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00:01:34,840\n川普的2.0是跟過去歷屆的總統美國總統是不一樣的即使他的川普1.0都沒有這樣子但是2.0讓全世界的金融市場特別是台灣幾乎都做雲霄飛車所以你同意不同意可以把說川普的關稅政策因為他最喜歡關稅嘛是變成我們未來要面對的\n\n6\n00:01:36,121 --> 00:01:58,894\n一頭很大的灰犀牛因為作為一個以出口為導向為主的我們的台灣那當然關稅的議題一定是我們大家很關注的其實比如說我們大概很多是資通訊產業半導體如果針對某些特定的產業剛好是我們最大的一個出口那當然對我們的影響是大的我們統一不統一會講它是灰犀牛\n\n7\n00:02:00,375 --> 00:02:16,948\n這個每個人對灰犀牛的定義不一樣啦那我覺得絕對是個重大的影響因素啦所以差不多嘛就是你不否定我的這樣嗎應該就是我剛才講我的灰犀牛跟委員的灰犀牛可能長不一樣我的黑天鵝你覺得是犀牛還是天鵝的犀牛比較好\n\n8\n00:02:19,670 --> 00:02:34,127\n我覺得牠在我心目中不是個動物牠就是個重大的我們要考慮的因素啦所以都不要考慮這個外面都形容是灰犀牛啊灰犀牛可是好用啊黑天鵝比較scare比較小啊\n\n9\n00:02:35,215 --> 00:02:36,637\n賴清德總統就在前幾天賴17條正式把中國道路界定為境外敵對勢力\n\n10\n00:02:57,538 --> 00:03:01,603\n我們看一下金融機構到大陸去了有16家如果數字有錯就請你指針\n\n11\n00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:36,867\n只分87家總部選金額多少我不要講比例我講金額多少金額多少現在假設不同業別不同銀行我剛剛報告過全部三頁加起來三頁加起來的話我先跟委員說明銀行大概8000億保險大概1270億左右證券大概只有十幾億而已所以加起來大概就是9000多億左右\n\n12\n00:03:43,150 --> 00:03:59,508\n因為我根據你們的數字在去年底是九千多億曝洩那請問他們的NPL多高NPL的話其實上我們看到應該還是在大概應該是一點多吧那還是很低啊很低很低我們國內的話只有0.15\n\n13\n00:04:04,133 --> 00:04:13,259\n這比國內的低對而且我們對國內的控制比台灣好喔不是不是我說我們國內0.15%他們大概一點多但是我們對他的那個提撥有加成\n\n14\n00:04:16,857 --> 00:04:36,636\n我請問你啊我請問你啊總統做這個宣誓以後有沒有這個長官告訴你啊比如院長告訴你未來要盯這個這一塊市場要讓他緊縮這個因為敵外軍這個境外敵對勢力啊所以當然要緊縮有沒有這樣的指示\n\n15\n00:04:37,156 --> 00:05:04,417\n其實我想我在立法院這個快一年以來幾乎每一次都有委員關注這一題我想從過去來講我們的國營從開始他們的嗅覺也非常敏銳所以一路下來其實我覺得他們已經感受到機會跟不同點的分散比如說我們很明顯看到從對岸的投資他們在減少當中但是他把這個移動到比如說南向還有比如說到澳洲\n\n16\n00:05:05,878 --> 00:05:23,257\n歐洲到美國去這非常非常明顯就跟我們很多的廠商也移動到那邊我們的金融服務業是跟隨這些廠商移動的所以我想這部分不是我的問題這個我知道啦但是我的問題是說總統這番話以後會不會加速你剛才提到的可能會我們叫OOC吧是不是\n\n17\n00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:53,496\n這個離開中國大陸然後去南下會不會這樣連包括銀行也會不會這樣其實我覺得金融業特別是銀行在這一波的過程當中他已經做了很好的調整比較沒有OO型的問題他本來就一向就是跟隨著市場其實我們的產業的移動他就跟隨著移動其實我覺得這部分可是就你的預估未來還是持續的在減少在中國大陸的一些的活動是不是可以這樣講\n\n18\n00:05:54,116 --> 00:06:21,967\n其實這取決一個因素我們的國營我們從他過去的營業範圍裡面他們大部分都是服務台商為主台商的移動還有外資企業的移動就決定了他們未來的比重我想這部分就要看這個因為金融服務就像我們去日本設廠我們的金融機構就過去我請問你因為我實際有限這些國營的或者不知道是不是國營的在大陸服務台商這些銀行他們的獲利情況跟在台灣這個\n\n19\n00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:38,834\n裡面來比的話怎麼樣我們各家情況不同平均平均比較好還是比較不好這我沒有具體的數字啦因為各家一樣不一樣不過我覺得會後我會提供給委員好請問這個台積電\n\n20\n00:06:42,296 --> 00:07:07,142\n這個要去美國投資一千億美金算不算重大事件他們當然是台積電是國內在公司治理上非常非常優異的公司是我想他們在比如說很多重大訊息的時候他都有依規定發布重大訊息的對外發重訊你什麼時候知道他3月4號的時候早上6點多就發了這個重訊也在符合我們這所有的所以你知道時間跟我一樣\n\n21\n00:07:08,734 --> 00:07:15,592\n重訓就是這樣因為我們是資本市場的管理機構阿你都沒事先找到一個所以你跟我一樣\n\n22\n00:07:17,458 --> 00:07:41,817\n我們的執掌就是在金融市場裡面我都認為你應該比我們早一點知道才對啊就像我們所有的公司他們在發重訊之前他就按照我們的規定來做他有沒有跟你們打招呼我們有不需要有沒有我們就按照規定來做就像我們這麼多的上千家兩家他發布重訊之前有沒有跟你們報告有沒有重訊的部分我想主要是跟交易所這邊來處理對\n\n23\n00:07:48,809 --> 00:08:00,158\n至少我覺得在過去不管哪家公司我們都是按照這個規定來辦理他們就是他是跟交易所之間的關係他們是跟上市就是跟交易所之間的氣氛請交易所的董事長來一下好不好時間暫停一下謝謝\n\n24\n00:08:10,449 --> 00:08:33,829\n請問他們發佈中訊之前是有沒有跟你們打招呼?一般發佈中訊之前他們不會跟我們打招呼會不會?不會都不會?對直接發佈?對他們按照中訊發佈要求的規定新管會請教編輯會因為它是這麼大的一個事情你們的角色扮演是什麼?\n\n25\n00:08:35,290 --> 00:08:57,893\n其實台積電之於金管會他就是我們所轄的上市櫃公司的議員沒有特殊的情況我們對所有上市櫃公司我們是主管機關是主政在這個部分那比如說他今天可能牽涉到其他部分其他部會的執掌比如他未來假設在那投資那是經濟部投審會他會來做決定但是我們就是一個一般的上市公司\n\n26\n00:08:58,646 --> 00:09:03,713\n好再來我再請教你這個川普把加密貨幣當作戰略儲備\n\n27\n00:09:06,741 --> 00:09:35,633\n外界以為不得了可以自由買賣其實不是的啦他是把他是把這個把這個洗錢的這些扣押住了然後但是他當作戰略儲備台灣不是啊台灣是把這些洗錢的加密貨幣加一加就放充公放國庫裡面的賣掉了變成這個樣子啦不一樣兩者不一樣我就請問你我就請問你我們要不要也follow美國做法當作戰略儲備要不要請問你\n\n28\n00:09:36,328 --> 00:10:04,913\n第一個先跟委員報告這不是我們金管會的對那我想說美國會這樣做法呢其實上市場有很多的討論本來市場預期說他們會加購結果他沒有他就把現有在司法部扣押的這20萬顆當作儲備所以市場呢就感覺也就是一個重分類的這個戰略儲備是什麼意思這個部分可能要問其他我不敢這個做你是專家不敢講沒有沒有這部分真的\n\n29\n00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:23,625\n好因為我時間快到了最後一個問題問你了你們剛好看今天最新的一個報導是同義醫療發行穩定幣所以提出了虛擬資產服務法要求所有的\n\n30\n00:10:25,162 --> 00:10:40,523\n合法的交易合法的交易所都要跟你們登記禁止私人交易你要不要講一下就是在我們的草案裡面既然我們要立這個專法一定才特許制\n\n31\n00:10:41,244 --> 00:11:07,519\n所有特許制一定是你沒有取得特許當然是不能經營這個業務這當然是那否則特許就沒有意義了所以未來呢我們要納管保護國人交易人的權益這未來都一直要你你你立法稽查禁止私人交易那當然就是接下來我們會跟司法單位就像我們現在所有的特許特許業務一樣我們就是一定有我們主政單位跟我們的司法檢調機構呢就會同步來做這些事\n\n32\n00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:34,029\n你會不會讓電子支付也參與可以交易當然這個我們講穩定幣有四種不同的東西一個就是電子支付的可以不可以電子支付可以不可以這未來也是我們討論穩定幣的類型的其中之一有沒有可以變成所謂的代幣化這樣一個過程所以你的意思就是可以就看未來我們在討論的時候那這樣一來的話那個現在有的在AppleAndroid的有些要下架好不好\n\n33\n00:11:34,809 --> 00:11:51,534\n這些我們未來穩定譬如說在台灣要上街按照我們現在草案的規劃是要經過我們的許可我們是follow全世界各國都是相同的規定謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝彭主委謝謝賴世保委員接下來請郭國文委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n690\t8562\t類似法委員質詢謝謝主席及哥欣靜有請崩諸位有請金管會崩諸位委員好\n15157\t38803\t這個大家都知道啊川普上任之後搞得全世界這個天翻地覆他一下子要課關稅然後股市就哇啦哇啦哇這個爆跌啊都有美股台股都一樣然後現在又暫緩一下暫緩一下現在開始又對這個半導體對汽車又暫緩然後股市又漲了所以這感覺啊這個\n40384\t52723\t這感覺這個因為川普的一個他的個人的特質啊讓全世界金融市場都在做雲霄飛車我這樣的statement對不對\n53717\t70207\t我想這個從過去從美國總統新當選以後到現在的政策不斷的成為國際上討論的話題每一個當然都會引起國際上面的一些很大的震動我是蠻同意委員剛才講的就是全世界都有一些蠻明顯的反應\n71508\t94840\t川普的2.0是跟過去歷屆的總統美國總統是不一樣的即使他的川普1.0都沒有這樣子但是2.0讓全世界的金融市場特別是台灣幾乎都做雲霄飛車所以你同意不同意可以把說川普的關稅政策因為他最喜歡關稅嘛是變成我們未來要面對的\n96121\t118894\t一頭很大的灰犀牛因為作為一個以出口為導向為主的我們的台灣那當然關稅的議題一定是我們大家很關注的其實比如說我們大概很多是資通訊產業半導體如果針對某些特定的產業剛好是我們最大的一個出口那當然對我們的影響是大的我們統一不統一會講它是灰犀牛\n120375\t136948\t這個每個人對灰犀牛的定義不一樣啦那我覺得絕對是個重大的影響因素啦所以差不多嘛就是你不否定我的這樣嗎應該就是我剛才講我的灰犀牛跟委員的灰犀牛可能長不一樣我的黑天鵝你覺得是犀牛還是天鵝的犀牛比較好\n139670\t154127\t我覺得牠在我心目中不是個動物牠就是個重大的我們要考慮的因素啦所以都不要考慮這個外面都形容是灰犀牛啊灰犀牛可是好用啊黑天鵝比較scare比較小啊\n155215\t156637\t賴清德總統就在前幾天賴17條正式把中國道路界定為境外敵對勢力\n177538\t181603\t我們看一下金融機構到大陸去了有16家如果數字有錯就請你指針\n194235\t216867\t只分87家總部選金額多少我不要講比例 我講金額多少金額多少現在假設不同業別不同銀行我剛剛報告過全部三頁加起來三頁加起來的話我先跟委員說明銀行大概8000億保險大概1270億左右證券大概只有十幾億而已所以加起來大概就是9000多億左右\n223150\t239508\t因為我根據你們的數字在去年底是九千多億曝洩那請問他們的NPL多高NPL的話其實上我們看到應該還是在大概應該是一點多吧那還是很低啊很低很低我們國內的話只有0.15\n244133\t253259\t這比國內的低對 而且我們對國內的控制比台灣好喔不是不是 我說我們國內0.15% 他們大概一點多但是我們對他的那個提撥有加成\n256857\t276636\t我請問你啊我請問你啊總統做這個宣誓以後有沒有這個長官告訴你啊比如院長告訴你未來要盯這個這一塊市場要讓他緊縮這個因為敵外軍這個境外敵對勢力啊所以當然要緊縮有沒有這樣的指示\n277156\t304417\t其實我想我在立法院這個快一年以來幾乎每一次都有委員關注這一題我想從過去來講我們的國營從開始他們的嗅覺也非常敏銳所以一路下來其實我覺得他們已經感受到機會跟不同點的分散比如說我們很明顯看到從對岸的投資他們在減少當中但是他把這個移動到比如說南向還有比如說到澳洲\n305878\t323257\t歐洲到美國去這非常非常明顯就跟我們很多的廠商也移動到那邊我們的金融服務業是跟隨這些廠商移動的所以我想這部分不是我的問題這個我知道啦但是我的問題是說總統這番話以後會不會加速你剛才提到的可能會我們叫OOC吧是不是\n326160\t353496\t這個離開中國大陸然後去南下會不會這樣連包括銀行也會不會這樣其實我覺得金融業特別是銀行在這一波的過程當中他已經做了很好的調整比較沒有OO型的問題他本來就一向就是跟隨著市場其實我們的產業的移動他就跟隨著移動其實我覺得這部分可是就你的預估未來還是持續的在減少在中國大陸的一些的活動是不是可以這樣講\n354116\t381967\t其實這取決一個因素我們的國營我們從他過去的營業範圍裡面他們大部分都是服務台商為主台商的移動還有外資企業的移動就決定了他們未來的比重我想這部分就要看這個因為金融服務就像我們去日本設廠我們的金融機構就過去我請問你因為我實際有限這些國營的或者不知道是不是國營的在大陸服務台商這些銀行他們的獲利情況跟在台灣這個\n384199\t398834\t裡面來比的話怎麼樣我們各家情況不同平均平均比較好還是比較不好這我沒有具體的數字啦因為各家一樣不一樣不過我覺得會後我會提供給委員好請問這個台積電\n402296\t427142\t這個要去美國投資一千億美金算不算重大事件他們當然是台積電是國內在公司治理上非常非常優異的公司是我想他們在比如說很多重大訊息的時候他都有依規定發布重大訊息的對外發重訊你什麼時候知道他3月4號的時候早上6點多就發了這個重訊也在符合我們這所有的所以你知道時間跟我一樣\n428734\t435592\t重訓就是這樣因為我們是資本市場的管理機構阿你都沒事先找到一個所以你跟我一樣\n437458\t461817\t我們的執掌就是在金融市場裡面我都認為你應該比我們早一點知道才對啊就像我們所有的公司他們在發重訊之前他就按照我們的規定來做他有沒有跟你們打招呼我們有不需要 有沒有我們就按照規定來做就像我們這麼多的上千家兩家他發布重訊之前有沒有跟你們報告 有沒有重訊的部分我想主要是跟交易所這邊來處理 對\n468809\t480158\t至少我覺得在過去不管哪家公司我們都是按照這個規定來辦理他們就是他是跟交易所之間的關係他們是跟上市就是跟交易所之間的氣氛請交易所的董事長來一下好不好時間暫停一下謝謝\n490449\t513829\t請問他們發佈中訊之前是有沒有跟你們打招呼?一般發佈中訊之前他們不會跟我們打招呼會不會?不會都不會?對直接發佈?對他們按照中訊發佈要求的規定新管會請教編輯會因為它是這麼大的一個事情你們的角色扮演是什麼?\n515290\t537893\t其實台積電之於金管會 他就是我們所轄的上市櫃公司的議員沒有特殊的情況我們對所有上市櫃公司 我們是主管機關 是主政在這個部分那比如說他今天可能牽涉到其他部分 其他部會的執掌比如他未來假設在那投資 那是經濟部投審會他會來做決定 但是我們就是一個一般的上市公司\n538646\t543713\t好 再來我再請教你這個川普把加密貨幣當作戰略儲備\n546741\t575633\t外界以為不得了可以自由買賣其實不是的啦他是把他是把這個把這個洗錢的這些扣押住了然後但是他當作戰略儲備台灣不是啊台灣是把這些洗錢的加密貨幣加一加就放充公放國庫裡面的賣掉了變成這個樣子啦不一樣兩者不一樣我就請問你我就請問你我們要不要也follow美國做法當作戰略儲備要不要請問你\n576328\t604913\t第一個先跟委員報告這不是我們金管會的對那我想說美國會這樣做法呢其實上市場有很多的討論本來市場預期說他們會加購結果他沒有他就把現有在司法部扣押的這20萬顆當作儲備所以市場呢就感覺也就是一個重分類的這個戰略儲備是什麼意思這個部分可能要問其他我不敢這個做你是專家不敢講沒有沒有這部分真的\n606740\t623625\t好 因為我時間快到了 最後一個問題問你了你們剛好看今天最新的一個報導是同義醫療發行穩定幣所以提出了虛擬資產服務法要求所有的\n625162\t640523\t合法的交易合法的交易所都要跟你們登記禁止私人交易你要不要講一下就是在我們的草案裡面既然我們要立這個專法一定才特許制\n641244\t667519\t所有特許制一定是你沒有取得特許當然是不能經營這個業務這當然是那否則特許就沒有意義了所以未來呢我們要納管保護國人交易人的權益這未來都一直要你你你立法稽查禁止私人交易那當然就是接下來我們會跟司法單位就像我們現在所有的特許特許業務一樣我們就是一定有我們主政單位跟我們的司法檢調機構呢就會同步來做這些事\n667839\t694029\t你會不會讓電子支付也參與可以交易當然這個我們講穩定幣有四種不同的東西一個就是電子支付的可以不可以電子支付可以不可以這未來也是我們討論穩定幣的類型的其中之一有沒有可以變成所謂的代幣化這樣一個過程所以你的意思就是可以就看未來我們在討論的時候那這樣一來的話那個現在有的在AppleAndroid的有些要下架好不好\n694809\t711534\t這些我們未來穩定 譬如說在台灣要上街 按照我們現在草案的規劃是要經過我們的許可 我們是follow全世界各國都是相同的規定謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝彭主委 謝謝賴世保委員接下來請郭國文委員質詢\n","txt":"類似法委員質詢謝謝主席及哥欣靜有請崩諸位有請金管會崩諸位委員好\n這個大家都知道啊川普上任之後搞得全世界這個天翻地覆他一下子要課關稅然後股市就哇啦哇啦哇這個爆跌啊都有美股台股都一樣然後現在又暫緩一下暫緩一下現在開始又對這個半導體對汽車又暫緩然後股市又漲了所以這感覺啊這個\n這感覺這個因為川普的一個他的個人的特質啊讓全世界金融市場都在做雲霄飛車我這樣的statement對不對\n我想這個從過去從美國總統新當選以後到現在的政策不斷的成為國際上討論的話題每一個當然都會引起國際上面的一些很大的震動我是蠻同意委員剛才講的就是全世界都有一些蠻明顯的反應\n川普的2.0是跟過去歷屆的總統美國總統是不一樣的即使他的川普1.0都沒有這樣子但是2.0讓全世界的金融市場特別是台灣幾乎都做雲霄飛車所以你同意不同意可以把說川普的關稅政策因為他最喜歡關稅嘛是變成我們未來要面對的\n一頭很大的灰犀牛因為作為一個以出口為導向為主的我們的台灣那當然關稅的議題一定是我們大家很關注的其實比如說我們大概很多是資通訊產業半導體如果針對某些特定的產業剛好是我們最大的一個出口那當然對我們的影響是大的我們統一不統一會講它是灰犀牛\n這個每個人對灰犀牛的定義不一樣啦那我覺得絕對是個重大的影響因素啦所以差不多嘛就是你不否定我的這樣嗎應該就是我剛才講我的灰犀牛跟委員的灰犀牛可能長不一樣我的黑天鵝你覺得是犀牛還是天鵝的犀牛比較好\n我覺得牠在我心目中不是個動物牠就是個重大的我們要考慮的因素啦所以都不要考慮這個外面都形容是灰犀牛啊灰犀牛可是好用啊黑天鵝比較scare比較小啊\n賴清德總統就在前幾天賴17條正式把中國道路界定為境外敵對勢力\n我們看一下金融機構到大陸去了有16家如果數字有錯就請你指針\n只分87家總部選金額多少我不要講比例 我講金額多少金額多少現在假設不同業別不同銀行我剛剛報告過全部三頁加起來三頁加起來的話我先跟委員說明銀行大概8000億保險大概1270億左右證券大概只有十幾億而已所以加起來大概就是9000多億左右\n因為我根據你們的數字在去年底是九千多億曝洩那請問他們的NPL多高NPL的話其實上我們看到應該還是在大概應該是一點多吧那還是很低啊很低很低我們國內的話只有0.15\n這比國內的低對 而且我們對國內的控制比台灣好喔不是不是 我說我們國內0.15% 他們大概一點多但是我們對他的那個提撥有加成\n我請問你啊我請問你啊總統做這個宣誓以後有沒有這個長官告訴你啊比如院長告訴你未來要盯這個這一塊市場要讓他緊縮這個因為敵外軍這個境外敵對勢力啊所以當然要緊縮有沒有這樣的指示\n其實我想我在立法院這個快一年以來幾乎每一次都有委員關注這一題我想從過去來講我們的國營從開始他們的嗅覺也非常敏銳所以一路下來其實我覺得他們已經感受到機會跟不同點的分散比如說我們很明顯看到從對岸的投資他們在減少當中但是他把這個移動到比如說南向還有比如說到澳洲\n歐洲到美國去這非常非常明顯就跟我們很多的廠商也移動到那邊我們的金融服務業是跟隨這些廠商移動的所以我想這部分不是我的問題這個我知道啦但是我的問題是說總統這番話以後會不會加速你剛才提到的可能會我們叫OOC吧是不是\n這個離開中國大陸然後去南下會不會這樣連包括銀行也會不會這樣其實我覺得金融業特別是銀行在這一波的過程當中他已經做了很好的調整比較沒有OO型的問題他本來就一向就是跟隨著市場其實我們的產業的移動他就跟隨著移動其實我覺得這部分可是就你的預估未來還是持續的在減少在中國大陸的一些的活動是不是可以這樣講\n其實這取決一個因素我們的國營我們從他過去的營業範圍裡面他們大部分都是服務台商為主台商的移動還有外資企業的移動就決定了他們未來的比重我想這部分就要看這個因為金融服務就像我們去日本設廠我們的金融機構就過去我請問你因為我實際有限這些國營的或者不知道是不是國營的在大陸服務台商這些銀行他們的獲利情況跟在台灣這個\n裡面來比的話怎麼樣我們各家情況不同平均平均比較好還是比較不好這我沒有具體的數字啦因為各家一樣不一樣不過我覺得會後我會提供給委員好請問這個台積電\n這個要去美國投資一千億美金算不算重大事件他們當然是台積電是國內在公司治理上非常非常優異的公司是我想他們在比如說很多重大訊息的時候他都有依規定發布重大訊息的對外發重訊你什麼時候知道他3月4號的時候早上6點多就發了這個重訊也在符合我們這所有的所以你知道時間跟我一樣\n重訓就是這樣因為我們是資本市場的管理機構阿你都沒事先找到一個所以你跟我一樣\n我們的執掌就是在金融市場裡面我都認為你應該比我們早一點知道才對啊就像我們所有的公司他們在發重訊之前他就按照我們的規定來做他有沒有跟你們打招呼我們有不需要 有沒有我們就按照規定來做就像我們這麼多的上千家兩家他發布重訊之前有沒有跟你們報告 有沒有重訊的部分我想主要是跟交易所這邊來處理 對\n至少我覺得在過去不管哪家公司我們都是按照這個規定來辦理他們就是他是跟交易所之間的關係他們是跟上市就是跟交易所之間的氣氛請交易所的董事長來一下好不好時間暫停一下謝謝\n請問他們發佈中訊之前是有沒有跟你們打招呼?一般發佈中訊之前他們不會跟我們打招呼會不會?不會都不會?對直接發佈?對他們按照中訊發佈要求的規定新管會請教編輯會因為它是這麼大的一個事情你們的角色扮演是什麼?\n其實台積電之於金管會 他就是我們所轄的上市櫃公司的議員沒有特殊的情況我們對所有上市櫃公司 我們是主管機關 是主政在這個部分那比如說他今天可能牽涉到其他部分 其他部會的執掌比如他未來假設在那投資 那是經濟部投審會他會來做決定 但是我們就是一個一般的上市公司\n好 再來我再請教你這個川普把加密貨幣當作戰略儲備\n外界以為不得了可以自由買賣其實不是的啦他是把他是把這個把這個洗錢的這些扣押住了然後但是他當作戰略儲備台灣不是啊台灣是把這些洗錢的加密貨幣加一加就放充公放國庫裡面的賣掉了變成這個樣子啦不一樣兩者不一樣我就請問你我就請問你我們要不要也follow美國做法當作戰略儲備要不要請問你\n第一個先跟委員報告這不是我們金管會的對那我想說美國會這樣做法呢其實上市場有很多的討論本來市場預期說他們會加購結果他沒有他就把現有在司法部扣押的這20萬顆當作儲備所以市場呢就感覺也就是一個重分類的這個戰略儲備是什麼意思這個部分可能要問其他我不敢這個做你是專家不敢講沒有沒有這部分真的\n好 因為我時間快到了 最後一個問題問你了你們剛好看今天最新的一個報導是同義醫療發行穩定幣所以提出了虛擬資產服務法要求所有的\n合法的交易合法的交易所都要跟你們登記禁止私人交易你要不要講一下就是在我們的草案裡面既然我們要立這個專法一定才特許制\n所有特許制一定是你沒有取得特許當然是不能經營這個業務這當然是那否則特許就沒有意義了所以未來呢我們要納管保護國人交易人的權益這未來都一直要你你你立法稽查禁止私人交易那當然就是接下來我們會跟司法單位就像我們現在所有的特許特許業務一樣我們就是一定有我們主政單位跟我們的司法檢調機構呢就會同步來做這些事\n你會不會讓電子支付也參與可以交易當然這個我們講穩定幣有四種不同的東西一個就是電子支付的可以不可以電子支付可以不可以這未來也是我們討論穩定幣的類型的其中之一有沒有可以變成所謂的代幣化這樣一個過程所以你的意思就是可以就看未來我們在討論的時候那這樣一來的話那個現在有的在AppleAndroid的有些要下架好不好\n這些我們未來穩定 譬如說在台灣要上街 按照我們現在草案的規劃是要經過我們的許可 我們是follow全世界各國都是相同的規定謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝彭主委 謝謝賴世保委員接下來請郭國文委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.690 --> 00:08.562\n類似法委員質詢謝謝主席及哥欣靜有請崩諸位有請金管會崩諸位委員好\n\n00:15.157 --> 00:38.803\n這個大家都知道啊川普上任之後搞得全世界這個天翻地覆他一下子要課關稅然後股市就哇啦哇啦哇這個爆跌啊都有美股台股都一樣然後現在又暫緩一下暫緩一下現在開始又對這個半導體對汽車又暫緩然後股市又漲了所以這感覺啊這個\n\n00:40.384 --> 00:52.723\n這感覺這個因為川普的一個他的個人的特質啊讓全世界金融市場都在做雲霄飛車我這樣的statement對不對\n\n00:53.717 --> 01:10.207\n我想這個從過去從美國總統新當選以後到現在的政策不斷的成為國際上討論的話題每一個當然都會引起國際上面的一些很大的震動我是蠻同意委員剛才講的就是全世界都有一些蠻明顯的反應\n\n01:11.508 --> 01:34.840\n川普的2.0是跟過去歷屆的總統美國總統是不一樣的即使他的川普1.0都沒有這樣子但是2.0讓全世界的金融市場特別是台灣幾乎都做雲霄飛車所以你同意不同意可以把說川普的關稅政策因為他最喜歡關稅嘛是變成我們未來要面對的\n\n01:36.121 --> 01:58.894\n一頭很大的灰犀牛因為作為一個以出口為導向為主的我們的台灣那當然關稅的議題一定是我們大家很關注的其實比如說我們大概很多是資通訊產業半導體如果針對某些特定的產業剛好是我們最大的一個出口那當然對我們的影響是大的我們統一不統一會講它是灰犀牛\n\n02:00.375 --> 02:16.948\n這個每個人對灰犀牛的定義不一樣啦那我覺得絕對是個重大的影響因素啦所以差不多嘛就是你不否定我的這樣嗎應該就是我剛才講我的灰犀牛跟委員的灰犀牛可能長不一樣我的黑天鵝你覺得是犀牛還是天鵝的犀牛比較好\n\n02:19.670 --> 02:34.127\n我覺得牠在我心目中不是個動物牠就是個重大的我們要考慮的因素啦所以都不要考慮這個外面都形容是灰犀牛啊灰犀牛可是好用啊黑天鵝比較scare比較小啊\n\n02:35.215 --> 02:36.637\n賴清德總統就在前幾天賴17條正式把中國道路界定為境外敵對勢力\n\n02:57.538 --> 03:01.603\n我們看一下金融機構到大陸去了有16家如果數字有錯就請你指針\n\n03:14.235 --> 03:36.867\n只分87家總部選金額多少我不要講比例我講金額多少金額多少現在假設不同業別不同銀行我剛剛報告過全部三頁加起來三頁加起來的話我先跟委員說明銀行大概8000億保險大概1270億左右證券大概只有十幾億而已所以加起來大概就是9000多億左右\n\n03:43.150 --> 03:59.508\n因為我根據你們的數字在去年底是九千多億曝洩那請問他們的NPL多高NPL的話其實上我們看到應該還是在大概應該是一點多吧那還是很低啊很低很低我們國內的話只有0.15\n\n04:04.133 --> 04:13.259\n這比國內的低對而且我們對國內的控制比台灣好喔不是不是我說我們國內0.15%他們大概一點多但是我們對他的那個提撥有加成\n\n04:16.857 --> 04:36.636\n我請問你啊我請問你啊總統做這個宣誓以後有沒有這個長官告訴你啊比如院長告訴你未來要盯這個這一塊市場要讓他緊縮這個因為敵外軍這個境外敵對勢力啊所以當然要緊縮有沒有這樣的指示\n\n04:37.156 --> 05:04.417\n其實我想我在立法院這個快一年以來幾乎每一次都有委員關注這一題我想從過去來講我們的國營從開始他們的嗅覺也非常敏銳所以一路下來其實我覺得他們已經感受到機會跟不同點的分散比如說我們很明顯看到從對岸的投資他們在減少當中但是他把這個移動到比如說南向還有比如說到澳洲\n\n05:05.878 --> 05:23.257\n歐洲到美國去這非常非常明顯就跟我們很多的廠商也移動到那邊我們的金融服務業是跟隨這些廠商移動的所以我想這部分不是我的問題這個我知道啦但是我的問題是說總統這番話以後會不會加速你剛才提到的可能會我們叫OOC吧是不是\n\n05:26.160 --> 05:53.496\n這個離開中國大陸然後去南下會不會這樣連包括銀行也會不會這樣其實我覺得金融業特別是銀行在這一波的過程當中他已經做了很好的調整比較沒有OO型的問題他本來就一向就是跟隨著市場其實我們的產業的移動他就跟隨著移動其實我覺得這部分可是就你的預估未來還是持續的在減少在中國大陸的一些的活動是不是可以這樣講\n\n05:54.116 --> 06:21.967\n其實這取決一個因素我們的國營我們從他過去的營業範圍裡面他們大部分都是服務台商為主台商的移動還有外資企業的移動就決定了他們未來的比重我想這部分就要看這個因為金融服務就像我們去日本設廠我們的金融機構就過去我請問你因為我實際有限這些國營的或者不知道是不是國營的在大陸服務台商這些銀行他們的獲利情況跟在台灣這個\n\n06:24.199 --> 06:38.834\n裡面來比的話怎麼樣我們各家情況不同平均平均比較好還是比較不好這我沒有具體的數字啦因為各家一樣不一樣不過我覺得會後我會提供給委員好請問這個台積電\n\n06:42.296 --> 07:07.142\n這個要去美國投資一千億美金算不算重大事件他們當然是台積電是國內在公司治理上非常非常優異的公司是我想他們在比如說很多重大訊息的時候他都有依規定發布重大訊息的對外發重訊你什麼時候知道他3月4號的時候早上6點多就發了這個重訊也在符合我們這所有的所以你知道時間跟我一樣\n\n07:08.734 --> 07:15.592\n重訓就是這樣因為我們是資本市場的管理機構阿你都沒事先找到一個所以你跟我一樣\n\n07:17.458 --> 07:41.817\n我們的執掌就是在金融市場裡面我都認為你應該比我們早一點知道才對啊就像我們所有的公司他們在發重訊之前他就按照我們的規定來做他有沒有跟你們打招呼我們有不需要有沒有我們就按照規定來做就像我們這麼多的上千家兩家他發布重訊之前有沒有跟你們報告有沒有重訊的部分我想主要是跟交易所這邊來處理對\n\n07:48.809 --> 08:00.158\n至少我覺得在過去不管哪家公司我們都是按照這個規定來辦理他們就是他是跟交易所之間的關係他們是跟上市就是跟交易所之間的氣氛請交易所的董事長來一下好不好時間暫停一下謝謝\n\n08:10.449 --> 08:33.829\n請問他們發佈中訊之前是有沒有跟你們打招呼?一般發佈中訊之前他們不會跟我們打招呼會不會?不會都不會?對直接發佈?對他們按照中訊發佈要求的規定新管會請教編輯會因為它是這麼大的一個事情你們的角色扮演是什麼?\n\n08:35.290 --> 08:57.893\n其實台積電之於金管會他就是我們所轄的上市櫃公司的議員沒有特殊的情況我們對所有上市櫃公司我們是主管機關是主政在這個部分那比如說他今天可能牽涉到其他部分其他部會的執掌比如他未來假設在那投資那是經濟部投審會他會來做決定但是我們就是一個一般的上市公司\n\n08:58.646 --> 09:03.713\n好再來我再請教你這個川普把加密貨幣當作戰略儲備\n\n09:06.741 --> 09:35.633\n外界以為不得了可以自由買賣其實不是的啦他是把他是把這個把這個洗錢的這些扣押住了然後但是他當作戰略儲備台灣不是啊台灣是把這些洗錢的加密貨幣加一加就放充公放國庫裡面的賣掉了變成這個樣子啦不一樣兩者不一樣我就請問你我就請問你我們要不要也follow美國做法當作戰略儲備要不要請問你\n\n09:36.328 --> 10:04.913\n第一個先跟委員報告這不是我們金管會的對那我想說美國會這樣做法呢其實上市場有很多的討論本來市場預期說他們會加購結果他沒有他就把現有在司法部扣押的這20萬顆當作儲備所以市場呢就感覺也就是一個重分類的這個戰略儲備是什麼意思這個部分可能要問其他我不敢這個做你是專家不敢講沒有沒有這部分真的\n\n10:06.740 --> 10:23.625\n好因為我時間快到了最後一個問題問你了你們剛好看今天最新的一個報導是同義醫療發行穩定幣所以提出了虛擬資產服務法要求所有的\n\n10:25.162 --> 10:40.523\n合法的交易合法的交易所都要跟你們登記禁止私人交易你要不要講一下就是在我們的草案裡面既然我們要立這個專法一定才特許制\n\n10:41.244 --> 11:07.519\n所有特許制一定是你沒有取得特許當然是不能經營這個業務這當然是那否則特許就沒有意義了所以未來呢我們要納管保護國人交易人的權益這未來都一直要你你你立法稽查禁止私人交易那當然就是接下來我們會跟司法單位就像我們現在所有的特許特許業務一樣我們就是一定有我們主政單位跟我們的司法檢調機構呢就會同步來做這些事\n\n11:07.839 --> 11:34.029\n你會不會讓電子支付也參與可以交易當然這個我們講穩定幣有四種不同的東西一個就是電子支付的可以不可以電子支付可以不可以這未來也是我們討論穩定幣的類型的其中之一有沒有可以變成所謂的代幣化這樣一個過程所以你的意思就是可以就看未來我們在討論的時候那這樣一來的話那個現在有的在AppleAndroid的有些要下架好不好\n\n11:34.809 --> 11:51.534\n這些我們未來穩定譬如說在台灣要上街按照我們現在草案的規劃是要經過我們的許可我們是follow全世界各國都是相同的規定謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝彭主委謝謝賴世保委員接下來請郭國文委員質詢\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.69,"end":8.562,"text":"類似法委員質詢謝謝主席及哥欣靜有請崩諸位有請金管會崩諸位委員好"},{"start":15.157,"end":38.803,"text":"這個大家都知道啊川普上任之後搞得全世界這個天翻地覆他一下子要課關稅然後股市就哇啦哇啦哇這個爆跌啊都有美股台股都一樣然後現在又暫緩一下暫緩一下現在開始又對這個半導體對汽車又暫緩然後股市又漲了所以這感覺啊這個"},{"start":40.384,"end":52.723,"text":"這感覺這個因為川普的一個他的個人的特質啊讓全世界金融市場都在做雲霄飛車我這樣的statement對不對"},{"start":53.717,"end":70.207,"text":"我想這個從過去從美國總統新當選以後到現在的政策不斷的成為國際上討論的話題每一個當然都會引起國際上面的一些很大的震動我是蠻同意委員剛才講的就是全世界都有一些蠻明顯的反應"},{"start":71.508,"end":94.84,"text":"川普的2.0是跟過去歷屆的總統美國總統是不一樣的即使他的川普1.0都沒有這樣子但是2.0讓全世界的金融市場特別是台灣幾乎都做雲霄飛車所以你同意不同意可以把說川普的關稅政策因為他最喜歡關稅嘛是變成我們未來要面對的"},{"start":96.121,"end":118.894,"text":"一頭很大的灰犀牛因為作為一個以出口為導向為主的我們的台灣那當然關稅的議題一定是我們大家很關注的其實比如說我們大概很多是資通訊產業半導體如果針對某些特定的產業剛好是我們最大的一個出口那當然對我們的影響是大的我們統一不統一會講它是灰犀牛"},{"start":120.375,"end":136.948,"text":"這個每個人對灰犀牛的定義不一樣啦那我覺得絕對是個重大的影響因素啦所以差不多嘛就是你不否定我的這樣嗎應該就是我剛才講我的灰犀牛跟委員的灰犀牛可能長不一樣我的黑天鵝你覺得是犀牛還是天鵝的犀牛比較好"},{"start":139.67,"end":154.127,"text":"我覺得牠在我心目中不是個動物牠就是個重大的我們要考慮的因素啦所以都不要考慮這個外面都形容是灰犀牛啊灰犀牛可是好用啊黑天鵝比較scare比較小啊"},{"start":155.215,"end":156.637,"text":"賴清德總統就在前幾天賴17條正式把中國道路界定為境外敵對勢力"},{"start":177.538,"end":181.603,"text":"我們看一下金融機構到大陸去了有16家如果數字有錯就請你指針"},{"start":194.235,"end":216.867,"text":"只分87家總部選金額多少我不要講比例 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有沒有我們就按照規定來做就像我們這麼多的上千家兩家他發布重訊之前有沒有跟你們報告 有沒有重訊的部分我想主要是跟交易所這邊來處理 對"},{"start":468.809,"end":480.158,"text":"至少我覺得在過去不管哪家公司我們都是按照這個規定來辦理他們就是他是跟交易所之間的關係他們是跟上市就是跟交易所之間的氣氛請交易所的董事長來一下好不好時間暫停一下謝謝"},{"start":490.449,"end":513.829,"text":"請問他們發佈中訊之前是有沒有跟你們打招呼?一般發佈中訊之前他們不會跟我們打招呼會不會?不會都不會?對直接發佈?對他們按照中訊發佈要求的規定新管會請教編輯會因為它是這麼大的一個事情你們的角色扮演是什麼?"},{"start":515.29,"end":537.893,"text":"其實台積電之於金管會 他就是我們所轄的上市櫃公司的議員沒有特殊的情況我們對所有上市櫃公司 我們是主管機關 是主政在這個部分那比如說他今天可能牽涉到其他部分 其他部會的執掌比如他未來假設在那投資 那是經濟部投審會他會來做決定 但是我們就是一個一般的上市公司"},{"start":538.646,"end":543.713,"text":"好 再來我再請教你這個川普把加密貨幣當作戰略儲備"},{"start":546.741,"end":575.633,"text":"外界以為不得了可以自由買賣其實不是的啦他是把他是把這個把這個洗錢的這些扣押住了然後但是他當作戰略儲備台灣不是啊台灣是把這些洗錢的加密貨幣加一加就放充公放國庫裡面的賣掉了變成這個樣子啦不一樣兩者不一樣我就請問你我就請問你我們要不要也follow美國做法當作戰略儲備要不要請問你"},{"start":576.328,"end":604.913,"text":"第一個先跟委員報告這不是我們金管會的對那我想說美國會這樣做法呢其實上市場有很多的討論本來市場預期說他們會加購結果他沒有他就把現有在司法部扣押的這20萬顆當作儲備所以市場呢就感覺也就是一個重分類的這個戰略儲備是什麼意思這個部分可能要問其他我不敢這個做你是專家不敢講沒有沒有這部分真的"},{"start":606.74,"end":623.625,"text":"好 因為我時間快到了 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