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00:01:26,925\n我們現在大概有開過了跟他們工作層次的開過非常多的會議針對執法內容可行性這些部分你都跟他做溝通還有就是我們對他期待要求我都跟他講我想現在應該是沒什麼爭議所以配合度也非常高當然當然對他們講成本增加未來的這個法尊的要求變高他們當然還在適應所以你也會給他們就是譬如說包括系統建置的時間因為你不是所有的業態的業者全部納管先從大的開始\n\n5\n00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:48,101\n先從部分開始所以包括我們後續到底今晚會預定實施的時間會在第三季還是在第四季前面我也有問到我們大概最快我們有三個執法要預告完成以後就可以開始執行就等於說我們預計如果快的話四月初就會預告\n\n6\n00:01:49,417 --> 00:02:05,537\n根據法定預告期間要兩個月的時間所以我們現在預期是6月30號能夠讓他生效生效的時候我們在函定裡面會大概現在規劃是有兩到三個月讓他們作業的緩衝最快在8月底9月初應該就會生效\n\n7\n00:02:06,098 --> 00:02:27,377\n好的我想這個我們希望它變成一個標竿未來其他業態的就是說同樣業態的一些生態大家都可以納進來那另外我想請教主委就是說除了這四家納入金保法之外有幾個問題就是包括我們第二階段會不會是也把國營轉投資公司的子公司也一併納入\n\n8\n00:02:28,018 --> 00:02:53,974\n沒錯第二階段的部分我們在半年後我們大概會就是進行我們既定的第二階段會把我們現在比如說金融機構轉投資的這些14家這個融資租賃相關行業也會就是目標那會有第三階段嗎第三階段的話就是我們針對在租賃公會一定額度的我們現在是這樣規劃因為接下來他們就比較多的不同的這樣的屬性我們會還有第三階段\n\n9\n00:02:54,734 --> 00:03:23,459\n還會有第三階段那主委我想請教你就是說像這些業者過去三家包括三家租賃業者被稱為是鼠橋三兄弟包括媒體跟輿論成為笑柄那業者也非常難過就是說在這整個金寶法溝通的過程當中他們也配合也希望自我要求過去在公共裡面自我要求那現在金管會希望就是說有一些更進一步的管理讓他們成為表率\n\n10\n00:03:24,119 --> 00:03:46,329\n有沒有可能有機會鼓勵他們譬如說我們很多蔬菜有一些認證有機有一些認證我們可不可以把它也稱為是說他們是驚奇四超人因為他配合我們未來一些金寶法的管理讓整個業者的那個生態未來的自律性會更高\n\n11\n00:03:47,129 --> 00:04:07,035\n其實我在這邊當然我們當然是很期待我們的這些有更多的保護機制來保護我們的消費者那其實我們金融消保法是我們對金融業最低的要求那這樣的話他們願意但是這一次是他們非常積極他們也配合你們的管理所以我覺得也應該正面的\n\n12\n00:04:07,735 --> 00:04:30,498\n給他們多一點的鼓勵就是過去他們被外界或被媒體被輿論稱為數條三兄弟但是是很多其實業態有八千多家是不是全部他們都蓋瓜承受那我覺得在這一次他們接受納管而且他們也很積極配合你相關的法規我覺得也應該給予更多正面的鼓勵譬如說\n\n13\n00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:49,008\n從鼠橋三兄弟其實我們應該說他們是驚奇四超人你會不會反對在這一次溝通的過程當中當然我覺得在監理的過程當中本來就是他們要開始進入到常態化的納管他們必須要投入成本\n\n14\n00:04:49,448 --> 00:05:12,761\n但是主委我覺得就是說他配合你納管我就有時候正面多一點鼓勵包括你後面有第二階第三階這才會是一個正面社會更多正面的循環業者也配合政府的管理政府在溝通過程當中也非常的順暢所以我覺得彼此互動過程當中多一點正面我覺得才是社會正向的循環所以我才提到說\n\n15\n00:05:13,841 --> 00:05:40,964\n過去批評人家是數條三兄弟這一次的溝通過程當中我們可以稱他說你們不錯你們是驚奇四超人配合我們其實他總共有12個對我知道啦你後面會有越來越多所以我是提醒你有這樣正面的交流跟互動後面在管理就會越來越正面才會真正把所有不分黨派所有委員質詢的方向大家關注的議題才有機會做更好\n\n16\n00:05:41,544 --> 00:06:04,151\n更多的落實良性的監理互動環境我們是支持的我們接下來也跟委員報告我們在做這個公告的時候會把他們這12家公司一一的列明出來就很清楚的知道對這也是讓民眾也知道說這個是我接受管理的有一個認證標章的那個概念就譬如說我們買蔬菜有認證標章我就會去買\n\n17\n00:06:05,131 --> 00:06:24,505\n所以說我覺得這個是所以我剛才為什麼提到這件事情就是我覺得他們是正面良性的納管我們有一定的監管機制在裡頭讓民眾覺得說他是接受我納管未來更多的業者說不定主動希望來接受你納管我們法務處的同仁也建議就是說未來我們這個公告的時候會把\n\n18\n00:06:26,087 --> 00:06:39,524\n這12家名稱都飆烈起來所以你應該不會反對我說過去人家批評是俗條三兄弟現在接受納管以後有機會變成驚奇的四超人或十二超人我不會幫他們取名字啦但是就是說外界看他們的表現\n\n19\n00:06:40,905 --> 00:06:56,379\n外界看他們表現要取什麼東西我們都其實都不反對謝謝主委不管你取什麼就是我覺得有一個正面的鼓勵我希望是這樣子主委我第二個問題就是說未來就是說納管之後我們金融消費的評議\n\n20\n00:06:58,641 --> 00:07:20,011\n就是件數會增加我要提醒你就是說我們現在金融消費者的評議中心量能到底夠不夠量能是不是要加強因為過去我們沒有在處理一下子納管這麼多所以這個到底要不要加強我想這部分也是我們在做一開始我們就已經開始在準備這些事情了那我想\n\n21\n00:07:20,911 --> 00:07:47,751\n如果有需要我可以請杜董事長來這邊講一下那我們已經注意到這個問題我們也會增加資源整個配套措施我想當然也都完備主委為什麼這樣子提就是說除了量能會增加之外我們當然還是希望如果有這些消費者爭議我們能夠處理得更快才會看到金寶法納管之後整個政府的效率有做調整\n\n22\n00:07:48,351 --> 00:08:08,871\n那外界也有在呼籲說,到底租賃業者要不要訂專法的聲音那主委,你現在的態度跟去年有沒有不同?其實我還是一樣的,就是說我們有問題要先解決,如果等專法的話我想這個專法剛剛也有提到,97年就提出來為什麼這麼久提出這個版本,為什麼大家一直沒辦法訂案,這個問題非常複雜\n\n23\n00:08:10,532 --> 00:08:28,265\n我研究以後發現說很難很快的達到一個共識但是我們先從這來做累積一些監理的經驗我們持續針對融資公司未來管理專法如何我們還是持續研究中如果真的要推動專法的話那租賃業者超過8000家全部都\n\n24\n00:08:28,985 --> 00:08:55,888\n放進來一起納管嗎那當然不可能我覺得未來絕對是應該先定義他的範圍我覺得這很困難就是說其實我剛才也有提到融資公司是我們一般的通稱其實市場上並不是有這麼一個明確的業態界線沒有錯而且他們做的範圍其實都不一致所以這是過去為什麼這麼難三四十年沒辦法做一個定案但我們先用這個方法累積監理的經驗也許可以做為未來專法很重要的依據\n\n25\n00:08:56,328 --> 00:09:20,961\n好謝謝主委你的回應不過主委我還是要提醒就是說目前三大家租賃業者四大家在2024年包括像中古車的交易總經理原來是495億元現在下降43%然後第二季包括乘坐從原來的186億元就是他們去年每一家這三大家業績都下降就是說\n\n26\n00:09:22,242 --> 00:09:39,014\n下降不管無論這是消費者的決定但是租賃業者納入金保法之後業者未來他對於乘坐個金個金不是契金的意願會下降最後反而會使消費者會不會轉向其他八千家沒有納管的來去做借貸\n\n27\n00:09:40,135 --> 00:09:55,726\n反而讓業者消費者承擔更大的風險這個主委你的看法是什麼我是雙軌並進第一個納管以後當然對一些比較做不好的會被淘汰但是我們現在另外一個方向我們也鼓勵\n\n28\n00:09:58,187 --> 00:10:14,679\n我們也會請銀行來研究這一塊他們過去他不做的怎麼樣以普惠金融的角度把它擴大過來我想這部分因為既然租賃公司可以做代表它也是一個市場我覺得假設我們也鼓勵銀行我也請我們同仁\n\n29\n00:10:15,419 --> 00:10:34,399\n朝這個方向來努力讓他雙軌並進好我最後一句話就好了主委那個IFRS17跟TWICS的接軌我們現在已經完成第四階段的協助措施未來你目前的做法目前的協助就是說目前第四階段處理的你滿意嗎有什麼需要加強的\n\n30\n00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:46,645\n未來會不會有第五階段的協助措施或者是甚至不處理不推第五階段會不會有個別的行政手段去做協助讓明明一號上路可以更順利當然這是一個保險業重大的一個轉型iPhone17我剛剛報告過問題比較小\n\n31\n00:10:55,028 --> 00:11:13,553\n這個有關新一代清償能力的部分呢因為我們去年12月3日提了一個第四階段我們亞洲唯一採用你要不要提第五階段會不會我們就是第四階段講完了我們後面很多東西按照表定要把很多的數據公佈出來我們按照這個時程在走\n\n32\n00:11:14,033 --> 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17跟TWICS的接軌我們現在已經完成第四階段的協助措施未來你目前的做法目前的協助就是說目前第四階段處理的你滿意嗎有什麼需要加強的\n635000\t646645\t未來會不會有第五階段的協助措施或者是甚至不處理不推第五階段會不會有個別的行政手段去做協助讓明明一號上路可以更順利當然這是一個保險業重大的一個轉型iPhone 17我剛剛報告過問題比較小\n655028\t673553\t這個有關新一代清償能力的部分呢因為我們去年12月3日提了一個第四階段我們亞洲唯一採用你要不要提第五階段會不會我們就是第四階段講完了我們後面很多東西按照表定要把很多的數據公佈出來我們按照這個時程在走\n674033\t699333\t那當然我剛才講說亞洲唯一採用韓國態勢隨時滾動式調整我覺得我們是要解決問題我們要讓我們的產業順利轉型這是我們最重要的目標謝謝後續會有其他行政手段嗎我們隨時有必要的事情我們都會來做適度的調整謝謝好 謝謝李委員的質詢下面請鍾嘉斌委員質詢報告委員會鍾委員質詢完畢以後我們休息十分鐘\n","txt":"主席\n主委好我想過去這一年在財務會其實很多委員都非常關心融資公司納入金保法的相關的一些規範去年我在同一個位置同一個地方我也跟你溝通過就是包括我們到底融資公司納入金保法你回應我說跟業者正在尋求共識那法規已經準備好了社會有高度期待\n六個月之後可以上路我要請問主委現在跟業者的溝通是不是已經達成了是不是有共識也謝謝委員在過去的居中協調啦那委員我們跟業者的溝通非常順暢我們也開過六七次的技術性的會談應該已經對是不是經過這些溝通協調讓大家彼此也了解未來這整個經保法的修法方向怎麼走是更順利\n我們現在大概有開過了跟他們工作層次的開過非常多的會議針對執法內容可行性這些部分你都跟他做溝通還有就是我們對他期待要求我都跟他講我想現在應該是沒什麼爭議所以配合度也非常高當然當然對他們講成本增加未來的這個法尊的要求變高他們當然還在適應所以你也會給他們就是譬如說包括系統建置的時間因為你不是所有的業態的業者全部納管先從大的開始\n先從部分開始所以包括我們後續到底今晚會預定實施的時間會在第三季還是在第四季前面我也有問到我們大概最快我們有三個執法要預告完成以後就可以開始執行就等於說我們預計如果快的話四月初就會預告\n根據法定預告期間要兩個月的時間所以我們現在預期是6月30號能夠讓他生效生效的時候我們在函定裡面會大概現在規劃是有兩到三個月讓他們作業的緩衝最快在8月底9月初應該就會生效\n好的 我想這個我們希望它變成一個標竿未來其他業態的就是說同樣業態的一些生態大家都可以納進來那另外我想請教主委就是說除了這四家納入金保法之外有幾個問題就是包括我們第二階段會不會是也把國營轉投資公司的子公司也一併納入\n沒錯第二階段的部分我們在半年後我們大概會就是進行我們既定的第二階段會把我們現在比如說金融機構轉投資的這些14家這個融資租賃相關行業也會就是目標那會有第三階段嗎第三階段的話就是我們針對在租賃公會一定額度的我們現在是這樣規劃因為接下來他們就比較多的不同的這樣的屬性我們會還有第三階段\n還會有第三階段那主委我想請教你就是說像這些業者過去三家包括三家租賃業者被稱為是鼠橋三兄弟包括媒體跟輿論成為笑柄那業者也非常難過就是說在這整個金寶法溝通的過程當中他們也配合也希望自我要求過去在公共裡面自我要求那現在金管會希望就是說有一些更進一步的管理讓他們成為表率\n有沒有可能有機會鼓勵他們譬如說我們很多蔬菜有一些認證有機有一些認證我們可不可以把它也稱為是說他們是驚奇四超人因為他配合我們未來一些金寶法的管理讓整個業者的那個生態未來的自律性會更高\n其實我在這邊當然我們當然是很期待我們的這些有更多的保護機制來保護我們的消費者那其實我們金融消保法是我們對金融業最低的要求那這樣的話他們願意但是這一次是他們非常積極他們也配合你們的管理所以我覺得也應該正面的\n給他們多一點的鼓勵就是過去他們被外界或被媒體被輿論稱為數條三兄弟但是是很多其實業態有八千多家是不是全部他們都蓋瓜承受那我覺得在這一次他們接受納管而且他們也很積極配合你相關的法規我覺得也應該給予更多正面的鼓勵譬如說\n從鼠橋三兄弟其實我們應該說他們是驚奇四超人你會不會反對在這一次溝通的過程當中當然我覺得在監理的過程當中本來就是他們要開始進入到常態化的納管他們必須要投入成本\n但是主委我覺得就是說他配合你納管我就有時候正面多一點鼓勵包括你後面有第二階第三階這才會是一個正面社會更多正面的循環業者也配合政府的管理政府在溝通過程當中也非常的順暢所以我覺得彼此互動過程當中多一點正面我覺得才是社會正向的循環所以我才提到說\n過去批評人家是數條三兄弟這一次的溝通過程當中我們可以稱他說你們不錯你們是驚奇四超人配合我們其實他總共有12個對我知道啦你後面會有越來越多所以我是提醒你有這樣正面的交流跟互動後面在管理就會越來越正面才會真正把所有不分黨派所有委員質詢的方向大家關注的議題才有機會做更好\n更多的落實良性的監理互動環境我們是支持的我們接下來也跟委員報告我們在做這個公告的時候會把他們這12家公司一一的列明出來就很清楚的知道對這也是讓民眾也知道說這個是我接受管理的有一個認證標章的那個概念就譬如說我們買蔬菜有認證標章我就會去買\n所以說我覺得這個是所以我剛才為什麼提到這件事情就是我覺得他們是正面良性的納管我們有一定的監管機制在裡頭讓民眾覺得說他是接受我納管未來更多的業者說不定主動希望來接受你納管我們法務處的同仁也建議就是說未來我們這個公告的時候會把\n這12家名稱都飆烈起來所以你應該不會反對我說過去人家批評是俗條三兄弟現在接受納管以後有機會變成驚奇的四超人或十二超人我不會幫他們取名字啦但是就是說外界看他們的表現\n外界看他們表現要取什麼東西我們都其實都不反對謝謝主委不管你取什麼就是我覺得有一個正面的鼓勵我希望是這樣子主委我第二個問題就是說未來就是說納管之後我們金融消費的評議\n就是件數會增加我要提醒你就是說我們現在金融消費者的評議中心量能到底夠不夠量能是不是要加強因為過去我們沒有在處理一下子納管這麼多所以這個到底要不要加強我想這部分也是我們在做一開始我們就已經開始在準備這些事情了那我想\n如果有需要我可以請杜董事長來這邊講一下那我們已經注意到這個問題我們也會增加資源整個配套措施我想當然也都完備主委為什麼這樣子提就是說除了量能會增加之外我們當然還是希望如果有這些消費者爭議我們能夠處理得更快才會看到金寶法納管之後整個政府的效率有做調整\n那外界也有在呼籲說,到底租賃業者要不要訂專法的聲音那主委,你現在的態度跟去年有沒有不同?其實我還是一樣的,就是說我們有問題要先解決,如果等專法的話我想這個專法剛剛也有提到,97年就提出來為什麼這麼久提出這個版本,為什麼大家一直沒辦法訂案,這個問題非常複雜\n我研究以後發現說很難很快的達到一個共識但是我們先從這來做累積一些監理的經驗我們持續針對融資公司未來管理專法如何我們還是持續研究中如果真的要推動專法的話那租賃業者超過8000家全部都\n放進來一起納管嗎那當然不可能我覺得未來絕對是應該先定義他的範圍我覺得這很困難就是說其實我剛才也有提到融資公司是我們一般的通稱其實市場上並不是有這麼一個明確的業態界線沒有錯而且他們做的範圍其實都不一致所以這是過去為什麼這麼難三四十年沒辦法做一個定案但我們先用這個方法累積監理的經驗也許可以做為未來專法很重要的依據\n好謝謝主委你的回應不過主委我還是要提醒就是說目前三大家租賃業者四大家在2024年包括像中古車的交易總經理原來是495億元現在下降43%然後第二季包括乘坐從原來的186億元就是他們去年每一家這三大家業績都下降就是說\n下降不管無論這是消費者的決定但是租賃業者納入金保法之後業者未來他對於乘坐個金個金不是契金的意願會下降最後反而會使消費者會不會轉向其他八千家沒有納管的來去做借貸\n反而讓業者消費者承擔更大的風險這個主委你的看法是什麼我是雙軌並進第一個納管以後當然對一些比較做不好的會被淘汰但是我們現在另外一個方向我們也鼓勵\n我們也會請銀行來研究這一塊他們過去他不做的怎麼樣以普惠金融的角度把它擴大過來我想這部分因為既然租賃公司可以做代表它也是一個市場我覺得假設我們也鼓勵銀行我也請我們同仁\n朝這個方向來努力讓他雙軌並進好我最後一句話就好了主委那個IFRS 17跟TWICS的接軌我們現在已經完成第四階段的協助措施未來你目前的做法目前的協助就是說目前第四階段處理的你滿意嗎有什麼需要加強的\n未來會不會有第五階段的協助措施或者是甚至不處理不推第五階段會不會有個別的行政手段去做協助讓明明一號上路可以更順利當然這是一個保險業重大的一個轉型iPhone 17我剛剛報告過問題比較小\n這個有關新一代清償能力的部分呢因為我們去年12月3日提了一個第四階段我們亞洲唯一採用你要不要提第五階段會不會我們就是第四階段講完了我們後面很多東西按照表定要把很多的數據公佈出來我們按照這個時程在走\n那當然我剛才講說亞洲唯一採用韓國態勢隨時滾動式調整我覺得我們是要解決問題我們要讓我們的產業順利轉型這是我們最重要的目標謝謝後續會有其他行政手段嗎我們隨時有必要的事情我們都會來做適度的調整謝謝好 謝謝李委員的質詢下面請鍾嘉斌委員質詢報告委員會鍾委員質詢完畢以後我們休息十分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.731 --> 00:01.172\n主席\n\n00:08.978 --> 00:32.088\n主委好我想過去這一年在財務會其實很多委員都非常關心融資公司納入金保法的相關的一些規範去年我在同一個位置同一個地方我也跟你溝通過就是包括我們到底融資公司納入金保法你回應我說跟業者正在尋求共識那法規已經準備好了社會有高度期待\n\n00:33.689 --> 00:57.864\n六個月之後可以上路我要請問主委現在跟業者的溝通是不是已經達成了是不是有共識也謝謝委員在過去的居中協調啦那委員我們跟業者的溝通非常順暢我們也開過六七次的技術性的會談應該已經對是不是經過這些溝通協調讓大家彼此也了解未來這整個經保法的修法方向怎麼走是更順利\n\n00:58.664 --> 01:26.925\n我們現在大概有開過了跟他們工作層次的開過非常多的會議針對執法內容可行性這些部分你都跟他做溝通還有就是我們對他期待要求我都跟他講我想現在應該是沒什麼爭議所以配合度也非常高當然當然對他們講成本增加未來的這個法尊的要求變高他們當然還在適應所以你也會給他們就是譬如說包括系統建置的時間因為你不是所有的業態的業者全部納管先從大的開始\n\n01:29.147 --> 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04:30.498\n給他們多一點的鼓勵就是過去他們被外界或被媒體被輿論稱為數條三兄弟但是是很多其實業態有八千多家是不是全部他們都蓋瓜承受那我覺得在這一次他們接受納管而且他們也很積極配合你相關的法規我覺得也應該給予更多正面的鼓勵譬如說\n\n04:31.879 --> 04:49.008\n從鼠橋三兄弟其實我們應該說他們是驚奇四超人你會不會反對在這一次溝通的過程當中當然我覺得在監理的過程當中本來就是他們要開始進入到常態化的納管他們必須要投入成本\n\n04:49.448 --> 05:12.761\n但是主委我覺得就是說他配合你納管我就有時候正面多一點鼓勵包括你後面有第二階第三階這才會是一個正面社會更多正面的循環業者也配合政府的管理政府在溝通過程當中也非常的順暢所以我覺得彼此互動過程當中多一點正面我覺得才是社會正向的循環所以我才提到說\n\n05:13.841 --> 05:40.964\n過去批評人家是數條三兄弟這一次的溝通過程當中我們可以稱他說你們不錯你們是驚奇四超人配合我們其實他總共有12個對我知道啦你後面會有越來越多所以我是提醒你有這樣正面的交流跟互動後面在管理就會越來越正面才會真正把所有不分黨派所有委員質詢的方向大家關注的議題才有機會做更好\n\n05:41.544 --> 06:04.151\n更多的落實良性的監理互動環境我們是支持的我們接下來也跟委員報告我們在做這個公告的時候會把他們這12家公司一一的列明出來就很清楚的知道對這也是讓民眾也知道說這個是我接受管理的有一個認證標章的那個概念就譬如說我們買蔬菜有認證標章我就會去買\n\n06:05.131 --> 06:24.505\n所以說我覺得這個是所以我剛才為什麼提到這件事情就是我覺得他們是正面良性的納管我們有一定的監管機制在裡頭讓民眾覺得說他是接受我納管未來更多的業者說不定主動希望來接受你納管我們法務處的同仁也建議就是說未來我們這個公告的時候會把\n\n06:26.087 --> 06:39.524\n這12家名稱都飆烈起來所以你應該不會反對我說過去人家批評是俗條三兄弟現在接受納管以後有機會變成驚奇的四超人或十二超人我不會幫他們取名字啦但是就是說外界看他們的表現\n\n06:40.905 --> 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