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00:01:22,801\n所以我在這裡跟那個主委特別提到了一點當然我知道就是說你一直認為就是說\n\n6\n00:01:41,377 --> 00:01:57,451\n中租的一個租賃的不要說一定是中租啦就是租賃的這個產業其實它真正的這些就是受款的、受信的這一些款項其實在你金管會的一個管理裡頭它其實是不多啦\n\n7\n00:01:57,671 --> 00:02:16,644\n不管說他10兆還是多少錢可是我們實在應該要正視就是租賃業他就是監管套利的一個問題這個其實我們都看到了一個非常嚴重的一個問題我們擔心他這個把從銀行借的錢然後那個進到那個\n\n8\n00:02:18,946 --> 00:02:34,597\n那他的一個先買後戶這個也造成社會很大的一個問題那如果我再給主委看到一個這個數字我想這個會讓大家嚇一大跳中租是金融業的繳稅大王\n\n9\n00:02:36,218 --> 00:02:55,405\n他今年是所有金融業裡頭排序第六名他繳了101億他比富邦金控的第十名富邦金控他的第十名繳了94億你看他繳了這麼多的稅可見還有一些是檯面下的檯面上他都必須要繳這麼多了\n\n10\n00:02:57,126 --> 00:03:26,486\n這個其實是一個很大的一個問題所以有沒有機會從銀行業者有一個嚴格的一個管制方式就是說你可以從這裡頭就是說最基本的就是揭露各個各項財務的一個資訊像是說換款疑惡的一個統計還有換款的一個品質還有不良債權這一段你可以不可以管就是說比照金融機構公開的一個財務的一個資訊這個我覺得你是可以要求的\n\n11\n00:03:27,386 --> 00:03:53,454\n剛剛委員報告就是說第一個中租不是金融機構我先特別提醒一下就是說這部分因為我們現在還不是我們所想即便未來我們要針對他的對自然人的消費類似消費金融的業務我們才會納管只有這部分是沒有剛剛委員有提到就是說對於這個所謂的影子銀行的問題就是說他今天如果說借然後去這個我們現在已經也\n\n12\n00:03:54,554 --> 00:04:09,950\n也進行納管我想委員會有注意到我們去年12月13號我們又訂了一個頒個函針對銀行跟融資租賃公司我們有四項措施嘛請問有個就會納入到央行的信用管制裡面說他真的是在做跟房地產有關的部分\n\n13\n00:04:11,492 --> 00:04:29,150\n對這部分再來就是說因為中租這家公司應該是我們的上市公司上市公司有他一定資訊揭露的這些的規定這部分我們會請齊局來研究一下這部分的話要怎麼揭露是不是有什麼地方是有什麼可以再來強化就按照我們上市貴公司的方式來處理這樣\n\n14\n00:04:30,051 --> 00:04:59,651\n所以主委其實不管是本席還是郭公文委員還是那個王世堅委員其實我們都一直就是就有不同的一個執行方式還是文字上的一個就是公文的一個來訪我們希望就是說你要強力的去約束他有沒有機會就是說甚至他簽據這個關切的那個切結書這個其實你都有回應我們那當然就是說大家其實也是一直\n\n15\n00:05:00,812 --> 00:05:21,710\n積極的投入一些比較合法公平的一個方式來監督這個主任公司我們都擔心他的年代的一個金流是不是有機會就是穿透式的一個管理因為我覺得如果就是說雖然他是經濟部的可是你這邊其實也有一些霹靂的手法\n\n16\n00:05:23,191 --> 00:05:40,122\n我不知道主委你怎麼看這些事這點是我們現在正在做的方式剛剛提到因為我們如果是任何跟銀行金融機構貸款的部分貸後管理的部分我們會來做一些強化就像我剛剛跟委員報告我們對銀行有信用管制\n\n17\n00:05:41,202 --> 00:06:00,075\n當然如果他透過某個管道繞過一樣做這件事情我們還是要納入這個再來他如果跟銀行講說這個貸款是要做什麼結果不做這個事情的話那銀行就要開始採取他的作為這我們會來好好的要求銀行主委你會不會用租賃專法透過金保法來規範\n\n18\n00:06:01,856 --> 00:06:16,927\n會不會?我們現在已經在按照我們的時程應該我們這部的正式納管應該是在我們的法規如果預告到6月30號結束然後施行以後給予幾個月的那個緩衝期我們就會開始\n\n19\n00:06:18,348 --> 00:06:33,048\n可是你現在的進度就是在1月份的時候你金管會你就是有一個這樣的一個公告出來了那到現在3月份的時候你又那個是不是就是這個進度有一點慢啊\n\n20\n00:06:34,449 --> 00:06:50,457\n這個跟委員報告倒沒有慢我們的速度非常快因為這本來就一個法制作業就一定要這樣實成還有就是說融資租賃公司他們本身要調整他的作業因為他本質上過去沒有納管很多的方式他必須要重做而且我們在執法裡面會新加入很多新的規定\n\n21\n00:06:51,497 --> 00:07:14,644\n請他們來遵守我想我們一再的關心就是不希望就是說在央行執行這個信用管制的時候我們在打壓這個炒房的情況之下還有很多的一個其他的一個那個資金的一個漏洞可以流入到房市在請求儘管會在一個業內提供以下的一個書面報告這個不管是那個國營對那個租賃那個融資業\n\n22\n00:07:16,345 --> 00:07:18,647\n要跟主委來溝通這個打炸這個打炸其實是我們國內非常\n\n23\n00:07:33,780 --> 00:08:02,139\n那個嚴肅的一個議題也是非常嚴重的一個議題就是光是昨天一天有612件昨天剛好是最多的那這個金額那個達到3億那我們有看到就是說從2024年的8月這個是最高峰138億可是我沒有看到你們打詐的一個成果從到那個就是2025年的那個2月那已經掉到61億\n\n24\n00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:30,161\n那我們國內的銀行國內的銀行怎麼樣協助就是說打仗是不是有一個比較好的方式呢其實各位委員報告我們的銀行金融機構真的是盡全力在做這件事情我們也是對它做要求像各位委員報告最近我們訂了一個叫責任地圖這實際上是一個非常非常重要的措施因為我們要求每家銀行它自己要有打仗主管我們每個月監控他們兩個指標\n\n25\n00:08:31,702 --> 00:08:54,112\n這個指標就是他的警示帳戶的這些指標如果做不好的話我們就一家一家盯我想這些事情除了這個以外還有就是我們也成立了那個金融科技聯盟專門針對這個東西進行所謂的科技打炸還有我們還有其實我們做非常非常多事情只是說很多事情我們不方便對外揭露我們希望能夠有效的控制住他利用這個帳戶做不法的\n\n26\n00:08:54,632 --> 00:09:23,291\n其實我們知道我們知道就是說在那個國企的一個銀行裡頭就是說開戶的那個KYC其實也做到非常嚴格甚至我們在網路上我們有拉到了一個非常有趣的一個銀行那個銀行之言裡頭他講的就是說他每天的一個那個工作的一個日記報告我放一下這個實在是我們看得出來銀行銀行之言的一個無奈\n\n27\n00:09:25,267 --> 00:09:54,580\n大聲一點喔為什麼舉高不下逐年成長我沒事找事做嗎我吃飽太閒嗎回答我整天被人靠杯你回答我我你們這些說不會被騙的人回答我LookatmyeyesTellmewhyWhybabywhy被詐騙也靠杯認真防詐也不爽我是不是按照流程關懷客戶你以為會喜歡是不是啊\n\n28\n00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:19,990\n蓋到行員身上來了那我再問你投資群組保證獲利天底下有這麼好康的是嗎給你先嚐嚐當今就是我們很多銀行的職員的一個無奈就是問太多了就被講說就被客戶講說多管閒事不問的話又是戶心人事所以我想就是說希望就是銀行在這個\n\n29\n00:10:21,310 --> 00:10:49,286\n這個阻攔那個詐騙的過程裡頭可以更靈活因為事實上就是說平衡安全的一個考量跟隱私的一個尊重那我們希望就是金管會嚴厲提供銀行這個櫃員相關的SOP的一個演練的一個培訓當然就是說像主委你講你們做了出了很大的一個力氣可是事實上可以講不可以講的我們都知道你們在努力那我們也希望就是說可以把一些手法更精進\n\n30\n00:10:50,407 --> 00:11:08,025\n那研擬更好的一個獎勵方式獎勵方式非常的重要我覺得這個蘿蔔跟棍子一起酸管齊下的時候應該可以看到一個很好的成效我們有看到這個儀表板一直都在下來啦一直都在下來啦所以在這邊要謝謝委員給我這個機會我在這邊也趁這個機會跟所有我們第一線\n\n31\n00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:35,751\n進行關懷客戶的行員們真的非常的感謝我也會要求我們金融機構要全力對他們支持剛剛那行員的短片我覺得是很多行員的心聲因為他們正常是在做金融業務的服務但是主詐成為他們日常非常重要的一個工作那我也希望社會給他們多多的支持跟體諒因為我們去年呢我們主詐就是單單就是100億了\n\n32\n00:11:37,632 --> 00:11:53,601\n就是單單攔下一百億我想這部分真的要非常感謝我們銀行的第一線當然我應該指證說我們有優化我們的方法讓客戶感覺到更好的方式我覺得我們會來努力主委重點是獎勵的方式那當然我們會來研究獎勵的方式\n\n33\n00:11:54,862 --> 00:12:04,372\n這個是最重要的其實我們都有重賞之下必有這個很多投入更積極投入的行業謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝張委員的質詢下一位請李燕秀委員質詢請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1411\t15143\t主委早安我想今天針對的金管會金管會的業務就是有兩項那個事情跟你做一下討論一個是租賃公司一個就是打造我想租賃公司這個中租\n15883\t31133\t中租抵合在國內的連帶案其實我們如果從2022年那就是到2025年我們初估啦現在初估看得到的是556億那我們知道就是說兆豐借給他非常多借給他223億\n34335\t58571\t那我們甚至還看到了就是說在這個二月份的時候他跟那個第一金控又有一個65億的一個年代主委你清不清楚就是國內的這個銀行對租賃跟融資公司的一個授信的一個餘額大概有多少錢我們有做這樣一個統計可不可以請我們莊副局長來跟文做簡單說明\n60851\t77277\t包委員我們金融機構授信給融資公司全部約4000多億主要是授信就是放款加保證這個從多久到現在呢這個是最新的數字應該是今年一二月的數字\n78177\t82801\t所以我在這裡跟那個主委特別提到了一點當然我知道就是說你一直認為就是說\n101377\t117451\t中租的一個租賃的不要說一定是中租啦就是租賃的這個產業其實它真正的這些就是受款的、受信的這一些款項其實在你金管會的一個管理裡頭它其實是不多啦\n117671\t136644\t不管說他10兆還是多少錢可是我們實在應該要正視就是租賃業他就是監管套利的一個問題這個其實我們都看到了一個非常嚴重的一個問題我們擔心他這個把從銀行借的錢然後那個進到那個\n138946\t154597\t那他的一個先買後戶這個也造成社會很大的一個問題那如果我再給主委看到一個這個數字我想這個會讓大家嚇一大跳中租是金融業的繳稅大王\n156218\t175405\t他今年是所有金融業裡頭排序第六名他繳了101億他比富邦金控的第十名富邦金控他的第十名繳了94億你看他繳了這麼多的稅可見還有一些是檯面下的檯面上他都必須要繳這麼多了\n177126\t206486\t這個其實是一個很大的一個問題所以有沒有機會從銀行業者有一個嚴格的一個管制方式就是說你可以從這裡頭就是說最基本的就是揭露各個各項財務的一個資訊像是說換款疑惡的一個統計還有換款的一個品質還有不良債權這一段你可以不可以管就是說比照金融機構公開的一個財務的一個資訊這個我覺得你是可以要求的\n207386\t233454\t剛剛委員報告就是說第一個中租不是金融機構我先特別提醒一下就是說這部分因為我們現在還不是我們所想即便未來我們要針對他的對自然人的消費類似消費金融的業務我們才會納管只有這部分是沒有剛剛委員有提到就是說對於這個所謂的影子銀行的問題就是說他今天如果說借然後去這個我們現在已經也\n234554\t249950\t也進行納管我想委員會有注意到我們去年12月13號我們又訂了一個頒個函針對銀行跟融資租賃公司我們有四項措施嘛請問有個就會納入到央行的信用管制裡面說他真的是在做跟房地產有關的部分\n251492\t269150\t對這部分再來就是說因為中租這家公司應該是我們的上市公司上市公司有他一定資訊揭露的這些的規定這部分我們會請齊局來研究一下這部分的話要怎麼揭露是不是有什麼地方是有什麼可以再來強化就按照我們上市貴公司的方式來處理這樣\n270051\t299651\t所以主委其實不管是本席還是郭公文委員還是那個王世堅委員其實我們都一直就是就有不同的一個執行方式還是文字上的一個就是公文的一個來訪我們希望就是說你要強力的去約束他有沒有機會就是說甚至他簽據這個關切的那個切結書這個其實你都有回應我們那當然就是說大家其實也是一直\n300812\t321710\t積極的投入一些比較合法公平的一個方式來監督這個主任公司我們都擔心他的年代的一個金流是不是有機會就是穿透式的一個管理因為我覺得如果就是說雖然他是經濟部的可是你這邊其實也有一些霹靂的手法\n323191\t340122\t我不知道主委你怎麼看這些事這點是我們現在正在做的方式剛剛提到因為我們如果是任何跟銀行金融機構貸款的部分貸後管理的部分我們會來做一些強化就像我剛剛跟委員報告我們對銀行有信用管制\n341202\t360075\t當然如果他透過某個管道繞過一樣做這件事情我們還是要納入這個再來他如果跟銀行講說這個貸款是要做什麼結果不做這個事情的話那銀行就要開始採取他的作為這我們會來好好的要求銀行主委你會不會用租賃專法透過金保法來規範\n361856\t376927\t會不會?我們現在已經在按照我們的時程應該我們這部的正式納管應該是在我們的法規如果預告到6月30號結束然後施行以後給予幾個月的那個緩衝期我們就會開始\n378348\t393048\t可是你現在的進度就是在1月份的時候你金管會你就是有一個這樣的一個公告出來了那到現在3月份的時候你又那個是不是就是這個進度有一點慢啊\n394449\t410457\t這個跟委員報告倒沒有慢我們的速度非常快因為這本來就一個法制作業就一定要這樣實成還有就是說融資租賃公司他們本身要調整他的作業因為他本質上過去沒有納管很多的方式他必須要重做而且我們在執法裡面會新加入很多新的規定\n411497\t434644\t請他們來遵守我想我們一再的關心就是不希望就是說在央行執行這個信用管制的時候我們在打壓這個炒房的情況之下還有很多的一個其他的一個那個資金的一個漏洞可以流入到房市在請求儘管會在一個業內提供以下的一個書面報告這個不管是那個國營對那個租賃那個融資業\n436345\t438647\t要跟主委來溝通這個打炸這個打炸其實是我們國內非常\n453780\t482139\t那個嚴肅的一個議題也是非常嚴重的一個議題就是光是昨天一天有612件昨天剛好是最多的那這個金額那個達到3億那我們有看到就是說從2024年的8月這個是最高峰138億可是我沒有看到你們打詐的一個成果從到那個就是2025年的那個2月那已經掉到61億\n483780\t510161\t那我們國內的銀行 國內的銀行怎麼樣協助就是說打仗是不是有一個比較好的方式呢其實各位委員報告我們的銀行金融機構真的是盡全力在做這件事情我們也是對它做要求像各位委員報告最近我們訂了一個叫責任地圖這實際上是一個非常非常重要的措施因為我們要求每家銀行它自己要有打仗主管我們每個月監控他們兩個指標\n511702\t534112\t這個指標就是他的警示帳戶的這些指標如果做不好的話我們就一家一家盯我想這些事情除了這個以外還有就是我們也成立了那個金融科技聯盟專門針對這個東西進行所謂的科技打炸還有我們還有其實我們做非常非常多事情只是說很多事情我們不方便對外揭露我們希望能夠有效的控制住他利用這個帳戶做不法的\n534632\t563291\t其實我們知道我們知道就是說在那個國企的一個銀行裡頭就是說開戶的那個KYC其實也做到非常嚴格甚至我們在網路上我們有拉到了一個非常有趣的一個銀行那個銀行之言裡頭他講的就是說他每天的一個那個工作的一個日記報告我放一下這個實在是我們看得出來銀行銀行之言的一個無奈\n565267\t594580\t大聲一點喔為什麼舉高不下逐年成長我沒事找事做嗎我吃飽太閒嗎回答我整天被人靠杯你回答我我你們這些說不會被騙的人回答我Look at my eyesTell me whyWhy baby why被詐騙也靠杯認真防詐也不爽我是不是按照流程關懷客戶你以為會喜歡是不是啊\n596520\t619990\t蓋到行員身上來了那我再問你投資群組保證獲利天底下有這麼好康的是嗎給你先嚐嚐當今就是我們很多銀行的職員的一個無奈就是問太多了就被講說就被客戶講說多管閒事不問的話又是戶心人事所以我想就是說希望就是銀行在這個\n621310\t649286\t這個阻攔那個詐騙的過程裡頭可以更靈活因為事實上就是說平衡安全的一個考量跟隱私的一個尊重那我們希望就是金管會嚴厲提供銀行這個櫃員相關的SOP的一個演練的一個培訓當然就是說像主委你講你們做了出了很大的一個力氣可是事實上可以講不可以講的我們都知道你們在努力那我們也希望就是說可以把一些手法更精進\n650407\t668025\t那研擬更好的一個獎勵方式獎勵方式非常的重要我覺得這個蘿蔔跟棍子一起酸管齊下的時候應該可以看到一個很好的成效我們有看到這個儀表板一直都在下來啦一直都在下來啦所以在這邊要謝謝委員給我這個機會我在這邊也趁這個機會跟所有我們第一線\n673770\t695751\t進行關懷客戶的行員們真的非常的感謝我也會要求我們金融機構要全力對他們支持剛剛那行員的短片我覺得是很多行員的心聲因為他們正常是在做金融業務的服務但是主詐成為他們日常非常重要的一個工作那我也希望社會給他們多多的支持跟體諒因為我們去年呢我們主詐就是單單就是100億了\n697632\t713601\t就是單單攔下一百億我想這部分真的要非常感謝我們銀行的第一線當然我應該指證說我們有優化我們的方法讓客戶感覺到更好的方式我覺得我們會來努力主委重點是獎勵的方式那當然我們會來研究獎勵的方式\n714862\t724372\t這個是最重要的 其實我們都有 重賞之下必有這個很多投入 更積極投入的行業謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝張委員的質詢下一位請李燕秀委員質詢 請\n","txt":"主委早安我想今天針對的金管會金管會的業務就是有兩項那個事情跟你做一下討論一個是租賃公司一個就是打造我想租賃公司這個中租\n中租抵合在國內的連帶案其實我們如果從2022年那就是到2025年我們初估啦現在初估看得到的是556億那我們知道就是說兆豐借給他非常多借給他223億\n那我們甚至還看到了就是說在這個二月份的時候他跟那個第一金控又有一個65億的一個年代主委你清不清楚就是國內的這個銀行對租賃跟融資公司的一個授信的一個餘額大概有多少錢我們有做這樣一個統計可不可以請我們莊副局長來跟文做簡單說明\n包委員我們金融機構授信給融資公司全部約4000多億主要是授信就是放款加保證這個從多久到現在呢這個是最新的數字應該是今年一二月的數字\n所以我在這裡跟那個主委特別提到了一點當然我知道就是說你一直認為就是說\n中租的一個租賃的不要說一定是中租啦就是租賃的這個產業其實它真正的這些就是受款的、受信的這一些款項其實在你金管會的一個管理裡頭它其實是不多啦\n不管說他10兆還是多少錢可是我們實在應該要正視就是租賃業他就是監管套利的一個問題這個其實我們都看到了一個非常嚴重的一個問題我們擔心他這個把從銀行借的錢然後那個進到那個\n那他的一個先買後戶這個也造成社會很大的一個問題那如果我再給主委看到一個這個數字我想這個會讓大家嚇一大跳中租是金融業的繳稅大王\n他今年是所有金融業裡頭排序第六名他繳了101億他比富邦金控的第十名富邦金控他的第十名繳了94億你看他繳了這麼多的稅可見還有一些是檯面下的檯面上他都必須要繳這麼多了\n這個其實是一個很大的一個問題所以有沒有機會從銀行業者有一個嚴格的一個管制方式就是說你可以從這裡頭就是說最基本的就是揭露各個各項財務的一個資訊像是說換款疑惡的一個統計還有換款的一個品質還有不良債權這一段你可以不可以管就是說比照金融機構公開的一個財務的一個資訊這個我覺得你是可以要求的\n剛剛委員報告就是說第一個中租不是金融機構我先特別提醒一下就是說這部分因為我們現在還不是我們所想即便未來我們要針對他的對自然人的消費類似消費金融的業務我們才會納管只有這部分是沒有剛剛委員有提到就是說對於這個所謂的影子銀行的問題就是說他今天如果說借然後去這個我們現在已經也\n也進行納管我想委員會有注意到我們去年12月13號我們又訂了一個頒個函針對銀行跟融資租賃公司我們有四項措施嘛請問有個就會納入到央行的信用管制裡面說他真的是在做跟房地產有關的部分\n對這部分再來就是說因為中租這家公司應該是我們的上市公司上市公司有他一定資訊揭露的這些的規定這部分我們會請齊局來研究一下這部分的話要怎麼揭露是不是有什麼地方是有什麼可以再來強化就按照我們上市貴公司的方式來處理這樣\n所以主委其實不管是本席還是郭公文委員還是那個王世堅委員其實我們都一直就是就有不同的一個執行方式還是文字上的一個就是公文的一個來訪我們希望就是說你要強力的去約束他有沒有機會就是說甚至他簽據這個關切的那個切結書這個其實你都有回應我們那當然就是說大家其實也是一直\n積極的投入一些比較合法公平的一個方式來監督這個主任公司我們都擔心他的年代的一個金流是不是有機會就是穿透式的一個管理因為我覺得如果就是說雖然他是經濟部的可是你這邊其實也有一些霹靂的手法\n我不知道主委你怎麼看這些事這點是我們現在正在做的方式剛剛提到因為我們如果是任何跟銀行金融機構貸款的部分貸後管理的部分我們會來做一些強化就像我剛剛跟委員報告我們對銀行有信用管制\n當然如果他透過某個管道繞過一樣做這件事情我們還是要納入這個再來他如果跟銀行講說這個貸款是要做什麼結果不做這個事情的話那銀行就要開始採取他的作為這我們會來好好的要求銀行主委你會不會用租賃專法透過金保法來規範\n會不會?我們現在已經在按照我們的時程應該我們這部的正式納管應該是在我們的法規如果預告到6月30號結束然後施行以後給予幾個月的那個緩衝期我們就會開始\n可是你現在的進度就是在1月份的時候你金管會你就是有一個這樣的一個公告出來了那到現在3月份的時候你又那個是不是就是這個進度有一點慢啊\n這個跟委員報告倒沒有慢我們的速度非常快因為這本來就一個法制作業就一定要這樣實成還有就是說融資租賃公司他們本身要調整他的作業因為他本質上過去沒有納管很多的方式他必須要重做而且我們在執法裡面會新加入很多新的規定\n請他們來遵守我想我們一再的關心就是不希望就是說在央行執行這個信用管制的時候我們在打壓這個炒房的情況之下還有很多的一個其他的一個那個資金的一個漏洞可以流入到房市在請求儘管會在一個業內提供以下的一個書面報告這個不管是那個國營對那個租賃那個融資業\n要跟主委來溝通這個打炸這個打炸其實是我們國內非常\n那個嚴肅的一個議題也是非常嚴重的一個議題就是光是昨天一天有612件昨天剛好是最多的那這個金額那個達到3億那我們有看到就是說從2024年的8月這個是最高峰138億可是我沒有看到你們打詐的一個成果從到那個就是2025年的那個2月那已經掉到61億\n那我們國內的銀行 國內的銀行怎麼樣協助就是說打仗是不是有一個比較好的方式呢其實各位委員報告我們的銀行金融機構真的是盡全力在做這件事情我們也是對它做要求像各位委員報告最近我們訂了一個叫責任地圖這實際上是一個非常非常重要的措施因為我們要求每家銀行它自己要有打仗主管我們每個月監控他們兩個指標\n這個指標就是他的警示帳戶的這些指標如果做不好的話我們就一家一家盯我想這些事情除了這個以外還有就是我們也成立了那個金融科技聯盟專門針對這個東西進行所謂的科技打炸還有我們還有其實我們做非常非常多事情只是說很多事情我們不方便對外揭露我們希望能夠有效的控制住他利用這個帳戶做不法的\n其實我們知道我們知道就是說在那個國企的一個銀行裡頭就是說開戶的那個KYC其實也做到非常嚴格甚至我們在網路上我們有拉到了一個非常有趣的一個銀行那個銀行之言裡頭他講的就是說他每天的一個那個工作的一個日記報告我放一下這個實在是我們看得出來銀行銀行之言的一個無奈\n大聲一點喔為什麼舉高不下逐年成長我沒事找事做嗎我吃飽太閒嗎回答我整天被人靠杯你回答我我你們這些說不會被騙的人回答我Look at my eyesTell me whyWhy baby why被詐騙也靠杯認真防詐也不爽我是不是按照流程關懷客戶你以為會喜歡是不是啊\n蓋到行員身上來了那我再問你投資群組保證獲利天底下有這麼好康的是嗎給你先嚐嚐當今就是我們很多銀行的職員的一個無奈就是問太多了就被講說就被客戶講說多管閒事不問的話又是戶心人事所以我想就是說希望就是銀行在這個\n這個阻攔那個詐騙的過程裡頭可以更靈活因為事實上就是說平衡安全的一個考量跟隱私的一個尊重那我們希望就是金管會嚴厲提供銀行這個櫃員相關的SOP的一個演練的一個培訓當然就是說像主委你講你們做了出了很大的一個力氣可是事實上可以講不可以講的我們都知道你們在努力那我們也希望就是說可以把一些手法更精進\n那研擬更好的一個獎勵方式獎勵方式非常的重要我覺得這個蘿蔔跟棍子一起酸管齊下的時候應該可以看到一個很好的成效我們有看到這個儀表板一直都在下來啦一直都在下來啦所以在這邊要謝謝委員給我這個機會我在這邊也趁這個機會跟所有我們第一線\n進行關懷客戶的行員們真的非常的感謝我也會要求我們金融機構要全力對他們支持剛剛那行員的短片我覺得是很多行員的心聲因為他們正常是在做金融業務的服務但是主詐成為他們日常非常重要的一個工作那我也希望社會給他們多多的支持跟體諒因為我們去年呢我們主詐就是單單就是100億了\n就是單單攔下一百億我想這部分真的要非常感謝我們銀行的第一線當然我應該指證說我們有優化我們的方法讓客戶感覺到更好的方式我覺得我們會來努力主委重點是獎勵的方式那當然我們會來研究獎勵的方式\n這個是最重要的 其實我們都有 重賞之下必有這個很多投入 更積極投入的行業謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝張委員的質詢下一位請李燕秀委員質詢 請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.411 --> 00:15.143\n主委早安我想今天針對的金管會金管會的業務就是有兩項那個事情跟你做一下討論一個是租賃公司一個就是打造我想租賃公司這個中租\n\n00:15.883 --> 00:31.133\n中租抵合在國內的連帶案其實我們如果從2022年那就是到2025年我們初估啦現在初估看得到的是556億那我們知道就是說兆豐借給他非常多借給他223億\n\n00:34.335 --> 00:58.571\n那我們甚至還看到了就是說在這個二月份的時候他跟那個第一金控又有一個65億的一個年代主委你清不清楚就是國內的這個銀行對租賃跟融資公司的一個授信的一個餘額大概有多少錢我們有做這樣一個統計可不可以請我們莊副局長來跟文做簡單說明\n\n01:00.851 --> 01:17.277\n包委員我們金融機構授信給融資公司全部約4000多億主要是授信就是放款加保證這個從多久到現在呢這個是最新的數字應該是今年一二月的數字\n\n01:18.177 --> 01:22.801\n所以我在這裡跟那個主委特別提到了一點當然我知道就是說你一直認為就是說\n\n01:41.377 --> 01:57.451\n中租的一個租賃的不要說一定是中租啦就是租賃的這個產業其實它真正的這些就是受款的、受信的這一些款項其實在你金管會的一個管理裡頭它其實是不多啦\n\n01:57.671 --> 02:16.644\n不管說他10兆還是多少錢可是我們實在應該要正視就是租賃業他就是監管套利的一個問題這個其實我們都看到了一個非常嚴重的一個問題我們擔心他這個把從銀行借的錢然後那個進到那個\n\n02:18.946 --> 02:34.597\n那他的一個先買後戶這個也造成社會很大的一個問題那如果我再給主委看到一個這個數字我想這個會讓大家嚇一大跳中租是金融業的繳稅大王\n\n02:36.218 --> 02:55.405\n他今年是所有金融業裡頭排序第六名他繳了101億他比富邦金控的第十名富邦金控他的第十名繳了94億你看他繳了這麼多的稅可見還有一些是檯面下的檯面上他都必須要繳這麼多了\n\n02:57.126 --> 03:26.486\n這個其實是一個很大的一個問題所以有沒有機會從銀行業者有一個嚴格的一個管制方式就是說你可以從這裡頭就是說最基本的就是揭露各個各項財務的一個資訊像是說換款疑惡的一個統計還有換款的一個品質還有不良債權這一段你可以不可以管就是說比照金融機構公開的一個財務的一個資訊這個我覺得你是可以要求的\n\n03:27.386 --> 03:53.454\n剛剛委員報告就是說第一個中租不是金融機構我先特別提醒一下就是說這部分因為我們現在還不是我們所想即便未來我們要針對他的對自然人的消費類似消費金融的業務我們才會納管只有這部分是沒有剛剛委員有提到就是說對於這個所謂的影子銀行的問題就是說他今天如果說借然後去這個我們現在已經也\n\n03:54.554 --> 04:09.950\n也進行納管我想委員會有注意到我們去年12月13號我們又訂了一個頒個函針對銀行跟融資租賃公司我們有四項措施嘛請問有個就會納入到央行的信用管制裡面說他真的是在做跟房地產有關的部分\n\n04:11.492 --> 04:29.150\n對這部分再來就是說因為中租這家公司應該是我們的上市公司上市公司有他一定資訊揭露的這些的規定這部分我們會請齊局來研究一下這部分的話要怎麼揭露是不是有什麼地方是有什麼可以再來強化就按照我們上市貴公司的方式來處理這樣\n\n04:30.051 --> 04:59.651\n所以主委其實不管是本席還是郭公文委員還是那個王世堅委員其實我們都一直就是就有不同的一個執行方式還是文字上的一個就是公文的一個來訪我們希望就是說你要強力的去約束他有沒有機會就是說甚至他簽據這個關切的那個切結書這個其實你都有回應我們那當然就是說大家其實也是一直\n\n05:00.812 --> 05:21.710\n積極的投入一些比較合法公平的一個方式來監督這個主任公司我們都擔心他的年代的一個金流是不是有機會就是穿透式的一個管理因為我覺得如果就是說雖然他是經濟部的可是你這邊其實也有一些霹靂的手法\n\n05:23.191 --> 05:40.122\n我不知道主委你怎麼看這些事這點是我們現在正在做的方式剛剛提到因為我們如果是任何跟銀行金融機構貸款的部分貸後管理的部分我們會來做一些強化就像我剛剛跟委員報告我們對銀行有信用管制\n\n05:41.202 --> 06:00.075\n當然如果他透過某個管道繞過一樣做這件事情我們還是要納入這個再來他如果跟銀行講說這個貸款是要做什麼結果不做這個事情的話那銀行就要開始採取他的作為這我們會來好好的要求銀行主委你會不會用租賃專法透過金保法來規範\n\n06:01.856 --> 06:16.927\n會不會?我們現在已經在按照我們的時程應該我們這部的正式納管應該是在我們的法規如果預告到6月30號結束然後施行以後給予幾個月的那個緩衝期我們就會開始\n\n06:18.348 --> 06:33.048\n可是你現在的進度就是在1月份的時候你金管會你就是有一個這樣的一個公告出來了那到現在3月份的時候你又那個是不是就是這個進度有一點慢啊\n\n06:34.449 --> 06:50.457\n這個跟委員報告倒沒有慢我們的速度非常快因為這本來就一個法制作業就一定要這樣實成還有就是說融資租賃公司他們本身要調整他的作業因為他本質上過去沒有納管很多的方式他必須要重做而且我們在執法裡面會新加入很多新的規定\n\n06:51.497 --> 07:14.644\n請他們來遵守我想我們一再的關心就是不希望就是說在央行執行這個信用管制的時候我們在打壓這個炒房的情況之下還有很多的一個其他的一個那個資金的一個漏洞可以流入到房市在請求儘管會在一個業內提供以下的一個書面報告這個不管是那個國營對那個租賃那個融資業\n\n07:16.345 --> 07:18.647\n要跟主委來溝通這個打炸這個打炸其實是我們國內非常\n\n07:33.780 --> 08:02.139\n那個嚴肅的一個議題也是非常嚴重的一個議題就是光是昨天一天有612件昨天剛好是最多的那這個金額那個達到3億那我們有看到就是說從2024年的8月這個是最高峰138億可是我沒有看到你們打詐的一個成果從到那個就是2025年的那個2月那已經掉到61億\n\n08:03.780 --> 08:30.161\n那我們國內的銀行國內的銀行怎麼樣協助就是說打仗是不是有一個比較好的方式呢其實各位委員報告我們的銀行金融機構真的是盡全力在做這件事情我們也是對它做要求像各位委員報告最近我們訂了一個叫責任地圖這實際上是一個非常非常重要的措施因為我們要求每家銀行它自己要有打仗主管我們每個月監控他們兩個指標\n\n08:31.702 --> 08:54.112\n這個指標就是他的警示帳戶的這些指標如果做不好的話我們就一家一家盯我想這些事情除了這個以外還有就是我們也成立了那個金融科技聯盟專門針對這個東西進行所謂的科技打炸還有我們還有其實我們做非常非常多事情只是說很多事情我們不方便對外揭露我們希望能夠有效的控制住他利用這個帳戶做不法的\n\n08:54.632 --> 09:23.291\n其實我們知道我們知道就是說在那個國企的一個銀行裡頭就是說開戶的那個KYC其實也做到非常嚴格甚至我們在網路上我們有拉到了一個非常有趣的一個銀行那個銀行之言裡頭他講的就是說他每天的一個那個工作的一個日記報告我放一下這個實在是我們看得出來銀行銀行之言的一個無奈\n\n09:25.267 --> 09:54.580\n大聲一點喔為什麼舉高不下逐年成長我沒事找事做嗎我吃飽太閒嗎回答我整天被人靠杯你回答我我你們這些說不會被騙的人回答我LookatmyeyesTellmewhyWhybabywhy被詐騙也靠杯認真防詐也不爽我是不是按照流程關懷客戶你以為會喜歡是不是啊\n\n09:56.520 --> 10:19.990\n蓋到行員身上來了那我再問你投資群組保證獲利天底下有這麼好康的是嗎給你先嚐嚐當今就是我們很多銀行的職員的一個無奈就是問太多了就被講說就被客戶講說多管閒事不問的話又是戶心人事所以我想就是說希望就是銀行在這個\n\n10:21.310 --> 10:49.286\n這個阻攔那個詐騙的過程裡頭可以更靈活因為事實上就是說平衡安全的一個考量跟隱私的一個尊重那我們希望就是金管會嚴厲提供銀行這個櫃員相關的SOP的一個演練的一個培訓當然就是說像主委你講你們做了出了很大的一個力氣可是事實上可以講不可以講的我們都知道你們在努力那我們也希望就是說可以把一些手法更精進\n\n10:50.407 --> 11:08.025\n那研擬更好的一個獎勵方式獎勵方式非常的重要我覺得這個蘿蔔跟棍子一起酸管齊下的時候應該可以看到一個很好的成效我們有看到這個儀表板一直都在下來啦一直都在下來啦所以在這邊要謝謝委員給我這個機會我在這邊也趁這個機會跟所有我們第一線\n\n11:13.770 --> 11:35.751\n進行關懷客戶的行員們真的非常的感謝我也會要求我們金融機構要全力對他們支持剛剛那行員的短片我覺得是很多行員的心聲因為他們正常是在做金融業務的服務但是主詐成為他們日常非常重要的一個工作那我也希望社會給他們多多的支持跟體諒因為我們去年呢我們主詐就是單單就是100億了\n\n11:37.632 --> 11:53.601\n就是單單攔下一百億我想這部分真的要非常感謝我們銀行的第一線當然我應該指證說我們有優化我們的方法讓客戶感覺到更好的方式我覺得我們會來努力主委重點是獎勵的方式那當然我們會來研究獎勵的方式\n\n11:54.862 --> 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