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00:02:40,511\n他普通租到的房子我說明一下因為他的房子很大部分都是屬於中古屋甚至老房子他就漲的機率本來就相對比較低但是今天如果是新成屋或是新古屋也就是在10年15年的那他漲的機率是有可能所以兩個是不太相同的市場\n\n7\n00:02:40,811 --> 00:03:09,358\n你現在的這一個說明老實講是有一個片面的一個說法的存在就主計數的這個統計數字來說還是相對有一定程度的公信力但是我今天不是在argue說真相是如何但是我們要追求真相跟觀點性是如何啦我是想說是不是內政部因為現在已經實施這麼多年了嘛我們總不希望說把這一個租金補貼造成一個助長的結果嘛所以說我們是不是應該去了解一下到底這幾年的政策的實施的結果\n\n8\n00:03:10,058 --> 00:03:33,723\n結果如何來做一個回顧檢討一個評估出來有沒有可能不過這個部分就會涉及到所有的租屋市場這是所有的租屋市場而不是只有我們在社會住宅我們現在是談租屋市場透明化嘛總是我們要逐步去檢討因為110年到現在好幾年了應該是開始做檢討還有評估的時候了我們大概本來是五年一次\n\n9\n00:03:35,163 --> 00:04:02,061\n就是說我們再檢討看看這個要不要加租但是因為這個重大政策不應該拘泥在那五年嘛好不好萬一五年之後越來越長越快那不是我們政策壓力越來越大嗎組長我做這個建議啦好不好我們做個評估啦部長謝謝啦部長也在點頭那另外一個部分當然就是納管的問題啦這邊呢我們現階段所掌握到的房租契約就大概實際市場的大約六成啦也就是大概是72萬點7萬啦內政部的報告剛剛有寫嘛\n\n10\n00:04:05,423 --> 00:04:29,630\n但是出估抓起來倒推的話我們的租屋主大概是121.1萬也是代表約莫還有48.4萬的黑數也就是未納管的部分那我們現階段是透過公益出租人租金補貼包租貸款等等還有包括財政部的查稅等等所納管的對象而有所增加漲貨大概六成\n\n11\n00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:33,439\n可是我必須說從我在財政委員會追蹤這個議題的時候目前我一直從108年\n\n12\n00:04:38,212 --> 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00:24.186\n謝謝主席有請劉部長部長好部長好部長非常謝謝受災婦的這個房屋補貼方案那個公文已經下來了謝謝然後因為同樣要談這個補貼啦因為最近那個租屋補貼的問題在內政部在111年的7月21號的時候有曾經有講說不得以租金補貼為由來調漲租金但是\n\n00:27.228 --> 00:48.760\n就結果來說的話還是會造成租金的上漲就我個人看到數據給部長參考一下根據租金的這個CPI的增幅大陸放空主計處有報告101年到110年的時候的年漲大概0.81跟同期整體的CPI的平均漲幅0.92相差無幾\n\n00:51.681 --> 01:12.894\n但是什麼時候開始租金的這個CPI開始暴漲就是從111年7月的時候年增率突然就成為2%以上那也就是111年的時候7月的時候租金補貼擴大開始日期剛好是同步成長這同步成長那現階段的補貼從300億的擴大租屋補貼開始從12萬戶到50萬戶的試用那目前為止照最新的數字最新的數字\n\n01:20.999 --> 01:48.678\n在今年的二月份目前台灣的整體CPI是1.58那房租的時候是2.56這很明顯大概增加了大概還高於1%左右我想部長請教一下還是署長代打房租的CPI的漲幅跟這個租金補貼應該有關聯性吧根文報告啦其實我們在去年就已經在做過第一次的調查就針對我們領取租金補貼的\n\n01:51.199 --> 02:18.447\n戶數啊去做一個統計其中因為94%是沒有漲的只有6%那而且漲幅也都不大那是你查到了啦沒有是租客填的租客填的我們有針對這個去做調查那這個大概因為主力總署他也是抽樣式的調查他也不是全面性的我們也是從我們的租金補貼那我只能說明一件事情是因為租金補貼\n\n02:19.728 --> 02:40.511\n他普通租到的房子我說明一下因為他的房子很大部分都是屬於中古屋甚至老房子他就漲的機率本來就相對比較低但是今天如果是新成屋或是新古屋也就是在10年15年的那他漲的機率是有可能所以兩個是不太相同的市場\n\n02:40.811 --> 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