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00:02:29,995\n謝謝部長這個我們再來討論相信部長也願意為老公朋友的權益來爭取好我們回到今天的議題就是目前的社會我們年輕朋友的工資偏低又面臨高房價他不敢成家他也沒有辦法來成家所以以本席所在的台東來說很多鄉親都會選擇在北部或西部工作那為了能夠負擔我們的生活費跟房租只要選擇犧牲\n\n7\n00:02:31,576 --> 00:02:51,591\n他的生活品質房租越低越好但是在我們房價資訊不透明的情況下租屋主他完全是沒有他是處於資訊不對等這個弱勢地位那根據我們這個租客聯盟租屋狀況調查指出我們高達54.2%的租屋主因為第一個房東拒絕或者是\n\n8\n00:02:55,754 --> 00:03:09,730\n恐懼房東不利對待而無法使用租金抵稅在111年審計部的決算報告裡面更提到由於多數的房東他不願意繳稅他不願多繳稅或者以自用住\n\n9\n00:03:10,771 --> 00:03:27,441\n自用住宅稅率來申報來逃避我們租屋收入的瞌睡造成政府對租賃市場掌握非常有限產生租屋黑市的問題導致中央以及地方機關雖然推動租屋補助的措施但他卻無法發揮效益我想除了\n\n10\n00:03:31,696 --> 00:03:46,563\n黑市以外非住宅的稅率問題也讓許多的租客受到影響喔部長如果你是租客你會去查屋主的不動產他是屬於自用住宅還是辦公室嗎我想一般的租客不會了解嘛對不對\n\n11\n00:03:47,645 --> 00:04:10,852\n那台中就有一個案例一個年輕人他租屋前他問房東說他可不可以申請租屋補助結果租客之後去申請發現他登記是用辦公室的不是自用住宅所以不符合這個補貼的條件然後被退件那這樣的情況我想不只是個案的問題很多地方都有發生這個就是資訊不對等的狀況下租屋主他面臨的困境跟困難\n\n12\n00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:21,901\n那我想不論從民眾的感受或者實際的涉案例裡面或者是審計部的說法都可以看得出來目前的政策遠遠不足\n\n13\n00:04:22,728 --> 00:04:45,683\n我本席看了你的報告內容內容總共是七頁半結果前面的五頁都是在幫內政部說我們內政部做了哪些事做得多好結果民眾最想知道的那一部分就是未來我們政府該如何改善跟精進相關的內容只有一頁左右而已我想今天內政部的報告在民眾眼裡面是非常的敷衍又不及格\n\n14\n00:04:46,601 --> 00:05:00,968\n那我想今天內政委員會排定內政部來報告就是希望能夠聽聽內政部你們怎麼來具體的改善我們台灣未來租屋市場長年資訊不透明的問題嘛在這邊本席也希望喔身為不動產買賣出租議題的主管機關\n\n15\n00:05:04,435 --> 00:05:20,147\n內政部應該更加負起責任讓民眾看到你們有意願再向前走一步幫助民眾掌握市場的實際供需量跟交易的金額然後進一步來制定相對應的多元居住政策\n\n16\n00:05:21,128 --> 00:05:39,382\n讓房東房客都能夠更有疾可尋有醫可尋透過更加透明的規則使得租屋的市場邁向更健康成熟的方向那這邊本期也具體的建議我想除了修法相關的修法之外政府現在其實就可以做一件事情\n\n17\n00:05:40,287 --> 00:05:57,162\n就是將我們手邊大量的這個租屋市場的資訊做定期性的分析跟報告我們公佈各區域之間的租屋價格的區間我們建立一個官方的平台我們公佈我們北京百分之百都公佈了是好我們讓我們的租屋組可以有需求就可以進行比較嘛\n\n18\n00:05:57,842 --> 00:06:01,807\n讓我們房東在訂價格的時候他也有一個參考依據租客也大概知道說我大概市場在哪邊我們避免租的黑市持續的損害我們租客的權益請我們內政部下半部分能夠來演繹這個事情\n\n19\n00:06:16,844 --> 00:06:32,243\n謝謝委員我們剛剛已經回答過很多委員就是公部門能夠掌握的租屋市場的資訊已經公布所以現在租屋市場百分之六成總共六成是有效租約的話是我們內政部公布而且已經公布兩次了這個在租屋市場是有定毛的效果\n\n20\n00:06:32,944 --> 00:06:51,872\n那但是那個剛剛委員所垂詢的就是說不管你是要提出比較好的管制措施或是比較好的引導措施在法律上我們能做的已經做到非常多但是比較重點就是說我剛剛一再強調的說租屋市場的實況因為它是現行民法規定這個是私人對私人之間\n\n21\n00:06:52,492 --> 00:07:01,558\n他們的這個實價登錄的部分不容易讓他可以對外公佈那如果他們都是提供不實的資訊讓我們公部門來公佈的話反而會影響到租屋市場的部分那再來就是說剛剛委員有提到你說在台東的地區啊當然那個社經階層啊比較這個不高的部分的話呢可能要申請租金比較不容易我跟委員報告一下台東縣到目前為止我們核定的這個租金補貼的戶數已經有4107戶\n\n22\n00:07:21,630 --> 00:07:41,178\n那現在所要撥款的金額高達是4000多萬所以事實上在很多不管是非六都的這個偏鄉地區申請租金補貼相當的多那我們的內政部的立場不一定是站在這個房東的立場我們是站在比較多數族群的這個租客的市場的上面來做幫忙但是如果我們現在強制他們要做不實的實價登錄\n\n23\n00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:54,928\n反而發生很多法律上糾紛的時候整個租屋市場反而不利於租客也就是說房東要出租啊啦那我們現在說房東如果出租太貴怎麼辦那太貴怎麼辦有很多不同的方式我們提出了要可以幫房東來減稅可是他們要不要報稅的問題呢那大概就是我們不要跟財政部一起來努力還有一個那個租期很短\n\n24\n00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:23,200\n有的人他去那邊三個月那我們要求他三個月就要把租金就直接要做實價登錄實價登錄放在我們公佈門的網站他這個租賃契約可能已經解約了那另外按照我們現在行政院消保會的規定\n\n25\n00:08:24,261 --> 00:08:42,386\n譬如說包括這個管理費水電等等這些啦都要把它弄非常清楚不可以劣跡進去我們已經在去年就公佈所以事實上呢是一步一步的採取穩健跟往前推動的市場倒不是委員所說的早上內政部都沒有在處理現在我們所根據的法律或條例上的規範我們能夠處理的部分只要不涉及個資的我們幾乎都是採取開放而且馬上對外公佈\n\n26\n00:08:49,188 --> 00:08:59,004\n好謝謝副長非常詳細的說明我們繼續為我們未來的這個房租的這個租客的權利來做一起來努力那謝謝副長也謝謝謝主席謝謝黃金平委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9031\t27822\t好謝謝主席主席我們有請部長劉部長有請部長好部長在討論今天註定市場透明化的議題之前本想要把握跟你備詢的時間跟機會請你跟勞工全國勞工們好好的談一下也表達一下你的態度就是上個禮拜我們討論到的這個審查國定\n31328\t48159\t加入這個法案其實我們這一黨的立場很簡單就是希望還家於民讓辛苦的勞工朋友能夠增加放假的天數減少工時這是提升勞犬一個很重要的基礎那勞動部長洪部長還表示說增加放假天數有正面討論的空間\n48999\t77876\t那對於五一勞動節是否列入國定家的行政院長行政院的人事長也表達說他不反對所以可見其他部位都願意正面來看待勞工增加放假天數的事情不過部長上週非常遺憾的是身為主管機關的您對於修法增加天數議題不但沒有正面回應而且還講出一些令人匪夷所思甚至讓勞工生氣的話部長我想過勞的問題是勞工們的辛酸跟血淚\n80017\t98168\t那也是勞團真實的聲音所以本集在這邊也要嚴肅的跟部長您來說希望好好聽勞團的聲音跟災黨好好的來討論修法還給勞工應有的放假的權益那接下來我們回到今天謝謝委員的關心我想我上週在談到了\n98468\t118297\t就是說勞動節我們的勞工本來就放假那內政部的主管是假日跟紀念日所以對於勞動節的勞工放假本來就是已經存在那但是勞動節當天要變成全國放假的話是其他非勞保的這些人的放假那這個有討論的空間但是討論多少的空間的話跟我們的實施辦法並沒有絕對的相關\n124820\t149995\t謝謝部長 這個我們再來討論相信部長也願意為老公朋友的權益來爭取好 我們回到今天的議題就是目前的社會我們年輕朋友的工資偏低又面臨高房價 他不敢成家他也沒有辦法來成家所以以本席所在的台東來說很多鄉親都會選擇在北部或西部工作那為了能夠負擔我們的生活費跟房租只要選擇犧牲\n151576\t171591\t他的生活品質房租越低越好但是在我們房價資訊不透明的情況下租屋主他完全是沒有他是處於資訊不對等這個弱勢地位那根據我們這個租客聯盟租屋狀況調查指出我們高達54.2%的租屋主因為第一個房東拒絕或者是\n175754\t189730\t恐懼房東不利對待而無法使用租金抵稅在111年審計部的決算報告裡面更提到由於多數的房東他不願意繳稅他不願多繳稅或者以自用住\n190771\t207441\t自用住宅稅率來申報來逃避我們租屋收入的瞌睡造成政府對租賃市場掌握非常有限產生租屋黑市的問題導致中央以及地方機關雖然推動租屋補助的措施但他卻無法發揮效益我想除了\n211696\t226563\t黑市以外非住宅的稅率問題也讓許多的租客受到影響喔部長如果你是租客你會去查屋主的不動產他是屬於自用住宅還是辦公室嗎我想一般的租客不會了解嘛對不對\n227645\t250852\t那台中就有一個案例一個年輕人他租屋前他問房東說他可不可以申請租屋補助結果租客之後去申請發現他登記是用辦公室的不是自用住宅所以不符合這個補貼的條件然後被退件那這樣的情況我想不只是個案的問題很多地方都有發生這個就是資訊不對等的狀況下租屋主他面臨的困境跟困難\n251952\t261901\t那我想不論從民眾的感受或者實際的涉案例裡面或者是審計部的說法都可以看得出來目前的政策遠遠不足\n262728\t285683\t我本席看了你的報告內容 內容總共是七頁半結果前面的五頁都是在幫內政部說我們內政部做了哪些事做得多好結果民眾最想知道的那一部分就是未來我們政府該如何改善跟精進相關的內容只有一頁左右而已我想今天內政部的報告在民眾眼裡面是非常的敷衍又不及格\n286601\t300968\t那我想今天內政委員會排定內政部來報告就是希望能夠聽聽內政部你們怎麼來具體的改善我們台灣未來租屋市場長年資訊不透明的問題嘛在這邊本席也希望喔身為不動產買賣出租議題的主管機關\n304435\t320147\t內政部應該更加負起責任讓民眾看到你們有意願再向前走一步幫助民眾掌握市場的實際供需量跟交易的金額然後進一步來制定相對應的多元居住政策\n321128\t339382\t讓房東房客都能夠更有疾可尋有醫可尋透過更加透明的規則使得租屋的市場邁向更健康成熟的方向那這邊本期也具體的建議我想除了修法相關的修法之外政府現在其實就可以做一件事情\n340287\t357162\t就是將我們手邊大量的這個租屋市場的資訊做定期性的分析跟報告我們公佈各區域之間的租屋價格的區間我們建立一個官方的平台我們公佈我們北京百分之百都公佈了是好我們讓我們的租屋組可以有需求就可以進行比較嘛\n357842\t361807\t讓我們房東在訂價格的時候他也有一個參考依據租客也大概知道說我大概市場在哪邊我們避免租的黑市持續的損害我們租客的權益請我們內政部下半部分能夠來演繹這個事情\n376844\t392243\t謝謝委員我們剛剛已經回答過很多委員就是公部門能夠掌握的租屋市場的資訊已經公布所以現在租屋市場百分之六成總共六成是有效租約的話是我們內政部公布而且已經公布兩次了這個在租屋市場是有定毛的效果\n392944\t411872\t那但是那個剛剛委員所垂詢的就是說不管你是要提出比較好的管制措施或是比較好的引導措施在法律上我們能做的已經做到非常多但是比較重點就是說我剛剛一再強調的說租屋市場的實況因為它是現行民法規定這個是私人對私人之間\n412492\t421558\t他們的這個實價登錄的部分不容易讓他可以對外公佈那如果他們都是提供不實的資訊讓我們公部門來公佈的話反而會影響到租屋市場的部分那再來就是說剛剛委員有提到你說在台東的地區啊當然那個社經階層啊比較這個不高的部分的話呢可能要申請租金比較不容易我跟委員報告一下台東縣到目前為止我們核定的這個租金補貼的戶數已經有4107戶\n441630\t461178\t那現在所要撥款的金額高達是4000多萬所以事實上在很多不管是非六都的這個偏鄉地區申請租金補貼相當的多那我們的內政部的立場不一定是站在這個房東的立場我們是站在比較多數族群的這個租客的市場的上面來做幫忙但是如果我們現在強制他們要做不實的實價登錄\n466440\t474928\t反而發生很多法律上糾紛的時候整個租屋市場反而不利於租客也就是說房東要出租啊啦那我們現在說房東如果出租太貴怎麼辦那太貴怎麼辦有很多不同的方式我們提出了要可以幫房東來減稅可是他們要不要報稅的問題呢那大概就是我們不要跟財政部一起來努力還有一個那個租期很短\n489281\t503200\t有的人他去那邊三個月那我們要求他三個月就要把租金就直接要做實價登錄實價登錄放在我們公佈門的網站他這個租賃契約可能已經解約了那另外按照我們現在行政院消保會的規定\n504261\t522386\t譬如說包括這個管理費水電等等這些啦都要把它弄非常清楚不可以劣跡進去我們已經在去年就公佈所以事實上呢是一步一步的採取穩健跟往前推動的市場倒不是委員所說的早上內政部都沒有在處理現在我們所根據的法律或條例上的規範我們能夠處理的部分只要不涉及個資的我們幾乎都是採取開放而且馬上對外公佈\n529188\t539004\t好 謝謝副長非常詳細的說明我們繼續為我們未來的這個房租的這個租客的權利來做一起來努力那謝謝副長也謝謝謝主席謝謝黃金平委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我們有請部長劉部長有請部長好部長在討論今天註定市場透明化的議題之前本想要把握跟你備詢的時間跟機會請你跟勞工全國勞工們好好的談一下也表達一下你的態度就是上個禮拜我們討論到的這個審查國定\n加入這個法案其實我們這一黨的立場很簡單就是希望還家於民讓辛苦的勞工朋友能夠增加放假的天數減少工時這是提升勞犬一個很重要的基礎那勞動部長洪部長還表示說增加放假天數有正面討論的空間\n那對於五一勞動節是否列入國定家的行政院長行政院的人事長也表達說他不反對所以可見其他部位都願意正面來看待勞工增加放假天數的事情不過部長上週非常遺憾的是身為主管機關的您對於修法增加天數議題不但沒有正面回應而且還講出一些令人匪夷所思甚至讓勞工生氣的話部長我想過勞的問題是勞工們的辛酸跟血淚\n那也是勞團真實的聲音所以本集在這邊也要嚴肅的跟部長您來說希望好好聽勞團的聲音跟災黨好好的來討論修法還給勞工應有的放假的權益那接下來我們回到今天謝謝委員的關心我想我上週在談到了\n就是說勞動節我們的勞工本來就放假那內政部的主管是假日跟紀念日所以對於勞動節的勞工放假本來就是已經存在那但是勞動節當天要變成全國放假的話是其他非勞保的這些人的放假那這個有討論的空間但是討論多少的空間的話跟我們的實施辦法並沒有絕對的相關\n謝謝部長 這個我們再來討論相信部長也願意為老公朋友的權益來爭取好 我們回到今天的議題就是目前的社會我們年輕朋友的工資偏低又面臨高房價 他不敢成家他也沒有辦法來成家所以以本席所在的台東來說很多鄉親都會選擇在北部或西部工作那為了能夠負擔我們的生活費跟房租只要選擇犧牲\n他的生活品質房租越低越好但是在我們房價資訊不透明的情況下租屋主他完全是沒有他是處於資訊不對等這個弱勢地位那根據我們這個租客聯盟租屋狀況調查指出我們高達54.2%的租屋主因為第一個房東拒絕或者是\n恐懼房東不利對待而無法使用租金抵稅在111年審計部的決算報告裡面更提到由於多數的房東他不願意繳稅他不願多繳稅或者以自用住\n自用住宅稅率來申報來逃避我們租屋收入的瞌睡造成政府對租賃市場掌握非常有限產生租屋黑市的問題導致中央以及地方機關雖然推動租屋補助的措施但他卻無法發揮效益我想除了\n黑市以外非住宅的稅率問題也讓許多的租客受到影響喔部長如果你是租客你會去查屋主的不動產他是屬於自用住宅還是辦公室嗎我想一般的租客不會了解嘛對不對\n那台中就有一個案例一個年輕人他租屋前他問房東說他可不可以申請租屋補助結果租客之後去申請發現他登記是用辦公室的不是自用住宅所以不符合這個補貼的條件然後被退件那這樣的情況我想不只是個案的問題很多地方都有發生這個就是資訊不對等的狀況下租屋主他面臨的困境跟困難\n那我想不論從民眾的感受或者實際的涉案例裡面或者是審計部的說法都可以看得出來目前的政策遠遠不足\n我本席看了你的報告內容 內容總共是七頁半結果前面的五頁都是在幫內政部說我們內政部做了哪些事做得多好結果民眾最想知道的那一部分就是未來我們政府該如何改善跟精進相關的內容只有一頁左右而已我想今天內政部的報告在民眾眼裡面是非常的敷衍又不及格\n那我想今天內政委員會排定內政部來報告就是希望能夠聽聽內政部你們怎麼來具體的改善我們台灣未來租屋市場長年資訊不透明的問題嘛在這邊本席也希望喔身為不動產買賣出租議題的主管機關\n內政部應該更加負起責任讓民眾看到你們有意願再向前走一步幫助民眾掌握市場的實際供需量跟交易的金額然後進一步來制定相對應的多元居住政策\n讓房東房客都能夠更有疾可尋有醫可尋透過更加透明的規則使得租屋的市場邁向更健康成熟的方向那這邊本期也具體的建議我想除了修法相關的修法之外政府現在其實就可以做一件事情\n就是將我們手邊大量的這個租屋市場的資訊做定期性的分析跟報告我們公佈各區域之間的租屋價格的區間我們建立一個官方的平台我們公佈我們北京百分之百都公佈了是好我們讓我們的租屋組可以有需求就可以進行比較嘛\n讓我們房東在訂價格的時候他也有一個參考依據租客也大概知道說我大概市場在哪邊我們避免租的黑市持續的損害我們租客的權益請我們內政部下半部分能夠來演繹這個事情\n謝謝委員我們剛剛已經回答過很多委員就是公部門能夠掌握的租屋市場的資訊已經公布所以現在租屋市場百分之六成總共六成是有效租約的話是我們內政部公布而且已經公布兩次了這個在租屋市場是有定毛的效果\n那但是那個剛剛委員所垂詢的就是說不管你是要提出比較好的管制措施或是比較好的引導措施在法律上我們能做的已經做到非常多但是比較重點就是說我剛剛一再強調的說租屋市場的實況因為它是現行民法規定這個是私人對私人之間\n他們的這個實價登錄的部分不容易讓他可以對外公佈那如果他們都是提供不實的資訊讓我們公部門來公佈的話反而會影響到租屋市場的部分那再來就是說剛剛委員有提到你說在台東的地區啊當然那個社經階層啊比較這個不高的部分的話呢可能要申請租金比較不容易我跟委員報告一下台東縣到目前為止我們核定的這個租金補貼的戶數已經有4107戶\n那現在所要撥款的金額高達是4000多萬所以事實上在很多不管是非六都的這個偏鄉地區申請租金補貼相當的多那我們的內政部的立場不一定是站在這個房東的立場我們是站在比較多數族群的這個租客的市場的上面來做幫忙但是如果我們現在強制他們要做不實的實價登錄\n反而發生很多法律上糾紛的時候整個租屋市場反而不利於租客也就是說房東要出租啊啦那我們現在說房東如果出租太貴怎麼辦那太貴怎麼辦有很多不同的方式我們提出了要可以幫房東來減稅可是他們要不要報稅的問題呢那大概就是我們不要跟財政部一起來努力還有一個那個租期很短\n有的人他去那邊三個月那我們要求他三個月就要把租金就直接要做實價登錄實價登錄放在我們公佈門的網站他這個租賃契約可能已經解約了那另外按照我們現在行政院消保會的規定\n譬如說包括這個管理費水電等等這些啦都要把它弄非常清楚不可以劣跡進去我們已經在去年就公佈所以事實上呢是一步一步的採取穩健跟往前推動的市場倒不是委員所說的早上內政部都沒有在處理現在我們所根據的法律或條例上的規範我們能夠處理的部分只要不涉及個資的我們幾乎都是採取開放而且馬上對外公佈\n好 謝謝副長非常詳細的說明我們繼續為我們未來的這個房租的這個租客的權利來做一起來努力那謝謝副長也謝謝謝主席謝謝黃金平委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.031 --> 00:27.822\n好謝謝主席主席我們有請部長劉部長有請部長好部長在討論今天註定市場透明化的議題之前本想要把握跟你備詢的時間跟機會請你跟勞工全國勞工們好好的談一下也表達一下你的態度就是上個禮拜我們討論到的這個審查國定\n\n00:31.328 --> 00:48.159\n加入這個法案其實我們這一黨的立場很簡單就是希望還家於民讓辛苦的勞工朋友能夠增加放假的天數減少工時這是提升勞犬一個很重要的基礎那勞動部長洪部長還表示說增加放假天數有正面討論的空間\n\n00:48.999 --> 01:17.876\n那對於五一勞動節是否列入國定家的行政院長行政院的人事長也表達說他不反對所以可見其他部位都願意正面來看待勞工增加放假天數的事情不過部長上週非常遺憾的是身為主管機關的您對於修法增加天數議題不但沒有正面回應而且還講出一些令人匪夷所思甚至讓勞工生氣的話部長我想過勞的問題是勞工們的辛酸跟血淚\n\n01:20.017 --> 01:38.168\n那也是勞團真實的聲音所以本集在這邊也要嚴肅的跟部長您來說希望好好聽勞團的聲音跟災黨好好的來討論修法還給勞工應有的放假的權益那接下來我們回到今天謝謝委員的關心我想我上週在談到了\n\n01:38.468 --> 01:58.297\n就是說勞動節我們的勞工本來就放假那內政部的主管是假日跟紀念日所以對於勞動節的勞工放假本來就是已經存在那但是勞動節當天要變成全國放假的話是其他非勞保的這些人的放假那這個有討論的空間但是討論多少的空間的話跟我們的實施辦法並沒有絕對的相關\n\n02:04.820 --> 02:29.995\n謝謝部長這個我們再來討論相信部長也願意為老公朋友的權益來爭取好我們回到今天的議題就是目前的社會我們年輕朋友的工資偏低又面臨高房價他不敢成家他也沒有辦法來成家所以以本席所在的台東來說很多鄉親都會選擇在北部或西部工作那為了能夠負擔我們的生活費跟房租只要選擇犧牲\n\n02:31.576 --> 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