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--> 00:01:46,669\n你知道我的意思嗎所以等於是你要另外的付費或是如果你沒標示你要往過一樣的東西你要往過這個東西可能在台灣島在台灣島他可能會送到金門他就不送\n\n7\n00:01:47,967 --> 00:02:13,451\n你們知道這件事情嗎所以上市櫃公司一直要強調企業社會責任這種是一種歧視離島的行為我們金門的民眾都覺得我們是次等公民嘛消保署也曾經行政消保也曾經做過了做出了要求嘛那這些上市櫃公司並沒有不但沒有盡這個社會企業社會責任也沒有遵循這個消保署這個規定所以金門會是不是應該來糾正一下這些上市櫃公司\n\n8\n00:02:15,217 --> 00:02:33,978\n我們要糾正一些事情要與法有聚但是就是說如果在我們法規上沒有這樣的要求之前我們大概只能用比較是道德勸說的方式去提醒有人關注這個議題但是假設說這是一個大家都認為是一個我們要善盡社會哲學比我們還有其他軟性的措施\n\n9\n00:02:34,659 --> 00:02:36,000\n我們有差異化啦因為是不是歧視性我就要稍微\n\n10\n00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:22,255\n你們去調查了解一下好不好這些上市上櫃公司哪一些公司剛剛我聽到羅明財文台說這是上市櫃公司還養球隊這也是經典社會責任ESG嘛他們都要花錢在養著對於我們離島這樣居民要買一點東西小東西都不願意配送或者是做歧視性的待遇離島居民不會覺得這是\n\n11\n00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:49,182\n很受歧視嗎因為它有時候是成本上的考量您看一下吧您查一下請整個上市公司有關電商平台幫我們清查一下具體提供資料給我還有改善措施再來再講到歧視你們這次不是要做保單強制執行的部分嗎我看前一陣子還開了一個公聽會修正特定金額你的特定金額是這樣子你看一下台北市7萬\n\n12\n00:03:51,703 --> 00:04:08,250\n就說你的草案是要把人欠債欠稅罰款的時候這個有效金額依照一些規定最低生活費1.2倍不得作為扣押案強制執行那在台北市就7萬3在我們福建省金門縣或是連江縣也是福建省是5萬1千\n\n13\n00:04:10,034 --> 00:04:29,523\n五一六二七五萬一千六百二十七那以一個例子來說如果三十五歲的男性買這個保險選擇繳六年期保了十萬塊來講舉一個例子要不然如果戶籍在金門或馬祖持有保單第十三年十二年底結業生就會觸及扣押弧限但是在其他地區台南南投嘉義屏東都不會被扣押\n\n14\n00:04:32,468 --> 00:04:51,997\n這一種措施對我們金馬的民眾來講公平嗎這跟委員千萬不要誤會因為我們這個規定沒有誤會啊你們就是這樣做啊就是我們是強制執行就是用這樣做法其實剛才早上的時候也有委員提到就是說為了降低社會成本有沒有可能考量單一比例台北市的標準是不是一次性的標準嘛\n\n15\n00:04:53,397 --> 00:05:13,838\n這個可以討論我們要一致性的標準嘛就是凡是能夠降低社會成本然後這部分我們都可以來考慮你生活在台澎金馬哪個地區嘛你本來就應該採取一致性的標準啊這邊特別誠心我們絕對沒有要請所以你看我說中共還沒有答應你們就開始一國兩制喔這真的沒有真的沒有一國多制喔請委員不要誤會這個部分因為\n\n16\n00:05:15,419 --> 00:05:32,484\n我們這是強制執行法規定這是因為強制執行而來我們只是用它的標準所以我要求在你們這個現在在修法嘛提出版本以後可以可以就是把它修正成一次性的標準你們執行起來也方便嘛說實在誰戶籍在哪裡在哪裡很難也很你們去執行的時候也非常不方便啦\n\n17\n00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:48,565\n我們也剛剛也回應過就是說我們以降低社會成本的角度來看的話我們會來考慮這個問題對一致性的標準其實你執行起來特別方便嘛對絕對沒有要歧視對啊這個債務人到底戶口在哪裡你也還要再去查你還要增加這個執行的負擔啊對不對\n\n18\n00:05:50,027 --> 00:06:15,372\n達成我們的目的我剛才講三個原則很重要一個降低社會成本一個確保保險這個部分第一個這兩件事情都是歧視我們金門民眾這個請你特別注意然後我們來問一個全國性的議題就是綠紙這個問題我記得你們報告裡有講這個綠紙我們第一回就提出來而且是你們的優先法案嘛對不對就是開放綠紙採基金架構發行對不對這個在你的報告裡頭也有講嘛對不對那這個法案進度應該是已經我們出委員會了嘛對不對\n\n19\n00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:36,966\n就是我們委員會討論過了已經過了嘛對不對那從第一會期就已經那時候就已經現在已經第三會之前就送出了為什麼現在都還沒有這個三讀啊就是要尊重大院的整個審查程序那你們既然要推這件事情你就要去了解為什麼為什麼立法院沒有往前再推啊什麼原因你知道嗎\n\n20\n00:06:38,908 --> 00:06:51,122\n你們不關心嗎我們所有的法案送出我們方案來我們已經輸委員會了你知道嗎我們在這邊討論都輸委員會了我知道我們都有公司都出席那請問現在為什麼沒有完成三讀是誰的問題\n\n21\n00:06:54,986 --> 00:07:10,658\n沒有我想說可能各自我們在整個未來協商的過程當中不是誰的問題你沒有去了解嗎這是你的優先法案就是你們重視的在你報告裡頭還寫說要趕快去做這件事情啊你為什麼沒有了解是什麼原因我們當然會去了解但是就是有沒有去了解\n\n22\n00:07:11,118 --> 00:07:23,354\n不是這是因為大院的職權我們當然是你有沒有覺得你剛剛說是哪個黨在黨哪個黨在阻擋這個法院這個法律的三讀這是你們的優先法案嘛沒錯吧現在你這一次的會議你又提出來誰在阻擋是哪個黨團在阻擋你公開說一下\n\n23\n00:07:26,218 --> 00:07:48,879\n沒有其實我們行政黨委我們都尊重大院的審查程序對但是哪個黨團在主黨我們要去溝通啊是民進黨嗎還是國民黨還是民眾黨啊有三個黨在這裡啊只有三個黨團啊你知道嗎我覺得就麻煩這個委員能夠你不知道是不是那要不要我告訴你你好好的去溝通一下是民進黨柯總召在主黨我跟你講沒有就是民進黨柯總召在主黨你們同樣是執政黨啊\n\n24\n00:07:50,226 --> 00:08:18,054\n執政黨的黨團在阻擋你執政黨的這個要執政黨的行政計劃要推動這個優先法案這個法案是很正面的嘛他在阻擋啊那這種優先法案被阻擋的情況下我再講一下執政黨在阻擋執政黨要推的優先法案執政黨的立法院黨團我應該沒有說錯吧我想很多法案不是說在這個已經開過了財政委員都開過了我現在公開講也是負責的柯總召在阻擋\n\n25\n00:08:19,054 --> 00:08:37,554\n當然就是因為本來還沒有通過立法之前就是應該要多方的溝通那你有沒有去溝通我們尊重大院的整個審核程序我們會配合你們的審核程序那你要去溝通啊執政黨要去跟執政黨溝通啊那我給你建議一個好的溝通方式好不好最近那個行政院不是有在辦那個下鄉宣講這個活動嗎\n\n26\n00:08:39,256 --> 00:08:55,331\n對不對說這個什麼立法院這個什麼民眾黨啊這個什麼國民黨刪了多少預算要做黨的多少東西黨的這個東西黨的那個東西你是不是也去報名一下去參加啊下鄉一下去告訴這個全國的百姓執政黨的立委總召啊在立法院\n\n27\n00:08:56,211 --> 00:09:18,561\n阻擋執政黨所提出行政部門所提出的優先法案而且這個法案是扶國立民的法案是配合這個法律修正開放不重產信託投資信託的方式採基金架構發行這是要讓我們的資金民間可以進入公共建設嘛很正面啊你是不是應該去報名一下不然這個全民都不知道啊你受的委屈沒有人知道啊\n\n28\n00:09:20,022 --> 00:09:39,918\n我們所有的法案我們都會持續的溝通啦這是我們的立場行政機關尊重立法機關的那個審查權利我們會以後有什麼院裡面有什麼程序我們盡量來配合對我知道那你推不動啊我就叫你請你下鄉去宣講吧用人民的力量更大的民主來推動這個法案接下來還有很多優先法案也\n\n29\n00:09:40,899 --> 00:09:57,863\n也麻煩這個委員能夠我們以上都很支持福國立運法案我們看國民黨也沒有在阻擋的今天談的是立法院的民進黨的黨團柯總召昨天拿棍子沒有殺人的將近幾乎要殺人的那個柯總召我想你回去溝通一下吧所以我們會該溝通該協調我們都會盡量去溝通好謝謝\n\n30\n00:10:05,534 --> 00:10:18,555\n好謝謝陳委員的這個諮詢下面我們請王世堅委員諮詢那麼向委員報告現在可以發便當如果各位需要可以自行取用\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t5909\t企業社會責任尤其是上市櫃的這個公司我想任何取之於社會用之於社會的概念我們都支持\n6585\t31257\t想請教上市櫃公司裡面有哪一些電商平台我們金門離島還有其他離島一直都是次等公民網購現在是一個很普遍的情形但是金門人網購都會常常被告知不送離島\n33517\t48150\t不送離島臺灣寄郵局隔天可以到超商業現在有電刀店那現在電商平台常常還是有不送離島的情形我們來看一下相關的法律規定行政院消保處已經曾經研商過有一個共識這個共識就是說這個因為有關這個網路企業對偏遠地區消費者\n53055\t74172\t商品運送服務裡頭的這些事宜應該要怎麼做呢第一個就是網路或電視購物這些比如說可以透過中華郵政啊載機便啊這類的業者業者不應拒絕運送第二個運費負擔的資訊揭露裡頭網購商品堂有運費負擔要把它說清楚是多少錢如果是全台免運費者\n75513\t92772\t不管宜蘭花樓或離島地區都不應該加收運費這個是行政銷保處曾經因為有這樣的消費糾紛有過這樣的共識我們舉這個您剛說的MOMO為例子它是變成是要標示有離島運費才可以配送到離島地區\n94494\t106669\t你知道我的意思嗎所以等於是你要另外的付費或是如果你沒標示你要往過一樣的東西你要往過這個東西可能在台灣島在台灣島他可能會送到金門他就不送\n107967\t133451\t你們知道這件事情嗎所以上市櫃公司一直要強調企業社會責任這種是一種歧視離島的行為我們金門的民眾都覺得我們是次等公民嘛消保署也曾經行政消保也曾經做過了做出了要求嘛那這些上市櫃公司並沒有不但沒有盡這個社會企業社會責任也沒有遵循這個消保署這個規定所以金門會是不是應該來糾正一下這些上市櫃公司\n135217\t153978\t我們要糾正一些事情要與法有聚但是就是說如果在我們法規上沒有這樣的要求之前我們大概只能用比較是道德勸說的方式去提醒有人關注這個議題但是假設說這是一個大家都認為是一個我們要善盡社會哲學比我們還有其他軟性的措施\n154659\t156000\t我們有差異化啦因為是不是歧視性我就要稍微\n179719\t202255\t你們去調查了解一下好不好這些上市上櫃公司哪一些公司剛剛我聽到羅明財文台說這是上市櫃公司還養球隊這也是經典社會責任ESG嘛他們都要花錢在養著對於我們離島這樣居民要買一點東西小東西都不願意配送或者是做歧視性的待遇離島居民不會覺得這是\n203464\t229182\t很受歧視嗎因為它有時候是成本上的考量您看一下吧您查一下請整個上市公司有關電商平台幫我們清查一下具體提供資料給我還有改善措施再來再講到歧視你們這次不是要做保單強制執行的部分嗎我看前一陣子還開了一個公聽會修正特定金額你的特定金額是這樣子你看一下台北市7萬\n231703\t248250\t就說你的草案是要把人欠債欠稅罰款的時候這個有效金額依照一些規定最低生活費1.2倍不得作為扣押案強制執行那在台北市就7萬3在我們福建省金門縣或是連江縣也是福建省是5萬1千\n250034\t269523\t五一六二七五萬一千六百二十七那以一個例子來說如果三十五歲的男性買這個保險選擇繳六年期保了十萬塊來講舉一個例子要不然如果戶籍在金門或馬祖持有保單第十三年十二年底結業生就會觸及扣押弧限但是在其他地區台南 南投 嘉義屏東都不會被扣押\n272468\t291997\t這一種措施對我們金馬的民眾來講公平嗎這跟委員 千萬不要誤會因為我們這個規定沒有誤會啊 你們就是這樣做啊就是我們是強制執行就是用這樣做法其實剛才早上的時候也有委員提到就是說為了降低社會成本有沒有可能考量單一比例台北市的標準是不是一次性的標準嘛\n293397\t313838\t這個可以討論我們要一致性的標準嘛就是凡是能夠降低社會成本然後這部分我們都可以來考慮你生活在台澎金馬哪個地區嘛你本來就應該採取一致性的標準啊這邊特別誠心我們絕對沒有要請所以你看我說中共還沒有答應你們就開始一國兩制喔這真的沒有真的沒有一國多制喔請委員不要誤會這個部分因為\n315419\t332484\t我們這是強制執行法規定這是因為強制執行而來我們只是用它的標準所以我要求在你們這個現在在修法嘛提出版本以後可以可以就是把它修正成一次性的標準你們執行起來也方便嘛說實在誰戶籍在哪裡在哪裡很難也很你們去執行的時候也非常不方便啦\n333584\t348565\t我們也剛剛也回應過就是說我們以降低社會成本的角度來看的話我們會來考慮這個問題對 一致性的標準其實你執行起來特別方便嘛對 絕對沒有要歧視對啊 這個債務人到底戶口在哪裡你也還要再去查你還要增加這個執行的負擔啊對不對\n350027\t375372\t達成我們的目的 我剛才講三個原則很重要一個降低社會成本 一個確保保險這個部分 第一個這兩件事情都是歧視我們金門民眾這個請你特別注意然後我們來問一個全國性的議題就是綠紙這個問題我記得你們報告裡有講這個綠紙我們第一回就提出來而且是你們的優先法案嘛 對不對就是開放綠紙採基金架構發行 對不對這個在你的報告裡頭也有講嘛 對不對那這個法案進度應該是已經我們出委員會了嘛 對不對\n376960\t396966\t就是我們委員會討論過了已經過了嘛對不對那從第一會期就已經那時候就已經現在已經第三會之前就送出了為什麼現在都還沒有這個三讀啊就是要尊重大院的整個審查程序那你們既然要推這件事情你就要去了解為什麼為什麼立法院沒有往前再推啊什麼原因你知道嗎\n398908\t411122\t你們不關心嗎我們所有的法案送出我們方案來我們已經輸委員會了你知道嗎我們在這邊討論都輸委員會了我知道我們都有公司都出席那請問現在為什麼沒有完成三讀是誰的問題\n414986\t430658\t沒有我想說可能各自我們在整個未來協商的過程當中不是誰的問題你沒有去了解嗎這是你的優先法案就是你們重視的在你報告裡頭還寫說要趕快去做這件事情啊你為什麼沒有了解是什麼原因我們當然會去了解但是就是有沒有去了解\n431118\t443354\t不是 這是因為大院的職權我們當然是 你有沒有覺得 你剛剛說是哪個黨在黨哪個黨在阻擋這個法院 這個法律的三讀這是你們的優先法案嘛 沒錯吧現在你這一次的會議你又提出來 誰在阻擋是哪個黨團在阻擋 你公開說一下\n446218\t468879\t沒有 其實我們行政黨委我們都尊重大院的審查程序對 但是哪個黨團在主黨 我們要去溝通啊是民進黨嗎 還是國民黨 還是民眾黨啊有三個黨在這裡啊 只有三個黨團啊 你知道嗎我覺得就麻煩這個委員能夠你不知道是不是那要不要我告訴你 你好好的去溝通一下是民進黨柯總召在主黨我跟你講沒有就是民進黨柯總召在主黨 你們同樣是執政黨啊\n470226\t498054\t執政黨的黨團在阻擋你執政黨的這個要執政黨的行政計劃要推動這個優先法案這個法案是很正面的嘛他在阻擋啊那這種優先法案被阻擋的情況下我再講一下執政黨在阻擋執政黨要推的優先法案執政黨的立法院黨團我應該沒有說錯吧我想很多法案不是說在這個已經開過了財政委員都開過了我現在公開講也是負責的柯總召在阻擋\n499054\t517554\t當然就是因為本來還沒有通過立法之前就是應該要多方的溝通那你有沒有去溝通我們尊重大院的整個審核程序我們會配合你們的審核程序那你要去溝通啊執政黨要去跟執政黨溝通啊那我給你建議一個好的溝通方式好不好最近那個行政院不是有在辦那個下鄉宣講這個活動嗎\n519256\t535331\t對不對說這個什麼立法院這個什麼民眾黨啊這個什麼國民黨刪了多少預算要做黨的多少東西黨的這個東西黨的那個東西你是不是也去報名一下去參加啊下鄉一下去告訴這個全國的百姓執政黨的立委總召啊在立法院\n536211\t558561\t阻擋執政黨所提出 行政部門所提出的優先法案而且這個法案是扶國立民的法案是配合這個法律修正開放不重產信託投資信託的方式採基金架構發行這是要讓我們的資金民間可以進入公共建設嘛很正面啊你是不是應該去報名一下不然這個全民都不知道啊你受的委屈沒有人知道啊\n560022\t579918\t我們所有的法案我們都會持續的溝通啦這是我們的立場行政機關尊重立法機關的那個審查權利我們會以後有什麼院裡面有什麼程序我們盡量來配合對我知道那你推不動啊我就叫你請你下鄉去宣講吧用人民的力量更大的民主來推動這個法案接下來還有很多優先法案也\n580899\t597863\t也麻煩這個委員能夠我們以上都很支持福國立運法案我們看國民黨也沒有在阻擋的今天談的是立法院的民進黨的黨團柯總召昨天拿棍子沒有殺人的將近幾乎要殺人的那個柯總召我想你回去溝通一下吧所以我們會該溝通該協調我們都會盡量去溝通好 謝謝\n605534\t618555\t好 謝謝陳委員的這個諮詢下面我們請王世堅委員諮詢那麼向委員報告現在可以發便當如果各位需要可以自行取用\n","txt":"企業社會責任尤其是上市櫃的這個公司我想任何取之於社會用之於社會的概念我們都支持\n想請教上市櫃公司裡面有哪一些電商平台我們金門離島還有其他離島一直都是次等公民網購現在是一個很普遍的情形但是金門人網購都會常常被告知不送離島\n不送離島臺灣寄郵局隔天可以到超商業現在有電刀店那現在電商平台常常還是有不送離島的情形我們來看一下相關的法律規定行政院消保處已經曾經研商過有一個共識這個共識就是說這個因為有關這個網路企業對偏遠地區消費者\n商品運送服務裡頭的這些事宜應該要怎麼做呢第一個就是網路或電視購物這些比如說可以透過中華郵政啊載機便啊這類的業者業者不應拒絕運送第二個運費負擔的資訊揭露裡頭網購商品堂有運費負擔要把它說清楚是多少錢如果是全台免運費者\n不管宜蘭花樓或離島地區都不應該加收運費這個是行政銷保處曾經因為有這樣的消費糾紛有過這樣的共識我們舉這個您剛說的MOMO為例子它是變成是要標示有離島運費才可以配送到離島地區\n你知道我的意思嗎所以等於是你要另外的付費或是如果你沒標示你要往過一樣的東西你要往過這個東西可能在台灣島在台灣島他可能會送到金門他就不送\n你們知道這件事情嗎所以上市櫃公司一直要強調企業社會責任這種是一種歧視離島的行為我們金門的民眾都覺得我們是次等公民嘛消保署也曾經行政消保也曾經做過了做出了要求嘛那這些上市櫃公司並沒有不但沒有盡這個社會企業社會責任也沒有遵循這個消保署這個規定所以金門會是不是應該來糾正一下這些上市櫃公司\n我們要糾正一些事情要與法有聚但是就是說如果在我們法規上沒有這樣的要求之前我們大概只能用比較是道德勸說的方式去提醒有人關注這個議題但是假設說這是一個大家都認為是一個我們要善盡社會哲學比我們還有其他軟性的措施\n我們有差異化啦因為是不是歧視性我就要稍微\n你們去調查了解一下好不好這些上市上櫃公司哪一些公司剛剛我聽到羅明財文台說這是上市櫃公司還養球隊這也是經典社會責任ESG嘛他們都要花錢在養著對於我們離島這樣居民要買一點東西小東西都不願意配送或者是做歧視性的待遇離島居民不會覺得這是\n很受歧視嗎因為它有時候是成本上的考量您看一下吧您查一下請整個上市公司有關電商平台幫我們清查一下具體提供資料給我還有改善措施再來再講到歧視你們這次不是要做保單強制執行的部分嗎我看前一陣子還開了一個公聽會修正特定金額你的特定金額是這樣子你看一下台北市7萬\n就說你的草案是要把人欠債欠稅罰款的時候這個有效金額依照一些規定最低生活費1.2倍不得作為扣押案強制執行那在台北市就7萬3在我們福建省金門縣或是連江縣也是福建省是5萬1千\n五一六二七五萬一千六百二十七那以一個例子來說如果三十五歲的男性買這個保險選擇繳六年期保了十萬塊來講舉一個例子要不然如果戶籍在金門或馬祖持有保單第十三年十二年底結業生就會觸及扣押弧限但是在其他地區台南 南投 嘉義屏東都不會被扣押\n這一種措施對我們金馬的民眾來講公平嗎這跟委員 千萬不要誤會因為我們這個規定沒有誤會啊 你們就是這樣做啊就是我們是強制執行就是用這樣做法其實剛才早上的時候也有委員提到就是說為了降低社會成本有沒有可能考量單一比例台北市的標準是不是一次性的標準嘛\n這個可以討論我們要一致性的標準嘛就是凡是能夠降低社會成本然後這部分我們都可以來考慮你生活在台澎金馬哪個地區嘛你本來就應該採取一致性的標準啊這邊特別誠心我們絕對沒有要請所以你看我說中共還沒有答應你們就開始一國兩制喔這真的沒有真的沒有一國多制喔請委員不要誤會這個部分因為\n我們這是強制執行法規定這是因為強制執行而來我們只是用它的標準所以我要求在你們這個現在在修法嘛提出版本以後可以可以就是把它修正成一次性的標準你們執行起來也方便嘛說實在誰戶籍在哪裡在哪裡很難也很你們去執行的時候也非常不方便啦\n我們也剛剛也回應過就是說我們以降低社會成本的角度來看的話我們會來考慮這個問題對 一致性的標準其實你執行起來特別方便嘛對 絕對沒有要歧視對啊 這個債務人到底戶口在哪裡你也還要再去查你還要增加這個執行的負擔啊對不對\n達成我們的目的 我剛才講三個原則很重要一個降低社會成本 一個確保保險這個部分 第一個這兩件事情都是歧視我們金門民眾這個請你特別注意然後我們來問一個全國性的議題就是綠紙這個問題我記得你們報告裡有講這個綠紙我們第一回就提出來而且是你們的優先法案嘛 對不對就是開放綠紙採基金架構發行 對不對這個在你的報告裡頭也有講嘛 對不對那這個法案進度應該是已經我們出委員會了嘛 對不對\n就是我們委員會討論過了已經過了嘛對不對那從第一會期就已經那時候就已經現在已經第三會之前就送出了為什麼現在都還沒有這個三讀啊就是要尊重大院的整個審查程序那你們既然要推這件事情你就要去了解為什麼為什麼立法院沒有往前再推啊什麼原因你知道嗎\n你們不關心嗎我們所有的法案送出我們方案來我們已經輸委員會了你知道嗎我們在這邊討論都輸委員會了我知道我們都有公司都出席那請問現在為什麼沒有完成三讀是誰的問題\n沒有我想說可能各自我們在整個未來協商的過程當中不是誰的問題你沒有去了解嗎這是你的優先法案就是你們重視的在你報告裡頭還寫說要趕快去做這件事情啊你為什麼沒有了解是什麼原因我們當然會去了解但是就是有沒有去了解\n不是 這是因為大院的職權我們當然是 你有沒有覺得 你剛剛說是哪個黨在黨哪個黨在阻擋這個法院 這個法律的三讀這是你們的優先法案嘛 沒錯吧現在你這一次的會議你又提出來 誰在阻擋是哪個黨團在阻擋 你公開說一下\n沒有 其實我們行政黨委我們都尊重大院的審查程序對 但是哪個黨團在主黨 我們要去溝通啊是民進黨嗎 還是國民黨 還是民眾黨啊有三個黨在這裡啊 只有三個黨團啊 你知道嗎我覺得就麻煩這個委員能夠你不知道是不是那要不要我告訴你 你好好的去溝通一下是民進黨柯總召在主黨我跟你講沒有就是民進黨柯總召在主黨 你們同樣是執政黨啊\n執政黨的黨團在阻擋你執政黨的這個要執政黨的行政計劃要推動這個優先法案這個法案是很正面的嘛他在阻擋啊那這種優先法案被阻擋的情況下我再講一下執政黨在阻擋執政黨要推的優先法案執政黨的立法院黨團我應該沒有說錯吧我想很多法案不是說在這個已經開過了財政委員都開過了我現在公開講也是負責的柯總召在阻擋\n當然就是因為本來還沒有通過立法之前就是應該要多方的溝通那你有沒有去溝通我們尊重大院的整個審核程序我們會配合你們的審核程序那你要去溝通啊執政黨要去跟執政黨溝通啊那我給你建議一個好的溝通方式好不好最近那個行政院不是有在辦那個下鄉宣講這個活動嗎\n對不對說這個什麼立法院這個什麼民眾黨啊這個什麼國民黨刪了多少預算要做黨的多少東西黨的這個東西黨的那個東西你是不是也去報名一下去參加啊下鄉一下去告訴這個全國的百姓執政黨的立委總召啊在立法院\n阻擋執政黨所提出 行政部門所提出的優先法案而且這個法案是扶國立民的法案是配合這個法律修正開放不重產信託投資信託的方式採基金架構發行這是要讓我們的資金民間可以進入公共建設嘛很正面啊你是不是應該去報名一下不然這個全民都不知道啊你受的委屈沒有人知道啊\n我們所有的法案我們都會持續的溝通啦這是我們的立場行政機關尊重立法機關的那個審查權利我們會以後有什麼院裡面有什麼程序我們盡量來配合對我知道那你推不動啊我就叫你請你下鄉去宣講吧用人民的力量更大的民主來推動這個法案接下來還有很多優先法案也\n也麻煩這個委員能夠我們以上都很支持福國立運法案我們看國民黨也沒有在阻擋的今天談的是立法院的民進黨的黨團柯總召昨天拿棍子沒有殺人的將近幾乎要殺人的那個柯總召我想你回去溝通一下吧所以我們會該溝通該協調我們都會盡量去溝通好 謝謝\n好 謝謝陳委員的這個諮詢下面我們請王世堅委員諮詢那麼向委員報告現在可以發便當如果各位需要可以自行取用\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:05.909\n企業社會責任尤其是上市櫃的這個公司我想任何取之於社會用之於社會的概念我們都支持\n\n00:06.585 --> 00:31.257\n想請教上市櫃公司裡面有哪一些電商平台我們金門離島還有其他離島一直都是次等公民網購現在是一個很普遍的情形但是金門人網購都會常常被告知不送離島\n\n00:33.517 --> 00:48.150\n不送離島臺灣寄郵局隔天可以到超商業現在有電刀店那現在電商平台常常還是有不送離島的情形我們來看一下相關的法律規定行政院消保處已經曾經研商過有一個共識這個共識就是說這個因為有關這個網路企業對偏遠地區消費者\n\n00:53.055 --> 01:14.172\n商品運送服務裡頭的這些事宜應該要怎麼做呢第一個就是網路或電視購物這些比如說可以透過中華郵政啊載機便啊這類的業者業者不應拒絕運送第二個運費負擔的資訊揭露裡頭網購商品堂有運費負擔要把它說清楚是多少錢如果是全台免運費者\n\n01:15.513 --> 01:32.772\n不管宜蘭花樓或離島地區都不應該加收運費這個是行政銷保處曾經因為有這樣的消費糾紛有過這樣的共識我們舉這個您剛說的MOMO為例子它是變成是要標示有離島運費才可以配送到離島地區\n\n01:34.494 --> 01:46.669\n你知道我的意思嗎所以等於是你要另外的付費或是如果你沒標示你要往過一樣的東西你要往過這個東西可能在台灣島在台灣島他可能會送到金門他就不送\n\n01:47.967 --> 02:13.451\n你們知道這件事情嗎所以上市櫃公司一直要強調企業社會責任這種是一種歧視離島的行為我們金門的民眾都覺得我們是次等公民嘛消保署也曾經行政消保也曾經做過了做出了要求嘛那這些上市櫃公司並沒有不但沒有盡這個社會企業社會責任也沒有遵循這個消保署這個規定所以金門會是不是應該來糾正一下這些上市櫃公司\n\n02:15.217 --> 02:33.978\n我們要糾正一些事情要與法有聚但是就是說如果在我們法規上沒有這樣的要求之前我們大概只能用比較是道德勸說的方式去提醒有人關注這個議題但是假設說這是一個大家都認為是一個我們要善盡社會哲學比我們還有其他軟性的措施\n\n02:34.659 --> 02:36.000\n我們有差異化啦因為是不是歧視性我就要稍微\n\n02:59.719 --> 03:22.255\n你們去調查了解一下好不好這些上市上櫃公司哪一些公司剛剛我聽到羅明財文台說這是上市櫃公司還養球隊這也是經典社會責任ESG嘛他們都要花錢在養著對於我們離島這樣居民要買一點東西小東西都不願意配送或者是做歧視性的待遇離島居民不會覺得這是\n\n03:23.464 --> 03:49.182\n很受歧視嗎因為它有時候是成本上的考量您看一下吧您查一下請整個上市公司有關電商平台幫我們清查一下具體提供資料給我還有改善措施再來再講到歧視你們這次不是要做保單強制執行的部分嗎我看前一陣子還開了一個公聽會修正特定金額你的特定金額是這樣子你看一下台北市7萬\n\n03:51.703 --> 04:08.250\n就說你的草案是要把人欠債欠稅罰款的時候這個有效金額依照一些規定最低生活費1.2倍不得作為扣押案強制執行那在台北市就7萬3在我們福建省金門縣或是連江縣也是福建省是5萬1千\n\n04:10.034 --> 04:29.523\n五一六二七五萬一千六百二十七那以一個例子來說如果三十五歲的男性買這個保險選擇繳六年期保了十萬塊來講舉一個例子要不然如果戶籍在金門或馬祖持有保單第十三年十二年底結業生就會觸及扣押弧限但是在其他地區台南南投嘉義屏東都不會被扣押\n\n04:32.468 --> 04:51.997\n這一種措施對我們金馬的民眾來講公平嗎這跟委員千萬不要誤會因為我們這個規定沒有誤會啊你們就是這樣做啊就是我們是強制執行就是用這樣做法其實剛才早上的時候也有委員提到就是說為了降低社會成本有沒有可能考量單一比例台北市的標準是不是一次性的標準嘛\n\n04:53.397 --> 05:13.838\n這個可以討論我們要一致性的標準嘛就是凡是能夠降低社會成本然後這部分我們都可以來考慮你生活在台澎金馬哪個地區嘛你本來就應該採取一致性的標準啊這邊特別誠心我們絕對沒有要請所以你看我說中共還沒有答應你們就開始一國兩制喔這真的沒有真的沒有一國多制喔請委員不要誤會這個部分因為\n\n05:15.419 --> 05:32.484\n我們這是強制執行法規定這是因為強制執行而來我們只是用它的標準所以我要求在你們這個現在在修法嘛提出版本以後可以可以就是把它修正成一次性的標準你們執行起來也方便嘛說實在誰戶籍在哪裡在哪裡很難也很你們去執行的時候也非常不方便啦\n\n05:33.584 --> 05:48.565\n我們也剛剛也回應過就是說我們以降低社會成本的角度來看的話我們會來考慮這個問題對一致性的標準其實你執行起來特別方便嘛對絕對沒有要歧視對啊這個債務人到底戶口在哪裡你也還要再去查你還要增加這個執行的負擔啊對不對\n\n05:50.027 --> 06:15.372\n達成我們的目的我剛才講三個原則很重要一個降低社會成本一個確保保險這個部分第一個這兩件事情都是歧視我們金門民眾這個請你特別注意然後我們來問一個全國性的議題就是綠紙這個問題我記得你們報告裡有講這個綠紙我們第一回就提出來而且是你們的優先法案嘛對不對就是開放綠紙採基金架構發行對不對這個在你的報告裡頭也有講嘛對不對那這個法案進度應該是已經我們出委員會了嘛對不對\n\n06:16.960 --> 06:36.966\n就是我們委員會討論過了已經過了嘛對不對那從第一會期就已經那時候就已經現在已經第三會之前就送出了為什麼現在都還沒有這個三讀啊就是要尊重大院的整個審查程序那你們既然要推這件事情你就要去了解為什麼為什麼立法院沒有往前再推啊什麼原因你知道嗎\n\n06:38.908 --> 06:51.122\n你們不關心嗎我們所有的法案送出我們方案來我們已經輸委員會了你知道嗎我們在這邊討論都輸委員會了我知道我們都有公司都出席那請問現在為什麼沒有完成三讀是誰的問題\n\n06:54.986 --> 07:10.658\n沒有我想說可能各自我們在整個未來協商的過程當中不是誰的問題你沒有去了解嗎這是你的優先法案就是你們重視的在你報告裡頭還寫說要趕快去做這件事情啊你為什麼沒有了解是什麼原因我們當然會去了解但是就是有沒有去了解\n\n07:11.118 --> 07:23.354\n不是這是因為大院的職權我們當然是你有沒有覺得你剛剛說是哪個黨在黨哪個黨在阻擋這個法院這個法律的三讀這是你們的優先法案嘛沒錯吧現在你這一次的會議你又提出來誰在阻擋是哪個黨團在阻擋你公開說一下\n\n07:26.218 --> 07:48.879\n沒有其實我們行政黨委我們都尊重大院的審查程序對但是哪個黨團在主黨我們要去溝通啊是民進黨嗎還是國民黨還是民眾黨啊有三個黨在這裡啊只有三個黨團啊你知道嗎我覺得就麻煩這個委員能夠你不知道是不是那要不要我告訴你你好好的去溝通一下是民進黨柯總召在主黨我跟你講沒有就是民進黨柯總召在主黨你們同樣是執政黨啊\n\n07:50.226 --> 08:18.054\n執政黨的黨團在阻擋你執政黨的這個要執政黨的行政計劃要推動這個優先法案這個法案是很正面的嘛他在阻擋啊那這種優先法案被阻擋的情況下我再講一下執政黨在阻擋執政黨要推的優先法案執政黨的立法院黨團我應該沒有說錯吧我想很多法案不是說在這個已經開過了財政委員都開過了我現在公開講也是負責的柯總召在阻擋\n\n08:19.054 --> 08:37.554\n當然就是因為本來還沒有通過立法之前就是應該要多方的溝通那你有沒有去溝通我們尊重大院的整個審核程序我們會配合你們的審核程序那你要去溝通啊執政黨要去跟執政黨溝通啊那我給你建議一個好的溝通方式好不好最近那個行政院不是有在辦那個下鄉宣講這個活動嗎\n\n08:39.256 --> 08:55.331\n對不對說這個什麼立法院這個什麼民眾黨啊這個什麼國民黨刪了多少預算要做黨的多少東西黨的這個東西黨的那個東西你是不是也去報名一下去參加啊下鄉一下去告訴這個全國的百姓執政黨的立委總召啊在立法院\n\n08:56.211 --> 09:18.561\n阻擋執政黨所提出行政部門所提出的優先法案而且這個法案是扶國立民的法案是配合這個法律修正開放不重產信託投資信託的方式採基金架構發行這是要讓我們的資金民間可以進入公共建設嘛很正面啊你是不是應該去報名一下不然這個全民都不知道啊你受的委屈沒有人知道啊\n\n09:20.022 --> 09:39.918\n我們所有的法案我們都會持續的溝通啦這是我們的立場行政機關尊重立法機關的那個審查權利我們會以後有什麼院裡面有什麼程序我們盡量來配合對我知道那你推不動啊我就叫你請你下鄉去宣講吧用人民的力量更大的民主來推動這個法案接下來還有很多優先法案也\n\n09:40.899 --> 09:57.863\n也麻煩這個委員能夠我們以上都很支持福國立運法案我們看國民黨也沒有在阻擋的今天談的是立法院的民進黨的黨團柯總召昨天拿棍子沒有殺人的將近幾乎要殺人的那個柯總召我想你回去溝通一下吧所以我們會該溝通該協調我們都會盡量去溝通好謝謝\n\n10:05.534 --> 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