定做對的事其實有時候我們反而覺得就是這個財化法是在陷害地方政府這些縣市長反而就是說\n\n29\n00:09:57,082 --> 00:10:13,352\n會是一個陷阱那如何因應就是越糟糕的一個財化法這一次這個財化法我們看得非常清楚就是重北侵難非常的惡劣如果要搭配補助款來通盤檢討跟分配\n\n30\n00:10:14,272 --> 00:10:29,957\n那應該是一定要這樣做必要的話甚至要調整整個補助補助款的一個公式我想在這裡我要替所有的一個農業的一個縣市來講像其實以我們台南來講的話\n\n31\n00:10:31,477 --> 00:10:54,792\n以我們台南來講的話其實我們拿到了150億結果我們的地下鐵就需要的是中央的補助款是256億現在中央告訴我們說他只能補助我們五成而已所以我想這個都是非常嚴重的一個問題那請那個主計長就是說也請你們加油啦請加油謝謝主席好謝謝賴教委的諮詢\n\n32\n00:10:59,056 --> 00:11:06,705\n我們本來要休息的不過李英雄已經到了就是你執行完了我們確定休息好不好請李委員執行\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n248\t4193\t賴委員質詢完畢以後我們休息十分鐘好謝謝主席我們有請主席長\n13496\t30598\t委員好 主席長 午安 早安 早安先跟主席長致意 也跟你致敬你在上週的花蓮的演講 真的實在是令人感動 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追加預算案也是空白\n95894\t117289\t那現在我要請教你就是說從去年開始9月開議以後在野黨就一直在阻礙這個總預算的一個通過其實到了上個月2月19號才終於把這個案子送出來竹記長我想我們現在看到了你的官網裡頭你的法定預算還是空白的就是說\n119105\t133953\t是不是因為這一次的三途通過的一個總預算在刪減的一個科目跟金額上面有很多的一個問題所以你沒有辦法把這個華電的預算把它就是很明顯的就是寫上去是不是這樣的一個困難\n135097\t157445\t因為現在目前碰到的困難就是說他要我們通案三檢一個636億的這個部分我們會有困難那這個困難我們還是要跟立法院來做一個說明希望立法院能夠支持這個部分看是要怎麼樣來處理能夠進行協商是這樣子所以你提出來了嗎\n159230\t176928\t我們目前正在研議當中我們也很快會提出來那另外我們也會針對就是說部分單位它被刪減的很厲害就是刪減到0或者是實際上運作有困難的這個部分水電匯戶不出來這些部分\n177348\t184335\t我們先優先的要來申請動之第二預備金所以主席的妳的帳已經對上來了嗎就是被刪減的跟妳自己的帳有沒有對上來了\n190475\t209856\t目前就是這個部分我們還是在對上還是有一些的疑議啦這個部分所以我們也會是希望說這個部分將來譬如說我們達成協調以後要用什麼樣數字來刪減或者是說要用什麼數字來做一個宣佈\n210696\t227924\t或核對以後把數字再把它列出來這樣所以就是說在野黨胡亂的就是三讀造成審查後說出的一個數額這個有很大的一個爭議那未能易解那就像我們非常清楚就是說照這一次三讀內容的一個\n228884\t243935\t計算的話我們他是刪減就是要刪減2076億喔可是主計總署你詳細校對了以後發現需要確確的一個科目刪除的金額其實只要1439億那這兩筆兩筆錢差了636億元那這樣子的話在野黨也沒有非常明確的說他要刪什麼科目\n254582\t258671\t反過來要行政院自行調整三減數這個完全會刪了 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只刪了0.02%\n340269\t353759\t那一樣就是說就算同樣都是草小野大啦這個阿扁時代的時候你看喔它刪減的比例最高也是在2002年也不過刪了就是5%那這一次這麼嚴重刪了6.63%啦所以我想這個其實\n359824\t387103\t是在破壞了整個中央的一個運作我們看得非常的一個清楚那所有三檢凍結其實集中在特定的一個機關的業務會那我們看到了就是監察院還有不斷單場處理委員會行政院還有總統府甚至我們看到了最離譜的就是一個就是內政部那個國土署它有一個在細指的那個白富的社會住宅\n389804\t407909\t這一個規劃叫1.2億,結果把它刪掉,變成超過了它的預算數超刪了多了300萬,這個實在是非常非常的離譜啊甚至就是說在監察院裡頭,在監察院這個被刪了,我覺得這個在野黨\n412330\t434738\t他這個其實是在圖利監察院他除了領薪水以外他叫他們什麼事都不要做所以這麼奇怪的一個三預算的一個方式實在是非常的誇張那這個主計長我想在這裡啦我覺得就是說也是要跟你共同的去再做一個探討就是說預算三成這個樣子你會不會擔心\n438988\t455013\t我們是盡力來做協調盡力來把問題解決因為像監察院一直跟我們說他水電會付不出來那那個台電公司要求他還要寫還款的一個協議所以這個部分我們也是希望說能夠儘早把問題解決\n457154\t483632\t這個是非常嚴重的你看凍結總預算比那個三年前平均增加了九倍這個非常嚴重會影響很多的招標案跟補助案我們看到了就是說在這個最低工資的審議案其實他也受到影響了本來是午夜要辦的人力應用調查可是或許他也會因為就是說這一波的一個那個凍結預算讓主計總處的人力調查\n487495\t491101\t那未來行政院有可能就是有什麼比較好的那個救濟的一個措施還是因應的作為嗎\n503173\t520878\t是那我們現在就是說針對那個剛剛就是說如果被凍結那個條件的部分我們是希望說能夠先送到立法院來然後跟立法院來進行協調先針對凍結的部分能夠進行解凍那刪減的部分我們是希望說\n522018\t542684\t因為他有一部分是三減到零這個部分我們先動二倍金然後跟立法院來報告先動二倍金對報告說請動二倍金來先支援到六月那然後等到我們辦追加減預算這個條件這個部分是不是能夠先協調說大概我三減的如果說我要照他\n544083\t569449\t總數來三減希望將來能夠這三減數能夠恢復以上的一個說明好 主席長我想這個總統也把那個在上個禮拜五也一併的這個財劃法也一併的公告了這個財劃法其實這個對掏空中央弱化地方的財政這個我們看得非常清楚他就讓地方政府變成是一個媽寶其實我們看到了就是說\n570729\t595281\t最多的一個補助的一個比例是在離島跟那個比例喔是在花東跟離島啦那這一次的修法其實有兩大的一個問題我們都非常地一個清楚了那地方要到錢不一定做對的事其實有時候我們反而覺得就是這個財化法是在陷害地方政府這些縣市長反而就是說\n597082\t613352\t會是一個陷阱那如何因應就是越糟糕的一個財化法這一次這個財化法我們看得非常清楚就是重北侵難 非常的惡劣如果要搭配補助款來通盤檢討跟分配\n614272\t629957\t那應該是一定要這樣做 必要的話甚至要調整整個補助補助款的一個公式我想在這裡我要替所有的一個農業的一個縣市來講像其實以我們台南來講的話\n631477\t654792\t以我們台南來講的話其實我們拿到了150億結果我們的地下鐵就需要的是中央的補助款是256億現在中央告訴我們說他只能補助我們五成而已所以我想這個都是非常嚴重的一個問題那請那個主計長就是說也請你們加油啦請加油謝謝主席好 謝謝賴教委的諮詢\n659056\t666705\t我們本來要休息的 不過李英雄已經到了就是你執行完了 我們確定休息好不好請李委員執行\n","txt":"賴委員質詢完畢以後我們休息十分鐘好謝謝主席我們有請主席長\n委員好 主席長 午安 早安 早安先跟主席長致意 也跟你致敬你在上週的花蓮的演講 真的實在是令人感動 非常謝謝\n我想這個不管算帳還是總預算還是做那個調查的一個統計這些基本功其實都是整個政府運作的一個核心的一個基礎那如果沒有這一些的話其實我們也沒有辦法\n那個就是付公務人員的薪水也沒有辦法辦各種的一個業務那更不要講說基礎的一個建設其實如果沒有妥定的一個制定就是很好的一個政策其實我們這個國家會陷入在一個困境裡頭所以我想在野檔的二三預算其實大家都苦不堪言\n那在上個星期五3月21號賴總統已經正式宣布了今年度被在野黨亂山亂動的一個總預算總統就是已經下令了那我們在這裡看到到就是從114年度我們的預算案 法定預算這個是空白 追加預算案也是空白\n那現在我要請教你就是說從去年開始9月開議以後在野黨就一直在阻礙這個總預算的一個通過其實到了上個月2月19號才終於把這個案子送出來竹記長我想我們現在看到了你的官網裡頭你的法定預算還是空白的就是說\n是不是因為這一次的三途通過的一個總預算在刪減的一個科目跟金額上面有很多的一個問題所以你沒有辦法把這個華電的預算把它就是很明顯的就是寫上去是不是這樣的一個困難\n因為現在目前碰到的困難就是說他要我們通案三檢一個636億的這個部分我們會有困難那這個困難我們還是要跟立法院來做一個說明希望立法院能夠支持這個部分看是要怎麼樣來處理能夠進行協商是這樣子所以你提出來了嗎\n我們目前正在研議當中我們也很快會提出來那另外我們也會針對就是說部分單位它被刪減的很厲害就是刪減到0或者是實際上運作有困難的這個部分水電匯戶不出來這些部分\n我們先優先的要來申請動之第二預備金所以主席的妳的帳已經對上來了嗎就是被刪減的跟妳自己的帳有沒有對上來了\n目前就是這個部分我們還是在對上還是有一些的疑議啦這個部分所以我們也會是希望說這個部分將來譬如說我們達成協調以後要用什麼樣數字來刪減或者是說要用什麼數字來做一個宣佈\n或核對以後把數字再把它列出來這樣所以就是說在野黨胡亂的就是三讀造成審查後說出的一個數額這個有很大的一個爭議那未能易解那就像我們非常清楚就是說照這一次三讀內容的一個\n計算的話我們他是刪減就是要刪減2076億喔可是主計總署你詳細校對了以後發現需要確確的一個科目刪除的金額其實只要1439億那這兩筆兩筆錢差了636億元那這樣子的話在野黨也沒有非常明確的說他要刪什麼科目\n反過來要行政院自行調整三減數這個完全會刪了 刪了那怎麼辦咧\n所以這個部分我們就是刪減有困難那第二個這個刪渡內容這個部分要刪減2076億元的部分是有部分的單位預算他刪減數超過預算數超過7000多萬那所以這個部分就是會比較有問題那這個部分我們會照他就是說他的預算數來刪所以數字跟宣布的部分數字是會有出入那另外一個就是刪636億的部分沒有辦法刪\n而且等於說如果說要刪了要追加預算也要符合追加預算一個一個所定的一個原則他有事項的一個條件所以這個部分我們也是在努力中好努力中這個要非常的努力因為這個在野黨三這個二三這個預算我們很明確看得出來就是說其實是在阿扁時代的時候有一個就是中\n總預算的法定預算 稅出跟我們的那個三減數大家看到了一個就是在阿扁時代 這個大概是5.04那就是馬英九時代2012年的時候 他其實是三減的額度非常少 只刪了0.02%\n那一樣就是說就算同樣都是草小野大啦這個阿扁時代的時候你看喔它刪減的比例最高也是在2002年也不過刪了就是5%那這一次這麼嚴重刪了6.63%啦所以我想這個其實\n是在破壞了整個中央的一個運作我們看得非常的一個清楚那所有三檢凍結其實集中在特定的一個機關的業務會那我們看到了就是監察院還有不斷單場處理委員會行政院還有總統府甚至我們看到了最離譜的就是一個就是內政部那個國土署它有一個在細指的那個白富的社會住宅\n這一個規劃叫1.2億,結果把它刪掉,變成超過了它的預算數超刪了多了300萬,這個實在是非常非常的離譜啊甚至就是說在監察院裡頭,在監察院這個被刪了,我覺得這個在野黨\n他這個其實是在圖利監察院他除了領薪水以外他叫他們什麼事都不要做所以這麼奇怪的一個三預算的一個方式實在是非常的誇張那這個主計長我想在這裡啦我覺得就是說也是要跟你共同的去再做一個探討就是說預算三成這個樣子你會不會擔心\n我們是盡力來做協調盡力來把問題解決因為像監察院一直跟我們說他水電會付不出來那那個台電公司要求他還要寫還款的一個協議所以這個部分我們也是希望說能夠儘早把問題解決\n這個是非常嚴重的你看凍結總預算比那個三年前平均增加了九倍這個非常嚴重會影響很多的招標案跟補助案我們看到了就是說在這個最低工資的審議案其實他也受到影響了本來是午夜要辦的人力應用調查可是或許他也會因為就是說這一波的一個那個凍結預算讓主計總處的人力調查\n那未來行政院有可能就是有什麼比較好的那個救濟的一個措施還是因應的作為嗎\n是那我們現在就是說針對那個剛剛就是說如果被凍結那個條件的部分我們是希望說能夠先送到立法院來然後跟立法院來進行協調先針對凍結的部分能夠進行解凍那刪減的部分我們是希望說\n因為他有一部分是三減到零這個部分我們先動二倍金然後跟立法院來報告先動二倍金對報告說請動二倍金來先支援到六月那然後等到我們辦追加減預算這個條件這個部分是不是能夠先協調說大概我三減的如果說我要照他\n總數來三減希望將來能夠這三減數能夠恢復以上的一個說明好 主席長我想這個總統也把那個在上個禮拜五也一併的這個財劃法也一併的公告了這個財劃法其實這個對掏空中央弱化地方的財政這個我們看得非常清楚他就讓地方政府變成是一個媽寶其實我們看到了就是說\n最多的一個補助的一個比例是在離島跟那個比例喔是在花東跟離島啦那這一次的修法其實有兩大的一個問題我們都非常地一個清楚了那地方要到錢不一定做對的事其實有時候我們反而覺得就是這個財化法是在陷害地方政府這些縣市長反而就是說\n會是一個陷阱那如何因應就是越糟糕的一個財化法這一次這個財化法我們看得非常清楚就是重北侵難 非常的惡劣如果要搭配補助款來通盤檢討跟分配\n那應該是一定要這樣做 必要的話甚至要調整整個補助補助款的一個公式我想在這裡我要替所有的一個農業的一個縣市來講像其實以我們台南來講的話\n以我們台南來講的話其實我們拿到了150億結果我們的地下鐵就需要的是中央的補助款是256億現在中央告訴我們說他只能補助我們五成而已所以我想這個都是非常嚴重的一個問題那請那個主計長就是說也請你們加油啦請加油謝謝主席好 謝謝賴教委的諮詢\n我們本來要休息的 不過李英雄已經到了就是你執行完了 我們確定休息好不好請李委員執行\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.248 --> 00:04.193\n賴委員質詢完畢以後我們休息十分鐘好謝謝主席我們有請主席長\n\n00:13.496 --> 00:30.598\n委員好主席長午安早安早安先跟主席長致意也跟你致敬你在上週的花蓮的演講真的實在是令人感動非常謝謝\n\n00:32.080 --> 00:47.831\n我想這個不管算帳還是總預算還是做那個調查的一個統計這些基本功其實都是整個政府運作的一個核心的一個基礎那如果沒有這一些的話其實我們也沒有辦法\n\n00:48.652 --> 01:11.664\n那個就是付公務人員的薪水也沒有辦法辦各種的一個業務那更不要講說基礎的一個建設其實如果沒有妥定的一個制定就是很好的一個政策其實我們這個國家會陷入在一個困境裡頭所以我想在野檔的二三預算其實大家都苦不堪言\n\n01:12.384 --> 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