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00:02:41,580\n但只有在雙北是偏低的那或許這部分是我們後續在檢討這樣的一個制度的時候再重新來做一個調整因為在調整這個其實是非常困難因為它也會跟相關的這個房東的這個公益出租人的這個房租上限還有這個免稅它雙方是連動在一起的所以這個部分我們後續應該還可以再來做一個討論那看是不是把未來能夠照顧的比例能夠再拉高一點\n\n8\n00:02:42,501 --> 00:02:56,116\n好謝謝謝謝署長因為齁既然齁因為租屋的市場齁在在咱新北齁他的市場非常大阿你說今天他會來作出尤其在年輕人齁覺得他的他的需求\n\n9\n00:02:57,017 --> 00:03:13,122\n高他沒有理由說不來申請租屋補助在這個部分我們一定要深入去了解所以現在講到租屋補助的部分剛才我們李博士說的我們朝夕擺這個應該是預算要解凍啦這都是因為牽扯到未來在租屋補貼在年輕人我們都是要去考量到\n\n10\n00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:47,866\n但是現在你說針對我們包租代管很多因為房東的問題但是你說在我們新北很多國有土地應該我們從國有土地我們大量的興建一些社會住宅這是一個比較勇氣你說很多都是四地重劃七段徵收很多你像\n\n11\n00:03:49,126 --> 00:04:13,889\n新增啊新增溫暖準要好幾百公頃你那個土地都要提供啊我們都是來推動我們的社會住宅因為這市場很多年輕人他們的需求嘛他們買不起房子啊所以說你我們租補貼你要補貼我們房價要高他們又更不可能買得起那我們就是從社會住宅來找索是不是有署長\n\n12\n00:04:16,158 --> 00:04:41,456\n其實跟委員報告啦因為雙北的確是需求量最大那但是其實找地也是最辛苦的那所以我想我們在過去這一年多來大概都跟地方縣市政府溝通那所有的新開發區都應該要預留雙北大概要百分之五希望能夠留出百分之五的土地來做這個社會住宅那第二個就是說因為\n\n13\n00:04:43,094 --> 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