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00:02:51,696\n所以未來如果關稅的清單上除了關稅以外還要我們排除美牛禁令的這樣子的非關稅的貿易障礙的時候你們因應的手段是什麼\n\n9\n00:02:53,212 --> 00:03:06,316\n我跟委員報告就是基本上我們在對美本身的一個主要的態度就是相對的在個別品項裡面在去談的時候我認為以豬肉來講\n\n10\n00:03:08,977 --> 00:03:37,156\n其實豬肉將近88%到90%是國產豬肉因為國內的消費習性都是以溫體豬為主特別是溫體豬大概63%是進到我們的傳統市場所以應該對我們國內的豬肉是要有信心的然後10%左右它是由其他國家進口那其他國家裡面美國進來的比例我記得非常低大概只有2到3左右而已所以這個部分我想我們會持續關切它的動向\n\n11\n00:03:38,217 --> 00:04:02,465\n我們會不會有手段我們有沒有辦法拿出手段來有沒有辦法拿出政策來以農業部來講我們一定會持續去加強我們的國內的豬產業的升級我們過去四年投入了將近100億到128億左右因為有些是移動性的跨年度的所以我們的豬本身的生產效率也提高了所以本身的競爭力是逐漸的浮現\n\n12\n00:04:03,565 --> 00:04:28,448\n那相對的如果美國的進口的時候他是在那個10%裡面不同的國家在搶那個單子所以我們會持續的關切那如果他要求我們呢要求我們排除相關的障礙呢例如有可能是希望我們在學校的那個校園的餐點裡面不得禁用相關的食品\n\n13\n00:04:30,301 --> 00:04:38,986\n你問到這個問題就不是農業部可以回答的不過以農業部來講我們一定從產業端去提供一個優質的一個產品為目標\n\n14\n00:04:43,148 --> 00:05:08,882\n如果啦如果即便如此那美國對於台灣我們重點出口的對美輸出的農產品的品項例如蝴蝶蘭吳郭魚虱目魚毛豆等他如果再進口關稅採取差別稅率那會不會影響到台灣農產品進口到美國的競爭力那未來我們政府怎麼樣協助農民做營運\n\n15\n00:05:11,544 --> 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毛豆等他如果再進口關稅採取差別稅率那會不會影響到台灣農產品進口到美國的競爭力那未來我們政府怎麼樣協助農民做營運\n311544\t340183\t我跟委員報告像蝴蝶蘭花它是零關稅那如果關稅它提高因為對等關稅就是它要求我們降低或是它提高但是它提高其實對它的國內是沒有用的那我們在這個方面的因應其實蝴蝶蘭是一個接力生產它不是直接把花送到美國去賣所以它接力生產的過程中我們會透過這些接力生產的不同階段的種苗去做一個有效的調度第二個就是\n341404\t367447\t川普政府不只是對台灣對等關稅的一個處理他對其他的競爭對手國我們對美國的蝴蝶蘭最大的競爭對手國是荷蘭所以荷蘭如果同樣的去調高關稅的時候那其實大家在同等的關稅之下台灣還是有競爭力的所以要看他會不會對荷蘭調高對對其他的國家所以我們會持續去關切川普政府的一個對等關稅的一個整個的處理情形\n368978\t394438\t還有我們在那個調整台電調整費率的時候有沒有他有可能就已經2024年他調整費率說他要取消對於社福學校農業等的優惠電價那由該事業主管機關編列預算動長電價那這個部分農業部有沒有辦法爭取台電不要調整農業用電的費率\n397200\t413502\t我跟委員報告在去年台電調降的時候早期是台電那邊去處理去吸收嘛那現在從去年開始就是由各主管機關就農業部他調降了以後我們就配合他的調降我們對農民的用電\n414924\t423775\t的一個輔導跟協助政策是不變的所以當他上市調降了以後我們編列的24.26億本來是25點多億後來因為三減的關係24.26億那有一部分是做他的一個\n431269\t457098\t那個用電的優惠包括他的基本用電離封尖峰的用電的優惠那另外一個部分是處理他的那個電費上漲的價差補貼這個我們都會去處理如果這一次的電費有所調整的話我想我們政策不變我們還是會積極的去向政府還是從就是變預算補貼而不是你不會去要求台電要對於農業的用電費率就是不要予以動長嗎\n458499\t470052\t我想以農業部的立場就是我們的目標就是希望這個電費不會造成農民的一個增加負擔所以農業部一定會盡可能的去尋找財源來協助農民\n472486\t500656\t尤其是當我們有可能面臨到就是美國的對於我們的相關的稅率有可能增加的時候那如果我們又在就是電費的方面這樣就是農業電費的話我覺得對於農民的整體的衝擊可能太大那未來農業部也要進一步儘快因應喔好不好我想非常謝謝委員的關心因為委員也一直非常關心農業那這個部分我想我們跟委員的態度是一樣的我們一定用盡全力來協助我們的產業的發展\n501789\t501931\t好 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我想要請我們陳部長請陳部長\n部長我想請教一下就是現在目前美國正在對各國進行關稅的談判那我想要請問因為2024年我們外銷美國的農產品總額只有8.87億但是美國農產品輸入我國的總額是37.98億美元\n那這個逆差是美國輸我們的多那還多了四倍之多所以如果美國認為就是這個豬肉進口的稅率目前我們訂定的是12.5%他們認為太高的話那要我們調降那有沒有因應的手段\n我跟委員報告就是川普政府的對等關稅的一個政策他現在目前並沒有實際公布哪一些他的真正的措施跟作為但是我們農業部已經持續在關心那農業部農業的產品的部分就像委員所說的對美國來講是粗糙他並不是一個逆差貿易逆差是用全台灣的產品所以對農業部來講比較好的一個\n一個就是對美國來講是順差那第二個部分就是我們現在要處理的就是美國的平均關稅是5.0台灣的農產品平均關稅是16.6但是這16.6本身如果你用貿易的平均\n就是貿易加權平均的話大概是9%左右啦所以我想我們會持續去關切目前川普釋出的這些訊息而且我們也會配合政府OTN一致性的這些跟美國去做一個有效的溝通\n但是美國貿易代表所他發表的年度貿易障礙報告裡面我們台灣的農產品貿易品項有稻米美牛美豬等就是常被他們認為他們有貿易障礙的點名我們應該廢除美牛禁令等非關稅貿易障礙\n所以未來如果關稅的清單上除了關稅以外還要我們排除美牛禁令的這樣子的非關稅的貿易障礙的時候你們因應的手段是什麼\n我跟委員報告就是基本上我們在對美本身的一個主要的態度就是相對的在個別品項裡面在去談的時候我認為以豬肉來講\n其實豬肉將近88%到90%是國產豬肉因為國內的消費習性都是以溫體豬為主特別是溫體豬大概63%是進到我們的傳統市場所以應該對我們國內的豬肉是要有信心的然後10%左右它是由其他國家進口那其他國家裡面美國進來的比例我記得非常低大概只有2到3左右而已所以這個部分我想我們會持續關切它的動向\n我們會不會有手段我們有沒有辦法拿出手段來有沒有辦法拿出政策來以農業部來講我們一定會持續去加強我們的國內的豬產業的升級我們過去四年投入了將近100億到128億左右因為有些是移動性的跨年度的所以我們的豬本身的生產效率也提高了所以本身的競爭力是逐漸的浮現\n那相對的如果美國的進口的時候他是在那個10%裡面不同的國家在搶那個單子所以我們會持續的關切那如果他要求我們呢要求我們排除相關的障礙呢例如有可能是希望我們在學校的那個校園的餐點裡面不得禁用相關的食品\n你問到這個問題就不是農業部可以回答的不過以農業部來講我們一定從產業端去提供一個優質的一個產品為目標\n如果啦 如果即便如此那美國對於台灣我們重點出口的對美輸出的農產品的品項例如蝴蝶蘭 吳郭魚 虱目魚 毛豆等他如果再進口關稅採取差別稅率那會不會影響到台灣農產品進口到美國的競爭力那未來我們政府怎麼樣協助農民做營運\n我跟委員報告像蝴蝶蘭花它是零關稅那如果關稅它提高因為對等關稅就是它要求我們降低或是它提高但是它提高其實對它的國內是沒有用的那我們在這個方面的因應其實蝴蝶蘭是一個接力生產它不是直接把花送到美國去賣所以它接力生產的過程中我們會透過這些接力生產的不同階段的種苗去做一個有效的調度第二個就是\n川普政府不只是對台灣對等關稅的一個處理他對其他的競爭對手國我們對美國的蝴蝶蘭最大的競爭對手國是荷蘭所以荷蘭如果同樣的去調高關稅的時候那其實大家在同等的關稅之下台灣還是有競爭力的所以要看他會不會對荷蘭調高對對其他的國家所以我們會持續去關切川普政府的一個對等關稅的一個整個的處理情形\n還有我們在那個調整台電調整費率的時候有沒有他有可能就已經2024年他調整費率說他要取消對於社福學校農業等的優惠電價那由該事業主管機關編列預算動長電價那這個部分農業部有沒有辦法爭取台電不要調整農業用電的費率\n我跟委員報告在去年台電調降的時候早期是台電那邊去處理去吸收嘛那現在從去年開始就是由各主管機關就農業部他調降了以後我們就配合他的調降我們對農民的用電\n的一個輔導跟協助政策是不變的所以當他上市調降了以後我們編列的24.26億本來是25點多億後來因為三減的關係24.26億那有一部分是做他的一個\n那個用電的優惠包括他的基本用電離封尖峰的用電的優惠那另外一個部分是處理他的那個電費上漲的價差補貼這個我們都會去處理如果這一次的電費有所調整的話我想我們政策不變我們還是會積極的去向政府還是從就是變預算補貼而不是你不會去要求台電要對於農業的用電費率就是不要予以動長嗎\n我想以農業部的立場就是我們的目標就是希望這個電費不會造成農民的一個增加負擔所以農業部一定會盡可能的去尋找財源來協助農民\n尤其是當我們有可能面臨到就是美國的對於我們的相關的稅率有可能增加的時候那如果我們又在就是電費的方面這樣就是農業電費的話我覺得對於農民的整體的衝擊可能太大那未來農業部也要進一步儘快因應喔好不好我想非常謝謝委員的關心因為委員也一直非常關心農業那這個部分我想我們跟委員的態度是一樣的我們一定用盡全力來協助我們的產業的發展\n好 謝謝好 謝謝謝偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.705 --> 00:08.713\n謝謝主席我想要請我們陳部長請陳部長\n\n00:15.902 --> 00:31.566\n部長我想請教一下就是現在目前美國正在對各國進行關稅的談判那我想要請問因為2024年我們外銷美國的農產品總額只有8.87億但是美國農產品輸入我國的總額是37.98億美元\n\n00:43.709 --> 01:07.927\n那這個逆差是美國輸我們的多那還多了四倍之多所以如果美國認為就是這個豬肉進口的稅率目前我們訂定的是12.5%他們認為太高的話那要我們調降那有沒有因應的手段\n\n01:08.903 --> 01:35.417\n我跟委員報告就是川普政府的對等關稅的一個政策他現在目前並沒有實際公布哪一些他的真正的措施跟作為但是我們農業部已經持續在關心那農業部農業的產品的部分就像委員所說的對美國來講是粗糙他並不是一個逆差貿易逆差是用全台灣的產品所以對農業部來講比較好的一個\n\n01:38.118 --> 01:53.340\n一個就是對美國來講是順差那第二個部分就是我們現在要處理的就是美國的平均關稅是5.0台灣的農產品平均關稅是16.6但是這16.6本身如果你用貿易的平均\n\n01:54.561 --> 02:09.095\n就是貿易加權平均的話大概是9%左右啦所以我想我們會持續去關切目前川普釋出的這些訊息而且我們也會配合政府OTN一致性的這些跟美國去做一個有效的溝通\n\n02:10.265 --> 02:35.561\n但是美國貿易代表所他發表的年度貿易障礙報告裡面我們台灣的農產品貿易品項有稻米美牛美豬等就是常被他們認為他們有貿易障礙的點名我們應該廢除美牛禁令等非關稅貿易障礙\n\n02:37.302 --> 02:51.696\n所以未來如果關稅的清單上除了關稅以外還要我們排除美牛禁令的這樣子的非關稅的貿易障礙的時候你們因應的手段是什麼\n\n02:53.212 --> 03:06.316\n我跟委員報告就是基本上我們在對美本身的一個主要的態度就是相對的在個別品項裡面在去談的時候我認為以豬肉來講\n\n03:08.977 --> 03:37.156\n其實豬肉將近88%到90%是國產豬肉因為國內的消費習性都是以溫體豬為主特別是溫體豬大概63%是進到我們的傳統市場所以應該對我們國內的豬肉是要有信心的然後10%左右它是由其他國家進口那其他國家裡面美國進來的比例我記得非常低大概只有2到3左右而已所以這個部分我想我們會持續關切它的動向\n\n03:38.217 --> 04:02.465\n我們會不會有手段我們有沒有辦法拿出手段來有沒有辦法拿出政策來以農業部來講我們一定會持續去加強我們的國內的豬產業的升級我們過去四年投入了將近100億到128億左右因為有些是移動性的跨年度的所以我們的豬本身的生產效率也提高了所以本身的競爭力是逐漸的浮現\n\n04:03.565 --> 04:28.448\n那相對的如果美國的進口的時候他是在那個10%裡面不同的國家在搶那個單子所以我們會持續的關切那如果他要求我們呢要求我們排除相關的障礙呢例如有可能是希望我們在學校的那個校園的餐點裡面不得禁用相關的食品\n\n04:30.301 --> 04:38.986\n你問到這個問題就不是農業部可以回答的不過以農業部來講我們一定從產業端去提供一個優質的一個產品為目標\n\n04:43.148 --> 05:08.882\n如果啦如果即便如此那美國對於台灣我們重點出口的對美輸出的農產品的品項例如蝴蝶蘭吳郭魚虱目魚毛豆等他如果再進口關稅採取差別稅率那會不會影響到台灣農產品進口到美國的競爭力那未來我們政府怎麼樣協助農民做營運\n\n05:11.544 --> 05:40.183\n我跟委員報告像蝴蝶蘭花它是零關稅那如果關稅它提高因為對等關稅就是它要求我們降低或是它提高但是它提高其實對它的國內是沒有用的那我們在這個方面的因應其實蝴蝶蘭是一個接力生產它不是直接把花送到美國去賣所以它接力生產的過程中我們會透過這些接力生產的不同階段的種苗去做一個有效的調度第二個就是\n\n05:41.404 --> 06:07.447\n川普政府不只是對台灣對等關稅的一個處理他對其他的競爭對手國我們對美國的蝴蝶蘭最大的競爭對手國是荷蘭所以荷蘭如果同樣的去調高關稅的時候那其實大家在同等的關稅之下台灣還是有競爭力的所以要看他會不會對荷蘭調高對對其他的國家所以我們會持續去關切川普政府的一個對等關稅的一個整個的處理情形\n\n06:08.978 --> 06:34.438\n還有我們在那個調整台電調整費率的時候有沒有他有可能就已經2024年他調整費率說他要取消對於社福學校農業等的優惠電價那由該事業主管機關編列預算動長電價那這個部分農業部有沒有辦法爭取台電不要調整農業用電的費率\n\n06:37.200 --> 06:53.502\n我跟委員報告在去年台電調降的時候早期是台電那邊去處理去吸收嘛那現在從去年開始就是由各主管機關就農業部他調降了以後我們就配合他的調降我們對農民的用電\n\n06:54.924 --> 07:03.775\n的一個輔導跟協助政策是不變的所以當他上市調降了以後我們編列的24.26億本來是25點多億後來因為三減的關係24.26億那有一部分是做他的一個\n\n07:11.269 --> 07:37.098\n那個用電的優惠包括他的基本用電離封尖峰的用電的優惠那另外一個部分是處理他的那個電費上漲的價差補貼這個我們都會去處理如果這一次的電費有所調整的話我想我們政策不變我們還是會積極的去向政府還是從就是變預算補貼而不是你不會去要求台電要對於農業的用電費率就是不要予以動長嗎\n\n07:38.499 --> 07:50.052\n我想以農業部的立場就是我們的目標就是希望這個電費不會造成農民的一個增加負擔所以農業部一定會盡可能的去尋找財源來協助農民\n\n07:52.486 --> 08:20.656\n尤其是當我們有可能面臨到就是美國的對於我們的相關的稅率有可能增加的時候那如果我們又在就是電費的方面這樣就是農業電費的話我覺得對於農民的整體的衝擊可能太大那未來農業部也要進一步儘快因應喔好不好我想非常謝謝委員的關心因為委員也一直非常關心農業那這個部分我想我們跟委員的態度是一樣的我們一定用盡全力來協助我們的產業的發展\n\n08:21.789 --> 08:21.931\n好謝謝好謝謝謝偉\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.705,"end":8.713,"text":"謝謝主席 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