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00:02:21,264\n就對整個案件的偵查他有一個協力他有來幫忙這也是我們這個整個獎金發放的一個制度可是問題是你如果弄到最後跟法律的明文的規定起訴起訴了以後就四分之一你起訴的案件這麼多可是呢你真正你給的案件才又不到四分之一\n\n8\n00:02:22,958 --> 00:02:35,777\n會不會有這個問題因為不是每個案子都有人檢舉不是所有的案子都所以不能用起訴的量來看合法獎金的量我現在就是有人檢舉我不知道跟你說我檢舉完之後\n\n9\n00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:55,048\n這個部分我們因為是層級就是從地檢署開始層級往上層爆那我們也都盡量來簡化它的流程我們也會要求各省級增加那個審核人力我們會要求審核的效率要提高那當然啦\n\n10\n00:02:55,928 --> 00:03:21,670\n我們還是有原則我的意思是說人民願意冒這樣的一個風險去做一個對於這個不法來做一個檢舉尤其是選舉的一個案件我們政府理當給予他是按照法律的規定給他回饋這也合理啦這也合理啦那另外呢我又來就教了就是說這個部分可能就要請司法院司法院那個法務請回\n\n11\n00:03:24,689 --> 00:03:38,939\n針對這個鑑定制度我要來請教副秘書長就是說我們整個刑務訴訟法的鑑定制度修法就是說2017年的司法改革國是會議對於鑑定因為鑑定對判決影響非常大甚至\n\n12\n00:03:40,060 --> 00:04:00,608\n也在講說這個鑑定人等於是穿白袍的一個法官法官你不可能所有的專業知識全部都知道我們就必須要委託去做一個鑑定所以鑑定人在司法審判中他確實有很大的一個影響力可是呢新制啊我看我們新制通過以後啊他就變成鑑定人的資格也更明確了那也\n\n13\n00:04:01,528 --> 00:04:23,922\n具有實務的一個經驗那當事人也可以去選任鑑定人那提升那個對等性鑑定人的具名並揭露利益關係鑑定人可接受交誤結問促進公平的一個審理這個都新制的一個重點但問題來了問題就我們現在整個醫療的一個鑑定陷入了一個僵局就制度卡關\n\n14\n00:04:25,323 --> 00:04:51,060\n為什麼會這樣子我相信副秘書長或者這個次長這邊也很清楚你醫師要去據名跟接受結問這個壓力真的是太大你整個鑑定的報告變成工坊的一個焦點如果說以各位是醫生的話你可以體會得到公親告別要變署住啦那我們現在全國的法官跟檢察官我們去送請的案件以後三百件\n\n15\n00:04:51,940 --> 00:05:05,095\n全部都被退件所以我要就較我們司法院這個地方今年在2月跟3月還有去年的11月你們召開了這樣的一個諮詢會議你們到底有沒有具體的改善措施\n\n16\n00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:34,161\n謝謝委員那個垂詢因為就是如同委員所剛所講的就是說他新的刑事訴訟法那個規定事實上是有他要追求的那個目的那在那個執行的時候呢現在目前就是最主要的是那個一審會這個部分就是認為說那個就是要具名這個部分就是有很大的一些那個阻力\n\n17\n00:05:34,801 --> 00:06:04,001\n那所以就是目前我們那個司法院有提出那個兩個那個措施一個呢是就是說在他們在接受這一個機關鑑定的時候這個具名呢是可以用隱匿的就是用那個隱匿封那個封間的那個方式迷封迷封對用迷封那還有一個就是說他們如果那個到庭來的時候呢事實上也可以就是說用遠距詢問然後不揭露他們的那個姓名的這種那個方式\n\n18\n00:06:04,861 --> 00:06:20,367\n或者是甚至於用辨因或是指認是這些那個方式我要問的就是說副院長你認為這樣的一個改進措施真的就有辦法達到目的嗎人之常情如果你是醫生你也不愛啦\n\n19\n00:06:21,363 --> 00:06:38,472\n你看要不要買醫界這個圈子就這麼小啦我要去劇名那有時候稍微不慎就會影響到這個他自己醫生的一個聲望那傳得很快啊這個圈子本來就是小啊你看根據這個我看這個醫事人員的一個這個他們整個一個調查裡面啊10%的人10%的人今天要出庭有這個醫院只有10%那你鑑定報你的鑑定報怎麼太多了出庭禮物我們現在多少都沒改還是500塊\n\n20\n00:06:52,229 --> 00:07:13,056\n這個部分我們現在有那個研議其實一線型的司法院裡有一些那個辦法呢事實上也可以用就比較高的一個專家諮詢五千到那個一萬那我們現在也在跟現在我們也在跟那個各法院那個那個就是那個不答這一些那個事情啊那以前就是說\n\n21\n00:07:14,623 --> 00:07:36,610\n醫事鑑定這個部分呢它是整個那個收費裡面包括的兩個費用一個是實施鑑定還有一個是那個出庭那我們現在也去宣達說出庭的這個部分呢就先不要收然後到庭的時候呢我們把它提高它的費用直接給就是到庭的那個醫生用這種方式林醫長你可不可以大膽預測一下你覺得這個措施出來以後能改善多少\n\n22\n00:07:37,694 --> 00:07:59,891\n我們現在正在跟他們對話,所以說3月19號的那個諮詢會裡面,那時候有做一些溝通,那有一些那個醫院他們事實上是願意的,對。這個問題我是非常擔憂,真的是非常擔憂,這個法律人法律人的思考,醫生也有醫生的思考,來本人不愛人。\n\n23\n00:08:01,564 --> 00:08:22,587\n好人要賣大家在說會嫌棄去跟他好心去到時候站在那邊被檢察官解問一下被律師解問一下法官又問一下弄得不好的話他的整個圈子就是太小這個還是要不斷的精進啦因為確實要去解決問題啦那另外啊我最主要還是要對於這整個\n\n24\n00:08:23,328 --> 00:08:47,467\n那個精神障礙的犯罪嫌疑人這個部分這個強制處分的部分雖然短短的時間但是也要來糾叫幾個問題我們現在鑑定流置的天數最長達兩個月那實務上到底是不是這麼長這個很大的一個疑問那你現行制度你只可以裁定去縮短卻沒有辦法去裁定撤銷那變成鑑定流置就形成一種\n\n25\n00:08:48,187 --> 00:09:14,599\n羈押啦會形成一種羈押那另外呢就是說我們提到的暫行安置啊是在補充羈押的一個不足那避免精神障礙的被告對社會造成的一個風險可是如果你去把它做比較啊你說偵查階段四個月一審十五個月二審十五個月三審五個月可是你暫行安置每次六個月捏最長你達到五年捏那你鑑定留置的天數又沒有辦法折抵啊你可能會導致嫌疑人可能被關押更久\n\n26\n00:09:15,259 --> 00:09:38,719\n那當然制度的設計就是說防範整個這個被告或者犯罪嫌疑人對這個社會產生的一個衝擊的一個風險可以體會知道這個可是問題如果你稍微你看很多個案你會發現這個對被告來講或者犯罪嫌疑人來講的話會不會對他們人權上也是一種剝奪請教\n\n27\n00:09:41,567 --> 00:09:43,152\n副秘書長你來談這個應該是最有辦法談的\n\n28\n00:09:47,213 --> 00:10:14,113\n因為那個戰刑安置因為它的那個性質上是屬於保安處分當然它屬於保安處分可是那個是一個補充性是是尤其是戰刑安置的部分你的前端跟後端我還其實這個因為時間的問題不能繼續要問下去我們這個司法精神醫院的部分你們建制什麼時候完成還有很多成效的問題這個都是整套啦但是我今天特別提出來就是說\n\n29\n00:10:15,253 --> 00:10:20,872\n真的是有一些個案聽起來也都很沒有道理啦很沒有道理這個\n\n30\n00:10:22,748 --> 00:10:50,256\n真正的刑期沒有那麼長只因為這個前面我們為了整個防範的社會風險又沒有人敢說他不對可是這個制度的一個設計對人身自由的一個剝奪這個都實質上都已經造成重大的一個衝擊應該必須要再去好好的去做研議看怎麼樣來思考更好的一個制度否則兩個之間你說叫我們怎麼取捨立法院這個地方沒有人敢跟你講說不要這樣做\n\n31\n00:10:53,735 --> 00:11:01,099\n社會大眾會罵可是你用個案來看的話你去把它檢視個案我就發現有些個案確實是有很多不合理的地方好不好好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t6250\t各位有請我們法務部 麻煩法務部給他上 次長啊對 區次長\n10845\t13166\t委員長市長有幾個問題來請教我以我們2022年九候一選舉為例就我們法務部受理了6858件的一個賄選案成功的起訴的是1353件\n31495\t54173\t還起訴的102件但是呢這個就怪了我們這個檢舉的時候都有檢舉獎金嘛那我們所訂的一個規矩裡面是你只要檢察官提起公訴以後你就合法獎金四分之一嘛那經過一審二審有罪判決以後再給四分之一那最終有罪判決確定以後再發放剩餘的獎金那我要問的就是說\n56243\t61130\t這個整個獎金的發放你們到底有沒有去關注是不是太過落後了\n62511\t90539\t跟委員報告因為選舉獎金必須要非常審慎的查核因為有時候會發生說說檢舉的時候同時有人檢舉那我們又要判斷先後哪一個人對於偵查案件是有實質幫助報告委員這個沒有審查好的話將來我們就會承擔很大的所以問題就是我們的規定是把它規定說起訴了以後你要罰四分之一我懂你的意思我怕你\n91099\t96580\t擔心說 哎喲 鬧雙胞啊那裡會減肌啊那裡會減肌啊但是你也哭得太多了吧你這個成功起訴你就跟這個還起訴的部分你就將近了一千三百將近一千四百件欸可是你核發的獎金才312件欸我的意思就是說這個要特別謹慎啦謹慎說到底是哪一些人因為有因跟有果嘛因為這個檢舉人他所檢舉而導致這個案子來做一個破案\n120225\t141264\t就對整個案件的偵查他有一個協力 他有來幫忙這也是我們這個整個獎金發放的一個制度可是問題是你如果弄到最後跟法律的明文的規定起訴起訴了以後就四分之一你起訴的案件這麼多可是呢你真正你給的案件才又不到四分之一\n142958\t155777\t會不會有這個問題因為不是每個案子都有人檢舉不是所有的案子都所以不能用起訴的量來看合法獎金的量我現在就是有人檢舉我不知道跟你說我檢舉完之後\n158440\t175048\t這個部分我們因為是層級就是從地檢署開始層級往上層爆那我們也都盡量來簡化它的流程我們也會要求各省級增加那個審核人力我們會要求審核的效率要提高那當然啦\n175928\t201670\t我們還是有原則 我的意思是說人民願意冒這樣的一個風險去做一個對於這個不法來做一個檢舉 尤其是選舉的一個案件我們政府理當給予他是按照法律的規定給他回饋 這也合理啦這也合理啦那另外呢 我又來就教了就是說這個部分可能就要請司法院司法院那個法務請回\n204689\t218939\t針對這個鑑定制度我要來請教副秘書長就是說我們整個刑務訴訟法的鑑定制度修法就是說2017年的司法改革國是會議對於鑑定因為鑑定對判決影響非常大甚至\n220060\t240608\t也在講說這個鑑定人等於是穿白袍的一個法官法官你不可能所有的專業知識全部都知道我們就必須要委託去做一個鑑定所以鑑定人在司法審判中他確實有很大的一個影響力可是呢新制啊我看我們新制通過以後啊他就變成鑑定人的資格也更明確了那也\n241528\t263922\t具有實務的一個經驗那當事人也可以去選任鑑定人那提升那個對等性鑑定人的具名並揭露利益關係鑑定人可接受交誤結問促進公平的一個審理這個都新制的一個重點但問題來了問題就我們現在整個醫療的一個鑑定陷入了一個僵局就制度卡關\n265323\t291060\t為什麼會這樣子 我相信副秘書長或者這個次長這邊也很清楚你醫師要去據名跟接受結問這個壓力真的是太大你整個鑑定的報告變成工坊的一個焦點如果說以各位是醫生的話 你可以體會得到公親告別要變署住啦那我們現在全國的法官跟檢察官我們去送請的案件以後 三百件\n291940\t305095\t全部都被退件所以我要就較我們司法院這個地方今年在2月跟3月還有去年的11月你們召開了這樣的一個諮詢會議你們到底有沒有具體的改善措施\n308433\t334161\t謝謝委員那個垂詢因為就是如同委員所剛所講的就是說他新的刑事訴訟法那個規定事實上是有他要追求的那個目的那在那個執行的時候呢現在目前就是最主要的是那個一審會這個部分就是認為說那個就是要具名這個部分就是有很大的一些那個阻力\n334801\t364001\t那所以就是目前我們那個司法院有提出那個兩個那個措施一個呢是就是說在他們在接受這一個機關鑑定的時候這個具名呢是可以用隱匿的就是用那個隱匿封那個封間的那個方式迷封迷封對用迷封那還有一個就是說他們如果那個到庭來的時候呢事實上也可以就是說用遠距詢問然後不揭露他們的那個姓名的這種那個方式\n364861\t380367\t或者是甚至於用辨因或是指認是這些那個方式我要問的就是說副院長你認為這樣的一個改進措施真的就有辦法達到目的嗎人之常情如果你是醫生你也不愛啦\n381363\t398472\t你看要不要買醫界這個圈子就這麼小啦我要去劇名那有時候稍微不慎就會影響到這個他自己醫生的一個聲望那傳得很快啊這個圈子本來就是小啊你看根據這個我看這個醫事人員的一個這個他們整個一個調查裡面啊10%的人10%的人今天要出庭有這個醫院只有10%那你鑑定報你的鑑定報怎麼太多了出庭禮物我們現在多少都沒改還是500塊\n412229\t433056\t這個部分我們現在有那個研議其實一線型的司法院裡有一些那個辦法呢事實上也可以用就比較高的一個專家諮詢五千到那個一萬那我們現在也在跟現在我們也在跟那個各法院那個那個就是那個不答這一些那個事情啊那以前就是說\n434623\t456610\t醫事鑑定這個部分呢 它是整個那個收費裡面包括的兩個費用 一個是實施鑑定 還有一個是那個出庭那我們現在也去宣達說出庭的這個部分呢 就先不要收 然後到庭的時候呢我們把它提高它的費用 直接給就是到庭的那個醫生 用這種方式林醫長你可不可以大膽預測一下你覺得這個措施出來以後能改善多少\n457694\t479891\t我們現在正在跟他們對話,所以說3月19號的那個諮詢會裡面,那時候有做一些溝通,那有一些那個醫院他們事實上是願意的,對。這個問題我是非常擔憂,真的是非常擔憂,這個法律人法律人的思考,醫生也有醫生的思考,來本人不愛人。\n481564\t502587\t好人要賣 大家在說會嫌棄去跟他好心去 到時候站在那邊被檢察官解問一下被律師解問一下 法官又問一下弄得不好的話 他的整個圈子就是太小這個還是要不斷的精進啦 因為確實要去解決問題啦那另外啊 我最主要還是要對於這整個\n503328\t527467\t那個精神障礙的犯罪嫌疑人這個部分這個強制處分的部分雖然短短的時間但是也要來糾叫幾個問題我們現在鑑定流置的天數最長達兩個月那實務上到底是不是這麼長這個很大的一個疑問那你現行制度你只可以裁定去縮短卻沒有辦法去裁定撤銷那變成鑑定流置就形成一種\n528187\t554599\t羈押啦 會形成一種羈押那另外呢就是說我們提到的暫行安置啊是在補充羈押的一個不足那避免精神障礙的被告對社會造成的一個風險可是如果你去把它做比較啊你說偵查階段四個月一審十五個月 二審十五個月 三審五個月可是你暫行安置每次六個月捏最長你達到五年捏那你鑑定留置的天數又沒有辦法折抵啊你可能會導致嫌疑人可能被關押更久\n555259\t578719\t那當然制度的設計就是說防範整個這個被告或者犯罪嫌疑人對這個社會產生的一個衝擊的一個風險可以體會知道這個可是問題如果你稍微你看很多個案你會發現這個對被告來講或者犯罪嫌疑人來講的話會不會對他們人權上也是一種剝奪請教\n581567\t583152\t副秘書長你來談這個應該是最有辦法談的\n587213\t614113\t因為那個戰刑安置因為它的那個性質上是屬於保安處分當然它屬於保安處分可是那個是一個補充性是是尤其是戰刑安置的部分你的前端跟後端我還 其實這個因為時間的問題不能繼續要問下去我們這個司法精神醫院的部分你們建制什麼時候完成還有很多成效的問題這個都是整套啦但是我今天特別提出來就是說\n615253\t620872\t真的是有一些個案聽起來也都很沒有道理啦很沒有道理這個\n622748\t650256\t真正的刑期沒有那麼長只因為這個前面我們為了整個防範的社會風險又沒有人敢說他不對可是這個制度的一個設計對人身自由的一個剝奪這個都實質上都已經造成重大的一個衝擊應該必須要再去好好的去做研議看怎麼樣來思考更好的一個制度否則兩個之間你說叫我們怎麼取捨立法院這個地方沒有人敢跟你講說不要這樣做\n653735\t661099\t社會大眾會罵可是你用個案來看的話你去把它檢視個案我就發現有些個案確實是有很多不合理的地方好不好好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"各位有請我們法務部 麻煩法務部給他上 次長啊對 區次長\n委員長市長有幾個問題來請教我以我們2022年九候一選舉為例就我們法務部受理了6858件的一個賄選案成功的起訴的是1353件\n還起訴的102件但是呢這個就怪了我們這個檢舉的時候都有檢舉獎金嘛那我們所訂的一個規矩裡面是你只要檢察官提起公訴以後你就合法獎金四分之一嘛那經過一審二審有罪判決以後再給四分之一那最終有罪判決確定以後再發放剩餘的獎金那我要問的就是說\n這個整個獎金的發放你們到底有沒有去關注是不是太過落後了\n跟委員報告因為選舉獎金必須要非常審慎的查核因為有時候會發生說說檢舉的時候同時有人檢舉那我們又要判斷先後哪一個人對於偵查案件是有實質幫助報告委員這個沒有審查好的話將來我們就會承擔很大的所以問題就是我們的規定是把它規定說起訴了以後你要罰四分之一我懂你的意思我怕你\n擔心說 哎喲 鬧雙胞啊那裡會減肌啊那裡會減肌啊但是你也哭得太多了吧你這個成功起訴你就跟這個還起訴的部分你就將近了一千三百將近一千四百件欸可是你核發的獎金才312件欸我的意思就是說這個要特別謹慎啦謹慎說到底是哪一些人因為有因跟有果嘛因為這個檢舉人他所檢舉而導致這個案子來做一個破案\n就對整個案件的偵查他有一個協力 他有來幫忙這也是我們這個整個獎金發放的一個制度可是問題是你如果弄到最後跟法律的明文的規定起訴起訴了以後就四分之一你起訴的案件這麼多可是呢你真正你給的案件才又不到四分之一\n會不會有這個問題因為不是每個案子都有人檢舉不是所有的案子都所以不能用起訴的量來看合法獎金的量我現在就是有人檢舉我不知道跟你說我檢舉完之後\n這個部分我們因為是層級就是從地檢署開始層級往上層爆那我們也都盡量來簡化它的流程我們也會要求各省級增加那個審核人力我們會要求審核的效率要提高那當然啦\n我們還是有原則 我的意思是說人民願意冒這樣的一個風險去做一個對於這個不法來做一個檢舉 尤其是選舉的一個案件我們政府理當給予他是按照法律的規定給他回饋 這也合理啦這也合理啦那另外呢 我又來就教了就是說這個部分可能就要請司法院司法院那個法務請回\n針對這個鑑定制度我要來請教副秘書長就是說我們整個刑務訴訟法的鑑定制度修法就是說2017年的司法改革國是會議對於鑑定因為鑑定對判決影響非常大甚至\n也在講說這個鑑定人等於是穿白袍的一個法官法官你不可能所有的專業知識全部都知道我們就必須要委託去做一個鑑定所以鑑定人在司法審判中他確實有很大的一個影響力可是呢新制啊我看我們新制通過以後啊他就變成鑑定人的資格也更明確了那也\n具有實務的一個經驗那當事人也可以去選任鑑定人那提升那個對等性鑑定人的具名並揭露利益關係鑑定人可接受交誤結問促進公平的一個審理這個都新制的一個重點但問題來了問題就我們現在整個醫療的一個鑑定陷入了一個僵局就制度卡關\n為什麼會這樣子 我相信副秘書長或者這個次長這邊也很清楚你醫師要去據名跟接受結問這個壓力真的是太大你整個鑑定的報告變成工坊的一個焦點如果說以各位是醫生的話 你可以體會得到公親告別要變署住啦那我們現在全國的法官跟檢察官我們去送請的案件以後 三百件\n全部都被退件所以我要就較我們司法院這個地方今年在2月跟3月還有去年的11月你們召開了這樣的一個諮詢會議你們到底有沒有具體的改善措施\n謝謝委員那個垂詢因為就是如同委員所剛所講的就是說他新的刑事訴訟法那個規定事實上是有他要追求的那個目的那在那個執行的時候呢現在目前就是最主要的是那個一審會這個部分就是認為說那個就是要具名這個部分就是有很大的一些那個阻力\n那所以就是目前我們那個司法院有提出那個兩個那個措施一個呢是就是說在他們在接受這一個機關鑑定的時候這個具名呢是可以用隱匿的就是用那個隱匿封那個封間的那個方式迷封迷封對用迷封那還有一個就是說他們如果那個到庭來的時候呢事實上也可以就是說用遠距詢問然後不揭露他們的那個姓名的這種那個方式\n或者是甚至於用辨因或是指認是這些那個方式我要問的就是說副院長你認為這樣的一個改進措施真的就有辦法達到目的嗎人之常情如果你是醫生你也不愛啦\n你看要不要買醫界這個圈子就這麼小啦我要去劇名那有時候稍微不慎就會影響到這個他自己醫生的一個聲望那傳得很快啊這個圈子本來就是小啊你看根據這個我看這個醫事人員的一個這個他們整個一個調查裡面啊10%的人10%的人今天要出庭有這個醫院只有10%那你鑑定報你的鑑定報怎麼太多了出庭禮物我們現在多少都沒改還是500塊\n這個部分我們現在有那個研議其實一線型的司法院裡有一些那個辦法呢事實上也可以用就比較高的一個專家諮詢五千到那個一萬那我們現在也在跟現在我們也在跟那個各法院那個那個就是那個不答這一些那個事情啊那以前就是說\n醫事鑑定這個部分呢 它是整個那個收費裡面包括的兩個費用 一個是實施鑑定 還有一個是那個出庭那我們現在也去宣達說出庭的這個部分呢 就先不要收 然後到庭的時候呢我們把它提高它的費用 直接給就是到庭的那個醫生 用這種方式林醫長你可不可以大膽預測一下你覺得這個措施出來以後能改善多少\n我們現在正在跟他們對話,所以說3月19號的那個諮詢會裡面,那時候有做一些溝通,那有一些那個醫院他們事實上是願意的,對。這個問題我是非常擔憂,真的是非常擔憂,這個法律人法律人的思考,醫生也有醫生的思考,來本人不愛人。\n好人要賣 大家在說會嫌棄去跟他好心去 到時候站在那邊被檢察官解問一下被律師解問一下 法官又問一下弄得不好的話 他的整個圈子就是太小這個還是要不斷的精進啦 因為確實要去解決問題啦那另外啊 我最主要還是要對於這整個\n那個精神障礙的犯罪嫌疑人這個部分這個強制處分的部分雖然短短的時間但是也要來糾叫幾個問題我們現在鑑定流置的天數最長達兩個月那實務上到底是不是這麼長這個很大的一個疑問那你現行制度你只可以裁定去縮短卻沒有辦法去裁定撤銷那變成鑑定流置就形成一種\n羈押啦 會形成一種羈押那另外呢就是說我們提到的暫行安置啊是在補充羈押的一個不足那避免精神障礙的被告對社會造成的一個風險可是如果你去把它做比較啊你說偵查階段四個月一審十五個月 二審十五個月 三審五個月可是你暫行安置每次六個月捏最長你達到五年捏那你鑑定留置的天數又沒有辦法折抵啊你可能會導致嫌疑人可能被關押更久\n那當然制度的設計就是說防範整個這個被告或者犯罪嫌疑人對這個社會產生的一個衝擊的一個風險可以體會知道這個可是問題如果你稍微你看很多個案你會發現這個對被告來講或者犯罪嫌疑人來講的話會不會對他們人權上也是一種剝奪請教\n副秘書長你來談這個應該是最有辦法談的\n因為那個戰刑安置因為它的那個性質上是屬於保安處分當然它屬於保安處分可是那個是一個補充性是是尤其是戰刑安置的部分你的前端跟後端我還 其實這個因為時間的問題不能繼續要問下去我們這個司法精神醫院的部分你們建制什麼時候完成還有很多成效的問題這個都是整套啦但是我今天特別提出來就是說\n真的是有一些個案聽起來也都很沒有道理啦很沒有道理這個\n真正的刑期沒有那麼長只因為這個前面我們為了整個防範的社會風險又沒有人敢說他不對可是這個制度的一個設計對人身自由的一個剝奪這個都實質上都已經造成重大的一個衝擊應該必須要再去好好的去做研議看怎麼樣來思考更好的一個制度否則兩個之間你說叫我們怎麼取捨立法院這個地方沒有人敢跟你講說不要這樣做\n社會大眾會罵可是你用個案來看的話你去把它檢視個案我就發現有些個案確實是有很多不合理的地方好不好好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:06.250\n各位有請我們法務部麻煩法務部給他上次長啊對區次長\n\n00:10.845 --> 00:13.166\n委員長市長有幾個問題來請教我以我們2022年九候一選舉為例就我們法務部受理了6858件的一個賄選案成功的起訴的是1353件\n\n00:31.495 --> 00:54.173\n還起訴的102件但是呢這個就怪了我們這個檢舉的時候都有檢舉獎金嘛那我們所訂的一個規矩裡面是你只要檢察官提起公訴以後你就合法獎金四分之一嘛那經過一審二審有罪判決以後再給四分之一那最終有罪判決確定以後再發放剩餘的獎金那我要問的就是說\n\n00:56.243 --> 01:01.130\n這個整個獎金的發放你們到底有沒有去關注是不是太過落後了\n\n01:02.511 --> 01:30.539\n跟委員報告因為選舉獎金必須要非常審慎的查核因為有時候會發生說說檢舉的時候同時有人檢舉那我們又要判斷先後哪一個人對於偵查案件是有實質幫助報告委員這個沒有審查好的話將來我們就會承擔很大的所以問題就是我們的規定是把它規定說起訴了以後你要罰四分之一我懂你的意思我怕你\n\n01:31.099 --> 01:36.580\n擔心說哎喲鬧雙胞啊那裡會減肌啊那裡會減肌啊但是你也哭得太多了吧你這個成功起訴你就跟這個還起訴的部分你就將近了一千三百將近一千四百件欸可是你核發的獎金才312件欸我的意思就是說這個要特別謹慎啦謹慎說到底是哪一些人因為有因跟有果嘛因為這個檢舉人他所檢舉而導致這個案子來做一個破案\n\n02:00.225 --> 02:21.264\n就對整個案件的偵查他有一個協力他有來幫忙這也是我們這個整個獎金發放的一個制度可是問題是你如果弄到最後跟法律的明文的規定起訴起訴了以後就四分之一你起訴的案件這麼多可是呢你真正你給的案件才又不到四分之一\n\n02:22.958 --> 02:35.777\n會不會有這個問題因為不是每個案子都有人檢舉不是所有的案子都所以不能用起訴的量來看合法獎金的量我現在就是有人檢舉我不知道跟你說我檢舉完之後\n\n02:38.440 --> 02:55.048\n這個部分我們因為是層級就是從地檢署開始層級往上層爆那我們也都盡量來簡化它的流程我們也會要求各省級增加那個審核人力我們會要求審核的效率要提高那當然啦\n\n02:55.928 --> 03:21.670\n我們還是有原則我的意思是說人民願意冒這樣的一個風險去做一個對於這個不法來做一個檢舉尤其是選舉的一個案件我們政府理當給予他是按照法律的規定給他回饋這也合理啦這也合理啦那另外呢我又來就教了就是說這個部分可能就要請司法院司法院那個法務請回\n\n03:24.689 --> 03:38.939\n針對這個鑑定制度我要來請教副秘書長就是說我們整個刑務訴訟法的鑑定制度修法就是說2017年的司法改革國是會議對於鑑定因為鑑定對判決影響非常大甚至\n\n03:40.060 --> 04:00.608\n也在講說這個鑑定人等於是穿白袍的一個法官法官你不可能所有的專業知識全部都知道我們就必須要委託去做一個鑑定所以鑑定人在司法審判中他確實有很大的一個影響力可是呢新制啊我看我們新制通過以後啊他就變成鑑定人的資格也更明確了那也\n\n04:01.528 --> 04:23.922\n具有實務的一個經驗那當事人也可以去選任鑑定人那提升那個對等性鑑定人的具名並揭露利益關係鑑定人可接受交誤結問促進公平的一個審理這個都新制的一個重點但問題來了問題就我們現在整個醫療的一個鑑定陷入了一個僵局就制度卡關\n\n04:25.323 --> 04:51.060\n為什麼會這樣子我相信副秘書長或者這個次長這邊也很清楚你醫師要去據名跟接受結問這個壓力真的是太大你整個鑑定的報告變成工坊的一個焦點如果說以各位是醫生的話你可以體會得到公親告別要變署住啦那我們現在全國的法官跟檢察官我們去送請的案件以後三百件\n\n04:51.940 --> 05:05.095\n全部都被退件所以我要就較我們司法院這個地方今年在2月跟3月還有去年的11月你們召開了這樣的一個諮詢會議你們到底有沒有具體的改善措施\n\n05:08.433 --> 05:34.161\n謝謝委員那個垂詢因為就是如同委員所剛所講的就是說他新的刑事訴訟法那個規定事實上是有他要追求的那個目的那在那個執行的時候呢現在目前就是最主要的是那個一審會這個部分就是認為說那個就是要具名這個部分就是有很大的一些那個阻力\n\n05:34.801 --> 06:04.001\n那所以就是目前我們那個司法院有提出那個兩個那個措施一個呢是就是說在他們在接受這一個機關鑑定的時候這個具名呢是可以用隱匿的就是用那個隱匿封那個封間的那個方式迷封迷封對用迷封那還有一個就是說他們如果那個到庭來的時候呢事實上也可以就是說用遠距詢問然後不揭露他們的那個姓名的這種那個方式\n\n06:04.861 --> 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