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00:02:52,491\n我們中央這邊要來整合主計總署也有教育部也有國土署也有所以我不知道部長這是不是應該內政部總要有一個整合單位我們好像每一次質詢現在民眾關心的問題都不是單一部會的問題那內政部還是哪一個單位應該要整合\n\n9\n00:02:53,852 --> 00:03:05,423\n你怎麼樣拿到真正的這個就至少我們推估的要比較確切嘛那也就是說你敢不敢面對我們這制度上的黑數和這個破洞\n\n10\n00:03:08,376 --> 00:03:30,552\n那所以現在你說大概預計110萬戶嘛現在剛剛部長說但我們看媒體報導民間估計有200萬戶所以這個公說公有理婆說婆有理那再加上我們的數據又是過時的所以這一塊本席在這裡因為時間也不多這一個議題我們希望你們是不是可以\n\n11\n00:03:31,452 --> 00:03:58,524\n在會後有一些研擬你們去評估嘛應該多久能夠要做一個了解那是不是再回覆給我這樣可以嗎你們要掌握嘛掌握整個租屋市場的情況好不好因為到現在都沒有辦法知道因為民間的租賃大概長租短租那有的商辦租那有的是廠辦租其實大概我們是很難去\n\n12\n00:04:00,865 --> 00:04:18,885\n因為有的這種尤其是短租型的我已經請你你要回覆我那你那個長租短租那本來一個數據出來它不可能是精準的嘛它的估計一定包含都有這些嘛好不好好那再來就是說今天當然很多委員一定都會談我們既然要透明化有很多資訊的\n\n13\n00:04:20,086 --> 00:04:38,580\n揭露各方面民眾所關心的不只是租金其實有一項本席想請教很多民眾反應就是說那個凶宅資訊的揭露民眾很在意你們這一塊我有看到內政部韓市好像說就是以這個\n\n14\n00:04:40,936 --> 00:05:07,068\n你們定義是屋內非自然死亡那但是呢發生在房屋的專有部分還有在賣方持有房屋產權期間發生那但是就是說今天他如果他是這一棟大樓或某一戶的租戶他到樓上跳樓下來這個是不在街露的裡面\n\n15\n00:05:08,427 --> 00:05:37,813\n因為民眾蠻在意的很多年輕人說我看到價格低我就去租了結果後來想一想我了解一下這附近是不是情況如何結果我發現原來他租的那一棟就是凶宅所以這個是一個然後再來就是你們說賣方持有房屋產權期間發生所以只要一轉手這個是前一個持有者的時候發生的所以後一個持有者他就不用揭露了\n\n16\n00:05:38,807 --> 00:06:07,345\n這一塊這種透明化的部分有關凶宅這一塊是不是也可以這個因為民眾都很在意嘛這一塊可不可以向委員報告一下因為有關於凶宅就非自然死亡的部分現在在我們的一個其實城屋在買賣的說明書必須揭露這個部分那我現在說的是租屋租屋沒有租屋沒有那你覺得需不需要那這個部分你們覺得需不需要\n\n17\n00:06:08,922 --> 00:06:29,135\n所以你們目前沒有都沒有只有買賣的時候有不過那個一般仲介的部分的話在做一個居間的媒介的時候有關於這個相關的訊息的部分他們一般也會去做一個產調的部分去告訴民眾但是因為政府就沒有強制那他就不會受重視就絕對沒有\n\n18\n00:06:31,246 --> 00:06:56,952\n我更新一下租屋的部分也要強制也要去揭露這個訊息所以我才跟你探討說你強制了可是你的規定好像也不盡然完善我剛剛特別舉例他住五樓可是他到頂樓假設頂樓跳下去或在頂樓怎麼了那其實是不會揭露的你租屋的規範是不是跟房屋買賣一樣\n\n19\n00:06:58,041 --> 00:07:20,769\n現在規定是一樣因為都必須要揭露所以我們這不管租屋或買賣這一塊有沒有可能研擬也麻煩會後給我這個回覆好不好就是這一塊你們研擬一下嘛因為民眾很關心我們才會接到大家的反應好那再來就是我請教部長那個我們現在好像這個\n\n20\n00:07:23,615 --> 00:07:49,349\n整個AI時代來臨像我們的這個既然要透明化而且這個也是數據有沒有在考已經有沒有在規劃未來AI時代來臨是不是有導入AI那來提高讓民眾能夠提供他好的租屋的資訊那也能夠提高行政效率甚至對我們行政我們統計處有這樣的考量\n\n21\n00:07:50,185 --> 00:08:11,206\n有這樣的考量目前的情況如何因為我們列了一個這個五年的內政智慧領航計劃那準備利用AI的技術在比如說對租屋的資料的品質的提升還有他的租屋資料的解釋還有租屋資料的政策的應用的上面\n\n22\n00:08:13,308 --> 00:08:29,497\n那這個詳細內容我們大概可以理解那既然有這樣的話AI最重要就是它要有很多的數據你沒有足夠的數據所以一樣這個資訊不夠透明你資訊不足你就沒有辦法有給民眾很好的資訊的品質\n\n23\n00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:56,147\n所以這個部分還是拉到我們很多的資訊你必須要想辦法剛剛我們講的你黑洞數太多了那你還是用在現有的裡面那他還不能反映現有的市場是我們會利用AI的技術然後利用跨領域的資料也就是說譬如說這個計劃什麼時候要實施啊還是在規劃階段已經抱怨了115年到119年\n\n24\n00:09:00,168 --> 00:09:23,734\n115到119的這五年那最後租屋補貼這一塊你們有訂這個補貼的一個價格跟它的不同級數那本席要反映的是目前好像就是台北台北它在第一級的它補貼最多\n\n25\n00:09:25,379 --> 00:09:54,265\n就是8000、5000、3000其他就是5000、4000、2400那本席在這裡只是提說那反映現在市場的情況我想那個署長應該知道竹北的房價好像直逼台北而且很可怕那它的租屋也是它的包括地段各方面所以這個東西你們多久會整個再審核一次或是再鋪孤一次因為我們大概每年都會去檢查它那個所得中位數\n\n26\n00:09:56,386 --> 00:10:09,855\n所得中位數你應該知道逐倍是全國最高的是關鍵那一個數據啦第二個當然就是說因為你的所得中位數的狀態下那大概又會跟那個房屋的持有率這一些大概都會一搭配其實有時候\n\n27\n00:10:10,990 --> 00:10:34,760\n或許會有時候就沒有辦法精準到只有那個區啦像你現在的狀態是竹北區你們是用縣市對不對對因為是用縣市那就被其他鄉鎮縣市對因為你只有基本上只有竹北跟竹東市比較高其他大概相對就拉下去了所以那一塊有時候會看不太出來因為竹北應該講竹北跟新竹市它的房價不輸給台北\n\n28\n00:10:35,200 --> 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就絕對沒有\n391246\t416952\t我更新一下租屋的部分也要強制也要去揭露這個訊息所以我才跟你探討說你強制了可是你的規定好像也不盡然完善我剛剛特別舉例他住五樓可是他到頂樓假設頂樓跳下去或在頂樓怎麼了那其實是不會揭露的你租屋的規範是不是跟房屋買賣一樣\n418041\t440769\t現在規定是一樣因為都必須要揭露所以我們這不管租屋或買賣這一塊有沒有可能研擬也麻煩會後給我這個回覆好不好就是這一塊你們研擬一下嘛因為民眾很關心我們才會接到大家的反應好那再來就是我請教部長那個我們現在好像這個\n443615\t469349\t整個AI時代來臨像我們的這個既然要透明化而且這個也是數據有沒有在考已經有沒有在規劃未來AI時代來臨是不是有導入AI那來提高讓民眾能夠提供他好的租屋的資訊那也能夠提高行政效率甚至對我們行政我們統計處有這樣的考量\n470185\t491206\t有這樣的考量目前的情況如何因為我們列了一個這個五年的內政智慧領航計劃那準備利用AI的技術在比如說對租屋的資料的品質的提升還有他的租屋資料的解釋還有租屋資料的政策的應用的上面\n493308\t509497\t那這個詳細內容我們大概可以理解那既然有這樣的話AI最重要就是它要有很多的數據你沒有足夠的數據所以一樣這個資訊不夠透明你資訊不足你就沒有辦法有給民眾很好的資訊的品質\n512479\t536147\t所以這個部分還是拉到我們很多的資訊你必須要想辦法剛剛我們講的你黑洞數太多了那你還是用在現有的裡面那他還不能反映現有的市場是我們會利用AI的技術然後利用跨領域的資料也就是說譬如說這個計劃什麼時候要實施啊還是在規劃階段已經抱怨了115年到119年\n540168\t563734\t115到119的這五年那最後租屋補貼這一塊你們有訂這個補貼的一個價格跟它的不同級數那本席要反映的是目前好像就是台北台北它在第一級的它補貼最多\n565379\t594265\t就是8000、5000、3000其他就是5000、4000、2400那本席在這裡只是提說那反映現在市場的情況我想那個署長應該知道竹北的房價好像直逼台北而且很可怕那它的租屋也是它的包括地段各方面所以這個東西你們多久會整個再審核一次或是再鋪孤一次因為我們大概每年都會去檢查它那個所得中位數\n596386\t609855\t所得中位數你應該知道逐倍是全國最高的是關鍵那一個數據啦第二個當然就是說因為你的所得中位數的狀態下那大概又會跟那個房屋的持有率這一些大概都會一搭配其實有時候\n610990\t634760\t或許會有時候就沒有辦法精準到只有那個區啦像你現在的狀態是竹北區你們是用縣市對不對對因為是用縣市那就被其他鄉鎮縣市對因為你只有基本上只有竹北跟竹東市比較高其他大概相對就拉下去了所以那一塊有時候會看不太出來因為竹北應該講竹北跟新竹市它的房價不輸給台北\n635200\t647810\t是我想您很了解所以這一塊還是得看一下因為在竹北市中屋的年輕人非常非常多新竹市也是我們是反映區域的情況好 謝謝好 謝謝徐欣穎委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請劉部長先劉部長有請好 部長我們今天是要談租賃市場透明化的現況與展望所以我們相信今天的議題可以說是不單純是租屋市場的管理它是一場關於青年生存的\n這個生存空間的危機也是政府制度誠信的壓力更是社會公平正義的最後一道防線那既然我們要談的是這個透明化所以本席想請教你目前全國租用戶數你們估計大約是多少\n報告委員現在我們是用推估的我們用這個行政院的主計總署還有教育部的部分推估大概潛在的租屋市場規模大概是110.5萬戶對這個是109年的數據\n因為他那個10年才報導一次所以我們政府治理要不要改進但是教育部是111學年度好 111 教育部111 對所以這一塊就是本席在今天這個議題要特別提出來就是說我們的政府治理要不要與時俱進109年那時候定說好我們每10年一次\n可是這個整個的科技還有各方面的這個社會的需求跟進步我們您認為還是十年一次嗎這個我們當然是要尊重主計總署主計總署\n地政司這邊報告一下地政司我們現在剛剛委員引用到了就是行政院主計總署每10年會做一次人口及住宅的一個普查那因為10年的期間有點過長所以在中間的5年我們國土署也會去做相關的一個住宅的一個調查你們怎麼調查\n好 國土署請你們是怎麼調查的報告因為我們大概都會引用這個因為他那個主席總書大致上會有一個慣性他大概會有一萬多戶的這個部分那我們大致上也會去參照他那個戶數的一個範圍去做類似因為這樣大家的數據比較不會失真對所以我們希望政府啊\n我們中央這邊要來整合 主計總署也有 教育部也有 國土署也有所以我不知道部長這是不是應該內政部總要有一個整合單位 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韓市好像說就是以這個"},{"start":280.936,"end":307.068,"text":"你們定義是屋內非自然死亡那但是呢發生在房屋的專有部分還有在賣方持有房屋產權期間發生那但是就是說今天他如果他是這一棟大樓或某一戶的租戶他到樓上跳樓下來這個是不在街露的裡面"},{"start":308.427,"end":337.813,"text":"因為民眾蠻在意的很多年輕人說我看到價格低我就去租了結果後來想一想我了解一下這附近是不是情況如何結果我發現原來他租的那一棟就是凶宅所以這個是一個然後再來就是你們說賣方持有房屋產權期間發生所以只要一轉手這個是前一個持有者的時候發生的所以後一個持有者他就不用揭露了"},{"start":338.807,"end":367.345,"text":"這一塊這種透明化的部分有關凶宅這一塊是不是也可以這個因為民眾都很在意嘛這一塊可不可以向委員報告一下因為有關於凶宅就非自然死亡的部分現在在我們的一個其實城屋在買賣的說明書必須揭露這個部分那我現在說的是租屋租屋沒有租屋沒有那你覺得需不需要那這個部分你們覺得需不需要"},{"start":368.922,"end":389.135,"text":"所以你們目前沒有 都沒有 只有買賣的時候有不過那個一般仲介的部分的話在做一個居間的媒介的時候有關於這個相關的訊息的部分他們一般也會去做一個產調的部分去告訴民眾但是因為政府就沒有強制 那他就不會受重視 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謝謝好 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