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00:02:28,263\n那剛剛其實部長也有說到說租屋補貼從50萬戶已經提高到75萬戶了那在之前在審這個國土管理業務的預算的時候被藍白刪掉了1.4億然後凍結了41億那我認為這是非常嚴重的一件事情所以其實之前有試算過如果真的照這樣子刪下去凍下去其實租金補貼是會嚴重受到影響的那可不可以請部長在這邊說明一下這樣子是真的\n\n8\n00:02:55,361 --> 00:03:10,052\n補助的租戶的數字以及這個租金的金額是不是都會受到影響對也就是說未來的方案到底是降低他的這個合定件數或者是降低已經合定的個別的租金\n\n9\n00:03:10,672 --> 00:03:37,482\n目前我們仍然在這個研議當中但是我們仍然不希望朝這方面發展因為就像黃委員所說的申請租金補貼年輕族群真的非常多不管是單身或是就學或者是就業或者是有那個這個學齡前的兒童這個是我們比較關心的部分所以這個部分也是拜託委員可以在立法裡面多多幫忙包括山跟洞的部分千萬不要去動到這個租金補貼的部分\n\n10\n00:03:38,888 --> 00:04:05,175\n好那我們能幫的都幫了阿富翼案也過了阿所以只是說接下來如果可以盡快解凍的話當然也是希望可以盡快解凍不要去影響年輕人的租金的這個權益那再來回到今天的這個主題喔我想喔其實剛剛前面很多委員都有提到了租屋市場目前的資訊不對稱的問題還是蠻嚴重的所以我還是希望未來可以更公平然後更透明這個是大家都想要做到的\n\n11\n00:04:05,615 --> 00:04:26,772\n那我看了一下這個這個租金補貼其實實價登錄我認為是已經開始逐步有成效那我也在這邊想要另外肯定一件事情是這個租金電價的部分因為租金電價的新制上路之後確實對蠻多租客來說是一個福音那因為我自己過去也是十年的租屋族那也知道說過去大家都有被收過一度五塊這種事情\n\n12\n00:04:27,873 --> 00:04:54,221\n那新制上路之後不能超過當期的平均電價這件事情其實是對租客一個很重要的一個基本的權益啦那這個我這邊想要特別提到的是就是租金透明化這件事情那裡面我想要講的是這個代管業啊就是雖然你們說這個是民間對民間那我們政府端到底有沒有一些方式是就是我們跟代管業者來對然後讓他們跟\n\n13\n00:04:57,902 --> 00:05:20,809\n租客之間可以讓這個租賃市場是可以更透明的報告委員代管業的部分的話其實在現在包租代管的件數裡面其實代管案件其實是佔非常大的一個比例那因為很多房東的部分他沒有多餘的心思去做一些管理一些修繕那現在的部分我們也\n\n14\n00:05:21,169 --> 00:05:47,019\n其實也透過包租代管業者來協助那個我們房東那透過代管的部分把這些那個空屋把它釋放出來那房客可以受到照顧房東也可以輕鬆解決掉很多事情對但就我所知因為代管業者其實因為他不負責收租金嘛所以變成說租金的這個大致的區間那跟他的金額其實就會變成是一個沒有辦法你們去\n\n15\n00:05:47,970 --> 00:06:06,651\n管理去介入的一個部分那個部分有關於代管要不要實價登錄的部分其實我們在去年有辦過一個座談那業者大概會有幾個顧慮第一個他沒有辦法掌握到一個租金的行情因為他不一定會收租第二個部分房東有些不希望他的一個租金資訊透明\n\n16\n00:06:09,153 --> 00:06:36,891\n所以他反而如果要強制實價登錄有些房東可能就連代管都不給業者來做代管反而會讓整個一個市場更不專業所以業者大概會有這些疑問所以我在想要如何你們還能怎麼去協調業者讓他們同時願意揭露某種程度的可能是一個區間或者是更細緻的說那至少他可以提供基本的一個行情嘛那不要說很明確的數字那一步一步來但是不能說\n\n17\n00:06:38,253 --> 00:06:43,246\n因為他們遇到困難所以就都不管這就是我希望你們解決的啊\n\n18\n00:06:44,266 --> 00:07:08,538\n那現在的話其實我們現在會就我們的資訊的部分來做一個統計的處理讓民眾可以透過相關的其他的方式來知道一個租金的一個透明的行情好這個真的要拜託那另外一件事情我想要講這個租屋品質因為其實在我們住宅法裡面規定有說申請政府的租屋補貼他必須要符合第40條定的這個基本的居住水準\n\n19\n00:07:09,298 --> 00:07:24,554\n那可是這個基本居住水準裡面的明文規定其實都只有提到說應該要符合多少的面積大小但是並沒有提到安全性的部分那其實我們現在租屋的市場裡面那種獨立的套房跟雅房就是\n\n20\n00:07:25,434 --> 00:07:36,744\n房東可能又把它分割成很多小的房間然後安全跟消防可能是有疑慮的這種並沒有放在這個基本居住水準裡面也就是說雖然我們政府非常用心給大家300億去進行租屋補貼可是因為這個基本的居住水準裡面沒有提到相關的安全部分也就是說雅房他出租的時候他一樣可以跟你們申請補貼可是他可能沒有符合安全的需求\n\n21\n00:07:50,416 --> 00:08:02,016\n所以我在這邊是希望具體建議這個基本居住水準裡面可不可以也去提一些安全性的需求否則現在市場上很多這種雅房其實完全不符合消防安全的規定\n\n22\n00:08:05,643 --> 00:08:20,405\n感謝委員的確我們當時在討論的時候大概因為因為像面積或有一些基本設施因為各縣市的差異很大所以當時我們也請地方政府是不是能夠就自己各縣市的特殊的規格去開\n\n23\n00:08:21,426 --> 00:08:46,829\n但委員剛剛提的這個安全的部分我講這個建議是非常值得重視那我們回去也會去做一個討論就是說看是不是在某些方面是給他這樣子的一個要求但是相對啦如果房東願意來加入的話我們也把他納入到後續的修繕費補助裡面把這些項目把他明文訂出來那這樣的話對他們來講雙方都是一個品質的提升對好很棒謝謝署長那我希望朝這方面來努力好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t25941\t好謝謝主席我們請劉部長劉部長有請好部長好首先先跟您請教一下最近有一件事情我非常的在意就是在上禮拜四的時候台北市政府竟然說中央內政部有規定擺這個罷免的連署攤竟然要申請集會遊行那我不知道部長當然你有在媒體上面澄清過了可不可以在這邊再次的說明真的有這樣的規定嗎\n27502\t40111\t沒有,我跟委員報告一下,那個其實在不管是院長卓院長或者是我,在行政院接受立法委員質詢的時候都有提到說這是選舉罷免創制複決是人民的參政權利,那我們要保障他們的權利的時候要先能夠維護他們的安全\n46516\t63150\t那台北市警局跟台北市政府他們最後有一個台北市警局的一個方案出來那我也是非常清楚的表達就是說第一個我們要保障所有公民他們的這個權益還有保障他們安全但是並沒有特別指涉到選舉罷免法那後來 對不起指涉到這個集會遊行法\n66573\t94408\t那後來我了解到就是因為台北市政府有一個單行法規他這個單行法規要求如果你要登記集會遊行的話呢他必須要六天前登記而且要繳交三萬元的租金那後來我要求警政署再通令全台灣各地的警政單位的同仁就是說還是以院長跟部長所指示的為原則跟所謂的集會遊行法完全都沒有相關\n95439\t117432\t好 謝謝部長非常清楚的說明我認為台北市政府在這個基本的人民的公權利人民在行使他們公民的權益上面竟然用這種方式來刁難我認為非常的不齒那所以我覺得在這邊再次的說明是非常重要的我甚至懷疑說台北市政府這個蔣事府是不是有違反這個選罷法53條裡面妨礙公民來從事罷免活動這樣的規定\n122495\t138199\t所以我認為在這邊必須要予以譴責我也不希望說明明是保障人民來行使集會遊行自由的這樣的權利最後變成刁難公民的這樣的限制好 那另外一件事情我也想要跟部長再次確認因為這個租屋補貼對很多年輕人來說真的是幫助非常大\n143820\t148263\t那剛剛其實部長也有說到說租屋補貼從50萬戶已經提高到75萬戶了那在之前在審這個國土管理業務的預算的時候被藍白刪掉了1.4億然後凍結了41億那我認為這是非常嚴重的一件事情所以其實之前有試算過如果真的照這樣子刪下去凍下去其實租金補貼是會嚴重受到影響的那可不可以請部長在這邊說明一下這樣子是真的\n175361\t190052\t補助的租戶的數字以及這個租金的金額是不是都會受到影響對也就是說未來的方案到底是降低他的這個合定件數或者是降低已經合定的個別的租金\n190672\t217482\t目前我們仍然在這個研議當中但是我們仍然不希望朝這方面發展因為就像黃委員所說的申請租金補貼年輕族群真的非常多不管是單身或是就學或者是就業或者是有那個這個學齡前的兒童這個是我們比較關心的部分所以這個部分也是拜託委員可以在立法裡面多多幫忙包括山跟洞的部分千萬不要去動到這個租金補貼的部分\n218888\t245175\t好那我們能幫的都幫了阿富翼案也過了阿所以只是說接下來如果可以盡快解凍的話當然也是希望可以盡快解凍不要去影響年輕人的租金的這個權益那再來回到今天的這個主題喔我想喔其實剛剛前面很多委員都有提到了租屋市場目前的資訊不對稱的問題還是蠻嚴重的所以我還是希望未來可以更公平然後更透明這個是大家都想要做到的\n245615\t266772\t那我看了一下這個這個租金補貼其實實價登錄我認為是已經開始逐步有成效那我也在這邊想要另外肯定一件事情是這個租金電價的部分因為租金電價的新制上路之後確實對蠻多租客來說是一個福音那因為我自己過去也是十年的租屋族那也知道說過去大家都有被收過一度五塊這種事情\n267873\t294221\t那新制上路之後不能超過當期的平均電價這件事情其實是對租客一個很重要的一個基本的權益啦那這個我這邊想要特別提到的是就是租金透明化這件事情那裡面我想要講的是這個代管業啊就是雖然你們說這個是民間對民間那我們政府端到底有沒有一些方式是就是我們跟代管業者來對然後讓他們跟\n297902\t320809\t租客之間可以讓這個租賃市場是可以更透明的報告委員代管業的部分的話其實在現在包租代管的件數裡面其實代管案件其實是佔非常大的一個比例那因為很多房東的部分他沒有多餘的心思去做一些管理一些修繕那現在的部分我們也\n321169\t347019\t其實也透過包租代管業者來協助那個我們房東那透過代管的部分把這些那個空屋把它釋放出來那房客可以受到照顧房東也可以輕鬆解決掉很多事情對但就我所知因為代管業者其實因為他不負責收租金嘛所以變成說租金的這個大致的區間那跟他的金額其實就會變成是一個沒有辦法你們去\n347970\t366651\t管理去介入的一個部分那個部分有關於代管要不要實價登錄的部分其實我們在去年有辦過一個座談那業者大概會有幾個顧慮第一個他沒有辦法掌握到一個租金的行情因為他不一定會收租第二個部分房東有些不希望他的一個租金資訊透明\n369153\t396891\t所以他反而如果要強制實價登錄有些房東可能就連代管都不給業者來做代管反而會讓整個一個市場更不專業所以業者大概會有這些疑問所以我在想要如何你們還能怎麼去協調業者讓他們同時願意揭露某種程度的可能是一個區間或者是更細緻的說那至少他可以提供基本的一個行情嘛那不要說很明確的數字那一步一步來但是不能說\n398253\t403246\t因為他們遇到困難所以就都不管這就是我希望你們解決的啊\n404266\t428538\t那現在的話其實我們現在會就我們的資訊的部分來做一個統計的處理讓民眾可以透過相關的其他的方式來知道一個租金的一個透明的行情好這個真的要拜託那另外一件事情我想要講這個租屋品質因為其實在我們住宅法裡面規定有說申請政府的租屋補貼他必須要符合第40條定的這個基本的居住水準\n429298\t444554\t那可是這個基本居住水準裡面的明文規定其實都只有提到說應該要符合多少的面積大小但是並沒有提到安全性的部分那其實我們現在租屋的市場裡面那種獨立的套房跟雅房就是\n445434\t456744\t房東可能又把它分割成很多小的房間然後安全跟消防可能是有疑慮的這種並沒有放在這個基本居住水準裡面也就是說雖然我們政府非常用心給大家300億去進行租屋補貼可是因為這個基本的居住水準裡面沒有提到相關的安全部分也就是說雅房他出租的時候他一樣可以跟你們申請補貼可是他可能沒有符合安全的需求\n470416\t482016\t所以我在這邊是希望具體建議這個基本居住水準裡面可不可以也去提一些安全性的需求否則現在市場上很多這種雅房其實完全不符合消防安全的規定\n485643\t500405\t感謝委員的確我們當時在討論的時候大概因為因為像面積或有一些基本設施因為各縣市的差異很大所以當時我們也請地方政府是不是能夠就自己各縣市的特殊的規格去開\n501426\t526829\t但委員剛剛提的這個安全的部分我講這個建議是非常值得重視那我們回去也會去做一個討論就是說看是不是在某些方面是給他這樣子的一個要求但是相對啦如果房東願意來加入的話我們也把他納入到後續的修繕費補助裡面把這些項目把他明文訂出來那這樣的話對他們來講雙方都是一個品質的提升對好很棒謝謝署長那我希望朝這方面來努力好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請劉部長劉部長有請好部長好首先先跟您請教一下最近有一件事情我非常的在意就是在上禮拜四的時候台北市政府竟然說中央內政部有規定擺這個罷免的連署攤竟然要申請集會遊行那我不知道部長當然你有在媒體上面澄清過了可不可以在這邊再次的說明真的有這樣的規定嗎\n沒有,我跟委員報告一下,那個其實在不管是院長卓院長或者是我,在行政院接受立法委員質詢的時候都有提到說這是選舉罷免創制複決是人民的參政權利,那我們要保障他們的權利的時候要先能夠維護他們的安全\n那台北市警局跟台北市政府他們最後有一個台北市警局的一個方案出來那我也是非常清楚的表達就是說第一個我們要保障所有公民他們的這個權益還有保障他們安全但是並沒有特別指涉到選舉罷免法那後來 對不起指涉到這個集會遊行法\n那後來我了解到就是因為台北市政府有一個單行法規他這個單行法規要求如果你要登記集會遊行的話呢他必須要六天前登記而且要繳交三萬元的租金那後來我要求警政署再通令全台灣各地的警政單位的同仁就是說還是以院長跟部長所指示的為原則跟所謂的集會遊行法完全都沒有相關\n好 謝謝部長非常清楚的說明我認為台北市政府在這個基本的人民的公權利人民在行使他們公民的權益上面竟然用這種方式來刁難我認為非常的不齒那所以我覺得在這邊再次的說明是非常重要的我甚至懷疑說台北市政府這個蔣事府是不是有違反這個選罷法53條裡面妨礙公民來從事罷免活動這樣的規定\n所以我認為在這邊必須要予以譴責我也不希望說明明是保障人民來行使集會遊行自由的這樣的權利最後變成刁難公民的這樣的限制好 那另外一件事情我也想要跟部長再次確認因為這個租屋補貼對很多年輕人來說真的是幫助非常大\n那剛剛其實部長也有說到說租屋補貼從50萬戶已經提高到75萬戶了那在之前在審這個國土管理業務的預算的時候被藍白刪掉了1.4億然後凍結了41億那我認為這是非常嚴重的一件事情所以其實之前有試算過如果真的照這樣子刪下去凍下去其實租金補貼是會嚴重受到影響的那可不可以請部長在這邊說明一下這樣子是真的\n補助的租戶的數字以及這個租金的金額是不是都會受到影響對也就是說未來的方案到底是降低他的這個合定件數或者是降低已經合定的個別的租金\n目前我們仍然在這個研議當中但是我們仍然不希望朝這方面發展因為就像黃委員所說的申請租金補貼年輕族群真的非常多不管是單身或是就學或者是就業或者是有那個這個學齡前的兒童這個是我們比較關心的部分所以這個部分也是拜託委員可以在立法裡面多多幫忙包括山跟洞的部分千萬不要去動到這個租金補貼的部分\n好那我們能幫的都幫了阿富翼案也過了阿所以只是說接下來如果可以盡快解凍的話當然也是希望可以盡快解凍不要去影響年輕人的租金的這個權益那再來回到今天的這個主題喔我想喔其實剛剛前面很多委員都有提到了租屋市場目前的資訊不對稱的問題還是蠻嚴重的所以我還是希望未來可以更公平然後更透明這個是大家都想要做到的\n那我看了一下這個這個租金補貼其實實價登錄我認為是已經開始逐步有成效那我也在這邊想要另外肯定一件事情是這個租金電價的部分因為租金電價的新制上路之後確實對蠻多租客來說是一個福音那因為我自己過去也是十年的租屋族那也知道說過去大家都有被收過一度五塊這種事情\n那新制上路之後不能超過當期的平均電價這件事情其實是對租客一個很重要的一個基本的權益啦那這個我這邊想要特別提到的是就是租金透明化這件事情那裡面我想要講的是這個代管業啊就是雖然你們說這個是民間對民間那我們政府端到底有沒有一些方式是就是我們跟代管業者來對然後讓他們跟\n租客之間可以讓這個租賃市場是可以更透明的報告委員代管業的部分的話其實在現在包租代管的件數裡面其實代管案件其實是佔非常大的一個比例那因為很多房東的部分他沒有多餘的心思去做一些管理一些修繕那現在的部分我們也\n其實也透過包租代管業者來協助那個我們房東那透過代管的部分把這些那個空屋把它釋放出來那房客可以受到照顧房東也可以輕鬆解決掉很多事情對但就我所知因為代管業者其實因為他不負責收租金嘛所以變成說租金的這個大致的區間那跟他的金額其實就會變成是一個沒有辦法你們去\n管理去介入的一個部分那個部分有關於代管要不要實價登錄的部分其實我們在去年有辦過一個座談那業者大概會有幾個顧慮第一個他沒有辦法掌握到一個租金的行情因為他不一定會收租第二個部分房東有些不希望他的一個租金資訊透明\n所以他反而如果要強制實價登錄有些房東可能就連代管都不給業者來做代管反而會讓整個一個市場更不專業所以業者大概會有這些疑問所以我在想要如何你們還能怎麼去協調業者讓他們同時願意揭露某種程度的可能是一個區間或者是更細緻的說那至少他可以提供基本的一個行情嘛那不要說很明確的數字那一步一步來但是不能說\n因為他們遇到困難所以就都不管這就是我希望你們解決的啊\n那現在的話其實我們現在會就我們的資訊的部分來做一個統計的處理讓民眾可以透過相關的其他的方式來知道一個租金的一個透明的行情好這個真的要拜託那另外一件事情我想要講這個租屋品質因為其實在我們住宅法裡面規定有說申請政府的租屋補貼他必須要符合第40條定的這個基本的居住水準\n那可是這個基本居住水準裡面的明文規定其實都只有提到說應該要符合多少的面積大小但是並沒有提到安全性的部分那其實我們現在租屋的市場裡面那種獨立的套房跟雅房就是\n房東可能又把它分割成很多小的房間然後安全跟消防可能是有疑慮的這種並沒有放在這個基本居住水準裡面也就是說雖然我們政府非常用心給大家300億去進行租屋補貼可是因為這個基本的居住水準裡面沒有提到相關的安全部分也就是說雅房他出租的時候他一樣可以跟你們申請補貼可是他可能沒有符合安全的需求\n所以我在這邊是希望具體建議這個基本居住水準裡面可不可以也去提一些安全性的需求否則現在市場上很多這種雅房其實完全不符合消防安全的規定\n感謝委員的確我們當時在討論的時候大概因為因為像面積或有一些基本設施因為各縣市的差異很大所以當時我們也請地方政府是不是能夠就自己各縣市的特殊的規格去開\n但委員剛剛提的這個安全的部分我講這個建議是非常值得重視那我們回去也會去做一個討論就是說看是不是在某些方面是給他這樣子的一個要求但是相對啦如果房東願意來加入的話我們也把他納入到後續的修繕費補助裡面把這些項目把他明文訂出來那這樣的話對他們來講雙方都是一個品質的提升對好很棒謝謝署長那我希望朝這方面來努力好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:25.941\n好謝謝主席我們請劉部長劉部長有請好部長好首先先跟您請教一下最近有一件事情我非常的在意就是在上禮拜四的時候台北市政府竟然說中央內政部有規定擺這個罷免的連署攤竟然要申請集會遊行那我不知道部長當然你有在媒體上面澄清過了可不可以在這邊再次的說明真的有這樣的規定嗎\n\n00:27.502 --> 00:40.111\n沒有,我跟委員報告一下,那個其實在不管是院長卓院長或者是我,在行政院接受立法委員質詢的時候都有提到說這是選舉罷免創制複決是人民的參政權利,那我們要保障他們的權利的時候要先能夠維護他們的安全\n\n00:46.516 --> 01:03.150\n那台北市警局跟台北市政府他們最後有一個台北市警局的一個方案出來那我也是非常清楚的表達就是說第一個我們要保障所有公民他們的這個權益還有保障他們安全但是並沒有特別指涉到選舉罷免法那後來對不起指涉到這個集會遊行法\n\n01:06.573 --> 01:34.408\n那後來我了解到就是因為台北市政府有一個單行法規他這個單行法規要求如果你要登記集會遊行的話呢他必須要六天前登記而且要繳交三萬元的租金那後來我要求警政署再通令全台灣各地的警政單位的同仁就是說還是以院長跟部長所指示的為原則跟所謂的集會遊行法完全都沒有相關\n\n01:35.439 --> 01:57.432\n好謝謝部長非常清楚的說明我認為台北市政府在這個基本的人民的公權利人民在行使他們公民的權益上面竟然用這種方式來刁難我認為非常的不齒那所以我覺得在這邊再次的說明是非常重要的我甚至懷疑說台北市政府這個蔣事府是不是有違反這個選罷法53條裡面妨礙公民來從事罷免活動這樣的規定\n\n02:02.495 --> 02:18.199\n所以我認為在這邊必須要予以譴責我也不希望說明明是保障人民來行使集會遊行自由的這樣的權利最後變成刁難公民的這樣的限制好那另外一件事情我也想要跟部長再次確認因為這個租屋補貼對很多年輕人來說真的是幫助非常大\n\n02:23.820 --> 02:28.263\n那剛剛其實部長也有說到說租屋補貼從50萬戶已經提高到75萬戶了那在之前在審這個國土管理業務的預算的時候被藍白刪掉了1.4億然後凍結了41億那我認為這是非常嚴重的一件事情所以其實之前有試算過如果真的照這樣子刪下去凍下去其實租金補貼是會嚴重受到影響的那可不可以請部長在這邊說明一下這樣子是真的\n\n02:55.361 --> 03:10.052\n補助的租戶的數字以及這個租金的金額是不是都會受到影響對也就是說未來的方案到底是降低他的這個合定件數或者是降低已經合定的個別的租金\n\n03:10.672 --> 03:37.482\n目前我們仍然在這個研議當中但是我們仍然不希望朝這方面發展因為就像黃委員所說的申請租金補貼年輕族群真的非常多不管是單身或是就學或者是就業或者是有那個這個學齡前的兒童這個是我們比較關心的部分所以這個部分也是拜託委員可以在立法裡面多多幫忙包括山跟洞的部分千萬不要去動到這個租金補貼的部分\n\n03:38.888 --> 04:05.175\n好那我們能幫的都幫了阿富翼案也過了阿所以只是說接下來如果可以盡快解凍的話當然也是希望可以盡快解凍不要去影響年輕人的租金的這個權益那再來回到今天的這個主題喔我想喔其實剛剛前面很多委員都有提到了租屋市場目前的資訊不對稱的問題還是蠻嚴重的所以我還是希望未來可以更公平然後更透明這個是大家都想要做到的\n\n04:05.615 --> 04:26.772\n那我看了一下這個這個租金補貼其實實價登錄我認為是已經開始逐步有成效那我也在這邊想要另外肯定一件事情是這個租金電價的部分因為租金電價的新制上路之後確實對蠻多租客來說是一個福音那因為我自己過去也是十年的租屋族那也知道說過去大家都有被收過一度五塊這種事情\n\n04:27.873 --> 04:54.221\n那新制上路之後不能超過當期的平均電價這件事情其實是對租客一個很重要的一個基本的權益啦那這個我這邊想要特別提到的是就是租金透明化這件事情那裡面我想要講的是這個代管業啊就是雖然你們說這個是民間對民間那我們政府端到底有沒有一些方式是就是我們跟代管業者來對然後讓他們跟\n\n04:57.902 --> 05:20.809\n租客之間可以讓這個租賃市場是可以更透明的報告委員代管業的部分的話其實在現在包租代管的件數裡面其實代管案件其實是佔非常大的一個比例那因為很多房東的部分他沒有多餘的心思去做一些管理一些修繕那現在的部分我們也\n\n05:21.169 --> 05:47.019\n其實也透過包租代管業者來協助那個我們房東那透過代管的部分把這些那個空屋把它釋放出來那房客可以受到照顧房東也可以輕鬆解決掉很多事情對但就我所知因為代管業者其實因為他不負責收租金嘛所以變成說租金的這個大致的區間那跟他的金額其實就會變成是一個沒有辦法你們去\n\n05:47.970 --> 06:06.651\n管理去介入的一個部分那個部分有關於代管要不要實價登錄的部分其實我們在去年有辦過一個座談那業者大概會有幾個顧慮第一個他沒有辦法掌握到一個租金的行情因為他不一定會收租第二個部分房東有些不希望他的一個租金資訊透明\n\n06:09.153 --> 06:36.891\n所以他反而如果要強制實價登錄有些房東可能就連代管都不給業者來做代管反而會讓整個一個市場更不專業所以業者大概會有這些疑問所以我在想要如何你們還能怎麼去協調業者讓他們同時願意揭露某種程度的可能是一個區間或者是更細緻的說那至少他可以提供基本的一個行情嘛那不要說很明確的數字那一步一步來但是不能說\n\n06:38.253 --> 06:43.246\n因為他們遇到困難所以就都不管這就是我希望你們解決的啊\n\n06:44.266 --> 07:08.538\n那現在的話其實我們現在會就我們的資訊的部分來做一個統計的處理讓民眾可以透過相關的其他的方式來知道一個租金的一個透明的行情好這個真的要拜託那另外一件事情我想要講這個租屋品質因為其實在我們住宅法裡面規定有說申請政府的租屋補貼他必須要符合第40條定的這個基本的居住水準\n\n07:09.298 --> 07:24.554\n那可是這個基本居住水準裡面的明文規定其實都只有提到說應該要符合多少的面積大小但是並沒有提到安全性的部分那其實我們現在租屋的市場裡面那種獨立的套房跟雅房就是\n\n07:25.434 --> 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