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--> 00:01:52,064\n當你一旦被列管的時候這些寵物如果要帶出門的時候第一個你的牽引繩的程序你要戴口罩而且要有成年人因為有時候力量太大一定要有成年人陪伴有這些規範之下你如果違反的時候所以這要加強管理嘛怎麼樣去教育跟訓練我覺得我們現在很多寵物我們\n\n6\n00:01:57,128 --> 00:02:13,512\n在動保室裡面我們有一個專案一直要去強調事主的責任因為事主的責任如果落實的時候我相信後面很多包括這種動物的咬人的事情或者是流浪犬的問題那個問題就可以簡化對就在動保法裡面我們就要加強規範像他出入公眾場所他這個牽繩這牽繩距離1.5公尺\n\n7\n00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:36,009\n你要有牽繩甚至他出去外面如果這狗狗他未來他是很兇猛的話你看到很多的話還有嘴巴會加個套子對不對以防他會去咬人嘛這些都必須要有加強規範那所以我們也希望說我們在\n\n8\n00:02:37,671 --> 00:02:58,973\n部長你這邊很多的條例我們就要在我們中央統一來規範你不能丟給地方政府用地方自治法去做這樣子的話有些地方還是沒有規範到那我們桃園對於這個牽繩的部分我們桃園是統一規定你只要帶到戶外公眾場所都要有牽繩那其他地方還是沒有那部長\n\n9\n00:02:59,654 --> 00:03:24,643\n要不要統一來規範我跟委員報告剛才我講的就是說他出入公共場所裡面的基本規範都已經在動保法裡面有規範了全國都要對都要而且是地方政府的落實度你說的動保法有事現在你們規範還沒有實施只是你們送進去行政院而已嗎沒有沒有這個動保法有規有危險的犬隻已經在動保法裡面有規定了\n\n10\n00:03:25,283 --> 00:03:45,561\n其他的犬隻也會有啊對相對的就是我想剛才說的當然危險的有但沒有危險的不曉得他什麼動作萬一說行人啊那個用路人他有受到威脅啊騎腳踏車狗啊追他的時候他也會跌倒這些都還是要用牽繩來規範的我想第一個部分喔就是\n\n11\n00:03:47,042 --> 00:04:16,462\n因為犬隻本身有危險性的或比較沒危險性的喔我們在這個動物的分級寵物的分級分類裡面就是因為有分級部長你不要說危險性的比特犬牠可能說比較肌肉比較強比較咬合力比較大牠是危險性的但是你說沒有危險性也不一定喔像很多我們民眾的投訴裡面就有很多流浪狗還是狗隻會追人用路的人被追騎腳踏車也被追小孩子回家也被咬\n\n12\n00:04:17,662 --> 00:04:29,107\n這些情形都一再的在發生所以我們是不是應該統一要規範說不只說是危險性的一般的只要你事主都有負責管理的責任你沒有教育好管理好\n\n13\n00:04:30,356 --> 00:04:49,488\n就會發生這種問題嗎非常同意委員的意見我剛才說的在動保法裡面針對危險的選擇已經有規範了然後您剛才注重的就是除了危險選擇以外其他的選擇也有可能發生那當時在動保法的時候也有把它列進去後來在委員討論的時候被不是您啦\n\n14\n00:04:50,208 --> 00:04:57,515\n被一些委員把他拿掉了不過我想這一次我們會重新考可是部長你忘了你在2023年4月的時候提這個修正的版本送到行政院的這有一個有四個的層面你們都有提進去一個就是世俗的這個責任\n\n15\n00:05:06,804 --> 00:05:29,627\n還有就是對管理我們的動物的這個利用跟虐待的傷害還有一個就是對於寵物產業的管理跟我們檢察員的執法四個層面你都送到行政院那所以說我們要統一規範的話那行政院你們已經送進去了2023年4月送進去去年的這個8月份也呈報這行政院什麼時候\n\n16\n00:05:31,158 --> 00:05:58,855\n你要送進來立法院我想那個行政院審議完了以後我們一定會第一時間送進去年到現在已經兩年了2023年到2024到2025年已經兩年了什麼時候每次問部長你這個事情的時候你都叫年底年底年底不了了是過了兩年了很抱歉因為行政院的審議的時候他有不同的法案在審理我們會那你有去了解嗎需要你解釋的需要修正的我們一定去解釋\n\n17\n00:06:01,116 --> 00:06:28,789\n最重要就是說我們一定是行政院審議我會拜託行政院能夠優先來審議那有什麼時間什麼時間要送進來立法院我問了以後再跟委員回覆好不好我現在不敢隨便講比較重要的我跟委員報告比較重要的是在因為法院法案在審查之後還有一些時程在這個空窗期的時候兩年了對在這個空窗期的時候我們可不可以用一些指引的方式去對地方政府去做傳達\n\n18\n00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:53,717\n是所以在這邊我要跟部長再三的強調就是說這個部分不要讓各地各地方政府自己去決定地方自治去決定我們應該統一在中央有一個一套的這個規範出來這樣子的話民眾在飼養他的動物的時候他可以用教育他或者訓練他或者加強管理如果說管理不當的情形之下我們要再加強嚴懲而且\n\n19\n00:06:55,518 --> 00:07:00,429\n我們的統一的規範也希望你們早日公布讓我們動保法可以去執行\n\n20\n00:07:01,172 --> 00:07:05,573\n了解我們努力接下來我們要請問的就是因為美國在4月份提出這個對等關稅的部分在對等關稅的話也把我們國家列到骯髒15國裡面也就是整個經濟貿易的這個有逆差順差這個情形的發生的話那我們特別提到的就是我們農漁業這個部分農業我們台灣的進口\n\n21\n00:07:26,838 --> 00:07:40,249\n是比出口的多所以在黃小玉的出口是原物料那台灣像美國出口的加工農產品的話在2024年來講的話台灣對美國農業貿易的利差將近了29億的美元所以美國會不會對我們的對等關稅裡面加強我們的關稅\n\n22\n00:07:48,095 --> 00:08:16,078\n我想根據川普的對外的釋出的訊息他的對等關稅的完整的措施是在4月2號他會公布那這個期間其實我們政府在OTN的協助之下我們也做了相關的盤點對農業來講一個比較好的地方是對美國農產貿易我們對他們來講是順差是順差然後接下來就是說這些關稅本身它是一次性的還是個別性的去談\n\n23\n00:08:16,578 --> 00:08:33,886\n所以部長都要去了解我們持續的去了解去關心但是目前我想我們還是積極的在輔導我們的產業升級跟轉型最重要一點就是任何的後續的調整一定要去維持我們產業的競爭力本席會在這邊提醒部長的話就是我們擔心的是美國為了說這個農產品這個關稅來做誘因邀請我國放寬對於美國的豬肉跟牛肉含有萊克多巴胺的成分的標準\n\n24\n00:08:46,311 --> 00:09:08,679\n像調整這個下降這個標準甚至於讓那個美牛這個高風險的部位的強制來扣關影響國人的健康這一點請農業部一定要堅守好不好我想我們以農業部來講我們會積極的輔導我們國內的豬肉的一個供應而且台灣的習性相信百分之九十百分之八十八到百分之九十左右都是用國產肉的部分\n\n25\n00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:22,178\n這個部分我想我們會持續來...不要因為我們農漁業的關稅給我們一些減免的或者是免身關稅的誘因你就犧牲國人的健康這個是很重要的請部長可以堅守謝謝李委員謝謝陳部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7995\t10556\t謝謝主席 請陳部長好 請陳部長委員長部長這個月在台北發生了比特犬有二度咬人的事件那市主也有受到管理不當的部分開罰了20萬元但是我們看到我們2022年的3月1號比特犬就列為禁止飼養了\n35447\t48872\t禁止飼養的所以我們希望他們可以用整個管理上來做登記跟決議的部分而且被查的這個比特犬現在目前雖然禁養但是現在還有3974隻那但是\n53133\t69798\t這三千多隻的話 你有沒有去落實去管理 那就很重要所以 還看到會發生了這個比特權咬人事件 甚至還有被咬死孩童的這個案例喔 那我請問部長 這個是不是你們要再加嚴管理加嚴來懲罰\n73279\t92810\t這個事件凸顯了寵物的分級分類管理的重要這第一個第二個部分就是針對有公共安全危險的這些寵物事實上我們會陸續的去公告那以比特權來講就像您說的將近4000隻本身是列管的而且我們已經有很明確的規範\n94071\t112064\t當你一旦被列管的時候這些寵物如果要帶出門的時候第一個你的牽引繩的程序你要戴口罩而且要有成年人因為有時候力量太大一定要有成年人陪伴有這些規範之下你如果違反的時候所以這要加強管理嘛怎麼樣去教育跟訓練我覺得我們現在很多寵物我們\n117128\t133512\t在動保室裡面我們有一個專案一直要去強調事主的責任因為事主的責任如果落實的時候我相信後面很多包括這種動物的咬人的事情或者是流浪犬的問題那個問題就可以簡化對 就在動保法裡面我們就要加強規範像他出入公眾場所他這個牽繩這牽繩距離1.5公尺\n139773\t156009\t你要有牽繩甚至他出去外面如果這狗狗他未來他是很兇猛的話你看到很多的話還有嘴巴會加個套子對不對以防他會去咬人嘛這些都必須要有加強規範那所以我們也希望說我們在\n157671\t178973\t部長你這邊很多的條例我們就要在我們中央統一來規範你不能丟給地方政府用地方自治法去做這樣子的話有些地方還是沒有規範到那我們桃園對於這個牽繩的部分我們桃園是統一規定你只要帶到戶外公眾場所都要有牽繩那其他地方還是沒有那部長\n179654\t204643\t要不要統一來規範我跟委員報告剛才我講的就是說他出入公共場所裡面的基本規範都已經在動保法裡面有規範了全國都要對都要而且是地方政府的落實度你說的動保法有事現在你們規範還沒有實施只是你們送進去行政院而已嗎沒有沒有這個動保法有規有危險的犬隻已經在動保法裡面有規定了\n205283\t225561\t其他的犬隻也會有啊對 相對的就是 我想剛才說的當然危險的有 但沒有危險的不曉得他什麼動作萬一說行人啊 那個用路人他有受到威脅啊 騎腳踏車 狗啊 追他的時候他也會跌倒 這些都還是要用牽繩來規範的我想第一個部分喔 就是\n227042\t256462\t因為犬隻本身有危險性的或比較沒危險性的喔我們在這個動物的分級寵物的分級分類裡面就是因為有分級部長你不要說危險性的比特犬牠可能說比較肌肉比較強比較咬合力比較大牠是危險性的但是你說沒有危險性也不一定喔像很多我們民眾的投訴裡面就有很多流浪狗還是狗隻會追人用路的人被追騎腳踏車也被追小孩子回家也被咬\n257662\t269107\t這些情形都一再的在發生所以我們是不是應該統一要規範說不只說是危險性的一般的只要你事主都有負責管理的責任你沒有教育好 管理好\n270356\t289488\t就會發生這種問題嗎非常同意委員的意見我剛才說的在動保法裡面針對危險的選擇已經有規範了然後您剛才注重的就是除了危險選擇以外其他的選擇也有可能發生那當時在動保法的時候也有把它列進去後來在委員討論的時候被不是您啦\n290208\t297515\t被一些委員把他拿掉了不過我想這一次我們會重新考可是部長你忘了你在2023年4月的時候提這個修正的版本送到行政院的這有一個有四個的層面你們都有提進去一個就是世俗的這個責任\n306804\t329627\t還有就是對管理我們的動物的這個利用跟虐待的傷害還有一個就是對於寵物產業的管理跟我們檢察員的執法四個層面你都送到行政院那所以說我們要統一規範的話那行政院你們已經送進去了2023年4月送進去去年的這個8月份也呈報這行政院什麼時候\n331158\t358855\t你要送進來立法院我想那個行政院審議完了以後我們一定會第一時間送進去年到現在已經兩年了2023年到2024到2025年已經兩年了什麼時候每次問部長你這個事情的時候你都叫年底年底年底不了了是過了兩年了很抱歉因為行政院的審議的時候他有不同的法案在審理我們會那你有去了解嗎需要你解釋的需要修正的我們一定去解釋\n361116\t388789\t最重要就是說我們一定是行政院審議我會拜託行政院能夠優先來審議那有什麼時間什麼時間要送進來立法院我問了以後再跟委員回覆好不好我現在不敢隨便講比較重要的我跟委員報告比較重要的是在因為法院法案在審查之後還有一些時程在這個空窗期的時候兩年了對在這個空窗期的時候我們可不可以用一些指引的方式去對地方政府去做傳達\n390510\t413717\t是 所以在這邊我要跟部長再三的強調就是說這個部分不要讓各地各地方政府自己去決定地方自治去決定我們應該統一在中央有一個一套的這個規範出來這樣子的話民眾在飼養他的動物的時候他可以用教育他或者訓練他或者加強管理如果說管理不當的情形之下我們要再加強嚴懲而且\n415518\t420429\t我們的統一的規範也希望你們早日公布 讓我們動保法可以去執行\n421172\t425573\t了解 我們努力接下來我們要請問的就是因為美國在4月份提出這個對等關稅的部分在對等關稅的話也把我們國家列到骯髒15國裡面也就是整個經濟貿易的這個有逆差順差這個情形的發生的話那我們特別提到的就是我們農漁業這個部分農業我們台灣的進口\n446838\t460249\t是比出口的多所以在黃小玉的出口是原物料那台灣像美國出口的加工農產品的話在2024年來講的話台灣對美國農業貿易的利差將近了29億的美元所以美國會不會對我們的對等關稅裡面加強我們的關稅\n468095\t496078\t我想根據川普的對外的釋出的訊息他的對等關稅的完整的措施是在4月2號他會公布那這個期間其實我們政府在OTN的協助之下我們也做了相關的盤點對農業來講一個比較好的地方是對美國農產貿易我們對他們來講是順差是順差然後接下來就是說這些關稅本身它是一次性的還是個別性的去談\n496578\t513886\t所以部長都要去了解我們持續的去了解去關心但是目前我想我們還是積極的在輔導我們的產業升級跟轉型最重要一點就是任何的後續的調整一定要去維持我們產業的競爭力本席會在這邊提醒部長的話就是我們擔心的是美國為了說這個農產品這個關稅來做誘因邀請我國放寬對於美國的豬肉跟牛肉含有萊克多巴胺的成分的標準\n526311\t548679\t像調整這個下降這個標準甚至於讓那個美牛這個高風險的部位的強制來扣關影響國人的健康這一點請農業部一定要堅守好不好我想我們以農業部來講我們會積極的輔導我們國內的豬肉的一個供應而且台灣的習性相信百分之九十百分之八十八到百分之九十左右都是用國產肉的部分\n549300\t562178\t這個部分我想我們會持續來...不要因為我們農漁業的關稅給我們一些減免的或者是免身關稅的誘因你就犧牲國人的健康這個是很重要的請部長可以堅守謝謝李委員 謝謝陳部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請陳部長好 請陳部長委員長部長這個月在台北發生了比特犬有二度咬人的事件那市主也有受到管理不當的部分開罰了20萬元但是我們看到我們2022年的3月1號比特犬就列為禁止飼養了\n禁止飼養的所以我們希望他們可以用整個管理上來做登記跟決議的部分而且被查的這個比特犬現在目前雖然禁養但是現在還有3974隻那但是\n這三千多隻的話 你有沒有去落實去管理 那就很重要所以 還看到會發生了這個比特權咬人事件 甚至還有被咬死孩童的這個案例喔 那我請問部長 這個是不是你們要再加嚴管理加嚴來懲罰\n這個事件凸顯了寵物的分級分類管理的重要這第一個第二個部分就是針對有公共安全危險的這些寵物事實上我們會陸續的去公告那以比特權來講就像您說的將近4000隻本身是列管的而且我們已經有很明確的規範\n當你一旦被列管的時候這些寵物如果要帶出門的時候第一個你的牽引繩的程序你要戴口罩而且要有成年人因為有時候力量太大一定要有成年人陪伴有這些規範之下你如果違反的時候所以這要加強管理嘛怎麼樣去教育跟訓練我覺得我們現在很多寵物我們\n在動保室裡面我們有一個專案一直要去強調事主的責任因為事主的責任如果落實的時候我相信後面很多包括這種動物的咬人的事情或者是流浪犬的問題那個問題就可以簡化對 就在動保法裡面我們就要加強規範像他出入公眾場所他這個牽繩這牽繩距離1.5公尺\n你要有牽繩甚至他出去外面如果這狗狗他未來他是很兇猛的話你看到很多的話還有嘴巴會加個套子對不對以防他會去咬人嘛這些都必須要有加強規範那所以我們也希望說我們在\n部長你這邊很多的條例我們就要在我們中央統一來規範你不能丟給地方政府用地方自治法去做這樣子的話有些地方還是沒有規範到那我們桃園對於這個牽繩的部分我們桃園是統一規定你只要帶到戶外公眾場所都要有牽繩那其他地方還是沒有那部長\n要不要統一來規範我跟委員報告剛才我講的就是說他出入公共場所裡面的基本規範都已經在動保法裡面有規範了全國都要對都要而且是地方政府的落實度你說的動保法有事現在你們規範還沒有實施只是你們送進去行政院而已嗎沒有沒有這個動保法有規有危險的犬隻已經在動保法裡面有規定了\n其他的犬隻也會有啊對 相對的就是 我想剛才說的當然危險的有 但沒有危險的不曉得他什麼動作萬一說行人啊 那個用路人他有受到威脅啊 騎腳踏車 狗啊 追他的時候他也會跌倒 這些都還是要用牽繩來規範的我想第一個部分喔 就是\n因為犬隻本身有危險性的或比較沒危險性的喔我們在這個動物的分級寵物的分級分類裡面就是因為有分級部長你不要說危險性的比特犬牠可能說比較肌肉比較強比較咬合力比較大牠是危險性的但是你說沒有危險性也不一定喔像很多我們民眾的投訴裡面就有很多流浪狗還是狗隻會追人用路的人被追騎腳踏車也被追小孩子回家也被咬\n這些情形都一再的在發生所以我們是不是應該統一要規範說不只說是危險性的一般的只要你事主都有負責管理的責任你沒有教育好 管理好\n就會發生這種問題嗎非常同意委員的意見我剛才說的在動保法裡面針對危險的選擇已經有規範了然後您剛才注重的就是除了危險選擇以外其他的選擇也有可能發生那當時在動保法的時候也有把它列進去後來在委員討論的時候被不是您啦\n被一些委員把他拿掉了不過我想這一次我們會重新考可是部長你忘了你在2023年4月的時候提這個修正的版本送到行政院的這有一個有四個的層面你們都有提進去一個就是世俗的這個責任\n還有就是對管理我們的動物的這個利用跟虐待的傷害還有一個就是對於寵物產業的管理跟我們檢察員的執法四個層面你都送到行政院那所以說我們要統一規範的話那行政院你們已經送進去了2023年4月送進去去年的這個8月份也呈報這行政院什麼時候\n你要送進來立法院我想那個行政院審議完了以後我們一定會第一時間送進去年到現在已經兩年了2023年到2024到2025年已經兩年了什麼時候每次問部長你這個事情的時候你都叫年底年底年底不了了是過了兩年了很抱歉因為行政院的審議的時候他有不同的法案在審理我們會那你有去了解嗎需要你解釋的需要修正的我們一定去解釋\n最重要就是說我們一定是行政院審議我會拜託行政院能夠優先來審議那有什麼時間什麼時間要送進來立法院我問了以後再跟委員回覆好不好我現在不敢隨便講比較重要的我跟委員報告比較重要的是在因為法院法案在審查之後還有一些時程在這個空窗期的時候兩年了對在這個空窗期的時候我們可不可以用一些指引的方式去對地方政府去做傳達\n是 所以在這邊我要跟部長再三的強調就是說這個部分不要讓各地各地方政府自己去決定地方自治去決定我們應該統一在中央有一個一套的這個規範出來這樣子的話民眾在飼養他的動物的時候他可以用教育他或者訓練他或者加強管理如果說管理不當的情形之下我們要再加強嚴懲而且\n我們的統一的規範也希望你們早日公布 讓我們動保法可以去執行\n了解 我們努力接下來我們要請問的就是因為美國在4月份提出這個對等關稅的部分在對等關稅的話也把我們國家列到骯髒15國裡面也就是整個經濟貿易的這個有逆差順差這個情形的發生的話那我們特別提到的就是我們農漁業這個部分農業我們台灣的進口\n是比出口的多所以在黃小玉的出口是原物料那台灣像美國出口的加工農產品的話在2024年來講的話台灣對美國農業貿易的利差將近了29億的美元所以美國會不會對我們的對等關稅裡面加強我們的關稅\n我想根據川普的對外的釋出的訊息他的對等關稅的完整的措施是在4月2號他會公布那這個期間其實我們政府在OTN的協助之下我們也做了相關的盤點對農業來講一個比較好的地方是對美國農產貿易我們對他們來講是順差是順差然後接下來就是說這些關稅本身它是一次性的還是個別性的去談\n所以部長都要去了解我們持續的去了解去關心但是目前我想我們還是積極的在輔導我們的產業升級跟轉型最重要一點就是任何的後續的調整一定要去維持我們產業的競爭力本席會在這邊提醒部長的話就是我們擔心的是美國為了說這個農產品這個關稅來做誘因邀請我國放寬對於美國的豬肉跟牛肉含有萊克多巴胺的成分的標準\n像調整這個下降這個標準甚至於讓那個美牛這個高風險的部位的強制來扣關影響國人的健康這一點請農業部一定要堅守好不好我想我們以農業部來講我們會積極的輔導我們國內的豬肉的一個供應而且台灣的習性相信百分之九十百分之八十八到百分之九十左右都是用國產肉的部分\n這個部分我想我們會持續來...不要因為我們農漁業的關稅給我們一些減免的或者是免身關稅的誘因你就犧牲國人的健康這個是很重要的請部長可以堅守謝謝李委員 謝謝陳部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.995 --> 00:10.556\n謝謝主席請陳部長好請陳部長委員長部長這個月在台北發生了比特犬有二度咬人的事件那市主也有受到管理不當的部分開罰了20萬元但是我們看到我們2022年的3月1號比特犬就列為禁止飼養了\n\n00:35.447 --> 00:48.872\n禁止飼養的所以我們希望他們可以用整個管理上來做登記跟決議的部分而且被查的這個比特犬現在目前雖然禁養但是現在還有3974隻那但是\n\n00:53.133 --> 01:09.798\n這三千多隻的話你有沒有去落實去管理那就很重要所以還看到會發生了這個比特權咬人事件甚至還有被咬死孩童的這個案例喔那我請問部長這個是不是你們要再加嚴管理加嚴來懲罰\n\n01:13.279 --> 01:32.810\n這個事件凸顯了寵物的分級分類管理的重要這第一個第二個部分就是針對有公共安全危險的這些寵物事實上我們會陸續的去公告那以比特權來講就像您說的將近4000隻本身是列管的而且我們已經有很明確的規範\n\n01:34.071 --> 01:52.064\n當你一旦被列管的時候這些寵物如果要帶出門的時候第一個你的牽引繩的程序你要戴口罩而且要有成年人因為有時候力量太大一定要有成年人陪伴有這些規範之下你如果違反的時候所以這要加強管理嘛怎麼樣去教育跟訓練我覺得我們現在很多寵物我們\n\n01:57.128 --> 02:13.512\n在動保室裡面我們有一個專案一直要去強調事主的責任因為事主的責任如果落實的時候我相信後面很多包括這種動物的咬人的事情或者是流浪犬的問題那個問題就可以簡化對就在動保法裡面我們就要加強規範像他出入公眾場所他這個牽繩這牽繩距離1.5公尺\n\n02:19.773 --> 02:36.009\n你要有牽繩甚至他出去外面如果這狗狗他未來他是很兇猛的話你看到很多的話還有嘴巴會加個套子對不對以防他會去咬人嘛這些都必須要有加強規範那所以我們也希望說我們在\n\n02:37.671 --> 02:58.973\n部長你這邊很多的條例我們就要在我們中央統一來規範你不能丟給地方政府用地方自治法去做這樣子的話有些地方還是沒有規範到那我們桃園對於這個牽繩的部分我們桃園是統一規定你只要帶到戶外公眾場所都要有牽繩那其他地方還是沒有那部長\n\n02:59.654 --> 03:24.643\n要不要統一來規範我跟委員報告剛才我講的就是說他出入公共場所裡面的基本規範都已經在動保法裡面有規範了全國都要對都要而且是地方政府的落實度你說的動保法有事現在你們規範還沒有實施只是你們送進去行政院而已嗎沒有沒有這個動保法有規有危險的犬隻已經在動保法裡面有規定了\n\n03:25.283 --> 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