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00:00:37,119\n為了這個相關預算的解凍做準備啦我感到非常的欣慰那去年在動這筆預算跟刪另外一筆預算的時候嘴臉可不是這樣但是好的開始啦我們今天可以好好來討論這個租賃市場但是剛剛這個朝偉在討論這個宣導費用的時候\n\n3\n00:00:46,158 --> 00:01:14,418\n就是在檢討這個地政司在跟所有的包含新的契約包含我們去年的住宅租賃定型化契約裡面對於電價10收10付的原則這一項那就約宣導的部分可能會造成你如果下去宣導或者是有房客直接來檢舉相關的這些內容的話會發生一件事情會有很多房客會有很多房東被重罰為什麼\n\n4\n00:01:16,564 --> 00:01:44,193\n因為可能他還是就約沒有換約那所以就約的比例會非常高那你們去年的這個宣導費用被刪了多少?向委員報告一下齁那個部分的話是由縣市政府來做一個執行所以業務費的話是由縣府來縣市政府來支付縣市政府沒有被刪到所以你們的宣導費用那我們的部分就會透過新聞管道的部分來做一個宣導好你們的宣導費用不會宣導到這個\n\n5\n00:01:45,033 --> 00:02:00,621\n另外對於去年度我在這邊主張有很多的租客那其實需要遇到這些包含房東不給他報租屋補貼的時候那他必須要有一個專線後來內政部有成立了一個專線嘛那這個專線現在的運作狀況怎樣有沒有接下來\n\n6\n00:02:05,945 --> 00:02:21,224\n的計畫非常感謝委員因為有委員的一個支持所以我們現在跟法輔基金會來做一個租屋糾紛的一個諮詢的部分那現在這個專線的部分是法輔基金會的一個專線那我們大概也統計過還是在法輔裡面對對對對\n\n7\n00:02:22,165 --> 00:02:36,714\n那從去年的8月到現在總共7個月的話已經有2700件的一個諮詢電話大概平均的話一個月會有400通的一個電話那是不是應該要來成立一個內政部的服務專線或者是直接在內政部服務專線裡面來處理這個事情請署長來署長\n\n8\n00:02:46,715 --> 00:03:01,113\n就這個部分的確啦因為發生在租金補貼的部分是最多啦這個部分因為我們本來有一個有一個服務的專區啦就是說我們也有相關的專線那過去大概都以資格查詢或者是協助他\n\n9\n00:03:01,873 --> 00:03:23,369\n怎麼樣去申請為主那其實這一年多來任務已經慢慢可以再減少因為很多回歸到地方政府去審查那所以未來我們來跟地政司討論一下我們是不是把兩個合併起來把這個服務的量能就是針對租屋糾紛的部分把量能把它擴大那這個部分我們雙方一起來我這邊其實收到的最多的還是這樣那我相信\n\n10\n00:03:23,949 --> 00:03:48,800\n希望在今年度是可以減少這一方面的問題就是說還是有租客跟房東之間他們存在一個房東不希望租客去報租務補貼雖然財政部已經在這邊講了好幾次說他們不會對房東用這個契約來對房東施予這個課稅但是房東還是會害怕因為有這個所得稅他是跟所得稅合併的問題\n\n11\n00:03:49,960 --> 00:04:13,652\n如果所得稅在18萬以內年所得稅在18萬以內可以減免的話其實對很多房東來講他可能會卡到稅率43%或20%的問題會影響到房東會要求租客不要這樣所以租客其實打電話進來大部分的問題是說房東這樣問房東這樣要求那他們還可以申請嗎署長\n\n12\n00:04:15,697 --> 00:04:23,725\n如果你講出來他們還可以申請的話萬一他們沒有房子租萬一他們因為這樣被房東趕出去責任就大了\n\n13\n00:04:24,841 --> 00:04:53,207\n了解所以這部分的確在他們雙方在法律上或是民事的溝通上這的確都還要進一步努力所以我才剛剛會委員的建議是我們現在做法就是說我們未來把我們的這一個新莊的這個服務中心想辦法來跟這個法府這邊雙方來結合看是不是透過不管是透過服務上的溝通或是民事上法律上的一個解決這我們雙方都來努力我們再合作來努力看看\n\n14\n00:04:54,387 --> 00:05:17,475\n謝謝今年還是會有大量的這個租金補貼的申請之外高雄今年會有開始有包含我們的從實安居包含高雄其他的這些社會住宅會開始有包租代管業者需要進去服務所有的這些可能需要這些社宅的這些朋友們那所以呢包租代管的業者變成非常\n\n15\n00:05:18,195 --> 00:05:29,823\n非常龐大的業務需要處理那我也在今年辦理會刊的時候感謝署長還有次長當天都有來那因為高雄市政府的這個設宅已經先開始先行了\n\n16\n00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:53,669\n所以當天高雄市政府其實有傳授很多給我們內政部未來他們所遇到的問題包含管理那包含這些設備的更新包含冷氣等等都是接下來整個包含住都中心包含國路署包含這個所有要進行包租代管的業者所會碰到的問題那所以我想要比較一下\n\n17\n00:05:56,559 --> 00:06:17,064\n所有的縣市裡面我想高雄的社宅的規劃跟興建是跑在最前面那比新北市比桃園市比台北市比台中市都還要都還要多而且都還要快那台中市目前申請租金補貼的比例卻是全國最高\n\n18\n00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:35,765\n它全國最高,但是在社宅的興建上又是在六都裡面排行第五有沒有相關的這些問題來顯示說台中市在財化法規劃下,雖然現在預算才剛公告\n\n19\n00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:58,793\n那接下來部長之前也有大概有說明我們的如果在財化法執行下去的話我們的預算執行可能會減少28%是這個對於大量興建社宅規劃社宅的高雄市與台中市比較不積極這樣比較起來相關的這些補貼你覺得合理嗎\n\n20\n00:07:02,835 --> 00:07:16,270\n應該這麼說啦因為我們補貼是沒有分縣市啦那其實在這裡面很大的一個族群是學生族群那因為以我們所知大概在台中大概光學生申請的戶數大概就將近9萬戶\n\n21\n00:07:17,631 --> 00:07:35,184\n所以在這個部分的數量其實相對是龐大那其實到雙北也有很大的數量是這一個學生族群那所以相對來講他們對社宅的需求不管是現在就讀的學生或是剛出年輕剛出社會年紀他需求是\n\n22\n00:07:35,885 --> 00:07:49,476\n非常的高那未來其實裁判法如果真的通過要執行的話那因為中央的裁員勢必會受到影響那所以我們在這個部分可能會把這個部分大概地方如果有新開發區的這個狀況\n\n23\n00:07:52,478 --> 00:08:20,016\n那我們本來都期待新開發區能夠加速來興建社宅那中央會主動來出手來不管是取得土地或是成足土地可是那就就如果未來財源減少的話這個部分我們可能會把會希望由地方政府來負擔最大的一個責任那這樣的話那在就財化法以後的公平性來講大家都一樣要負責照顧年輕人所需要的社宅我們也要求地方政府\n\n24\n00:08:20,516 --> 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00:08:56,061\n來我中央來辦那我們還是希望內政部可以跟國土署可以趕快就這一方面來跟地方政府做一些相關的溝通跟討論好這沒有問題這我們持續再辦好謝謝好謝謝李博義委員這個我們預算的解凍應該這個會期可以處理完吧\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2694\t17608\t先請署長跟市長署長跟市長就請謝謝昭偉剛剛也講得很清楚今天排這個豬肉市場透明化的這個議程是為了提\n19115\t37119\t為了這個相關預算的解凍做準備啦我感到非常的欣慰那去年在動這筆預算跟刪另外一筆預算的時候嘴臉可不是這樣但是好的開始啦我們今天可以好好來討論這個租賃市場但是剛剛這個朝偉在討論這個宣導費用的時候\n46158\t74418\t就是在檢討這個地政司在跟所有的包含新的契約包含我們去年的住宅租賃定型化契約裡面對於電價10收10付的原則這一項那就約宣導的部分可能會造成你如果下去宣導或者是有房客直接來檢舉相關的這些內容的話會發生一件事情會有很多房客會有很多房東被重罰為什麼\n76564\t104193\t因為可能他還是就約沒有換約那所以就約的比例會非常高那你們去年的這個宣導費用被刪了多少?向委員報告一下齁那個部分的話是由縣市政府來做一個執行所以業務費的話是由縣府來縣市政府來支付縣市政府沒有被刪到所以你們的宣導費用那我們的部分就會透過新聞管道的部分來做一個宣導好你們的宣導費用不會宣導到這個\n105033\t120621\t另外對於去年度我在這邊主張有很多的租客那其實需要遇到這些包含房東不給他報租屋補貼的時候那他必須要有一個專線後來內政部有成立了一個專線嘛那這個專線現在的運作狀況怎樣有沒有接下來\n125945\t141224\t的計畫非常感謝委員因為有委員的一個支持所以我們現在跟法輔基金會來做一個租屋糾紛的一個諮詢的部分那現在這個專線的部分是法輔基金會的一個專線那我們大概也統計過還是在法輔裡面對對對對\n142165\t156714\t那從去年的8月到現在總共7個月的話已經有2700件的一個諮詢電話大概平均的話一個月會有400通的一個電話那是不是應該要來成立一個內政部的服務專線或者是直接在內政部服務專線裡面來處理這個事情請署長來署長\n166715\t181113\t就這個部分的確啦因為發生在租金補貼的部分是最多啦這個部分因為我們本來有一個有一個服務的專區啦就是說我們也有相關的專線那過去大概都以資格查詢或者是協助他\n181873\t203369\t怎麼樣去申請為主那其實這一年多來任務已經慢慢可以再減少因為很多回歸到地方政府去審查那所以未來我們來跟地政司討論一下我們是不是把兩個合併起來把這個服務的量能就是針對租屋糾紛的部分把量能把它擴大那這個部分我們雙方一起來我這邊其實收到的最多的還是這樣那我相信\n203949\t228800\t希望在今年度是可以減少這一方面的問題就是說還是有租客跟房東之間他們存在一個房東不希望租客去報租務補貼雖然財政部已經在這邊講了好幾次說他們不會對房東用這個契約來對房東施予這個課稅但是房東還是會害怕因為有這個所得稅他是跟所得稅合併的問題\n229960\t253652\t如果所得稅在18萬以內年所得稅在18萬以內可以減免的話其實對很多房東來講他可能會卡到稅率43%或20%的問題會影響到房東會要求租客不要這樣所以租客其實打電話進來大部分的問題是說房東這樣問房東這樣要求那他們還可以申請嗎署長\n255697\t263725\t如果你講出來他們還可以申請的話萬一他們沒有房子租萬一他們因為這樣被房東趕出去責任就大了\n264841\t293207\t了解所以這部分的確在他們雙方在法律上或是民事的溝通上這的確都還要進一步努力所以我才剛剛會委員的建議是我們現在做法就是說我們未來把我們的這一個新莊的這個服務中心想辦法來跟這個法府這邊雙方來結合看是不是透過不管是透過服務上的溝通或是民事上法律上的一個解決這我們雙方都來努力我們再合作來努力看看\n294387\t317475\t謝謝今年還是會有大量的這個租金補貼的申請之外高雄今年會有開始有包含我們的從實安居包含高雄其他的這些社會住宅會開始有包租代管業者需要進去服務所有的這些可能需要這些社宅的這些朋友們那所以呢包租代管的業者變成非常\n318195\t329823\t非常龐大的業務需要處理那我也在今年辦理會刊的時候感謝署長還有次長當天都有來那因為高雄市政府的這個設宅已經先開始先行了\n330290\t353669\t所以當天高雄市政府其實有傳授很多給我們內政部未來他們所遇到的問題 包含管理那包含這些設備的更新 包含冷氣等等都是接下來整個包含住都中心 包含國路署 包含這個所有要進行包租代管的業者所會碰到的問題那所以 我想要比較一下\n356559\t377064\t所有的縣市裡面我想高雄的社宅的規劃跟興建是跑在最前面那比新北市比桃園市比台北市比台中市都還要都還要多而且都還要快那台中市目前申請租金補貼的比例卻是全國最高\n378700\t395765\t它全國最高,但是在社宅的興建上又是在六都裡面排行第五有沒有相關的這些問題來顯示說台中市在財化法規劃下,雖然現在預算才剛公告\n398427\t418793\t那接下來部長之前也有大概有說明我們的如果在財化法執行下去的話我們的預算執行可能會減少28%是這個對於大量興建社宅規劃社宅的高雄市與台中市比較不積極這樣比較起來相關的這些補貼你覺得合理嗎\n422835\t436270\t應該這麼說啦 因為我們補貼是沒有分縣市啦那其實在這裡面很大的一個族群是學生族群那因為以我們所知大概在台中大概光學生申請的戶數大概就將近9萬戶\n437631\t455184\t所以在這個部分的數量其實相對是龐大那其實到雙北也有很大的數量是這一個學生族群那所以相對來講他們對社宅的需求不管是現在就讀的學生或是剛出年輕剛出社會年紀他需求是\n455885\t469476\t非常的高那未來其實裁判法如果真的通過要執行的話那因為中央的裁員勢必會受到影響那所以我們在這個部分可能會把這個部分大概地方如果有新開發區的這個狀況\n472478\t500016\t那我們本來都期待新開發區能夠加速來興建社宅那中央會主動來出手來不管是取得土地或是成足土地可是那就就如果未來財源減少的話這個部分我們可能會把會希望由地方政府來負擔最大的一個責任那這樣的話那在就財化法以後的公平性來講大家都一樣要負責照顧年輕人所需要的社宅我們也要求地方政府\n500516\t523611\t也要負起比較大的責任我想這部分我們會從這方向來要求我過去也曾經主張我還是這樣主張包含這些縣市政府要提出這些不管是勢力重劃也好那內政部在審核的過程應該要先把適當的這些可能要蓋社宅的這些土地留下來用成本要求地方政府來辦或者是不然\n524431\t536061\t來我中央來辦那我們還是希望內政部可以跟國土署可以趕快就這一方面來跟地方政府做一些相關的溝通跟討論好這沒有問題這我們持續再辦好謝謝好謝謝李博義委員這個我們預算的解凍應該這個會期可以處理完吧\n","txt":"先請署長跟市長署長跟市長就請謝謝昭偉剛剛也講得很清楚今天排這個豬肉市場透明化的這個議程是為了提\n為了這個相關預算的解凍做準備啦我感到非常的欣慰那去年在動這筆預算跟刪另外一筆預算的時候嘴臉可不是這樣但是好的開始啦我們今天可以好好來討論這個租賃市場但是剛剛這個朝偉在討論這個宣導費用的時候\n就是在檢討這個地政司在跟所有的包含新的契約包含我們去年的住宅租賃定型化契約裡面對於電價10收10付的原則這一項那就約宣導的部分可能會造成你如果下去宣導或者是有房客直接來檢舉相關的這些內容的話會發生一件事情會有很多房客會有很多房東被重罰為什麼\n因為可能他還是就約沒有換約那所以就約的比例會非常高那你們去年的這個宣導費用被刪了多少?向委員報告一下齁那個部分的話是由縣市政府來做一個執行所以業務費的話是由縣府來縣市政府來支付縣市政府沒有被刪到所以你們的宣導費用那我們的部分就會透過新聞管道的部分來做一個宣導好你們的宣導費用不會宣導到這個\n另外對於去年度我在這邊主張有很多的租客那其實需要遇到這些包含房東不給他報租屋補貼的時候那他必須要有一個專線後來內政部有成立了一個專線嘛那這個專線現在的運作狀況怎樣有沒有接下來\n的計畫非常感謝委員因為有委員的一個支持所以我們現在跟法輔基金會來做一個租屋糾紛的一個諮詢的部分那現在這個專線的部分是法輔基金會的一個專線那我們大概也統計過還是在法輔裡面對對對對\n那從去年的8月到現在總共7個月的話已經有2700件的一個諮詢電話大概平均的話一個月會有400通的一個電話那是不是應該要來成立一個內政部的服務專線或者是直接在內政部服務專線裡面來處理這個事情請署長來署長\n就這個部分的確啦因為發生在租金補貼的部分是最多啦這個部分因為我們本來有一個有一個服務的專區啦就是說我們也有相關的專線那過去大概都以資格查詢或者是協助他\n怎麼樣去申請為主那其實這一年多來任務已經慢慢可以再減少因為很多回歸到地方政府去審查那所以未來我們來跟地政司討論一下我們是不是把兩個合併起來把這個服務的量能就是針對租屋糾紛的部分把量能把它擴大那這個部分我們雙方一起來我這邊其實收到的最多的還是這樣那我相信\n希望在今年度是可以減少這一方面的問題就是說還是有租客跟房東之間他們存在一個房東不希望租客去報租務補貼雖然財政部已經在這邊講了好幾次說他們不會對房東用這個契約來對房東施予這個課稅但是房東還是會害怕因為有這個所得稅他是跟所得稅合併的問題\n如果所得稅在18萬以內年所得稅在18萬以內可以減免的話其實對很多房東來講他可能會卡到稅率43%或20%的問題會影響到房東會要求租客不要這樣所以租客其實打電話進來大部分的問題是說房東這樣問房東這樣要求那他們還可以申請嗎署長\n如果你講出來他們還可以申請的話萬一他們沒有房子租萬一他們因為這樣被房東趕出去責任就大了\n了解所以這部分的確在他們雙方在法律上或是民事的溝通上這的確都還要進一步努力所以我才剛剛會委員的建議是我們現在做法就是說我們未來把我們的這一個新莊的這個服務中心想辦法來跟這個法府這邊雙方來結合看是不是透過不管是透過服務上的溝通或是民事上法律上的一個解決這我們雙方都來努力我們再合作來努力看看\n謝謝今年還是會有大量的這個租金補貼的申請之外高雄今年會有開始有包含我們的從實安居包含高雄其他的這些社會住宅會開始有包租代管業者需要進去服務所有的這些可能需要這些社宅的這些朋友們那所以呢包租代管的業者變成非常\n非常龐大的業務需要處理那我也在今年辦理會刊的時候感謝署長還有次長當天都有來那因為高雄市政府的這個設宅已經先開始先行了\n所以當天高雄市政府其實有傳授很多給我們內政部未來他們所遇到的問題 包含管理那包含這些設備的更新 包含冷氣等等都是接下來整個包含住都中心 包含國路署 包含這個所有要進行包租代管的業者所會碰到的問題那所以 我想要比較一下\n所有的縣市裡面我想高雄的社宅的規劃跟興建是跑在最前面那比新北市比桃園市比台北市比台中市都還要都還要多而且都還要快那台中市目前申請租金補貼的比例卻是全國最高\n它全國最高,但是在社宅的興建上又是在六都裡面排行第五有沒有相關的這些問題來顯示說台中市在財化法規劃下,雖然現在預算才剛公告\n那接下來部長之前也有大概有說明我們的如果在財化法執行下去的話我們的預算執行可能會減少28%是這個對於大量興建社宅規劃社宅的高雄市與台中市比較不積極這樣比較起來相關的這些補貼你覺得合理嗎\n應該這麼說啦 因為我們補貼是沒有分縣市啦那其實在這裡面很大的一個族群是學生族群那因為以我們所知大概在台中大概光學生申請的戶數大概就將近9萬戶\n所以在這個部分的數量其實相對是龐大那其實到雙北也有很大的數量是這一個學生族群那所以相對來講他們對社宅的需求不管是現在就讀的學生或是剛出年輕剛出社會年紀他需求是\n非常的高那未來其實裁判法如果真的通過要執行的話那因為中央的裁員勢必會受到影響那所以我們在這個部分可能會把這個部分大概地方如果有新開發區的這個狀況\n那我們本來都期待新開發區能夠加速來興建社宅那中央會主動來出手來不管是取得土地或是成足土地可是那就就如果未來財源減少的話這個部分我們可能會把會希望由地方政府來負擔最大的一個責任那這樣的話那在就財化法以後的公平性來講大家都一樣要負責照顧年輕人所需要的社宅我們也要求地方政府\n也要負起比較大的責任我想這部分我們會從這方向來要求我過去也曾經主張我還是這樣主張包含這些縣市政府要提出這些不管是勢力重劃也好那內政部在審核的過程應該要先把適當的這些可能要蓋社宅的這些土地留下來用成本要求地方政府來辦或者是不然\n來我中央來辦那我們還是希望內政部可以跟國土署可以趕快就這一方面來跟地方政府做一些相關的溝通跟討論好這沒有問題這我們持續再辦好謝謝好謝謝李博義委員這個我們預算的解凍應該這個會期可以處理完吧\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.694 --> 00:17.608\n先請署長跟市長署長跟市長就請謝謝昭偉剛剛也講得很清楚今天排這個豬肉市場透明化的這個議程是為了提\n\n00:19.115 --> 00:37.119\n為了這個相關預算的解凍做準備啦我感到非常的欣慰那去年在動這筆預算跟刪另外一筆預算的時候嘴臉可不是這樣但是好的開始啦我們今天可以好好來討論這個租賃市場但是剛剛這個朝偉在討論這個宣導費用的時候\n\n00:46.158 --> 01:14.418\n就是在檢討這個地政司在跟所有的包含新的契約包含我們去年的住宅租賃定型化契約裡面對於電價10收10付的原則這一項那就約宣導的部分可能會造成你如果下去宣導或者是有房客直接來檢舉相關的這些內容的話會發生一件事情會有很多房客會有很多房東被重罰為什麼\n\n01:16.564 --> 01:44.193\n因為可能他還是就約沒有換約那所以就約的比例會非常高那你們去年的這個宣導費用被刪了多少?向委員報告一下齁那個部分的話是由縣市政府來做一個執行所以業務費的話是由縣府來縣市政府來支付縣市政府沒有被刪到所以你們的宣導費用那我們的部分就會透過新聞管道的部分來做一個宣導好你們的宣導費用不會宣導到這個\n\n01:45.033 --> 02:00.621\n另外對於去年度我在這邊主張有很多的租客那其實需要遇到這些包含房東不給他報租屋補貼的時候那他必須要有一個專線後來內政部有成立了一個專線嘛那這個專線現在的運作狀況怎樣有沒有接下來\n\n02:05.945 --> 02:21.224\n的計畫非常感謝委員因為有委員的一個支持所以我們現在跟法輔基金會來做一個租屋糾紛的一個諮詢的部分那現在這個專線的部分是法輔基金會的一個專線那我們大概也統計過還是在法輔裡面對對對對\n\n02:22.165 --> 02:36.714\n那從去年的8月到現在總共7個月的話已經有2700件的一個諮詢電話大概平均的話一個月會有400通的一個電話那是不是應該要來成立一個內政部的服務專線或者是直接在內政部服務專線裡面來處理這個事情請署長來署長\n\n02:46.715 --> 03:01.113\n就這個部分的確啦因為發生在租金補貼的部分是最多啦這個部分因為我們本來有一個有一個服務的專區啦就是說我們也有相關的專線那過去大概都以資格查詢或者是協助他\n\n03:01.873 --> 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