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00:03:26,459\n給予協助也就是說我們在這個當地國我們可以找到通路商然後來告訴他們希望能夠取得通路商那麼對我們也去了解工具機工會他們需要這個我們政府什麼樣的這個協助所以我們也不斷的跟這個這幾個產業產業工會在討論\n\n10\n00:03:30,282 --> 00:03:54,012\n那我現在對於這個供應鏈的部分我們從今年開始改變就是說對供應鏈的部分我們希望能夠紮根在台灣特別是現在有很多的產業特別受美國的影響它需要的是非紅供應鏈也就是說紅色的供應鏈過去在世界上面的肆虐的部分\n\n11\n00:03:56,113 --> 00:04:13,514\n會轉來台灣因為如果台灣能夠替代的話我們就這個新的市場就產生了但是我要先講你說到了就是要協助他們就是導入AI然後再打磨或是相關方面其實目前中小企業他們\n\n12\n00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:34,833\n都還沒有開始所以我們從現在開始從下個月開始我們已經都內部溝通過了我們所有的法人機構一定要把那個產業裡面所需要的AI的這個技術跟AI的應用跟AI的那個應用場域都把它建設起來然後讓這中小微企業進來學習\n\n13\n00:04:37,725 --> 00:05:06,903\n你不主張他們離開台灣嗎沒有沒有沒有他們的我們有很多的方法就是說第一個他接近市場如果接近市場我們輔導他到這個接近市場的地方如果他是在台灣才有這些resource我們協助他在台灣壯大然後讓他我們以大帶小讓這些產業能夠集結因為我們過去的問題是規模太小\n\n14\n00:05:07,823 --> 00:05:30,303\n規模太小難以因應中國的這個大型的企業的這種這種拓展所以我們現在改變模式把台灣的中小微企業能夠整合的整合然後強化他的這個競爭力我相信這樣子來跟這個再加上這個飛鴻供應鏈我們的機會是非常高的所以我必須要提醒部長\n\n15\n00:05:31,158 --> 00:05:57,081\n那除了在就是說台灣以外當然很多的台商已經就是過去因為關稅的問題等等的都已經轉移到東南亞相關的國家去了那所以這一波的就是美國的對等的關稅當然就會對於這些其他在東南亞的台商也會造成了相當的影響那當然在過去以來就是有台灣接單嘛那就是其他地製造然後再輸美的這樣子一個現象\n\n16\n00:05:58,442 --> 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up不過從現在開始我們有請國貿署的同仁一定要在後續針對台灣這幾個傳統產業\n187205\t206459\t給予協助也就是說我們在這個當地國我們可以找到通路商然後來告訴他們希望能夠取得通路商那麼對我們也去了解工具機工會他們需要這個我們政府什麼樣的這個協助所以我們也不斷的跟這個這幾個產業產業工會在討論\n210282\t234012\t那我現在對於這個供應鏈的部分我們從今年開始改變就是說對供應鏈的部分我們希望能夠紮根在台灣特別是現在有很多的產業特別受美國的影響它需要的是非紅供應鏈也就是說紅色的供應鏈過去在世界上面的肆虐的部分\n236113\t253514\t會轉來台灣因為如果台灣能夠替代的話我們就這個新的市場就產生了但是我要先講你說到了就是要協助他們就是導入AI然後再打磨或是相關方面其實目前中小企業他們\n254639\t274833\t都還沒有開始所以我們從現在開始從下個月開始我們已經都內部溝通過了我們所有的法人機構一定要把那個產業裡面所需要的AI的這個技術跟AI的應用跟AI的那個應用場域都把它建設起來然後讓這中小微企業進來學習\n277725\t306903\t你不主張他們離開台灣嗎沒有沒有沒有他們的我們有很多的方法就是說第一個他接近市場如果接近市場我們輔導他到這個接近市場的地方如果他是在台灣才有這些resource我們協助他在台灣壯大然後讓他我們以大帶小讓這些產業能夠集結因為我們過去的問題是規模太小\n307823\t330303\t規模太小難以因應中國的這個大型的企業的這種這種拓展所以我們現在改變模式把台灣的中小微企業能夠整合的整合然後強化他的這個競爭力我相信這樣子來跟這個再加上這個飛鴻供應鏈我們的機會是非常高的所以我必須要提醒部長\n331158\t357081\t那除了在就是說台灣以外當然很多的台商已經就是過去因為關稅的問題等等的都已經轉移到東南亞相關的國家去了那所以這一波的就是美國的對等的關稅當然就會對於這些其他在東南亞的台商也會造成了相當的影響那當然在過去以來就是有台灣接單嘛那就是其他地製造然後再輸美的這樣子一個現象\n358442\t372840\t那當然我們要怎麼樣子讓這些問題也是應該要注意到怎麼樣子通盤的一個解決那再來就是因為我的時間到了只是我要\n373641\t396009\t跟部長說的 今天我們是在討論電業法的修法其實從上一屆開始 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